Thread 714963749

Which one is better for gaming?

>>714963749 (OP)
AMD looks like it's for gaming
Intel looks like your mom's PC

>>714963749 (OP)
Which one is better for video editing ?

>>714963749 (OP)
AMD is king now.
Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs keep melting. They're also wildly overpriced and very power-hungry.
Get a 9800X3D and you're sorted. Or a 9950X3D if you have unlimited money.

use google
best = amd
budget = intel

>>714963895
>Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs keep melting.
isnt it only i9s? ive had a 14700k since launch with zero issues

>>714963950
he asked which one is better for gaming, not Geoman. whatever the fuck that is . Learn to read .

Intel
They do the same for regular games but for emulators, Intel is king.

AMD 9800X3 BTFO out of Intel

AMD for their boss SoC platforms
Intel if you are using a dGPU

I don't know and I don't really care, i've always used intel and will continue doing so.

>>714963895
As a 9950x3D owner, no don't even bother with this thing. Just get a 9800x3D and be happy. Even if you use it "right" with their dog shit driver and MS game bar scheme, it still fails for certain games and the only way to get proper optimal performance is to go into the BIOS and bit mask out the entire 2nd CCD so Windows only sees the 3D cache cores. It's a pain in the ass.

With the 7950x3D, it was worth buying that chip over the 7800x3D because there was a huge clock speed discrepancy between the cache and frequency cores. Not so much with the 9950x3D. It's like 100Mhz difference now while gaming. That's a joke, pretty much unnoticeable. It used to be 500Mhz which is about 10% better performance, so you could at least semi justify the cost for the dual CCD chip because not all games benefit from extra cache so more frequency helped.

the one that comes in the impossible to open hellraiser puzzle is the best cpu i've ever used.

>>714964308
You should use 14th gen, you'll change your mind.

>>714964234
>i've always eaten shit and will continue doing so.
Good for you, I guess.

>>714963749 (OP)
AMD was better ever since Ryzen 2000 series. Intel just can't keep up for some reason despite being 10x richer and 4x bigger.

>>714963950
Nah, AMD is even better in budget builds because it's integrated graphics are less buggy and more performant.

>>714964264
Fair, I nearly went all-out and bought one but I settled for the 9800X3D instead and it's been magical, especially coming from an i7-4790 which was 11 years old at the point I upgraded.

>>714963825
If a game doesn't run on mom's PC, it's not worth playing.

>>714965190
You made the right choice. Only objective reason to consider a 9950x3D is if you need the extra cores for productivity tasks and surprise I'm an idiot and don't so I wasted money.

>>714963749 (OP)
7800X3D and 9800X3D are objectively the best CPUs if you exclusively care about gaming. This is a fact.

But Intel beats them in productivity, so it depends on what you want out of a CPU.

>>714965429
>But Intel beats them in productivity
the fuck does this even mean

>>714965723
I think anon is trying to say that for video editing, 3D modelling, etc, the Intel CPUs perform better.

>>714965723
>the fuck does this even mean
It means exactly what I wrote. If you do any kind of productivity, such as video editing, photo editing, compiling, rendering, etc. on a daily basis then you'd probably want an Intel instead, even if they are worse in vidya, since they are better than AMD's gaming-focused CPUs when it comes to productivity.

>>714963895
I thought about getting a 14600kf because it was 200 dollars on Amazon. Is it really that bad? I was going to pair it with a 9070xt.

>>714965912
that's not even true
ultra housefires are within the margin of error from 9950x3d which is the best of both worlds

>>714966228
>that's not even true
It is though. Look at benchmarks. Intel CPUs are faster when it comes to productivity workloads.

t. 7800X3D owner

>>714966228
>ultra housefire
yeah, that's what you'll get when your Intel chip explodes due to an unintended voltage spike

>>714965819
>>714965912
>video, photo, rendering
All of these tasks are done on the GPU, where AMD is vastly superior to Intel. Even if you're just doing CPU-bound computation (pic related), the best consumer-grade AMD CPUs are either within 1% of the best consumer-grade Intel CPUs or outperform them.
>compiling
The top 5-10 fastest CPUs for compiling most projects are all AMD, either EPYC or Threadripper. Intel isn't even close.

So you're objectively wrong.

https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-linux-kernel
https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-ffmpeg
https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-godot

>>714966481
I never said the anon was right in this [>>714965819] reply, though. Just interpreting what he was meaning.

>>714966481
Are you a moron? We were talking about AMD's gaming-focused CPUs.

>>714966682
>Are you a moron?
Are you? You can clearly see that the gaming focused AMD CPUs (X3D ones) are performing better in almost all "productivity" tasks.

for cpu's they're both useful. just get whatever provides best value. for gpu's both suck, go nvidia or go home.

>>714967979
>nvidia doesn't suck
lel

>>714964234
Based

>>714968356
Show me your AMD GPU that's better than the 5090 (or even the 4090, which is almost 3 years old). Surely the GPU released this year should rape its face.

>>714968356
not as much as amd and intel. intel barely works in games because they're still new to the market. amd is not much better and don't offer the same features and dev support that nvidia does.

>>714966481
According to Puget bench Intel is better in video editing

>>714968520
I think Intel is going to fade into obscurity again like they did after the i740, only making barebones iGPUs.

>>714968597
i don't think so. i think they'll end up being more relevant than amd, because even their shit first gen gpu a750 performs better than a 7700xt in blender. intel does better in productivity applications. amd has always sucked.

>>714968519
>5090
>4090
Do you really think I'm retarded enough to spend that much money on a GPU?

>>714969020
But AMD is better. Show it being better.
>it's better than budget stuff!
Ah, so McDonald's is better than food from the grocery store because it's better than Great Value mac & cheese.
>food analogy
I'm American. We can afford food.

>>714969085
Is that why everyday I see some burger complaining about grocery prices on my feed?

>>714969826
They're usually either lying or in California (which makes them lying commies by default). Some weirdo was saying Mt. Dew was prohibitively expensive, and I posted 1.25L bottles for $1 on Walmart. Then others were piping up saying it was $5 near them. There's also "EGGS ARE $500 for 3!" weirdos.

>>714963950
>you need to go back to the oxidating junk for intel's midrange to have actual value over amd's current flagship
jesus

>>714963749 (OP)
AMD for anything more modern than i5-3570k

>>714970431
>$2.72
Jesus fuck, why are eggs so expensive in America?

>>714963950
14th gen Intel CPUs still have the architecture oxydation flaw, avoid buying them and buy AMD or skip the gen

>>714970972
>oxidization
You dumb fucks don't even understand what causes the degradation, and you keep spouting that shit. The oxidization was a separate (and incredibly miniscule in terms of units affected) issue. The degradation is a result of voltage parameters. But you're stupid. You avoid a layup to dunk in your own basket and show how dumb AMDreidel shills are.

>>714963982
I had a 14700K and performance went to shit after only a few months, you got lucky.

>>714971330
>performance went to shit after only a few months
elaborate

>>714963749 (OP)
Don't buy the latest Intel chips, they have an architecture design flaw that oxidates the CPU via overvoltage, they recently patched it to undervolt but the performance got lowered as result (those who don't/didn't patch the CPU get a rusty scrap within less than a year). IMO go AMD instead while Intel doesn't solve the problem hardware-wise.

>>714963749 (OP)
I don't play at 1080p
I don't buy AMD
I get good fps and don't have any issues with i9 CPUs
Others will say different, but they never post benches from their own computers.

>>714971523
See >>714971259. The oxidization is unrelated to the voltage, shill.

>>714971415
not that anon, but his CPU is most likely one from 14th gen series, and those were released with a flaw that rusts the CPU chip via overvoltage. In response, Intel, instead of giving refunds for defective hardware, released a patch to undervolt the 14th gen CPUs and lowered clocks to match the voltage which, as result, halved its performance.

>>714971523
Nothing was patched to "undervolt", the problem was that there was no default power-limit on mobo BIOS which caused the cpu to pull 400+ watts

>>714971851
i know. im the one who said i have a 14700k that works fine. im curious what specifically he means by the performance degrading. lower clock speeds, crashes/instability etc ?

>>714971851
>halved its performance.
didn't halve the performance at all. why lie over stupid shit which can be proven false with a quick search?

>>714972003
there's an influx of fanboys who keep trying to say shit about the other side that doesn't correspond to reality, they typically have brown skin and less than 80 IQ

>>714971851
what actually happened is that motherboard manufacturers were using their own overclock settings as the default setting rather than Intel advised settings.
Now motherboards use Intel settings as the default rather than the OC settings from the board manufacturer

>>714971619
Voltage, Amperes and Watts are the base, if on change, the others follow. And any of them cause electrolosis on materials. Software wise, out of the three, you can only adjust the voltage, which the other two change accordingly. The problem on Intel CPUs was that the architecture has a flaw were even regular power output can cause electrosis (which corrodes metals), being voltage its main lever.

>>714965723
It means he's a retard who never realized that amd beat intel with the threadripper series so hard Intel shut down its entire HEDT line.

>>714972371
can cause under certain values*

>>714972376
x series CPUs aren't in competition with threadripper. That would be Xeon, which still exist.

>>714965275
yes but fags here will call you poor for making wise financial decisions.

>>714972845
people get called poor because they act jealous of anything out of their price range.

>>714963749 (OP)
AMD has the better products but Intel had the better jingle
https://youtu.be/y58UzGTxZ80

>>714971875
>>714972237
according to google search and youtube tech channels, Intel's chips are the root cause, with Intel not only refusing refunds on release (which I didn't know) but also shifting the blame to motherboard manufacturers

>>714971974
>>714971974
>im curious what specifically he means by the performance degrading
"Impact:
While the issue was resolved, processors already affected may still experience instability, and the fix does not reverse any existing damage."
Welp, since it's a manufacturing issue that physically degrades faster than prior generation Intel chips, it is a sort of an impending doom and, even, if it's fixed, the chip is already damaged, considered the fact that it already came damaged from the manufacturer.

>>714973054
No, people get called poor when they point out poor optimization in modern pc games.

>>714973054
>you need a high end GPU to run a game that looks like shit? Seems like the devs didn't care to optimize, which probably means they didn't care to make a good game either
>"LMAO poorfag jelly!"
You can spend your money however you want, just don't complain when others do it more wisely than you.

>wipes the floor with intel cpus twice cost and multiple generations newer
Nothin personnel, Lip-Bu Tan.

>>714971619
>>714971875
Are you sure about that?

>>714963749 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkM5kcExtMM

>>714974774
Meanwhile, in the real world:

>>714963749 (OP)

Intel is dead and has been for some time.

>>714975348
that's laptops

I used to be an AMjeet back in the days of Athlon and Phenom but going from the failure that was the Phenom to the groundbreaking i7 architecture back in 2010 was absolutely mind blowing. Haven't touched AMD since. I'm sure they are way better now, but I haven't upgraded my CPU in 9 years at this point so I don't really care

>>714973557
don't forget that Intel also shifted the blame to game engines and Epic Games answerd back that UE5 accused their CPU for the crashes

>>714975348
>showing ALL Intel CPUs combined, including the jeets running their Celeron 20yo office PCs
>rather than the CPU or CPU gen in question

>>714976356
>if I throw out any scenario where i'm wrong, i'm always right!

>>714975348
>zero context with Intel's current issue
You have to be 18+ to browse this website.

>>714976580
Why are you talking about your own post?

>>714974225
>wisely
You buy something which you can't afford. I buy something I can afford. I'm buying wiser. You're not.

>>714974249
What's your Cinebench score?

>>714977034
I'm not familiar with that game. I had a look on steam and GOG but couldn't find it - could you elaborate more? Is it a windows store or epic store exclusive by chance?

>>714963749 (OP)
This is what ya do right?
Look at benchmarks and get the best one that gen you can/want to afford.
No need for brand loyalty.

>>714977160
Do you game at 1080p?

>>714965275
Truth nvke

no reason to get Intel in 2020s

>>714977180
benchmarks tell only part of the story
intel had a batch of bad processors due to a manufacturing error recently, those chips died by themselves over time.
Sometimes shit like this happens and the thing that looks better on paper doesn't perform accordingly

>>714963749 (OP)
Historically Intel was the same as Nvidia - slightly more expensive option that provided the better overall experiences and more features with less headaches, even if it's more jewish. However for the last 5 years or so AMD CPUs have objectively been better, because Intel completely shat the bad. Intel CPUs are now monsters that pull 250+ watts, have a shit ton of issues and hardware faults and vulnerabilities on more expensive motherboards that become a dead end after one generation, just to offer worse performance than AMD does at only half the wattage on cheaper motherboards that can last you many years. Get a solid AMD X3D CPU and you're golden for the next few years.

>>714976760
ignore him, he's probably an underage shill,
you can easily detect them by their incoherent arguments or their resort to ad hominem combined with the former or their "HAHAHA"s which is often used by thrid world kids

>>714970830
I bought those exact same eggs yesterday for 5.37. Why are they expensive? Same reason as everyone else. You have no choice but to pay

CPUs don't matter for shit in gaming. You're not running a 5090 on a 1080p monitor.

>>714977509
my 5700X3D couldn't run STALKER 2 at 60 fps in the final parts

>>714977509
>bottlenecking isn't a thing
lemao

>>714977509
CPUs definitely matter if you want smooth gameplay. A 7800x3d will give you massively higher 1% lows and higher FPS ceiling with than a 3600, and won't completely shit the bed if you turn on RT (which is CPU intensive)

>>714977570
show us your PC being bottlenecked.

>>714977617
I can't because I know how to properly build my shit

>>714977704
>I can't
I know you can't. Nobody is running a 5090 at 1080p to see CPU bottlenecking.

>>714977509
OLEDs start at 240hz

>>714977778
Who asked?

>>714965275
My mom has a mac.

>>714977872
you said cpu doesn't matter
i'd rather use a 1440p 240hz entry level oled than a 4k 240hz ips because even fast ips doesn't have the response times for it

>>714975348
that's all PCs and laptops with Intel chips using Steam, you idiot!

And the funniest part is that AMD 10 years ago had less than 8% until Ryzen came out and, even up today, your graph shows that AMD is still growing in terms of CPUs in general.

>>714977979
>1080p with 5090
>I'm running 240hz 1440p
so what? Are you CPU bottlenecked?

>>714978023
>CPUs don't matter for shit in gaming.

>>714978091
and you're talking about a fucking oled. What's your point?

>>714966057
in general yeah ignore any chip that isn't an AMD ryzen, more specifically the "X3D" chips for video gaemu

>>714975348
>Intel overall losing almost 10% usage within 5 months
I'm afraid you're rather proving the point

AMD is in the rear view mirror.

>>714978118
the point is that you have no chance of saturating a proper high end monitor with a shit cpu and most people pick framerate over gaytracing and 4k

>>714975348
>>714977981
Yeah, it took people years to realize that AMD is no longer a piece of shit and you had unironic diehard fanboys defending Intel last year, when 13th at 14th gen Intel were shitting themselves on mass.

>>714978331
>1440p
>high end
lol
Show what this CPU saturation looks like then.

>>714978386
>ips 4k
>high end

>>714978561
>CPU saturates
>babbles on about a fucking dogshit 1440p screen
Why are AMD fags utter retards?

>>714964234
Based individual immune to eceleb marketing.

>>714978636
a 1440p oled is higher end than any ips and it's literally the entry level and it STARTS at 240hz
you can literally get two 4k ips monitors for the price of one 1440p oled
if you cuck out on the cpu you're not saturating it
end of

>>714963749 (OP)
Same shit

>>714963749 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8LrwI-I_fY

>>714976916
>spending money on shit he doesn't need
>likely using a credit card, which is literally going into debt
>"I'm buying wiser. You're not."
Sure thing, buddy.

>>714963895
its great that i purchased 12th gen in 2022

>>714977979
>because even fast ips doesn't have the response times for it
IPS response time at 240hz is already good enough to eliminate nearly all the blur a human can notice. Not all of it of course, and OLED is indeed better, but motion clarity of 240hz IPS is already very good.

How is the 9800X3D so powerful?
It doesn't make sense

>>714979881
Why do you think that way?

>>714979881
it's 9700x with more memory glued to it
games just love that memory and they're not waiting as much for its content to be swapped out

V cache is just some fancy packaging allowing for a dirty hack to a problem cpu manufacturers of all types have been fighting for 40 years.

>>714980789
High capacity cache usually means slow cache.

>>714980950
with each generation the cache\memory is getting faster so it can do more cycles with less.

>>714980950
One issue of what makes it slow is it being physically further away - 3D stacking sidesteps this which is what makes the extra slab of memory viable really.

>>714981172
but if it was so easy, surely Intel would already do so

>>714979446
>"why do people call me poor?"
this shit is why people call you poor. You act like an insufferable cunt when it comes to what other people spend their money on.

>>714978965
>it's higher end
no it isn't. it's 1440p , that isn't high end anything.
>ips
who has an ips?
show your CPU bottleneck

>>714981219
intel will get their x3d once they first figure out backside power.

>>714963749 (OP)
Intel has been nothing but disappointments for years now.

I will never buy AMD and nothing you say will change my mind.

>>714963950
>budget = intel
>5700X3D with dirt cheap AM4 mobos exist
nah

>>714981650
Adamantine on nova lake for real this time!

>>714963879
>>714963749 (OP)
now that Intel with their latest generation 2xxk processors have finally got their shit together in terms of process node, architecture, and power consumption, I think it's safe to say that both brands are good for both gaming and productivity now.

Supposedly Intel feels "snappier" on windows. That's about the only meaningful difference I'm aware of right now.

>>714980950
It's slow(er) L3 cache, which is still much faster than RAM, which is why it gives such big performance uplifts.

>>714981219
Intel decided to shoot themselves in the foot when they went for the big.LITTLE thing and disregard what the market wants. Nothing they are currently doing makes any sense.

>>714963895
For unlimited money I'd rather get one of the latest generation threadripper chips with full v-cache across all cores.

>>714982115
>Supposedly Intel feels "snappier" on windows.
Bullshit and their chips still have scheduling problems.

>>714965819
That hasn't been true since zen 3 at minimum, without even counting their threadripper lineup.

>>714982190
Lower clocks so don't perform as well for games.

>>714982130
> big.LITTLE
big.LITTLE "solves" a scalability problem when you are area constrained. The 'E' in E cores doesn't mean power efficiency - it is area efficient, they are actually pushed (especially in raptor lake) real far on the v/f curve so they are quite thirsty overall BUT they are about 1.4 the size of a P core. It was intel's only viable move to counter AMD's scalability in the core wars as ultimately for those delicious big boi server deployments AMD can (and does) just keep slapping CCX's on and there is nothing intel could do to match that.

>>714982484
>1.4
*1/4

>>714982368
Thier epyc chips have even higher core counts. I think threadripper is a good middle ground if money is no object. You get both the benefits of v-cache in regard to game stuttering and the system stability of infinity billion cores.

>>714982368
Plus, the latest threadrippers still reach 5 ghz, that's faster than my 5950x, if not by much.

Nvidia or AMD for GPU though?

>>714984626
amd for gaming, Nvidia for everything else.

The Nvidia driver issues being talked about right now are referring to the game drivers only. Nvidia has another type of driver, their studio drivers, that are all about stability.

>>714985145
And those studio drivers still work almost as well for gaming too, within a single percent in most cases.

>>714985145
the Studio drivers usually offer lower performance because it downclocks the GPU and stuff for better stability.

>>714984626
>>714985145
Nvidia for gaming too if you are not broke
>>714985529
citation needed

>>714982130
Newer Intel Cpu's now have Performance cores, Efficient cores and Low power cores and these destroy everything. It's so bad that now AMD's next Cpu's will also have E cores too. AMD's only advantage really is the big cache pool and that is it, they lose on everything else.

>>714981374
Again, you can spend your money with whatever you want, but don't expect everyone to agree with your decisions.