Who is more to blame for the death of Xbox?

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick, Phil is just there to manage the death

>>714980926 (OP)
Doug plunged the knife in Xbox's back. Phil grabbed that knife and twisted it

Don Mattrick. Ultimately Phil was right when he said losing the eighth generation was the worst thing that could happen since it was the one where people built up their digital libraries and would be less willing to switch over to a different console afterwards. Phil mismanaged all the studios he bought to shit, but even if Xbox actually put out good games they wouldn't have turned things around against PlayStation since the offering would've still been 90% the same.

>>714980926 (OP)
Phil could just end all the DEI bullshit and fire every single woman plus tranny working at Xbox and all its subsidiaries immediately and it would redeem Xbox.

>>714980926 (OP)

>>714980926 (OP)
one of those guys spent billions and billions of dollars to acquire companies only to sell less than the other guy

the customers

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick, Phil is just there to take the entire western industry along with them

Weren't xbox one sales numbers pretty close to ps4 first few years? IMO, Phil just couldn't bring any games and people lost interest. All the early xbox one exclusives like sunset and killer instinct were greenlit under Mattrick.

>>714980926 (OP)
Phil spent over 100 billion buying studios just to produce almost no games.

>>714980926 (OP)
I have zero desire to buy an Xbox product after they became a digital only hellscape with no exclusives. So this is on Phil Spencer's tab, not on Don Mattrick. I also would also prefer to pick up human shit in India than pay to rent my games.

Fuck Phil Spencer.

>>714980926 (OP)
Phil, he should have never bought Bethesda

>>714986879
>after they became a digital only hellscape with no exclusives. So this is on Phil Spencer's tab, not on Don Mattrick
Guess who was the first one who tried touting Xbox as a digital only hellscape.

>>714980926 (OP)
Don Mattrick was ahead of his time. Phil is an incompetent retard

>>714980926 (OP)
mattrick killed it, phil attempted a revival by dangling the netflix cheese in front of his rat ceo, probably bought them a good decade before collapsing.

>>714989557
Going Netflix of video game would work if and only IF these metrics were met
>80+ million hardware sold
>At least half of them bought into the 25 dollar tiers
In order to subsidize renting games drm pass you need a huge buy-in of consumers. PC gamers do not make the bulk of GameRentPass because they have piracy and Steam. So to grow the business it has to be console owners and they destroyed their own ecosystem by porting games to Nintendo, Sony, and PC.

You know how Nintendo Switch has online pay family plans? 35 dollars for 8 people. If you can convince 7 others to share the payment, its easy to buy into it. That's the idea behind GamePass ever becoming successful, which it isn't because clearly they shuttered game studios, are raising prices, and have a dead console brand now.

both xbox series X and gamepass have been hugely successful, but they couldnt crawl out of the death spiral mattrick put the brand in

way too many people got into the ps4 ecosystem to swap to xbox. Ps5 also didnt do any major marketing blunders that would allow xbox to gain ground

the fact that people still don't blame phil despite being in charge longer is a blackpill

he's just better looking so people give him more credit

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick killed it. Phil just buried the corpse.

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick shot Xbox in the foot, Phil poisoned it for years until health decreased and it had a heart attack and died of "natural causes"

>“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that’s on us, not on anybody else...But we’re not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you’re going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way.
>....I see a lot of pundits out there that kinda want to go back to the time when we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate and you could switch the whole share. That’s just not the world that we are in today. There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That’s not gonna happen.”
Phil Spencer (CEO Microsoft Xbox Gaming)

Be honest. Can you pinpoint the exact moment you lost faith in Phil Spencer? For me it was his unbridled faith in Todd Howard and Bethesda during the Starfield launch.

>>714990553
Saying that 343i are the best team to bring Halo forward.

Mattrick completely demolished everything the brand had going for it after the 360. Phil has spent more than a decade floundering and failing to accomplish anything of value while the brand slowly dies. Hard to say, I suspect Phil would have done fine if not for the hand dealt to him by Mattrick, but more damage has been done during Phil's tenure. Ultimately they both did an abysmal job and have cost thousands of people their jobs while providing no value to anyone. At least Phil's tenure gave us Pentiment I guess? That's about the nicest thing I can say about it.

>>714980926 (OP)
SOUL vs soulless

don mattrick did a lot of damage
but phil literally made all the wrong decisions
dude singlehandedly kept 343 alive instead of letting the execs kill that shitty studio

>>714990537
>There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That’s not gonna happen.
He said that a time when he already knew that the studios they bought couldn't deliver. That's why he was pushing GP with mediocre games instead of betting on great games selling well.

>>714990816
Xbox is putting a charade so that their existing 20 odd something million users who pay into GamePass above 20 dollars don't yank the cord. Most of the 1 dollar email trickers and stackers don't matter to Xbox, they only care about the console users who they can exploit for paid online and GamePass paypig tier access. Pretending to be a hardware company for now gives them months of revenue if they just announce they're going SEGA.

Is what Microsoft doing immoral? Yeah it is, which is why they won't be remembered fondly like the solemn day SEGA said they were going third party.

>>714990537
The gargantuan jaw on Mary Jane, lol. It would be such an easy fix but they just had to go out of their way to make her weird looking.

>>714981148
It's all excuses. If MS had really killer exclusives, it could have at least found marginal success and eventually maybe managed to recover. Instead it had dogshit exclusives that eventually stopped being exclusive at all, they just gave up, so of course their customers gave up on them.

Who cares, post more images of Sarah Bond

>>714990996
Are you noticing something about female mocap in video games? Designing women to be ugly on purpose. No such thing. Don't even think about it chuddie!

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>>714991095
How about we post pictures of the Fable reboot that's been in development for 7 years? 5 years active development and 2 years of pre-production. No release date given, delayed from 2025 to 2026 tentative. I bet cool gamer t-shirt uncle Phil Spencer is expecting loads of cum and new GamePass subscriptions when Fable zoomer reboot releases.

>>714990537
>a genderless blob in a blue poncho, that's what I want to play as!

It's sad to see this lengthy era of ugly women but it's also funny to see these morons burn millions upon millions of dollars and these disaster games.

>>714991336
>no new forza for 5 years bcs they had to help out at fable
fuck phil

>>714991243
If your company's leadership is turning to from men and nerdy women to attractive women as leaders, you're company is ngmi

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>>714991408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6TJTHdgmts Jerkoff to the new Fable protagonist right now.

>>714991653
>you're company

>>714991336
>5 years active development and 2 years of pre-production.
That was scrapped and rebooted at least once. No game is in full force active development for 5 years. If you had a sure-fire blueprint for a GTA and you handed that to an experienced team of 150/200 designers they could crank out that game in 3 years.

But devs, especially leadership, who don't know what the final game is supposed to look like, and thus can't lead their designers, have to waste 3, 4, 5 years on that process.

>>714980926 (OP)
The guy who told the truth within minutes, or the guy that lies for a decade. You can't recover from slowly wearing consumer trust to a mere fraction. It will take 10 more years to recover from. Fuck Phil.

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick managed MS IP's into decline(by 2013 there were just 2 IP's MS had that had any kind of public recognition - Gears and Halo), Spencer thought throwing money on studios will rebuild the catalogue but it failed because of mismanagement and the fact that they were dealing with shysters.

Take obsidian as an example. Theoretically this is the perfect company for MS to buy, they're always doing random contract work and the financial instability is grim often, they have dedicated fanbase, their output at the time decisions of purchasing them(circa 2019) were made was good(Pillars games had too much hype train behind them but from the perspective of 2025 they're pretty nice RPG's, TOW was still in development), they also had the promise of simply being a good selling point for Xbox if given enough resources. The only downside is that lately their writers started declining and being replaced by female fantasymance novel writers but that's an industry-wide problem, hard to fix it.
So what happens from there? Obsidian manages to get good sales from TOW and pitches Avowed as a sort of TES but in Pillars world. At this point it's still in the air whether MS will buy Zenimax so that's a big deal. They eventually buy them and Avowed goes through 3 separate iterations(we've got the 3rd) - TES clone, coop game with hub-world and expanded version of the game world in the 2nd iteration but now SP only. On top of that it's obviously limited in features just so the development is smooth and it's relatively playable at release. Very evidently Obsidian pitched avowed to increase its sales price(TES clone), then started making the game they actually wanted made(the coop one, see their cancelled Xbox One launch exclusive for why I think they wanted to make it) and then had to run fucking recovery operation, MS should've cancelled the project the moment they moved away from their sale pitch.
>>714991336
Fable was rebooted like 3 times since F3 was released.

>>714992306
Mattrick greenlit Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, and Scalebound.

Phil hasn't released shit.

>>714992306
>by 2013 there were just 2 IP's MS had that had any kind of public recognition - Gears and Halo
Forza is bigger than both.

>>714990980
Doesn't really matter how the public would remember you if you can just pay people to post positive things about Microsoft on every online forum and social media site until people start believing it. MS has the best astroturfing in the world.

>>714992514
SO is something I'd imagine a gen X suit greenlight to do his best Steve Buscemi "how do you do fellow kids" impersonation. Scalebound ended up going nowhere, KI I think was moderately successful but I'm not into the genre.
>>714992569
Sorry I forgot about it. Point was that X360 started its lifecycle with a lot of games, often funded for no other reason than just to increase variety of their offerings and over time they just left the few franchises and multiplats carrying it.

>>714991336
You could just post the fable fairy copy pasta, it has more cultural weight to it than the actual worthless fable brand.

>>714980926 (OP)
No one outside the USA was ever going to buy an Xbox, so it doesn't matter.

>>714990980
>Most of the 1 dollar email trickers and stackers
doesnt work anymore, they removed the stacking and 1 dollar sales since they added cod

>>714980926 (OP)
Mattrick has never played a video game that isn't Farmville so he had no idea what he was doing. Spencer knew exactly what he was doing. Fuck that guy.

>>714991217
The problem is that maybe in some instances the characters are intentionally made uglier, like aloy, but in a lot of instances I think it's just incompetence. You're comparing work done by fucking Remedy to work done by Ubisoft and Bioware.

>>714991336
Remember how he wore a fucking Hexen shirt to hype up the activitision acquisition? And now he's fucking canned a new shooter from John Romero. Motherfucker.

>>714991336
Phil Spencer has ironically been bad in the long run for developers, because he's proven that if somebody doesn't crack-the-whip and make these niggas actually meet a deadline, they take forever to put out completele slop. I don't even take complaints about "crunch" seriously anymore.

KekBOX at its peak sold less than the PS3

>>714993187
360 at its peak was ahead of PS3

>>714980926 (OP)
Phil killed Halo, Gears and then ultimately Xbox itself. The immense destructive force this man was capable of harnessing must be studied.

>>714980926 (OP)
Both.
Matt for screwing over XBOX.
Phil for screwing over the studios MS bought via stuff like Gamepass.

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>>714993084
Scalebound was cancelled by Phil Spencer. Kojima and Microsoft have an agreement to publish his cloud movie game called "OD". For now its not cancelled. For now.

>>714993774
>Scalebound was cancelled by Phil Spencer.
To this day I'm mad over this.

>>714980926 (OP)
I am convinced that Mattrick has intentionally sabotaged Xbox
Phil is just retarded

>>714981148
I agree but it doesn't help putting out 1 Halo game in the last 10 years which didn't bring anyone back, or 3 halo games in 15 years that were all dogshit.

Reminder that Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST and Halo Reach were all released within 10 years.

>>714993774
>>714993848
Scalebound cancellation was a good thing.
>but muh uh huh
How much was released of it? It's very obvious that it took years and years and the development isn't there.

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>>714993897
>inside man to destroy Xbox
"Well done Agent 47, return to Sony for your debriefing"

>>714981045
Fpbp

>>714989854
>>80+ million hardware sold
So sony can pull a gamepass?
How horrible

>>714981364
I sincerely doubt he's allowed to. All he's allowed to do now is hire H1B Indians.

>>714990553
Halo 5.

>>714994348
The takeaway is to subsidize game development costs associated with Microsoft owning half the game industry and renting their catalog, you need tons of people buying the GamePassRent model at 20+ dollars tiers. The higher the console ownership, the more potential customers you have. 80 million Xbox consoles sold gives you a healthy amount of people to entice to the tier membership programs. But because Xbox as a console brand is dead and irrelevant, they can't get away with renting games.

Sony and Nintendo have their own "subscription GamePass" services, but they don't include new games on release day and they aren't advertising it night and day like Microsoft is. If you're using a Windows PC right now there's a very high chance you will have GamePass begging you on the Control Panel or through the notifications. Microsoft is desperate to increase their subscription services simply because Xbox console ownership is dead. To sell Xbox consoles they need value and the brand has been devalued too hard.

>>714990537
WHO?!

>>714995030
>>714990537
https://youtu.be/yKwfEQ1eEyM?t=2172 The direct Phil Spencer quote. Great games do not sell consoles. CEO of Microsoft Gaming Studios for 10+ years.

>>714995030
Forgot image

>>714980926 (OP)
Stop blaming Mattrick, he's our guy. He was honest and told us the truth, warning us to avoid making a possible mistake. We need more people like him in the gaming industry who is honest and decent, not the ones that try and trick consumers through lies and empty promises.

>>714995335
Game is Shin Sakura Wars for Playstation 4. A romance mecha RPG.

>>714995495
Thanks bro, can I romance the redhead?

>>714995573
Absolutely you can romance the redhead.

>>714980926 (OP)
Whoever was in charge of the naming convention

>>714995845
They wanted to name it Xbox 720, but nerds kept buying up all the domains.

>>714991653
She a hardware Gal, It the "future" of Xbox anon

>>714996498
Buy the nerds domain

>guy who shot the company in the foot
vs
>guy who covered the wound with a dirty sock, forced it to walk a mile in swamp water, then covered it in deodorant to mask the stench, hoping that the problem would just go away
Dunno

Phil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0hPBqKHRN4&t=5825s
1:30:09
What the absolute fuck? This is supposed to kill the Steam Deck, the SteamOS, and the Steam Deck 2?

>>714980926 (OP)
He killed my boy.

>>714995208
He’s right. Bloodborne didn’t move PS4s.