Thread 714990339

I need to know when and why its culturally acceptable to have poIitical themes and undertones in games. Because the opinions of it seem to change with the times.

>>714990339 (OP)
i'm non-buynary.

>>714990339 (OP)
Gender shit and other things related to amerimutt equality worship are not "politics" and has nothing to do with politics, it's a plain and simple religion.
You retarded faggots will never be able to oppose it, if you can't even classify it correctly.

we need to make a distinction between politics and identity politics
do the two influence each other? yes
are they the same thing? no

>>714990339 (OP)
Politics in MGS2 was used to tell a story
Politics in Garbage American Slop No. 5567 is made to appease a certain crowd and promote a partisan political position.

>>714990339 (OP)
Theres a difference between both. Some games attack universally controversial political themes or factions, others are just a vehicle for someone's personal identity politics. Like if you make a game that satirizes Big Brother or censorship compared to another game where a fantasy elf is a tranny who yells at his dad because his dad kills orcs.

>>714990672
Again retard, it's not an "identity politics". Politics imply discussion and dialogue. This shit does not involve those things. It's a religious system presenting you with dogmas which are often not related to reality, and for questioning which you are immediately attacked.

how the fuck is tranny shit politics? politics in mgs was about war and shit.

>>714990339 (OP)
Geopolitics vs identity politics

Politics then: The system is rigged. Here's how it's gonna get even more rigged.

"Politics" now: I cut off my own dick and people find me off putting. FASCISM IN MUTTLAND.

It's like mutts can't stop themselves from turning everything retarded and gay.

>>714990339 (OP)
What GOTY did metal gear win again?

>>714990878
As opposed to... what you're doing?

>>714991037
but literally everyone outside of america that isn't russia, north korea or the UAE thinks that

Art takes two ideas, steelmans both and pits them against each other.
Propaganda takes two ideas, strawmans one and beats you over the head with what they want you to accept as reality.

>>714990339 (OP)
You were a child or unborn.

>>714991209
no they don't
t. irish

>>714990339 (OP)
Do whatever you want with your game, but don't act surprised, when sales figures appear lacking as a result.

>>714990339 (OP)
Idpol is a bullshit distraction so the goyim don't think about actual politics.
I love when games have geopolitics involving fictional countries.

>>714990592
Hang yourself. Marx wasn't American and five years ago all of you demonic hypocrites were screeching at us to "catch up with you" culturally. You're a lying piece of shit and you need to hang yourself.

It's always fine if it's done well.

>>714990339 (OP)
Political propaganda vs Political themes. Propaganda never acknowledges any position other than their own as being justifiable in any sense. There is no engagement expected from the player, just a pretentious message of self-righteousness from the developers of a video game to the people feeding and clothing them. Meanwhile political themes can be engaged with from various angles and interpreted in different ways. Even if there is little room for interpretation and you disagree with the idea behind the game, a lack of need to constabtly proclaim "I'm right, you're wrong!" makes this more tolerable than propaganda by default. It used to be more of the latter but lately it's been the former.

>>714990339 (OP)
When an ideology or philosophy is used for the sake of enhancing the story or narrative it can be good. However if it’s the other way around then it’s just propaganda.

Acceptable: You are an adult with some idea what you're talking about, presenting a story with political elements, making a point or inviting the player to draw their own conclusions, WITHOUT BEING BORING.
Unacceptable: You are an arrested development retard who "picked up" what would be called "pop politics" as a hobby when you were a dumb student, and think yourself some enlightened scholar SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER by inserting stale old Twitter posts into your work where it doesn't belong and ISN'T ENTERTAINING.

>>714990339 (OP)
It's because modern games' writers have the emotional maturity of a /pol/ user constantly crying about secret boogeymen and crashing out when outside their safe space
Hell at least you can post lefty stuff on /pol/

>>714990339 (OP)
Political games were cool when I was a dumb kid but as an adult I can only consume media I agree with

>>714990339 (OP)
The one good thing about modern gaming is this stupid shit triggering you fags

>>714990339 (OP)
>politics used as part of a narrative
>politics injected at the whims of some consultant or at some random incoherent point
You can really tell when the latter happens, because the injected political shit will completely undermine itself when it has to interact with the rest of the game, even if the game wants to tell you that the injected shit is correct.
No one is thinking of the deeper implications of what they're doing, because they're just including it to please their boss.

It's simple OP, if the "politics" angle is about grand, resonant themes like the morality of war, or freedom vs security, or the tensions between different factions where coexistence is difficult but war is self-defeating etc, where different perspectives are examined and given their fair shake, it's acceptable.
If the "politics" angle is about petty grievances like having to use the male bathroom when you FEEL like a female, or being upset because some builder who should be beneath your notice in the first place called you sugar tits when you walked past, or (heaven forbid) you have daddy issues and NEED the world to know about it (but they'd better not ever even imply that you have daddy issues), it's lame, gay and stupid.

>>714990339 (OP)
How is that politics? It's just trash writing.

>>714991137
I didnt even know this existed. An award for being the gayest thing. Amazing. Whoever runs that should start nominating all the games they don't approve of just to sabotage them. Its probably worse than an endorsement from the KKK.

Politics that exist within the context of the universe are perfectly fine, they're just used for world building within the context of the games closed universe.
Identity politics are just forced bullshit that have no place in any kind of setting, Veilguard is supposed to be a universe of magic and dragons, using actual IRL gender terminology just completely takes you out of the world.
It would be like an ace in Ace Combat wanting to kill you because you mis-gendered them once, its fucking stupid.

>>714990339 (OP)
Left: The game itself explores its own fiction of politics
Right: The game screams out to the player about the developer's own politics.

>>714992579
>How is that politics? It's just trash writing.
One has to wonder why this shit was in every game in the past decade tho. Was it all just shit writing?
And why are those shitty writers getting rehired in other big studios?

>>714991374
It doesn't have anything to do with Marx. Aside of him being a raging homo of course, so if he would be alive today he would love that shit.

>>714991209
the dems are practically the same as the republicans even back then, only difference is that they just worsened things at a slower rate

>>714991209
Europeans, Canadians, and other American vassal states (who really are just vassals of the Democratic party, let's be honest) think that, maybe.

LA LI LU LE LO

>>714990339 (OP)
if you don't understand you're a fucking retard

>>714993252
Because it's considered optimal business strategy in the games industry to lay off everyone as soon as the product is finished to avoid anyone gaining seniority and whatever happens after that isn't the CEO's problem which devs have caught onto and thus know the quality of their work is irrelevant and either get the fuck out of the games industry or get hired on games like Veilguard

>>714990339 (OP)
Politics that are too complex for conservatives to understand are okay.
>American is spying on you
>America is good
>spying is good

>please don't treat me differently because I'm different
>that person is different than me
>that person is bad

>>714994945
>>please don't treat me differently because I'm different
>>that person is different than me
>>that person is bad
Correct,

>>714990339 (OP)
It helps when it's a multifaceted debate about a topic instead of vomiting whatever the developer viewpoint on a particular point is.

>>714990339 (OP)
this is prime example of genX writing vs millennial writing

>>714991293
The Irish are the biggest lefties in Europe, the only reason they don't think that is because they think the Democrats are right-wing.

>>714991451
>>714991669
/thread

>>714994936
How come CEOs don't get fired after overseeing gigantic flops like Veilguard?

>>714995872
Same reason the writers don't.
The industry is infested and they just fail upwards.

>>714990339 (OP)
Because there's a difference between "politics in games" and "politics IN games".
Having a game about military intrigue, espionage and sci-fi modern combat feature reflections of real world political struggles? Makes sense. Could be polarizing, but fine.

Having a game about magical fantasy dragonmen fight demons have a character sit down and interrupt the story to talk about their gender? Done for the purpose of pushing political narratives. Intentionally polarizing. Not done for the game, rather done so the developers can have another heap of social media drama to entertain themselves with. Not fine.

>>714995940
Why don't the investors who lose millions care?

>>714996206
I didn't proofread this post and some 14 year old double nigger is gonna call me ESL lmao

>>714990339 (OP)
no politics because modern writers are retards and can't do it justice

>>714996220
Because to them, it's all graph go up, graph go down.
They're not actually "Losing money" in a way that's meaningful. It's not like they're gonna have to budget for their dinners for the next few weeks, you know?
After a certain point of net worth, money starts being more like a score and less about what you can afford and can't afford.
The only time investors care is if graph go down multiple times in a row, which is usually doesn't. And even when it does, they just sell and move on, not making that big of a stink. When they sell, graph go up, and the process repeats until there's nothing left, at which point they just move on to the next thing.

>>714995872
Because accountability only goes far enough to attack the people in the actual line of fire rather than the one who directs them. Same reason presidents don't go to jail for carpet bombing random villages, ordering execution and an entire laundry list of other human's rights violations that would make Frieza blush.

>>714991168
That isn’t what he’s doing, he’s telling you to shove your unquestionable religion up your fucking ass.

>>714991137
>GOTY for gayest game
Metal Gear should be proud of not winning any awards

>>714995872
Sometimes they do, but then they immediately get hired on to do the exact same job in the exact same industry by a different company.

>>714996220
They get told the people who were laid off were the problem, and it will be fine next time. Investors as a rule are barely functional retards, so they believe it.

>>714991168
Modern gender ideology is political in the same way that Islam is political. It's a faith based belief system turned political ideology out of necessity for the purpose of the expansion of power and control.

>>714990339 (OP)
Trans and NB people existing is not political.

funny how the "capitalism bad" crowd jumps to defend all media made by millionaires when it has propaganda they agree with

>>714996873
Because they don't actually have values, only power goals.

>>714990339 (OP)
One makes a point about excessive governmental control, the other is just schizophrenia.

>>714994945
>conservatives
You dumb fuck. What kind of political affiliation does the left side have? I thought you guys said the right were conspiracy theorists.

>>714991137
MGS2 won GOTY from Game Informer and a fuckton of other awards from other publications
MGS1 was nominated for a ton, didn't win but came out in a ridiculously good year for vidya so it's an honor just to be nominated. I forget who, but one publication named it best game of all time

MGS1, 2, and 3 all won console game of the year from the Game Critics Awards

>>714996573
>Dubya and Obama go to jail for their warcrimes
Sign the country is free or sign the country is conquered?

>>714996220
Same reason Warner Bros continues going all in on live service despite nothing but endless failures, investors are retarded and are willing to hold the bag, because surely THIS TIME it will be different, and they will double profits.
This is why the industry is dogshit trash, its just investors looking for their golden goose.

>>714994945
Leftists always amaze me when they think their childish view of the world is intelligent. You’re really working with some heavyweight ideas there buddy,l.

>>714991209
yeah, we all think that when we're younger then we grow up
also a lot of us probably would've thought it for longer, growing up in the glory days oft he 90s and 00s, if we hadn't hit this hyper-acceleration button in the mid to late 2010s that made every single even slightly left-leaning person in the political arena or anyone who supported them suddenly become a mask-off full-on actual demon with zero redeeming values

at that point we realized both sides are equally bad :-)

>>714997235
>yeah, we all think that when we're younger then we grow up
not me, I went from watching those corny "feminazi gets owned" compilations as teenager to developing critical thinking skills

>>714990339 (OP)
>Game politics then
>Based around the game's setting and not on the nose
>Game politics now
>I identify as an apache combat helicopter and my pronouns are vroomvroom/ratata
And there's still people who can't differentiate between these two things.

>>714994945
Homogenous societies are the reason any kind of society or even the concept of society exists.
The moment we started mixing it all went to shit.

>>714997235
Both sides aren’t equally bad, leftists are tyrannical authoritarians with a scary amount of institutional control. They need to be torn down.

>>714993474
In modern 1st world politics, 9 out of 10 times the "'Conservative"' parties are just trying to do almost the exact same things the '"Liberal'" parties from about 100~130 years ago wanted to do - and for some reason get extremely mad whenever you notice this.
Modern leftoids can go fellate a shotgun for unironicly promoting queer-friendly Communism though.

>>714997584
The guy blatantly ignoring court orders and having people kidnapped for criticizing Israel is a the tyrant, you bootlicker

>>714996873
There was a great video on youtube I saw ages ago where some guy was talking about the Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany and it was all about how Capitalism subverted and weakened this leftist terrorist organisation using identity politics and his conclusion was "the communists had traded worker's rights for gay rights, and that's how West German capitalism won" (Both leaders of the Baader-Meinhof Gang were gay). I wish I could find this video again because it has only become more relevant to this day.

>>714998092
Supreme already put a muzzle on those pathetic court orders.
You lost.

>>714997235
The evil neocons on the right got overthrown by Trump and MAGA, so we're past their warmongering ways.
The evil SJWs on the left are just doubling down and going full communist, so they're overdue for their own Trump to overthrow them and remind them that they used to be the party of the working class.

>>714998905
They issued a 9-0 order that he wasn’t allowed to send that dude to El Salvador without due process, and he still ignored them.
But keep pretending the guy using the military against American people isn’t a fascist. Maybe he’ll let you look at the Epstein files if you keep eating his shoes

>>714990339 (OP)
The reason you dont see conservative politics in games and movies is cuz most conservatives have nothing to go off of other than hating people. Not really much of a message that you can stretch over a 2 hour movie or 40 hour game

>>714991137
Lol I didn't know it won a mark of shame

>>714999101
>But keep pretending the guy using the military against American people isn’t a fascist.
How come no one ever calls President Eisenhower or President Johnson fascists?

>>714999101
Except he did give the guy due process, they charged him with even more shit including child trafficking.
I love how you people are still trying to defend that guy.

>>714999365
Cuz they’re not alive and dont matter today, you disingenuous coward
What about is not an argument

>>714990339 (OP)
they're the same picture and you should feel bad for suggesting they aren't or something to that effect

>>714999467
>Kept him in a gulag for months despite being told he couldn’t
>Made up charges
They said he was driving back and forth from Maryland to Mexico 5 times a week to traffic people. If you honestly believe them on that, I dont know how to hold a real conversation with you because you are unimaginably stupid

>>714999502
>What about is not an argument
Fair enough. No whataboutism, that's the communists' tactic. So have an argument:

Calling out the National Guard to protect federal buildings from rioting communists does not make a President a fascist.

>>714999637
>Actual unironic defense of a wife beating, child trafficking criminal.
And you somehow still think you're the good guy here.

>>714990339 (OP)
Actual politics vs fags

>>714990339 (OP)
It's acceptable when it's not gay, simple as.

>>714990778
Veilguard was made in Canada, tard knocker.

>>714990592
>You retarded faggots will never be able to oppose it
The game flopped.
Trump won the popular vote.

>>714990339 (OP)
> oldfag is stuck in 2016 politics
Get with it faggio, we're all anti-woke magapedes now.

>>715001757
>Trump won the popular vote.
Epstein client list dropping any minute now. Trump definitely does NOT rape children. Only libtards are agains

>>714998262
>I wish I could find this video again because it has only become more relevant to this day
Whats the point?
Leftists sucking cocks at the expense of everything else is a tale as old as time and its not something they will stop doing.

>>714991137
>gayming awards

>>714990339 (OP)
nobody cares about the politics, only whether the game is crap

>>714996743
this

>>715003169
2 more weeks

>>714998092
The court isn’t in charge of the executive branch, and you fucking retarded? Suck trumps cock btw, he owns you.

>>714999637
This is retarded. So basically you just make up a reality to then believe in. No wonder no one’s listening to you freaks anymore.

>>714990339 (OP)
You keep cherrypicking that one line.

>>714994945
>Politics that are too complex for conservatives to understand are okay.
So why are modern writers always operating on the level of a subhuman conservative ogre piece of shitstain?

>>714990339 (OP)
>it seem to change with the times.
Your kind was despised then, and it's despised now. It's just that you now have massive support from 99% of the media and corporations (hilariously, This doesn't make you raise an eyebrow at all), and that's why you think you're not massively despised while proclaiming... that you are massively despised BUT only by a small and specific group: straight white males.

>>714990339 (OP)
>get a game that talks about politics like MGS2
>retards screech on twitter that the game is woke

>>714990339 (OP)
One is using politics as a backdrop for the story the other is straight up lecturing you on what you should believe and implying you're a moral pariah if you disagree.
How is this so hard to understand?

>>714990339 (OP)
>games that pander to teenage girls = success
>games that pander to nobodies = flop

>>714991137
The Gayming awards for us Gaymers.

>>714990339 (OP)
How the fuck is being non-binary political?

>>715005446
>how the fuck is a social contagion political

>>714999365
I do. Also, if I had a time machine, I would kill Calvin Coolidge.

>>715005446
You're right
It's more similar to if the character sat down and out of nowhere went "Can we talk about our lord and savior Jesus Christ?"
Because it's someone's religion

>>715006348
If you ever see an e-xian wondering why they don't make good games, this is why. It all comes from a position of wanting to preach.

>>714990592
An idiot and a degenerate. Archive.
- J. Stalin.

>>714990339 (OP)
One of those are made-up in-universe politics in a fiction where it thematically makes sense and not meant to inform your takes on anything that goes on reality, the other is "real" politics forced into fiction they don't belong in to lecture you on how you should act and think in reality about these topics. Always disingenuous how pseudo-progressives go
>but there was always politics in this!!1
when they almost certainly get this obvious difference, but pretend to be retarded and ignorant for the sake of their shit pre-canned takes.

>>714999743
I mean they venerated St Floyd of fentanyl for ODing and pointing a gun at a pregnant woman.

>>714999637
Woah cool it with the antisemitism

>>715007432
>e-xian
(((Hello)))

>>714994945
>please don't treat me differently because I'm different
>that person is different than me
>that person is bad
This btw. is a natural human instinct and in part responsible why civilizations sustained themselves long enough, that you can enjoy posting retarded shit today. In the past people like you would be banished into the wilderness at first notice, where you are free to life and die differently instead of fucking everything up for your kin.

>>714990339 (OP)
If you cannot understand the difference between these two, you are part of the problem.
This isn't a message to OP, I know that fag is baiting

>>715000160
America's small round hat

>>714990339 (OP)
Politics are fine. Games scolding you for not being a good enough ally isn't.