>Fantasy game features daggers
>The optimal, or sometimes even the only way, to use them is to dual wield

Who the fuck popularized this shit and why did it catch on? Not only does it look retarded, it's an objectively worse way to fight than leaving one hand free.

>>714977117 (OP)
>rogue
>heavy helmet made oh metal
I can't even...

>Not only does it look retarded

Stopped reading right there. You're a fag if you think this and your whole opinion, preferably along with your life, should be discarded.

The only reason youd use a dagger over a sword is stealth
but that requires implementing a stealth system that works

>>714977117 (OP)
>Has been a part of human history even before we started recording it
>Gets sidelined in favor of swords and axes
Excuse me, but what the actual heck, dude?

>>714977495
Spears represent the collective. They're emblematic of the army and the formation. Things that don't fit a mold of a hero taking independent action alone.

>>714977729
This is completely arbitrary, in ancient China a single bladed sword was considered less complex than a spear. Same chopping motions that peasants used in their work while thrusting is unnatural and requires more training.

>>714977227
This you, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_NFb3Dj-A

Daggers are shit, SHIT

>>714977117 (OP)
isn't dual wielding weapons in general a meme? does it even work with swords or guns?

masked women are so hot bros

>>714977729
Nah only in the west because swords were a symbol of nobility and easy to carry around when traveling. In chinese fantasy, polearm users are very common. Since china is always at war, it isnt weird to see a hero carrying a spear or halberd with him at all times since he will be frequenting the battlefield often.

>>714977117 (OP)
It's because the concept of an agile fighter fighting with two swords was already a concept in Japan (Musashi). Thus, when the Japanese made a shitload of RPGs and games, that concept was imported to the rest of the world and people who thought it looked cool would try implementing it in their own games, with the origin divorced from the original concept.

Think it's also the reason why all dual wielding characters are dick-ass smug motherfuckers. It takes a level of expertise and bravo to use two blades instead of something practical.

Daggers are like medieval pistols and pistols are cool

>>714977495
>axes

Axes get shafted in every fantasy game except maybe World of Warcraft (at least back in the day). Not even Elder Scrolls broke the mold with Skyrim despite the whole nordic barbarian theme and them being their signature weapon in Morrowind prior, all the best artifact weapons as per usual are swords.

Nah, two daggers is fine. They can be used defensively too.

>>714978043
No, Musashi literally had like 50+ dueling wins and was a dual kata a user. Literally undefeated gigachad.

>>714978043
>guns
It looks cool with pistols, but you don't see it nearly as much nowadays because "muh realism" and the fact people get really autistic about guns and their proper usage. You won't see some character running around holding their crotch while firing a submachine gun sideways, one-handed, and above their head in a video game unless it's extremely cartoony in nature, sadly.

>>714977992
>Daggers are shit, SH-ACK!

>>714978369
>Daedric battle axe is artificially slow as shit
What the hell were they thinking.

>>714978376
>They can be used defensively too

I guarantee that a free hand is better for your defense than another knife, since you won't be parrying or deflecting with a short blade anyway.

>>714978715
Completely wrong, parrying daggers are even popular among rapier users. Anything can can slap a blade away is good.

>>714978715
Nah, a buckler would be even better. Actually, a buckler and a shortsword or buckler and a mace are way better than a dagger.

>>714978715
Real life says your statement is bullshit.

>>714977190
its light fantasy metal

>>714978715
>>714978917
Not necessarily. Buckets are harder to carry around d and can't be used to stab people if you get an opening. Fact is a dagger in the offhand for defense is a HEMA tradition that stretches back centuries. Two daggers is fine.

>>714978369
Dad of War might have an infinite number of problems but the axe feels damn good

>>714978801
Parrying daggers are the exception because they are designed specifically for that purpose. If you just have a straight, single-edged knife, you are more likely to direct the blade of the weapon you are trying to deflect to flay your wrist.

And even if the blade does stick, it's likely you will be disarmed via impact alone, especially if you are trying to deflect a much heavier weapon, as the force of the impact will travel directly into your wrist.

let the bodies hit the floor...

Can anybody name 3 games where scythes are actually good?

It seems like devs caught on to the fact that they're impractical weapons irl so now they're making them shitty in games too.

>DUAL WIELDING ISN'T REAL
- Chud who has never read a book or went outside

>>714979041
>can't be used to stab people
You can use the side of a buckler as a bludgeon, along with the face of a buckler. Shit's meant to help you parry attacks, but can also be used to rattle someone before letting you go in for the kill. Worst case scenario, you still have a metal, blunt object to help you wrestle an armored combatant to the ground before you go in with a dagger or sword.

>>714977912
No, it’s not, because I’m not an autist unable to separate stylish fiction with practical reality

>>714979441
Theyre only good in jrpgs and turn based games. But any action game gives them really clunky and weird movesets.

>>714979441
They are good in Dark Souls and Elden Ring

>>714979331
>Parrying daggers are the exception because they are designed specifically for that purpose
No, virtually any DAGGER will be adequate, parrying ones will simply have an aggressive guard.
> If you just have a straight, single-edged knife, you are more likely to direct the blade of the weapon you are trying to deflect to flay your wrist.
Nobody is fucking going into a knife fight of this sort with a fucking kitchen knife. Daggers have guards/quillons.
> especially if you are trying to deflect a much heavier weapon, as the force of the impact will travel directly into your wrist.
You're a backseating armchair retard who knows nothing. You're talking to somebodyu who has taken HEMA courses and regularly consumes HEMA Youtube content.

You don't even grasp what parrying is about "MUH WRIST!" lmao

Why has nobody invented a metal glove that lets you grab the enemy's blade instead of gay shit like "parrying daggers"

>>714979479
>You can use the side of a buckler as a bludgeon, along with the face of a buckler
Which is 100% less deadly than fucking STABBING a guy.

Bucklers are harder to carry impossible to conceal and not practical for the EDC situations that average Eurpean men carried armaments to handle. A little dagger you can draw to pair with your smallsword or rapier is easily concealed and worked into your daily attire. A buckler? Not even close. A buckler is for somebody PLANNING to get into a fight. The main gauche parrying dagger was something practice by commoners to deal with criminals and offenses to their honor.

>>714978369
Bloodborne switch axe is kino

>>714979860
They made thin mail dueling gloves specifically for that anon.

>>714979616
Scythe sucks in all souls except bloodborne imo

"Adurr I only wanna stab stuff once instead of twice" - a literal retard

>>714979441
Darksiders 2 is the scythe game. Very fun.

A dagger was a sidearm and would be used in open combat only as the last of last resorts.

Parrying dagger + rapier/another dagger was for duels, not tussles with highwaymen or warfare. Dual wielding was a meme for posh tossers stabbing eachother in the courtyards of their palaces.

>>714979663
your the dumbass from last thread who took "geralt swinging lessons" for whatever the fuck hema is?

>>714978043
I’m no martial expert but I think mostly yeah
Like if you think about how often you would actually be utilizing both weapons.
It’s possible to use a second dagger/short sword to parry but not really offensively

>>714979860
What do you think the mitten style gauntlets are for?

>dex class
>required by law to be weaboo slop
>inf class
>required by law to be ice/fire/lightning
yucky

>>714980104
>Doesn't even know HEMA
>Wants to talk about what's practical and effective in historical combat contexts
LOL
O
L

>>714980443
you are replying to my first post in this thread
I am asking are you the dumbass from yesterday's thread who was bragging about hema this and hema that and said and I quote "they thought me lots of cool flashy moves like geralts wide sword swinging"

Games where you actually are a rogue/thief and not just a warrior that wears leather generally tend to give you a single blade because its function is stealthy killing and not open combat. Thief and Styx, for instance, are like this.

Dagger chads won

Seethe

>>714980757
>you are replying to my first post in this thread
I don't believe you
>Are you some other guy from some other thread
You actually want me to take you seriously? When this is what you're concerned with?

>>714979472
90% of mudcore "erm in reality..." types don't know anything. Lindybeige, the king of annoying losers arguing about swords on the internet admitted he doesn't follow historical records when "correcting" people, he uses his gut feeling as whether something sounds right or not. Many such cases.

>>714980898
you are using the same posh attitude in both threads
go do your geralt swings while youtube hema is on the background

>>714981076
Trvke

>>714981128
Nah, you're just an ill-raised, ignorant little smear and have run afoul of two peoople who are clearly superior to you, socially, physically and mentally.

>>714977859
>>714978124
Who the hell cares about China? We are talking about people and heroes.

>>714978043
It's a meme but a good one. It requires more money, more training, and isn't 100 percent better. Not everyone can do it in the first place, as the minimum floor is higher for strength, dexterity, agility, and smarts. Consider the shield, particularly the buckler type to be a bashing weapon and it makes more sense.

Euros did it too, see florentine style two sword forms.

t. Nito Ryu 1 dan.

>>714978132
Dont' forget the money. You can't two sword unless you can afford one sword and training on that first.

>Actually, nobles dueled eachother using all kinds of wacky styles, therefore it is hecking valid that rogues in videogames do so too

>>714977227
Thread ended here.

>>714981567
Everyone leave the thread, the 13 year old anime aficionado has spoken!

>>714981669
Absolutely, irredeemably seething

Dual wielding two of the same weapon is the gayest shit.
Asymmetric dual wielding two different weapons is the fucking coolest. Swap one of the daggers for a hammer or axe.

>>714977227
/thread

It has a lot to do with the fact that the archetype of the rogue/assassin has shifted from its original concept.

A rogue used to mean someone like Garrett, who avoids confrontation as much as possible and uses his dagger only to eliminate obstacles quietly. Today, when you hear the word rogue, it is often thrown around to refer to these ninja warriors that can go toe to toe with actual soldiers and even spellcasters.

Personally, I blame WoW for this.

>>714981930
>he doesnt dual weild shields
>he doesnt use one for bashing and the other for skateboarding
ngmi

>>714982320
in morrowind, theif birthsign gives you less chance to be hit. most thief weapons are built around you moving back and forth and staying out of enemy's range of attack.
best light armor is starting armor. (ignoring glass which is so heavy its not worth it for a pure thief class)
basically your meant to avoid all fights till your target is reached. and only fight him by kiting him around while avoiding being hit. most thief oriented magic, sanctuary and chameleon from illusion school, affect evasion in combat

>>714977117 (OP)
>Isa from Infinity Blade
It's been years since I've thought about that series...

>>714978376
he was a FAG and Sasaki Kojirou SHOULD HAVE WON but Musashi has NEGATIVE ONE BILLION HONOR

>>714978043
You have to be built different in order to do it, but it's absurdly good if you can. On some level you need to be ambidextrous, so if you're not inherently that state, you need to train from a very young age the same way the Irish beat the left-handedness out of kids.

>>714979441
Eth threshers are top tier infinity bases in diablo 2. The unique thresher reaper's toll is amazing too. Wouldn't be a bad base for an oath on a fury druid too.

Dual wielding daggers and swords is cool.

>>714981398
>he doesn't know about Arthurian legends like Sir Bedivere
peasant, brush up on your Western mythology if you want to talk about people and heroes

>>714977729
>any greek hero demi-god is a spear user
>get sidelined by swords since the Middle Ages
>the most popular swords are Excalibur, used by some dude who ended up being a pathetic man wasting his kingdom married to a town bicycle, Durandal that was primarily featured in a story where Roland had a breakdown for losing and tried to fuck it up, Joyeuse who was Charlemagne's sword, forgotten because his legacy was cut into pieces the second he died
crazy