how where the sith a threat at all with all the literal backstabbing they did to eachother?

>>714990676 (OP)
sexoooooooo

>>714990676 (OP)
They weren't. All of TORtanis sith stories were about how the sith sabotaged and backstabbed themselves into nearly losing the war (that they've restarted, thinking it's a sure thing).
Makeb storyline begins with Darth Marr begging you to help him save the Empire from destruction.

>>714990676 (OP)
That's exactly why the Rule of 2 was implemented

>>714990676 (OP)
The Sith path encourages a cycle of
>exceptional talent arises
>they're too powerful to backstab, even if you get all your peers to gang up on them
>talent forcibly tard wrangles them into a relatively cohesive unit
>they pick a fight with the Jedi, who are complacent from the last time they pasted the Sith
>gain some ground
>Jedi unite and exceptional Jedi talents arise
>Sith number one gets bested
>everyone promptly backstabs each other into oblivion
>Jedi mop up
>Sith fuck off back to where they came from

>>714990676 (OP)
Well it was problematic for them but there was structure and some semblence of loyalty despite the internal power struggle.
The rule of two is of course retarded
>hurr durr but it caused jedi to go kaput and ruled galaxy
For an insignificant amount of time. The sith empire on the other hand lasted ages

>>714990676 (OP)
um yea its called the bad guys always lose dude

>>714990676 (OP)
The Inquisitors aren't Sith, they're Dark Jedi. They're disposable tools.

>>714990676 (OP)
Disney dogshit aside its about something simple and inherently human: mutual gain and power. No master is going to just find ways to murder his apprentice before they show their stuff, and no apprentice is going to look for an infinite amount of ways to kill his master. Only after they feel like they've gotten everything from each other and understood the Sith code will they do it and its not going to be out in the open. It'll be subtle, conniving like the Sith are meant to be.

>>714990852
In retrospect TOR was really a good game.
Imperial Agent was best story btw.

>the only good thing to come out of Disney Wars
How did they do it? Is it really as simple as hiring KOTOR writers?

>>714991181
That shit wasn't good. Nothing good has come out of Disney wars.

>>714990676 (OP)
>>714990852
This. The base storyline of ToR is essentially the Republic being saved time and time by heroes while the Empire's champions scramble to ensure they doesn't lose against a vastly inferior opponent from both a logistical and tactical standpoint because the Sith can't stop backstabbing each other and waving their dicks around. Darth Malgus pretty much had to outright say he'd kill anyone who killed the Grand Moffs just to keep the Sith from killing the literal leaders of their military on a whim.

>>714990676 (OP)
There were only two Sith for many years.
What's crazier is how Vader was literally everywhere always fighting every little rebel group personally.

>>714991297
Better than TORtanic

>>714990676 (OP)
>........he's right behind me, isn't he?

>>714991420
Not even close. TOR was actually a good game you never played.

>>714991420
Absolutely not, and you're fucking gagging on the Kool-Aid if you actually believe that.

>>714991413
He wasn't everywhere. Whats more outlandish is the actual Clone Wars being 3 measly years yet the Jedi did so much over that period of time and Anakin managed to sustain a marriage in that time. I wish the EU could've at least retconned that subtly to I dunno 5 or 6 years. Anakin can still lose Ahsoka in the first two then fight and train for the rest.

>>714990962
But anon don't the Sith win in the end in the movies when they destroy all the Jedi

>>714991181
It has a lot of issues but it's honestly a miracle that these two games are as good, white and heterosexual as they are. We can only hope they stick the landing with the third game.

>>714991550
>THE JEDI HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OBLITERATED
idk chief.

>>714991531
He is in every game they release now and has been in at least a couple of the movies.

>>714991613
Those two games are not good.

>>714991613
>white and heterosexual as they are
they tried really hard to make it not so.

>>714991550
No, because Luke ultimately won and restored the order.

>>714991550
No you retard because exceptional Jedi talent wins via talk no jutsu in RoTJ, converting his dad to the light side and then dad overthrowing evil sith boss.

>>714991420
>Better than TORtanic
Speaking strictly about swtor here, they were able to produce solid storylines in the same vein as the expanded universe. The issue with swtor is in the mechanics, lack of direction and overall poor management.

>>714991550
Theres like 30-50 Jedi alive in the expanded universe after Order 66. Those numbers do go down but the order is effectively gone as is there influence and morale until Luke gets Vader to reform and kill Palpatine. Then they slowly rebuild with various hurdles and hiccups and New Republic incompetence, The Vong, Jacen and other bullshit.

>>714991945
Not canon, sweetie.

>>714990676 (OP)
I bought the game just for her. Is it worth it, or did I make a financial error?

>>714992021
It's an ok game, but I hope you got it on sale. Definitely not worth 60+ burgerbux.

>>714992007
You're handwavium doesn't make those stories disappear.
And its more canon than Disney's mess.

>>714991827
Something I liked about RoTJ was just how much Palpatine's hubris fucked him.
It genuinely didn't occur to him that Luke would tell him to fuck off, and his rage at being defied meant he got completely blindsided by Vader's redemption, which also never occured to him.
It's so much more satisfying for the hero to win by defying fate rather than just bisecting the villain or overpowering him.

>>714990676 (OP)
>Her face when I go in dry.

>>714992102
This. I have pretty much the entire EU in audio and e-books stored on several HDD's. Didney can make it 'not canon' as much as they want, but they will have to wring these drives from my cold dead hands!

>>714991741
If you play these games you realize it must have been the complete opposite.

>>714991724
Star Wars games hasn't been good since X-Wing vs TIE Fighter.

>>714990676 (OP)
just look at israel

>>714992151
This is a much better ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fPT8Sdd3f4

>>714992253

>>714992223
There's been plenty of good games since Xwing vs TIE Fighter.

>>714992253
>This is a much better ending.

>>714990676 (OP)
Star wars is not a good writing franchise
>Hey that retard I've manipulated just betrayed and killed literally everyone who was ever close to him without hesitation
>Should I get rid of him how that he served his purpose
>No, I probably should make him my right hand, there's no way he would to that to me as well if something gives him ideas

>>714992313
Not on the level.

>>714992253
Lousy b8.

>>714992151
Luke is pretty much the heart of ROTJ and I like that he really doesn't contribute on the same physical level the others do but rather appeals to the humanity of the series main villain up to that point. Lando and co blow up the Death Star 2.0 and Han, Leia and the other rebels destroy the shield.

>>714990676 (OP)
>>714990794
Id give her a stabbin' in her backside if you know what I mean?

>>714992071
>but I hope you got it on sale
I did, on 50% discount long time ago. Mostly because it is a Soulslike game play review.

>>714990676 (OP)
>how where
Amazing how even with GPT and autocorrect you ESL fucks still manage to embarrass yourselves.

>>714992383
Xwing vs TIE Fighter isn't even on the level of TIE Fighter, a game that came before it.
Its not on the level of KOTOR either. Or KOTOR 2.

>>714990676 (OP)
There's only (supposed) to be two so any backstabbing results in the stronger Sith surviving unopposed and raising a disciple (to be backstabbed by) meaning that there's constant upwards momentum.
They also exist as an additional check on the Jedi which are far more self-sabotaging and on a grander scale.

>>714992253
>I AM ALL DA SITH
>AND I... AM ALL TEH JEDI
holy freak, I clapped. It's just like my capekino

>>714992481
KOTOR is gay and overrated, just like BioWare in general.

>>714992223
>If you play these games you realize it must have been the complete opposite.
huh?
the MC is white, but he's a cuck slave to literal brown w*men. only thing he does is survive (lol, lmao).

>>714992367
The plan was to literally have Luke kill Vader and take his place, but it backfired because reasons stated in >>714992151

>>714992536
You're gay and overrated.

>>714992295
>>714992350
>>714992392
Luke’s "resolution" (it's not a resolution, because Palpatine doesn't die) in Return of the Jedi hinges entirely on the notion that only a Skywalker - through familial love - can destroy the Sith. It’s a closed mythos. Rey’s final victory over Palpatine represents a break from that bloodline determinism. Her act is not redemptive through blood ties but a categorical rejection of legacy and lineage. She refuses the inherited evil of her name and the inherited good of Anakin’s sacrifice. It's just like the Last Jedi shows - she's no one, but a no one is all it takes.

This democratizes heroism. The idea that Palpatine can be defeated not by some cosmic bloodline twist, but through will, choice, and resistance, is much more empowering than the predetermined "chosen one" myth.
It is not merely physical might that Rey uses, either. By becoming all of the jedi, she reflects Palpatine’s own power back on him. It's an inversion of domination: he is consumed by the Force energy he tries to control. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>>714992584
You wish.

the Sith Inquisitors are such a lame fucking theme in general. Imagine diluting your post-order 66 galaxy to "every kid in every system got jedi powers and a lightsaber in their morning space cereal". Also Order 66 deleted all Jedi except like 90% of them and they're all hidden. And black wamen have power and they're strong and hear them roar

>>714992602
I'm not going to read your b8 reasoning.

>>714992429
Then ye definitly worth it. It's a solid story with a SW backdrop. Not a 'HOLY KINO' type of game but it's fun and doesn't overstay its welcome.

>>714992253
This is the sloppiest thing I've ever seen.

>>714992647
>Everything I don't like is bait
Lucas loved the Last Jedi and backed Kathleen Kennedy, your personal Satan. Star Wars has moved past you.

>>714992578
This would just result in a functionally identical turncoat underling.

>>714992602
I fucking hate AI sometimes

>>714992762
No one gives a fuck what Lucas thinks.
He created the prequels which are all massively shit.

>>714990676 (OP)
You know the Jedi always go on about the DS being the quick and easy path? Well they fucking mean it. The average DS user is like 10x as powerful as the average Jedi or something and goes through decades less training. Even with Sith backstabbing, acolytes and lesser Sith are easily replaced and quickly rise to somewhere between Jedi Knight and Master level. Then during the Rule of Two, Maul as a Rule of Two Sith was only in his 20s taking on a Jedi Master and a Padawan at the same time. Don't use the Inquisitors as an example either because they're not Sith and are trained wrong on purpose. But even they still wash most shit-tier Jedi who don't have plot armor.

>>714992718
Thanks for the heads up.

Here is a waifu post in kind.

>>714990676 (OP)
Usually the Sith have a few yard wranglers (the Emperor included) who keep the psychopaths in line, but ultimately the psychos become too numerous for the Sith and that’s when the Empire crumbles.
As for Palpatine’s Empire, Inquisitors weren’t numerous enough nor did they have the authority to slaughter Imps, in fact most prominent Imps outranked and bossed them around so Inquisitors were pretty much fodder that couldn’t destabilize shit. Vader killed them without worry. Inquisitors did backstab each other but it wasn’t frequent enough to cause problems.

>>714992428
based

>>714992762
Lucas also said that "The Last Jedi doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie" and that he's "unsure" if he likes it.

It's an ok film, but it's not a Star Wars film as most fans know Star Wars to be.

>>714992501
this was kino
capeshit is so cool sometimes

>>714991550
In the OT Luke kills the Sith leaders and rebuilds the Jedi order. In the EU and Disney canon it's revealed a ton of Jedi escaped and are living undercover so the Sith failed even harder.

>>714992853
The average Banite Sith is vastly stronger, but under normal circumstances Jedi and Sith even out overall.
Early Sith>early Jedi due to the dark side being quick and easy, but by the time they mature Jedi catch up and you end up with far more genuinely powerful masters due to the lack of backstabbing, which in turn gets balanced out by the top Sith Lord being orders of magnitude more powerful than his peers by necessity.

>>714992787
>This would just result in a functionally identical turncoat underling.
That's the whole idea behind the Sith. The stronger part kills the weak, replaces them with a new apprentice, so on and so forth.

You can argue that you don't like the concept, that's fine, but to argue that it's bad writing is just wrong. The concept works; the Sith grow stronger with each new apprentice overpowering their master, making the Sith as a whole stronger and in turn the Empire as well. But it also highligts the flaw in the system, mainly the lack of trust and an overconfidence in their own power, as was the case with Palpatine.

It's good writing.

>>714992787
Well with Vader he did try to usurp Palpatine a few times and some times Palpatine even secretly manipulating him into doing so just so he'd have an excuse to beat the shit out of him and stamp out any shred of hope he had left of revenge. I'd imagine he would plan to do the same to Luke, but Luke didn't have as much baggage as Vader so he was just like "fuck off lol".

>>714991030
I thought the entire point of the story was balance. Tolkien has a world with definitive and concrete good and evil beings, but light and dark in this universe is suppose to be bad when either scales are tipped too far. The prequels tried to hamfistedly explain how the council of Jedi became complacent and too restrictive of their own powers, transforming into a bureaucratic system that just "kept the peace" by ignoring the suffering of planets at large, that it led to a power shift in the first place. It swings back and forth, but I guess if story telling is really boring, the story just ends when it's the good guy's turn at the end.

>>714993661
Balance in the force is supposed to mean exterminating the sith, because their presence fucks everything up merely by existing.
Lucas just did a really shit job of explaining it. The council in the prequels are also supposed to be in the right but rendered ineffective by the dark side fucking with their judgement, but again the execution makes them look like hidebound morons.

>>714990676 (OP)
>>714991181
I miss her bros. she's better than Merrin. shame they kill her off

>>714992602
>Luke’s "resolution" (it's not a resolution, because Palpatine doesn't die)

Just as Disney does not acknowledge the EU as canon, I do not acknowledge any mainline film past Revenge of the Sith to be canon.

>>714993850
She had a horrible life, she deserved better.

>>714993661
The Force in balance means no Dark Siders. People have somehow tricked themselves into thinking there’s a Dark and Light Side of the Force when in reality the Dark Side is a cancerous tumor representing destruction and the will to kill, which is why the power it offers is so perverse and unnatural. Sith and Dark Siders are mortals trying to command nature instead of being in harmony with it, there is no “balance” with them around. In Star Wars, if a Dark Sider exists, the story isn’t over. When there’s no more Dark Siders, the happy ending’s achieved.

>>714993223
>making the Sith as a whole stronger and in turn the Empire as well
This is completely retarded. A system of power like this must have unquestioning loyalty as one of its main fundamental components. If Palpatine wanted to create a successful galaxy-spanning government, he wouldn't ever permit any unstable or overly ambitious actors near himself or his establishment. If he wanted to produce a "stronger" sith (Stronger as what? As a fencer and a force user?), then that goal has absolutely nothing to do with his political ambitions and should be better practiced in some isolated experimental environment away from his establishment, and with contingency kill switch for everyone involved.

The main reason why sci fi is a serious genre and fantasy isn't, is former ultimately being about people first and foremost, with fictional environments and circumstances serving as a vehicle for exploring realistic human stories and motivations. Latter has no such constraints, the motivation and reasoning of characters can be as absurd and arbitrary as possible, and nobody will see an issue because magical rules n shiet. Star wars is not really a sci fi story.

>>714994118
>People have somehow tricked themselves into thinking there’s a Dark and Light Side of the Force
They even gave a Star Wars sequel movie to one of these fools

>>714994417
>>714993883
Seethe and cope

>>714994118
>Dark Side is a cancerous tumor representing destruction and the will to kill, which is why the power it offers is so perverse and unnatural
Unnatural power like shooting people with an electric arc? Jedi mind control shit that takes away the target's free will looks orders of magnitude more perverse.

>>714991181
that is not a latina. thats a pajeeta.

>>714994917
Horribly wrong.

>>714994808
Because you’re looking at it from a lens of a sentient being instead of the lens of the natural order of things. You can’t produce lightning from your hands that can fry people from the inside out, that isn’t natural. It’s a Dark Side power because it’s dismantling the natural order of things in order to harm or kill.
The Mind Trick, regardless of how you feel about it as a sentient, is merely using the Force to adjust or affect something that is already a natural process. At the highest level, yes you’re robbing someone’s free will and that may seem perverted to you as a sentient, but to the Force it’s completely natural and fine.
Shooting lightning from your fingertips and killing someone by telekinetically breaking their neck is NOT natural and the Force doesn’t like it because you’re using it to commit wanton, unnecessary slaughter.
>hurr then maybe the Force is duhhh evil!
Don’t bring Kreia into this because she’s a dumbass, the Force is a necessary thing in-universe but is ultimately beyond our understanding. Sentients choosing to take the gift and commit atrocities with it is not the Force’s fault.

>>714995242
did she get a nose job or something? why is her nose totally different?

either way, would and hot.

>>714991181
does she have anymore screen time

>>714994917
Face blindness and the inability to distinguish between ethnic groups is an actual, medically diagnosed symptom of autism and you should be ashamed of yourself when even dogs or chimpanzees can tell the difference between their own kind or each other.

>>714995670
Given disasters known as Guyana, I wouldn't rule out pajeet admixture entirely.

>>714995401
>it’s dismantling the natural order of things in order to harm or kill
What kind of gay new age hippie shit is this?
Anyone familiar with life is aware, that harming and killing is probably THE most frequently occurring process in the whole natural order of things.

>>714992253
>Millions of Disney money couldn't create a better villain than Sheev
How does he do it?

>>714990676 (OP)
The whole idea of the Sith philosophy is that only the strongest survive.

>>714991413
I think the implication is that there weren’t a lot of rebellions between Episodes III and IV. At most, there were just small uprisings that were easy to crush. According to the lore the Rebels also didn’t even get their first major win until the Death Star was destroyed.

>there are anons ITT who haven't mindbroken their personal sith onahole with babymaking rape yet

>>714990676 (OP)
It's why Darth Bane created the Rule of 2: one master and one apprentice who will eventually defeat and replace the master and repeat the cycle. It also means most Dark Side power resides in one individual making them far more powerful than any lone Jedi since they don't actively seek out power. Palpatine broke from the Rule of Two to implement his own Rule of One where he keeps exploiting apprentices to help him become stronger until they no longer serve his purposes anymore or are becoming too strong and uncontrollable.

>>714995874
Nothing in the natural world breaks people’s necks telepathically and shoots lightning from their bodies, anon. You’re not understanding.
Natural killing is done to feed predators and on a higher level keep the ecosystem in check by keeping prey at manageable populations so plants can regrow. That is natural because things evolved to do it.
The Dark Side is slaughtering without reason and twisting the natural world to do it. That is unnatural.

>>714996090
wtf is this?

>>714992151
I think the Prequels make it even more kino because we see in the Prequels that Palpatine is a 4D chess master who accounts for every possibility, yet after he wins he becomes cushy and complacent, and that’s ultimately his downfall.

>>714996139
>Nothing in the natural world breaks people’s necks telepathically and shoots lightning from their bodies, anon.
By this logic every sentient tool user species joined Dark Side upon the first ever member of them picking up their first stone or stick.

>The Dark Side is slaughtering without reason
As far as I remember, all sith violence was as motivated as any other violence performed by a sentient being as a part of struggle for power or maintaining that power.

>>714990676 (OP)
They're good at founding totalitarian governments and military organization.

>>714990676 (OP)
genuine question, what, in lore, is the appeal of the dark side outside of power? like, power to what, exactly? kill your enemies, conquer planets, sure, whatever. but is that really that appealing for anyone when you have to work for the empire anyways?

>>714996207
SWTOR

The thing that let the Sith win was the Rule of Two, which limits backstabbing by capping the amount of Sith around.

>>714992151
What blindsides him is love itself because it's a fantasy story. He could never imagine in a million years Vader still had love left him because he doesn't understand it himself as he's pure cartoon evil meaning he has no concept being good for the sake of being good. To him being "good" is just an act to get something to benefit himself. So like psychopaths he just does what people claims as "good" to get on their good side before he begins to manipulate them. This is why he doesn't see Luke's refusal to turn or Vader's betrayal because he only understands hatred and negativity. He can only imagine what he would do and his mind killing is correct because power and domination over others is all that matters.

Then you get his death in Episode 9 where he dies because some girl had two lightsabers, made an X with them and pushed his lightning back at him, making him fly into a stone facing and blowing up. There's just so much going on.

>>714996571
Using tools CREATED FROM THE NATURAL WORLD =/= getting angry and shooting lightning out of your fingers, how is this so difficult for you?
And I know you didn’t just say that about Sith violence, do you even participate in this franchise? Sith violence is literally slaughter for frivolous reasons. The first kill might be justified but not the next. Eventually you’re just Vader killing anyone for a perceived slight.
If a Jedi takes out a Sith because said Sith is literally about to destroy a planet full of people, that is protecting the natural order of things and is quite different from a Sith killing an underling because they “failed.” In the eyes of the Force, the Sith cut a life short for no reason. It’s not natural.

>>714994417

>>714996710
My headcanon is that the dark side mind breaks you into being the force's bitch and the force is sadist as fuck. Jedi are basically like monks to keep the sadist mind breaking at bay.

>>714992367
He did think he had Vader mentally broken at that point since he had no one else left in his life and Palpatine was literally the only person who ever praised him about his power and strength. It was either join him or live on the run with the Empire constantly going after him and anyone finding out who he is and what he did would also make things far more difficult.

>>714995242
>>714995670
not that anon and i'm literally dominican and i thought she was indian too. i can see it in the real actress, but that in-game model looks indian as fuck.

>>714997026
>The thing that let the Sith win was the Rule of Two
No it was writing the Jedi to be absolutely retarded because Lucas couldn't come up with a smarter story for how the Republic became the Empire which snuffed out the Jedi.

>>714996710
>What is the appeal of getting power and dominating others?

>>714991181
Fuck no, coomzoom. All the inquisitors are fucking gay and lame.

>>714997081
>This is why he doesn't see Luke's refusal to turn or Vader's betrayal
As a highly competent and successful schemer, it is given that he should possess a sublime ability to discern people.
And you don't even need it on sublime level, basic would be enough, to understand both.
>Vader is capable of betrayal of absolutely inhuman scale and evilness, he destroyed basically people who were genuinely close to him, backstabbing his evil superior is nothing compared to that
>Luke's entire system of values has him seeing you as a fucking Satan, why would he trust you? It is completely normal and expected that he will tell you to fuck off. And there are no leverages to use like with Vader and his wife.
It was an asspull of the most shameless variety. Sheev suddenly becoming retarded is basically the same thing as his soldiers suddenly forgetting how to aim their guns.

>>714996710
>power to what, exactly? kill your enemies, conquer planets, sure, whatever.
you answered it yourself. why do you think people don't throw in the towel and retire once they hit $1B in assets? they won't spend that before they die unless it's in the pursuit of more money. it makes sense if you think of power like units of force that you can use to act on the world as you see fit.

>>714997453
It just looks really ugly. Cal Kestis and Merrin look fine but Cere and her apprentice look like uncanny, Gollum abominations.

>>714991764
then he killed it again because of a bad dream

>>714996710
You wouldn't understand because you're the type of person who only wants power over themself. You don't really pleasure or purpose from having control over others. In other words, you're a decent person. Some people they genuinely just light up with joy and energy when they get to boss people around. Like you average middle manager for example. It's the only thing they have.

>>714997453
>>714998081
It's the eye area that is the problem. Cere looks weird as fuck in the game, her actress looks normal in real life.

>>714998208
I guess that explains why he was so smug

>>714997824
Well it was never originally explained how Palpatine became Emperor. At the time he was just very powerful evil wizard. In the original novelization of the first Star Wars the prologue explained the Emperor was just some dude who had become apathetic to the plight of the people as the other organizations under him like the military were gaining more power for themselves. Lucas even originally planned on Palpatine being a secret "true Emperor" controlling the one in public as a puppet and he resided in the caves deep near the center Coruscant. He wasn't originally scene as this 4D chess playing mastermind outwitting everyone. He was just an evil powerful wizard that took over and made an empire out of what was once a democratic republic. That's all you needed to know because you were originally dropped into the middle of the story and not a multigenerational franchise that has been flesh out through various pieces of media. How he made Anakin turn evil wasn't known other than "he was seduced by the power."

>>714998712
Yeah, video companies really emphasize Debra's lower eyelids, making her always look like she hasn't slept in days and busted all the capillary veins in her lower eyelid by rubbing them, making them dark and puffy.

>>714999161
They mostly fixed it in the sequel. Mostly.

>>714998712
>It's the eye area that is the problem
yea, the heavy eye shadow and the bright green eyes really make her look more indian than dominican. the hair, too. that's just natural straight hair, not straightened curly hair the way the actress has it in the left pic of >>714995242.

>>714992428
I don't. Could you please elaborate?

>>714999483
They ultimately fixed it by killing her character off, lol.

>>715001075
She's a good character despite the forced grifter Debra Wilson hateboner

>>714995981
This gif will never not make me happy.

>>714992253
You will never be a real Skywalker. You have no robot arm, you have never suffered. You are a female Palpatine who got everything handed to you on a silver platter, twisted by lies and the dark side into a crude mockery of George Lucas’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents left you on a desert planet because they were disgusted and ashamed of you, your “rebel friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Jedi are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of teachings have allowed Jedi to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Sith who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a Jedi. Your yellow eyes are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk Jedi to let his guard down, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected face twisted by the dark side.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a blaster, load it, shoot yourself, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents won't find you because they're dead. Your rebel friends will bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Palpatine is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably Sith.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>714992253
Who taught her how to do that?

>>715002859
She was.....
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........
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ALL the Jedi. That's how she learned.

Seriously, what the FUCK was that delivery? I know Daisy isn't exactly Audrey Hepburn, but that delivery was abysmal. It comes across as a My Immortal line

>>715002859
Okay, but seriously. Why is he shooting his finger magic at the saber instead of just blasting this guy in the face, or the legs, or anywhere other than directly at his lightsaber lol.

>>715004353

>>715004171
kek i've never seen this webm, that is horrendous acting

>>715004353
Dindu using the Force to reflect it back.
>>715004636
tsmt

>>714992151
>>714996409
>>714997081
Fucking NEEERDS

>>715004948

>>714990676 (OP)
god i hope they stick the landing with jedi 3

>>715004353
I always got the sense that either lightsabers attracted lightning, or Jedi could channel it towards their sabers to nullify it.

>>714994285
> system of power like this must have unquestioning loyalty as one of its main fundamental components.
It doesn't. Again, the reasoning is that the strong prevail to make the Sith stronger. It's about increasing the power with every iteration.

>If Palpatine wanted to create a successful galaxy-spanning government.
He didn't, he wanted to dominate. He wanted to exert his power, which you see on more than one occasion in the comics by making Väder his bitch.

För Sith power lies in dominating others. It isn't about building an Empire or fostering growth; it's about power for the sake of being powerful.

>The main reason why sci fi is a serious genre and fantasy isn't
To dismiss an entire genre with a handwave is dense to say the least. The one genre does not cancel out the other, and concepts of humanity can be explored in both via analogues.

Again just because you dislike a piece of writing does not for that fact make it bad writing.

You're in charge of redoing the Star Wars sequels. Who is your villain this time?

>>715008503
Someone like Snoke but he has two apprentices instead because we never saw two Sith (Dark Side) guys fighting together in a movie.

>>715008503
entirely copy the revan storyline with rey

>>715008503
I just steal the Thrawn trilogy, rework a few plot lines to fit in with the prequels, have the OT characters in the place of the major players in the books, then have the next generation play the roles the OT crew did.

Luke is the only wasp in the jam since he doesn't have a counterpart, so I'd have him be busy wiping out the failed jedi clones that Thrawn releases from Mt Tantis as a distraction, then have him swoop in to save the day when necessary to show Thrawn doesn't grasp the true scale of the force.

>>715002859
So why did he keep shocking his own face instead of stopping and trying to faint mace.
Or better yet why not get space plastic surgery?

>>714991613
>>714991741
It's fascinating that this is all election tourists want to make a a good game in their opinion

>>715008503
>Who is your villain this time?
A cabal of evil corporations that kidnap and enslave kids, while doing everything they can to demoralize and break the inhabitants of the galaxy into an uncaring zombie-like state.

There should be a Lop game

>>714991550
In the prequels there were very few Sith, it was mainly just Palpatine playing the long game for several decades, that's why he's legitimately the best character in the prequels, he legitimately earnt the position he had in the OT.
Unlimited Power isn't him frying Windu, it's not Anakin becoming Vader and it isn't even building the Death Star, it's destroying the Rebellion before they can target the Death Star's one weakpoint, with them out of the way the Death Star wouldn't have a weakness, no one would dare oppose the Emperor, unlimited power is Palpatine winning the Star Wars.

>>715004353
There's clearly more going on than just a Sith's aim. Obi-Wan is able to block Dooku's lightning as well; there's either something about a lightsaber itself that allows a Jedi to block Force Lightning or they're utilizing some sort of Force technique to redirect it into the blade where it can't do any harm.

>>714992602
Palpatine literally wins in that ending you dingus. Rey kills him, thus allowing him to take over her body.
Vader and Luke tell a better story about the dangers of letting revenge and hate consume you. Luke discards his weapon before the emperor, knowing that if he slayed him in this moment, he would fall to the Dark Side. Instead, his father makes the move, already corrupted, and saves his son from falling while redeeming himself.

>>715010714
The ST could have been saved by having a shot of Rey's hand trembling at her side

>>715008503
Jerec. I basically just redo the Dark Forces games as movies, using Kyle's mercenary status as a way to explore in more detail the nature of the Force separate from Jedi and Sith dogma, and the balance of power in the New Republic.

>>715004353
Windu's using Form 7's redirection of the dark-side to redirect Palp's lightning instead of his own darkness. At least, that's what the Novelization said.
>>715009726
It was a bid to look weak and pathetic for Anakin to take the move and Fall
>Plastic Surgery
He actually already has, the lightning zapped away the Sith Alchemy that he was using to look like a normal guy

Part of the issue of the rule of fucking cool with Vader, is that showcasing his atrocities and all the crazy evil shit he did outside of the core movies in things like games, the EU, etc, makes him even harder to "forgive" in the way that he supposedly brought balance to the force.

This isn't even TOUCHING how the sequel trilogy shat all over that "resolution" that lucas had set up as the end of Vader's story. It basically just said none of that crazy shit even mattered since palpatine had some cloning cult holed away somewhere. Vader actually did end up being the chosen one, but only after suffering immense loss and pain and murdering the younglings, I guess? George was always hacky but Vader has to be the baddest badass of all time but then also... I love u dad it's all ok let's go hang out with da ewoks and eat some bbq!

Star wars is basically just good if you take each title in isolation and enjoy it as a fantasy sci-fi western. The second you put it up against any real scrutiny, you're going to lose your fucking mind.

>>714997340
Realistically Vader would have committed lightsaber seppuku the first chance he got.

SUCH BEAUTIFUL BHARATI WOMAN IS THE BEST
PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND PURCHASE THE VIDEO GAME

>>715012830
It's funny because you can literally skip the original Trilogy and just watch the Prequels and the Sequels to get the full story of Star Wars according to Disney. Nothing in the OT matters at all.

>>715013039
Because the goal was to shit on the OT.

>>715012830
It works in star wars because the dark side literally fucks with your mind. Vader isn't just someone who felt like being a cunt after he had a bad day and then doubled down on it when he realised what he'd done; he got addicted to magic meth until watching his son getting barbecued gave him a moment of lucidity.

>>715013039
The sequel trilogy is such a waste. They had no goddamn clue what to do. They were setting it up to basically subvert the previous 6 movies dynastic shit regarding luke and vader being genetic force freaks who are just better than everyone else by saying
>anyone can be a jedi
>rey's lineage does NOT matter we have no idea who her parents are
>look, these war refugees are force sensitive

Then they just decided
>lol nvm rey is palpatine's grandbaby because sheev FUCKS now. THEY FUCK NOW

Lol you whiners saying she's a mary sue who can do literally everything, she's secretly the midichlorian master of masters and your lineage defines you. But you get to pick your name so what do choose to do? You pick the name of the OTHER most powerful lineage. We're basically just fully force aristocratic now. Who fucking cares!!!!!!!!

Fuck you JJ holy shit

>>715013616
>>anyone can be a jedi
>>rey's lineage does NOT matter we have no idea who her parents are
>>look, these war refugees are force sensitive
This never resonated with me, because it's talking to the audience, not the characters.
There is no reason anyone ever thought rey's parents were special, because anyone, be they jedi or sith, not named skywalker was a nobody too.
And to rub salt in the wound, rey doesn't give a single shit about being abandoned when it's revealed. All the focus on the scene is her parents being nobodies.
It was smugly winking at the camera while wasting everyone's time with a revelation that should have been met with
>so fucking what?
Christ just remembering this makes me despise that potato headed faggot even more.
JJ's a hack but at least everyone can agree he is.

>>714992253
How exactly does having a second lightsaber make her able to suddenly fight back against his force lightning? Why didn't she just force throw the lightsaber at him to force him to either redirect the lightning or get bisected? I am so glad there are no videogames about this shitshow, because I would hate them.

>>715013973
I'm exhausted. It was so bad that when Rogue One came out I was actually into it but only as a fucking spy/ww2 movie. It didn't even have to be star wars.

I do have to say that the vader scene in the theatre, unspoiled, made me do the pointing wojak with my family

>>714990676 (OP)
>how where the sith a threat at all with all the literal backstabbing they did to eachother?

I'm under the general impression (not that I've consumed much Star Wars media) that the Sith are purposefully reactionary and inherently self-culling or self-eliminating.
This post sounds the most correct: >>714990962 Sith exist just to kill other Jedi, Jedi need to die because if they're allowed to prosper they'll subvert the government, steal kids, establish a theocracy, and create imbalance in the galaxy. Sith cull Jedi and then when the Jedi are (mostly) gone they begin to hack down their own kind out of paranoia, boredome, infighting, etc.. And then the Jedi replenish themselves.

It's balance. The whole thing is a natural cycle of two 'extremes' keeping one another in check.

>>714990676 (OP)
this bitch was about to switch to the other side
vader probably also always hounding her considering her past connection to debra wilson

>>715014449
ok so what "balance" exists at the end of 9? Last time the sith got beaten, they apparently were able to hide, clone their daddy, and make a death planet that can destroy an entire solar system from across the galaxy. What's next?

>>715014201
Lego star wars : the skywalker saga

>>715013616
>>715013973
It was Kathleen Kennedy, not JJ.

>>714994118
The thing is the dark side will never go away. It will always be there on the edge of force user's perceptions. It can recede and go dormant for centuries until the next person draws too much from it and starts the entire cycle again. The galaxy is doomed to eternally war over the force as the EU shows us.
Maybe only way to end the constant cycle of war is to find a way to unify jedi and sith together. Good luck with that.

>>715014678
>implying it wasn't a team effort

They brought JJ on because he "Revived" star trek. They wanted to do the same thing and used his ideas explicitly. Kathleen is responsible for hiring and relying on him but he is absolutely key, just as much as Rian's bizarre choices led to JJ desperately scrambling to try to "fix" them and making it much much worse.

>>715014678
TFA was half KK half JJ, because there's articles at the time bitching about how often he'd do his own thing without consulting anyone. Luke not being involved was specifically because JJ couldn't find a way for him to not steal the spotlight from Rey, which was a clear Kennedy mandate.

TLJ was entirely KK, with Rian as her dancing monkey, and you can tell because of how utterly amateurish the script was. I'm not talking about the abhorrent themes and character rape, but due to utterly nonsensical script decisions that any revision would have caught.
Details like the Finn casually flying across the galaxy despite the whole plot being about them being chased, for example, should have been caught and given some handwave explanation in the first wave of edits.
The fact that these easily solved issues are so rife indicates that there weren't any revisions at all, and for all his faults Rian isn't that type of egotist.

RoS was all JJ, because they realised a year too late that they couldn't browbeat people into accepting TLJ and he was the only person willing to take the job.

>>715004353
Force lightning is like pissing, you don't cut off mid-stream.

>>714991181

>>714996710
Power = having freedom and control over the weak. Glory and pleasure are nice rewards too.

>>715014803
The Darth Bane series is so kino. Even my least favorite, Rule of Two, is amazing. I'm glad they barely touched him outside of that stupid Clone Wars episode.

>>715015773
I loved the fact you can see Bane's humanity get drained out of him the further down the path he goes.
In book one he's lively, prideful, gets a kick out of fucking with people and genuinely wants to help the few Sith he actually likes.
Come book three and he's basically the terminator until Zannah pisses him off by violating the rule of two's spirit.

>>715015773
In a better world we got a Darth Bane adaption instead of The ACK-olyte

>>715014803
>The thing is the dark side will never go away. It will always be there on the edge of force user's perceptions. It can recede and go dormant for centuries until the next person draws too much from it and starts the entire cycle again. The galaxy is doomed to eternally war over the force as the EU shows us.
Hence why the franchise is called Star WARS, not Star War and Peace, it's an entertainment universe, it will NEVER find peace because it exists solely to give us our flashy light show. And that's a good thing, Star Wars doesn't have to be anything else.

will she be in jedi 3?
what are the chances?

>>715020153
Would be nice to wrap up her and Quinlan’s romance. It would distract a lot from Cal’s story though.

>>714990676 (OP)
Since they’re all powerfags alliances are only for the sake of convenience. The only reason it’s not happening constantly is because the one that benefits needs them until they can benefit and the one that is being used thinks they can take power in the situation.

>>715020321
>Would be nice to wrap up her and Quinlan’s romance
anon...they already did

>>715014950
>>715015071
Wasn't there some dumb shit about how Rey in the moment of saying "And I am all the Jedi!" is meant to be a represented self-insert for fans or some dumb shit like that

>>714992253
>This is a much better ending.

>>715013973
I still have no idea why so many people thought that Rey coming from nowhere meant something. The prequels were FILLED with Jedi from random places

>>715021304
Fucking Obi-Wan, basically the perfect Jedi, only even has a home planet if you take an off-the-cuff joke from Lucas as canon.

>>714991181
The writing is mediocre. It's fine, I admit it, but I'm fucking sick of people telling me that Star Wars shit is soooo poorly written that Fallen Order is a breath of fresh air!

Maybe that's true, lord knows I haven't seen any big star wars media that was better written than this game, but it doesn't matter. The game is 6 years old and I don't care about it being the cream of the shittiest crop. Its still just ok. Nothing special, very boring at times, no good twists, no interesting characters, just templates. Cal is not really a person, he's just a plot device who has very measured reactions to things.

The writing is mediocre, so no whoever they hired to write it is not the answer.

>>715021304
It's a problem that comes from Rey being freakishly strong in TFA. ALL of the strong nobodies trained hard to reach where they are, while she's beating Kylo five days after learning the Force is real. It's basically a cope to deal with the inconsistency

>>715014201
It's a metaphor and shit nigga

>>715020639
When? Did she find out he's dead or something?

>>715015085
Kegal exercises can work for Sith too, anon.

>>715010079
cease not in these earthly pleasures

>>715021716
I found the characters much more interesting in the sequel. Cal just needed some more experience and hair on his chin. I like how he's so sick of everything by the end and dipping into the dark side.

Why did Fallen Order run 100x better than Survivor?
>Fallen Order: UE4
>Survivor: UE5
You literally cannot make this shit up. What the fuck?

Rule of 2 is a fun concept and works when you do think too much into it but it makes no sense.

>A master and apprentice
>The apprentice learns everything becoming more powerful then the master
>Kills master
>Sith as a whole gets stronger every iteration because the apprentice is stronger than the previous master

Except what happens when you spend your entire life training an apprentice and he turns out weaker then you and your entire life was wasted and your too old to train another apprentice.

Except what happens if both of you die causing the sith to be wiped out.

There are too many ways it doesnt make sense.

>>715013039
It's intentional cultural vandalism, the amount of media churned out to humiliate white people these days is fucking insane

>>715022646
>We purposefully made our engine worse. As a joke.

>>715022541
The sequel was one step forward two steps back for me but I agree with you that he had much more presence in the sequel and was one of the steps forward.

The biggest shame to me was the villain, who was built up to be an incredible warrior who took on a horde single handed, waking up in a fugue, trying to process that everyone he knew and loved were dead, everything important to him was essentially gone, and falling to the darkside, pretty understandably, in real time right in front of Cal.

Then turns out he's a pussy ass bitch who gets his ass whooped multiple times, including immediately after his intro cut scene. What a fucking waste.

>>715022768
Palpatine was in his 80s and had three apprentices in rapid succession. I'm sure they'll be fine

>>715022979
They were all weaker than him though. Anakin probably had the potential to surpass him if he didnt get vaderfied. Palptatine had no intrest in the rule of 2, he wanted to rule himself forever.

>>715022768
Every writer who does the "literally everyone in the bad guy race is constantly looking to murder every other member of their race at any possible moment their back is turned" is a fucking hack.

It never, ever makes sense. Ever. They cribbed it from Tolkien, as with most things, but Tolkien had a supreme, godlike presence forcing his backstabbing Orcs and Goblins to become a cohesive threat. No society would function that way without such an inviolable presence at the top that is unable to be countermanded.

>>715014584
>What's next?
Hopefully nothing, the dead horse has been beaten so bad the carcass no longer exists.

>>714990676 (OP)
Because all it took was a single one of them to almost entirely annihilate the jedi when the jedi were, at the time, a cornerstone of galactic politics.

The Rule of Two was a bad idea, however.
The best of the Sith rose to the top not by outsmarting the jedi, but by outsmarting each other. The Rule of Two lowered their level of competitiveness.
And that's why the Sith were a threat. Competing against the entire galactic political machine and the jedi was Easy Mode.

>>715010143
They rhyme.

>>715022883
Honestly, how did they get away with it? No matter where I look, UE5 seems to be performance poison and no one can tell me everyone was holding it wrong.

>>714991458
>>714990676 (OP)

>>715023252
Dating/Marriage simulator with Merrin as a slice of life game where Cal just teaches their twin son and daughter how to be Jedi.

>>715014584
The only solution is to literally just retcon the whole thing. Will Disney have the balls? I don't know.

I firmly believe the CIS could handle the Yuuzhan Vong invasion

>>714992602
I don't care about the democratization of heroism or any of that gay shit.
Star Wars was just supposed to be a really fucking cool space-age Hero's Journey and it didn't need to be anything more complicated than that.
The EU was where authors were allowed to get complicated and introspective and all that shit.
The EU was where anyone could be a hero.

Fuckin' sick of this "WEHH, WE NEED TO GIVE ANCIENT STORY-TELLING TROPES A MODERN SHAKE-UP"
Those tropes have been around for thousands of years. The modern story-telling shake-up has been around for about twenty years and everyone is already sick of subverted expectations and deep-dives into the psychology of who-gives-a-shit.
These faggot writers have already outlived their own magnum opus of story construction.

And the Hero's Journey continues on.
From the Epic Of Gilgamesh to beyond.

how do I get my Sith GF to dress more skimpily?

>>715024092
Tell her clothing is a jedish trick.

>>715022947
Yeah Dagan could have been done way better. Should have had him and Cal work together getting to know each other for some time before Dagan betrays him.
We never got to see him interact with the Empire either. They could have expanded on the idea of him trying to rashly fight the Empire head on and maybe trying to create his own Jedi Order instead of MUH TANALORR.
At least the boss fights were fun.

>>715023645
>Yuuzhan Vong invasion
The hwat?

>>715008503
Honestly, I don't even have to change TFA. I alter TLJ.
>Snoke is a failed clone of Palpatine
>being a failed clone still nets him great power and influence
>wanting to prove himself as the true Palpatine, he challenges the New Republic
>even manages to take Ben Solo as his apprentice (Kylo Ren)
>TLA happens as normal
>TLJ starts with Kylo trying to be the next Vador for Snoke
>with the unintended help of Rey, he realizes that he can be his own man, rather than be the next Vador, or Snoke's Vador to be exact.
>Snoke, realizing this, tries to submit Kylo, only for him to fail miserably, with Kylo killing him without any fanfare.
>"Let the past die, kill it if you have to."
It was all right there, but Rian was too busy smelling his own farts and the execs were too incompetent to breath.

>>715024279
Tanalorr changes a mf'er...

>>714991181
>"Only good Star Wars in the Disney Era"
>Has Filioni's lore, the Retcon Dathomir, the rebel inquisitors, High Republic slop, Cal being set up to be a Rey Cuck

that cope

>>714990676 (OP)
>>714991181
I haven't cared about star was since like 1993 but I saw the image in the catalogue and thought it was an AI image.

>>715010143
Darth Plagueis was the one that located, installed Sheev in the Naboo parliament and boosted him to the Galactic Senate; all part of his former master's master's machinations, Darth Tenebrous, who wanted to hitchhike from Plagueis' midichlorians to the Chosen One, which he foresaw Plagueis bringing about the creation of indirectly. Plagueis' meddling caused the force to 'create' Anakin, as the Force needed a countermeasure against Plagueis'/Tenebrous' very nearly successful pursuit of everlasting life. Sheev killing his master almost tilted the scales back towards the light side as his possessed master's midichlorians that were haunted by the apprentice of the OG rule of 2 guy died with him in his sleep.

This is all pre-Disney and my memory is a little spotty so do not bitch at me about gay nu-Star Wars fucking everything up.

>>715024213
what do you do about the pale skin, veins, and bloodshot eyes?

>>714990676 (OP)
Sith reformists lost the civil war against the Sith traditionalists. Change is not easy, especially against fighting hordes of maniacs who love to kick puppies for fun and steal candy from children.

>>715024713
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mask_(Sith_Alchemy)

>>715023645
If you can convince the council of jews to open their wallets, sure.

>>715024317
>What if Star Wars got invaded by the dark eldar from Warhammer 40K?

>>715024783
Why didn't they just fill their army with commando droids and droidekas?

>>715024572
Tenebrous also foresaw Krayt and his Rule of One.

>>715025162
They fought the war cheaply, top of line battle droids cost serious money.

>>714991550
No because rey snackmaster is still alive

>>714991550
In Disney star wars yes, the NJO was never rebuilt and Siddious got his way in destroying the Skywalkers (aka the counter to the Sith) at the end of TROS. Rey's a fake Jedi and is more of a Sith than a Jedi (but that's the norm of Disney star wars, the "good guys" making dark side choices and actions, i.e Ashoka.)

The Star Wars galaxy really is a horrible place to live in once you look past the funny aliens and droids.

>>715025162
>forgetting supers

>>715024713
>the pale skin, veins, and bloodshot eyes
Masturbate.

>>715025162
because those are expensive
you can flood a battlefield with b1's and some b2's and do the same thing but cheaper
the biggest reason why the cis lost the war is because they kept on getting kneecapped by sheev and dooku to keep the stalemate until anakin could be turned
you really only need commando droids and droidekas to deal with arc troopers and commandos, and they only attack strategic targets
jedi can be overwhelmed by b1 blaster fire if the battlefield is chaotic enough

>>715024497
>Filioni's lore
What's the problem?
>the Retcon Dathomir
It's an improvement
>the rebel inquisitors
They all die
>High Republic slop
Fair
>Cal being set up to be a Rey Cuck
Never going to happen

>>715026067
Droids are the biggest victims
>canonically sentient
>no one cares about them not even the jedi

>>715026518
filoni's lore is just pilfering the eu for ideas and executing them worse, usually butchering the characters he stole for the worse
the inquisitors are comically incompetent, to the point where i have to ask why they ever bothered to make them to begin with
the grand inquisitor dies because some guy at padawan level figured out to just stick his lightsaber into the gap in the spinning inquisitor saber, it's a joke

>>715023452
It's the forced ray tracing on top of the texture streaming shit it does.

>>715026740
No midichlorians, no rights. Those are the rules.

>>715024783
>These freaky machine hating guys are really cutting into our profits
It's that simple

>>715026518
Granted, it's almost a 55-60 year gap to the Rey Sequels and I don't think Disney will have Cal be like a Count Dooku/Jerec/Kyle Katarn, Kota, fit human males at advance age (unlike Ashoka/Vernestra Rwoh).

>>715024783
Poor Nute

>>714998863
He...or it was also reptilian. Fun fact!: Bowie was considered to play the Emperor.
>>715010079
Kemono a shit.

Never forget.

>>715014584
>>715023252
>>715023558
Oh, you sillies, you think Disney was bad, you should read the original Expanded Universe novels where Palpatine comes back TWICE thanks to cloning and there's all sorts of other insane shit like the Yuuzan Vong. The only worthwhile story in the old EU was the Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy, and he's so liked they brought him into the new canon.

>>715027724
>we have this amazing backdrop and are gifted and a clean slate to flesh out this entire galaxy
>uhhh let's make them gay nigger lesbians witches or something I guess haha

Literally handed a GOLDEN ticket. An they some how fucking ruined it. lmao
>women
Not even once!

>>715027921
Consider that the EU, despite its varying quality, was still vastly better than anything in the sequels.

>>715023434
She looks like she is considering going human exclusive

>>715027921
Vong are based. No one can ever explain why they're bad or don't belong in setting.

>>715028097
>we have this amazing backdrop and are gifted and a clean slate to flesh out this entire galaxy
>lets remake the OT but make it gayer

nu trilogys greatest crime is being rehashed sloppa. I'd rather a risky failure than a milquetoast snoozefest. But it was always going to be quippy gay nonsense regardless of plot

Star Wars would have been a thousand times better like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MebZx-4950

>>715028362
The Last Jedi and The Acolyte were the most interesting things Disney made but also the worst.

>>714990676 (OP)
consider the sith be like michael jordan playing a bunch of highschoolers and then going gambling afterwards

>>714992501
MCU may be slop, but it did this scene far better than Disney's mess of a SW continuation ever could.

>>715028891
They actually had a bunch of movies that developed Tony Stark as a character and Thanos as a threat, which helps a lot. The line is also a call-back to when Stark admitted that he was Iron Man in the first movie.
In RoS, they literally just say "I am all the X" for no reason. Closest thing to a pay-off is Rey being able to speak to the Jedi of the past, but that's a problem purely introduced in this movie and is barely touched upon. You can argue that Luke trying to redeem Vader is RotJ exclusive, but at least the movie spends a good portion of its runtime developing their relationship as son and wayward father.

>>714994285
I like the EU implication where the sith plan failed because Sheev jumped the gun because on account of being unwilling to not be the one who gets to win and live forever.
The whole rule of two was meant to make the republic complacent while building up soft power resources and cultivating strength in the Dark Side. When Mr. Lightning Hands was inducted he was this, realized that he would just be the last stepping stone on the path and it was the guy in Vader's position of the lineage that was meant to be the culmination, and went "fuck that", killed his master while he was drunk and sleeping, and pushed the plan ahead of schedule with the Galactic Civil War.

Like the idea of if the Sith had waited just one more generation the Republic and Jedi would of fallen into such disrepair that it would of gone off without a hitch but sociopathic greed overcame generations of discipline because that what happens when you use the Dark Side, just feels right.

>Le Darth Vader is so powerful
Lol for real though he's mid as fuck post Mustafar, literally no canon feats worth a shit

>>714990676 (OP)
I remember losing a lot of faith in this series the moment this happened. They spend a lot of time developing the Second Sister as a villain, establish her tragic backstory and what connects her to the heroes, and then at the end they seem to have so little faith in their original characters that they just say, "Fuck it, here's your Darth Vader fanservice out of nowhere to be the actual final threat."

"Whoops, uh-oh."

>>715029357
Vaderbros…this can’t be happening!

>>715023445
BTW the Jedi were completely right and there was nothing they could've done to stop Anakin (THE Chosen One and what the Saga is all about actually) from betraying them and wiping them out -t.George "Methodist Buddha of the West" Lucas Circa 2005+14

>>715029576
I watched the original version of this scene the other day and was blown away by how much better it is.
https://youtu.be/lM7-bg-KhQg?si=fc-f1NQaIthdqXsn
Why the fuck would George spend millions to make it worse?

>>715028517
>0:59

>>715030098
What's wrong with Jedi Rocks?

>>715029901
Starkiller clone couldn't beat Vader in a lightsaber and had to use lighting to beat him. And that was after Vader was taunting him about Juno.

>>715030306
Worse song and horrible CGI that’s very out of place.

>>715030382
Vader should put some rubber in his suit if he wants to stop jobbing to lightning

>>714990676 (OP)
>if only you knew the power of the google play card

>>715030306
As much as I like Jedi Rocks as a song, the scene is too polished and distracting. The original scene shown >>715030098 feels like a live performance at a shady club, which is what's presented. Jedi Rocks feels like an out-of-place, glitzy musical number roughly edited into shady club. I would expect Jerry Hey to be performing this for a music video, not Epstein planet.

>>715027921
the stupid mother father shit is in the legends universe along with all their retarded BS and they directly interact with main characters like Leia so I don't think people from outside of your observed galaxy that are immune to the matter-manipulating bugs in your bloodstream are that far-fetched.

Will she be important in the next game?

>>715027492
Kys nigger

>>715031490
>becomes Cal's padawan
>follows him around and fights with him
>they get costumes based on Clone Wars Anakin and Ahsoka
Would be based.

>>715025162
Same reason the republic didn't buy a 1 billion colones.
Money

>>714990676 (OP)
Let me put it this way for you. Trump is still a threat even after all the backstabbing he does.

>>715009082
They really should have just used the Thrawn trilogy as a basis for the movies. Everyone would've been satisfied, if not actually excited.

Wifebeater and mullet is best outfit.

>>715032167
Just print more.

The point was to slowly but surely create more and more powerful sith through selective pressure. Eventually this culminated in the rule of a sith lord who was basically the devil and oversaw glactic suffering on an unprecidented scale along with the destruction of entire plsnets. He tried to will into existence an even more powerful successor, but the force itself refused his efforts, and he essentially gave up and accepted his existence as the final Sith Lord.

>>715029901
Such a pointless sequel. I'm kinda glad we never got a third game it probably would have ended with Starkiller dying for a third time.

>>715032397
That's because of cult of personality and everyone just following him out of greed and fear.
Actually, Sheev's rise is similar to trump's seizing power and the death of democracy in American because they both took advantage of a broken system and created the very problems they promised to fix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSqjRgh2ZY&pp=ygUTZGVtb2NyYWN5IHN0YXIgd2Fycw%3D%3D

The only real big difference is we don't know how Sheev controlled the media like trump does.

>>714990852
>>714990676 (OP)
None of this is canon.

>>715032969
Who is the Epstein of Star Wars?

>>715032969
Trump's biggest promise was to solve the immigration crisis; I fail to see how he can be held liable for the Hart Celler Act of 1965. Protip, retard, democracy isn't dead just because people no longer agree with your retarded ideals.

>>715033251
RELEASE THE DAMASK FILES! HE DIDN'T DIE IN AN ACCIDENT!

>>715033391
He solved it? We've completely closed the borders, built the walls, and exterminated all the illegals?

Let's get back to Star Wars instead of talking about IRL politics, please.

>>715033391
Republicans crated the immigration crisis by refusing to crack down on and even enabling businesses that hire them. But shills like you don't care.
Makes you wonder if Sheev had shills running damage control for all of his acts. Like the destruction of Alderaan.

>>715033251
Who was closely associated with and murdered by sheevs, but he made it look like a suicide? ala what trump did with epstein.

>>715033692
De wanna wanga.

>>715031490
She's pretty chill about her dad getting murdered

>>715033251
Chancellor Valorum

i want to talk about cosplay
how do you make this shit without a 3d printer? the indents seem hard to do with any sort of plastic material

>>715033857
I will hear no talk of Jabba's wanga.

>>715034348
The old fashion way, you make the armor out of clay and then create plaster molds of it, where you then use fiberglass to build the armor.

Being a sith is fucking dumb.

>>714991171
>In retrospect TOR was really a good game.
No. It wasn't.

>>715035429
Sith = chads
Jedi = incels

>>714990676 (OP)

>>714996710
It’s not really a lore thing, it’s all about emotion most of the sith are utterly histrionic and sort of just chimp out at the drop of a hat. They’re unstable since that’s where they draw their power from, the inner turmoil. Jedi are by contrast autists that do everything to sort of distance themselves from that sort of shit and completely from attachment itself. It’s pretty unhealthy on both ends but the Jedi tend to have more orderly conduct and relations so they’re portrayed over all as being good. But in the end the best thing to do is find a balance between the two.

>>715036759
>Find balance between the version of the fore which is natural, and the version which rots you from the inside.
The real way to go about it is to be light side but embrace The Living Force instead of keeping it at arms length.
Then all you have to do is not be an asshole and your fine.

>>715037829
The power of the dark side does not debilitate the practitioner as much as it debilitates those who lack it. The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of.

>mandalorian was great until the kid came back
Fucking marketable plushies ruin everything decent

What’s the alien you want to fuck the most from Star Wars? For me it’s Pantorans

>>715038606
>>715037829
>>715036759
Isn't the Dark Side just trying to subjugate the Force to YOUR will?

>>715025162
The bigger and more powerful droid units cost money and resources. The Seperatists did have the Trade Federation and Banking Clan but you still need workers and machinery and parts to build these droids and maintain them. This is why theres a war for dominion of the galaxy, in the first place.

>>715039258
It’s kinda funny droidekas weren’t bought with money but meat

>>714995874
The Force is an empathetic power, it is a feedback loop on emotions so using the Dark Side of the force as megalomaniac psycho makes everything around you and sharing some sort of relationship to you twisted and more psychopathic.

That's what Lucas mean by Balance, a Jedi taps on the Force which is the collective emphatic power of all living beings without letting it twist themselves mentallh or corrupt everything around them.

>>715039136
Yes but it’s done through emotion and passion. It’s all about being impulsive and kind of shitty.

the dark side is more powerful than the light, 1 sith = 1000 jedis

>>715039136
>>715040730
The new lore gave an example of it that is so cheesy and blatant that it serves as a perfect example.
The kyber crystals that in the old lore were just some resonant crystals of various types and shapes have become crystal hivemind heavily attuned to the force. So when Jedi go to get their crystals the Jedi needs to make a force bond with them to get them working, after which the crystal makes the lightsaber blade a color that suits the user.

So for red lightsabers the process is now that a dark side user needs to take a crystal that already formed a bond with someone else and forcibly subjugate it through dumping intense amounts of their own pain and conflict into the crystal until its mindbroken and subservient to have it make a red beam.
Literal Lightsaber NTR-Rape.

god i fucking wish TOR wasn't a shitty MMO

>>715040737
That's only after The Rule of Two get put into place.
before that there were a ton of shitty Sith that jobbed to Jedi and plenty of "Dark Jedi" jobbers since.
Darth Bane implementing the "One Master, One Apprentice, the Apprentice is meant learn from the Master and become strong enough to usurp the Master and take on their own Apprentice, if a better Apprentice candidate comes along set them against your current one and teach the winner, repeat until you become unbeatable" survival of the fittest regimen that lasted a thousand years selected for the strongest guys by the end.
An entire galaxy of sociopathic freaks who would be great in the dark side constantly refreshing itself to chose from and to test against each other while cultivating spiritual and martial techniques will obviously lead to strong as fuck guys.
Its not the dark side, its a cultural form of eugenics.

>>714992803
You can tell it's AI cause it uses a lot of dashes, even correctly, and nobody does that.

>>715041462
yet Maul still jobbed to a fucking Padawan lmao

>>715027921
>Be me
>Binging star wars
>Decide to check out the full timeline of media and in-universe shit
>Discover that there's 3000 years of lore before the prequels even happen
>Relevance to the Skywalker saga in this media ranges from none to miniscule
>Discover that there's also about 300 years of lore about what happens after Palpatine dies (again)
>Barely 10% of this lore is remotely interesting
>Other 90% involves random shit like chinese sounding other-wordly aliens invading the galaxy for no reason

EU fags are truly the worst breed of autist because they don't realise that the more they write the less important the whole series becomes. The Skywalker saga happens over the course of about 30 years (60 if you count the sequels, which I am coming around to). This is the original and central story of star wars. Nobody gives a fuck about worldbuilding about how Glob Shitto united the galaxy 2000 years ago in an empire that lasted 3 months and is lost to galactic history. It's like if another universe watched a documentary on WW2. The prequels can be WW1, the sequels would be the Cold War and the EU would be Rome. Do you need to know what happened during the Roman Empire to understand WW2?

>>715041093
Do they have to stuff the lightsaber up their asses, too?

>>714990852
>>714991369
Was the Rule of Two the only way Sith could exist since they would eventually self-destruct themselves?

>>715041570
Yep because Maul wasn't ever the real apprentice, he was a filler slot until Sheev found someone better.
>>715041630
No but Rome was and is still cool to learn about.

>>715039314
Just ask Max Rebo, some good food can get you excellent performance and trade.

He was right. The sith and the jedi had to go and be completely destroyed so they don't resurface again.

>>715041630
I just think it's cool. I love irrelevant worldbuilding autism.

>>715027921
It's amazing how disney only managed to pick the worst parts of the EU to make canon
the whole empire collpases into warring successor kingdoms is way cooler and makes more sense than what happens in disney were the new republic is terminally braindead and just sort of shrugs as the first order rises just so we can have episode 7 being a worse version of 4

>>715041717
Nah but the silver ones are made by "healing" crystals that were previously mindbroken by a dark side user.
>>715041721
Pretty much, Bane realized that the Sith would keep on losing if they kept trying to backstab each other and so set off a bomb that killed all of them but himself and took on an apprentice while setting up The Rule of Two because nothing else would work.

>>715041846
It really is hilarious how Disney just retreaded the OT for the ST, right down to the same basic plot points. It's like when Nintendo made Metroid Other M, which was a horrible retread of Metroid Fusion with the exact same plot, location, and even some bosses.

>>714994417
i liked aphra..

>>715041813
Even if you did the nature of how the force works would lead to people getting together and experimenting to learn more about it, before getting dragged into a schism over using negative emotions or not.
The only difference is that the new Dark Side users wouldn't have an entire Dark Side aligned race to stumble upon and hypercharge the authority their belief system held.

>>714991181
>latina
More like pajeeta

>>715041846
>the whole empire collapses into warring successor kingdoms
PLAY SQUADRONS PLAY SQUADRONS PLAY SQUADRONS PLAY SQUADRONS and not because it's dead as fuck and i just want someone to shoot :(

>>715041630
Expanded lore autism is tolerable in small doses. It can be fun to find out more about a setting or how things work or whatever, but you need to keep as supplementary and secondary. No, if the star wars cross sections book gives a silly energy kilojoules number, that doesn't mean the blasters are shooting bolts with the full power of the fucking sun. Lucas clearly didn't say that shit.

I've had people stare me dead in the eye and say the star wars movies aren't fucking canon if they disagree with the EU. Absolute homunculus.

>>715021854
>rey consistently pulls quick and easy power of out her ass and attacks in a rage, but she’s totally a Jedi paragon
It still amazes me that they wrote this without a hint of irony.
I was never naive enough to think one of the most cut and dry Mary Sues to ever exist would fall to the dark side, which made Rian trying to bait and switch it fucking hilarious.

>>714992253
>>714992602

>>715041846
>>715042027
Sorry anon but you had to wait for the latest marvel comics to see a Black Quveen dunk on those old White Girls.

>>715042278
shitpost seller, I'm going to a /v/ starwars thread and I need your strongest shitposts

>>714992501
faggots at the cinema put a meme for this scene as advertisement for the movie at the ticket kiosk. bitch why did you spoil the most important part of the movie. hated this more than soi hulk.

>>715028891
That's because all Endgame needed was a generic (but I'm not saying that's a bad thing) all the heroes come together and beat the bad guy ending. Everybody goes home happy.
Star Wars had an identity crisis for each installment of the sequel trilogy so they straight up just aped the other successful Disney movie with the same exact "epic" line but it doesn't work because who the fuck cares about Rey or Palpatine having zero build up outside of a fucking fortnite event

>>715042345
The fuck does that have to do with what I said.

>>715027921
Yes, I do think disney is bad, because they had the perfect blueprint of what not to do and somehow made it even worse.
Dark Empire might have been silly, but at the very least it was written prior to the prequels and was intended as a learning opportunity for Luke rather than because they ran out of ideas.
Sun Crusher and Darksaber are indefensible, but at least they didn’t blow up coruscant and cause the remnant to take over in a matter of weeks out of nowhere.
Kyp and Starkiller may have been over the top, but at least they fucked up and the narrative acknowledges this.

>>715042105
Thinking about it, there should have been way more sects of people using/worshipping the force than just the two big sects (or for a very long time just one big one)

>>715004636
dat ass doe

>>715042257
It's still funny how Rey is the most blatant Mary Sue in pretty much any story I've ever seen
>Randomly super strong, capable of beating people with years of training because ???
>Actively breaks the rules of the setting
>One ups established characters just to show how cool she is
>Faces no long term consequences for any of her actions
>Everyone except the worst villains loves her at first sight or gets humiliated into accepting her
>Supposedly suppose to be a self-insert for the (female) audience
At least the original Mary Sue had the decency to die and stay dead at the end of her story

>>715042374
>outside of a fucking fortnite event
That shit still feels so surreal man
Not to mention THE DEAD SPEAK and somehow palpatine has returned
Who wrote this trash? Who signed it off?

>>715042550
Akshually, Starkiller Base blew up Hosnian Prime (no one knows or cares about these planets)

>>715004923
>>715005439
>>715010504
>>715011832
Don't forget that Yoda could gather the lightning in his hand and either make it go poof or send it back at the user.

>>715042601
Disney clearly having no plan and no ideas on what to actually do with them so that they jumped from a nostalgia masturbation session, a bizarre anti-nostalgia masturbation session, and then tried to throw a bunch of completely random nonsense together at the last minute to cap it all off, is always going to be one of the biggest franchise fumbles.

How fucking easy would it have been to just play to the audience? Everyone already had clear fanboy expectations, just play to the crowd lol

>>715005439
jedi are very good with using force to guide their sabers towards incoming danger. like how they deflect lazer shots.
when the lightning hits their saber, the sith can push the saber with the lightning, to pierce/cut/burn the face of the jedi, and the jedi if given enough time, can use a force push/pulsewave to send the lightning back to the sith.
>>715042789
he basically wrapped the lighning in a bundle of force. imagine force is cotten and you just wrap it around the lightning.

>>715042562
In the very ancient past it was just the Jedi till the aforementioned Schism and their are other groups out there like the night sisters or formerly he Ratakan Empire. If anything we lack more light side affiliated factions likely because the Jedi glommed onto the Republic at such an early stage of its existence that the centralizing force allowed them to establish themselves as The Game in town as all the other light side breakaways go into independent hermitage

Thinking about it all Sith and non-ethnically and culturally homogenous dark side users are basically breakaway sects of the Jedi.

>>715042593
Only Korra rivals her.

>>715042898
at least Korra is sex on legs

>>715014803
why isnt the sith girl malformed like the guy? what is this sexist crap? why dont they cater to scar fetishists like me?

>>715042898
Korra at least got her ass kicked numerous times.

>>715019696
its original name was stars war.
they told lucas that sounds stupid so they changed it to star wars.

>>715043032
SW has been this way since 1983. Male Twi'leks are absolute uggo while female Twi'leks are considered the sexiest females in the galaxy and one of the few alien races who can interbreed with humans.

>>715042593
Something I noticed was that there isn’t a SINGLE scene in the entire ST designed to ultimately make her look bad. Not one. At most you get ones that are designed to make you think she might have a setback, but ultimately make her look even better.
>>715042898
Nah, Korra has genuine character flaws that are intentionally added.
Rey is quite literally flawless as far as the narrative goes.

For me, it's the greedy space Jews with Chinese accents

>>715031490
wait we getting a fourth "daughter on shoulder" game?

>>715043032
Those aren't scars, if I recall its a living carapace armor made of indestructible parasites that caused intense pain which boosted his dark side prowess.
Dude could also move so quickly he could doge raindrops but that bane for ya, dude was able to establish the Rule of Two for a reason.

>>715043323
>made rule of two
more like rule of me and my ginger qt gf

>>715043415
Anon, that's grooming...

>>715043415
Anon you don't want to be Bane...
He died breaking his own rule and trying to take over the body of his apprentice to continue living.
Do you really want to be the ginger qt gf?

Need mando tomboy

>>715043323
the flip side was that they nearly covered his entire body and choked him to death before he found a counter measure, made him catastrophically vulnerable to lightning, and accelerated his aging to the point he started to fall apart when he was forced to remove them.

>>714990676 (OP)
they didn't backstab each other often enough to make a dent in the population numbers

>>715043560
They basically subverted and interbred an entire race with their own planet into Sith-Humans, so they had a pretty good head start.

>>715039314
Droidekas are awesome.
I wish more robots in sci fi were designed with alien engineers in mind
We peaked with the t-800 for humanoid robots man nothing you can do will top this please make more interesting designs

the sith are fundamentally the good guys and the entire franchise is jedi propaganda

>>715043713
Shut up, Sheev

>>715043415
>do you want to be a woman in star wars
the fate of all women in star wars is to finally be able to accomodate big rancor dicks
so no its not worth it

>>715043649
George for all his faults knew what worked with Star Wars designs

>>715042898
You guys use the phrase Mary Sue wrong. In actuality few characters in fiction fit that description. Eragon is one who I think fits it better than Rey but hes obviously a guy. Korra not so much because shes a bitch who fumbles constantly and is belittled or scrutinized by many people including her friends. Rey is close because all of her "flaws" are superficial and meaningless. Shes a desert junker who knows how to pilot, disassemble and fix the problems of ships, fight, understand Wookies, befriend everyone instantly, then resist Kylo Ren and invade HIS mind, then fight him on even ground even though he has the blood of Anakin Skywalker in him, then canonically do more absurd bullshit a few days later in TLJ. And in all of this, entire characters who have just met her now consider it some important focal point of their lives.

>>715044173
How is Eragon a Mary Sue?
I haven't read the books.

>>715041630
I think there's a difference in world building approaches. There's the horizontal style like you said where the timeline just gets wider and wider in broad strokes.
But there's the vertical approach where existing factions. worlds. characters, events, etc. just get more depth and background. The latter style is cool, the horizontal style is just a way for failed authors to sneak irrelevant fanfiction in.

What can I do to get some Death Sticks around here?

>>715044338
You do not want to get Death Sticks.

>>715044173
I think you're too generous. Authors want to avoid mary sues most of the time and want to have their characters to face hardships but those can be incredibly hollow and the whole thing falls flat.
Korra knowing how to bend 3/4 elements as a toddler already and she becoming the literal only avatar by severing the ties to all past ones are the main reasons she is considered a Sue. the few artificial setbacks she has to endure don't bring any balance.

Same with Rey. The sheer ease with what she becomes a force user/saber fighter and pilot through nothing but being le main character overshadows all the faux roadblocks the writers throw in her way. The few struggles these characters have don't lead to any kinds of development or earned skills/experiences and only serve as masks for the mary sue character to hide behind.

>>715044551
this. they make a mary sue first and then try to hide it.

>>715044551
a mary sue is not a character. its a force of nature and should be treated as such. it should bring awe and others should steer clear lest they get "put in their place"
a kino story with mary sue character is one where they somehow meet a formidable foe at the end of their story and they dont back down even though its literally their first hardship. all that attitude shouldnt falter when its put to test if the character is to be respected.

>>715043019
isn't she gay?

>>715044551
The tradeoff is she fucking sucks at all of them and fighting because she grew up sheltered. She was afraid of a nonbender (initially) like Amon taking her bending. She lost battles to her own uncle and various other antagonists, Aang was a prodigy at two elements, Katara water, Zuko fire etc but Korra? She couldn't even do anything on the level of anyone in ATLA. Korra becoming the only Avatar is also treated as a tragedy, exemplified by her leaving the world as a wasteland in the upcoming sequel. Korra just sucks period at almost everything she does that in some twisted way /v/ should find that endearing.

You know another real Mary Sue type character is Miles Morales. I could go off on a tangent listing how everyone in Peter's character ensemble suddenly raves about the sheer radiance of Miles, but I'll use another one: he gets a fucking new power every other week. Energy projection, electricity, stronger than Peter, faster, more and more. And every one of his struggles just goes back to him not realizing how awesome and priviliged he is.

>>715044173
Eragon has flaws and people that dislike him for fair reasons, so he’s out by default. Likewise Korra is an intentionally bumbling fuck up.
Rey fits the mould because the flaws she has aren’t ones that are accepted by the script. Objectively speaking she’s an irritable, arrogant, hot headed child who throws tantrums and latches on to anyone who shows her a hint of affection, but the narrative wants me to believe she’s a virtuous soul who just wants to be loved.
You’re right that Mary Sues are very hard to write, since even shit authors write in flaws by accident, and Rey is easily the worst one put to mainstream film. Bella Swan used to be the go to example, but Rey is a much better study.

mary sue this mary sue that
whats wrong with writing a character thats at the end of their journey from the get go? why cant we just read about a journey thats at tis zenith for 300 pages? does everything have to be the same le climbing le mountain of growth? what are we Sisyphus?

>>715045023
You can't really do that with a sequel trilogy

>>714993223
>The concept works; the Sith grow stronger with each new apprentice overpowering their master
It shouldn't work because half the time its not
>i'm going to beat you in an honorable sword duel to prove that I am your better
but
>im going to blow up a building with you in it because you weren't expecting me to actually sabotage this incredibly important mission just for temporary personal gain
And yeah, i get it, a tyrant needs to be proficient in all walks of leadership to retain his title including espionage and counter espionage but at a certain point its unreasonable to expect and doesn't show any improvement of ability at all. Its incredibly easy to kill someone if you make that your singular goal because its simply fucking impossible to defend yourself from all angles at all times and sith aren't ever shown to be aware enough of their cyclical bullshit to understand resorting to underhanded methods actually weakens them in the long run

>>715045080
all the examples given here are indeed awful, but just because you havent come across good examples doesnt mean they are all shit.

>>715045082
>t. jedi cope that they keep falling behind
sith constantly trade quantity for quality

>>715045023
That's not what a Mary Sue is.

>>715045023
You’re confusing a competent character with a Mary Sue. Nobody bitches about Aragorn being highly capable.
Only brainlets dub people with high competency as sues. People hate the archetype because they’re not real people, not because they’re powerful.

>>715010079
I can't believe Disney released a bunch of mostly kino Star Wars anime content and then followed it up with garbage slop the second time around. Did they ever follow it up with a Visions 3 or a proper anime?

>>715045023
A lack of struggle makes the journey meaningless. If you get everything handed to you or are great at everything from the beginning wheres the personal reward or ethos? Seriously this goes for anything. People who have everything handed to them are vapid, boring and cunts.

Would you really want to jump into a story about Special Snowflake Mcgeee, King of the universe?

I love KOTOR and all, but I think their 'going dark side makes you wrinkly and ugly' thing is a terrible idea. Everyone wants to be beautiful, good or evil, if doing evil things made you VISIBLY look like a cartoon villain, it throws a lot of problems into the setting

>>714998208
Not canon.

>>715045023
You can make static overpowered characters, but that also requires good writing.
One of my favorite shows is Hellsing ultimate, and MC there is the most OP motherfucker in the world. It's still fun because the story is decent enough, and all the over the top violence and other silly characters make it entertaining.
It also has the good sense to give us a bunch of secondary characters that can die, and some of them do, or going through their own journies to become stupidly OP.

>>715045023
the character has to be cool and likeable to do that. like Blade. and even blade doesn't go around supplanting other peoples' roles. he just executes his own with unstoppable force and precision. rey was not cool OR likeable and she stomped all over other characters in the story. basically, the character has to be written from a man's perspective - he's already at the peak of his game, he has what he wants, and he knows what he needs to do. he doesn't need to expand outside of his skillset or undermine anyone else to be the best. rey is written from a woman's perspective - insecure, seething, feels entitled to more than she's gotten. she needs to undermine other characters to prove herself and right the perceived wrongs of being underestimated.

>>715045186
>Nobody bitches about Aragorn being highly capable
Because Aragorn still has flaws. He knows the ring would destroy him in a heartbeat, he knows he needs help to face the armies of evil and even then the journey depends on two halflings.

>>715045082
most sith backstabbings can be seen coming from a mile away.
they dont just do it in any way, it has to be poetic, braggable and personal.
like take this trailer for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A
the mood for betrayal was just right, and they both saw it coming, and embraced it.
you speak as if the sith have a problem with getting backstabbed, they see it as the correct way to do things. they are fine with backstabbing and getting backstabbed, they just dont make it easy to do so to propogate growth.

>>715045190
they're doing visions 3 (back to japan) and a later full season of 9th jedi.

>>715045252
how about being stoic and righteos?
most people I see nag about mary sues just hate righteos characters getting their way without any sign of failure in children's stories.

>>715013973
>>715014678
>>715015071
>>715020927
The thing that fucked it even harder was that Rian had approached Disney with his own story idea for a show, and instead they gave him the second movie out of nowhere. It's so disjointed because the (albeit already bad) vision was further distorted

>>715026920
According to Threat Interactive, there's a tonne of shit developers aren't turning off because Epic is incorrectly telling people to leave it on and it is on by default.

>>715041539
AI tends to use emdashes though, not hyphens.

>>715045419

>>715035919
IMAGINE the sex with Darth Talon

>>715024317
extra-galactic assholes who use biotechnology because they really fucking hate robots but also REALLY really hate the force too for some reason
honestly the imperialist raptor things are a better fucking idea than them

>finish fallen order 15 minutes ago
>see this thread
installing jedi survivor right now hope it's good if not better

>>715045380
>most people I see nag about mary sues just hate righteos characters getting their way without any sign of failure in children's stories.
I can't say I've noticed this.
The main thing i've seen that sets people off about Sues, be they applying the term correctly or not, is parasitism.
Korra is a prime example of someone who is clearly not a Sue being called such, simply because her whole existence is predicated on fucking up what people liked about A:TLA.

>>715025162
Costs money to do so and skimping out on number of troops guarantees permanently being on the defensive. Either they put all their super troops together as a spearhead and can't hold ground anywhere else or they keep them too spread out to assault a planet.

Does anyone else ever just stop and think how crazy it is that Disney killed Star Wars? Imagine telling someone that in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's that the WDC would completely destroy any goodwill or future of a media juggernaut as big as Star Wars.

>>715041630
You just gotta pick your EU's as they interest you. Not interested in the Yhuuzan Vong? No worries, ignore it. Want more Empire Vs. Republic stuff? Maybe the Thrawn Trilogy might be up your alley. Want more Sith being badasses and a morally gray take on the setting? Legacy is a good start. Like the Universe but hate how Skywalker-centric it is? The Old Republic era stuff is great.

>>715045023
Because Mary Sues *aren't* at the end of their journey. They're on the Her-o's Journey. Which is where she was *always* great and powerful and awesome, it's just that men were holding her back, and she just needed to be affirmed in her great and powerful awesomeness to truly be a Her-o.

>>715046164
thats nu-mary sue
og-mary sue is someone who is great at everything and has no flaws of character or action and always succeeds
people bitch and moaned about it cause they hated to be reminded of perfection and wanted more "flawed" fucktards like themselves in stories

>>715045332
9th Jedi was the one where they're in the old sith building or whatever right? It's been a few years so I barely remember any of them, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, I think it's a good choice.

>>715046301
og mary sue was a parody of shit fan scripts

>>715041935
then Plagueis was too distracted to realize he chose the wrong apprentice, and sidious too fearful to realize he needed Plageuis and they all fucked it up

>>715045023
>whats wrong with writing a character thats at the end of their journey from the get go?
That's not what a mary sue is dumbass. A mary sue isn't just the lack of challenge its the interaction with the surrounding cast. Rey is a definitive mary sue specifically because she was inserted into a pre-existing franchise and literally everyone, even hopeless luke (a fucking impossibility) still came around to like and respect her near instantly.
And what's wrong with it is that you don't have a fucking story anymore if your story is about someone who never has any challenges or setbacks, at least you don't have one that's interesting in anyway. The Mary Sue has no interpersonal drama because everyone likes them, they have no internal conflict because they have no major flaws, they have no external challenges because they are perfectly skilled and competent enough to beat them without ever changing. You're not telling a story you're writing a bullet point list on their fucking death battle power ranking.

What is your opinion on the tragedy of darth plageueis the wise?

That's a thought, wouldn't the amount of Sith teachings each one knows grow smaller and smaller for every time an apprentice killed their master without learning literally EVERYthing the master knew
And over thousands of years...

>>715046620
I think this is brainrot.
mary sue's meaning has been completely overwritten by new internet lingo.
I think its because people didnt bother looking up what mary sue means and just kept using it as an easy to use slur for feminists without getting hatemail from twitter, which changed its meaning entirely. kinda like how fag went from "what you hate most right now" to dung to ciggaretes to gays

>>715046724
he couldnt handle the chicken.gif

>>715046908
>I think this is brainrot.
Its not, its the OG definition of Mary Sue based on the actual fucking Mary Sue character in star trek fanfiction who was a problem not just because she was super good at everything but because she was also instantly the favorite person of everyone on the command deck.

>>715045190
>>715045332
There was a Visions 2?

>>715046857
rule of two ensures only two highend geniuses remain. Im sure they add as much as they miss out on.

>>715046908
You clearly haven't read the Lt Mary Sue parody the term is based off, which is ironic given you keep bitching about people not understanding the term.

>>715047009
well duh
she gave good head
>>715047051
I dont care how you modify the matrix
I will not be gaslit by the voices on my screen

>>715047107
Enjoy prison, stalker.

>>714998863
i remember people coping about snoke by saying "well, we never learned palpatine's backstory in the ot". but the difference is that palpatine was the status quo, the story doesn't need to tell us how he rose to power, he's the evil emperor, that's it.
snoke comes after six movies out of fucking nowhere, builds a better death star off screen and reinstates the empire. we need to know who the fuck he is for the story to work.

god how did disney fuck up THIS hard? they could make the mcu make sense until endgame and they couldn't come up with a simple three parters?

>>714990676 (OP)
How many girls would Anakin have dicked if he did not lose his dick

>>715046620
>>715047009
Like the other anon stated, the problem with Mary Sues is that they have absolutely no compelling conflict in the narrative. You can have a beloved (in-universe) character who is super competent and morally righteous without it being a Mary Sue as long as the narrative doesn't bend over backward to make sure this character faces no meaningful struggle, whether it be internal or external. Mary Sues are usually found in fanfiction because they twist the established rules of the setting to suit the author's will.
>>715047289
They guy was hyperfocused on Padme, so probably zero.

>>715044802
Bi.

>>715047107
prison?

>>715042898
White Korra > Korra

>>715047447
>>715047217

>>715041630
It's because of shit like KotOR, the flightsims and Dark Forces that I still revisit the OT from time to time instead of it being a hazy childhood memory.

>>715024324
no, you don't understand, he needed to reforge his helmet and become palpatine's vader.
following from your post kylo would've been the final villain. imagine a fight if ideals, kylo and rey. no sith or jedi, but something new, something free of past dogmas. they just disagree on what the force should be.
but no, rey is a skywalker and is all the jedi, while kylo is just darth vader 2. i'm sure at this point that jj abrams will spontaneously combust if his brain produces an original idea

>>715047360
if I may interject.
moral righteos incompetents who win for being righteos is also called a mary sue. I think most people just have a problem with righteos characters winning in general and use mary sue as a slur like how they use chud.
>>715047360
its bad cause
>competent
>loved by all
>no obstacles
just say you want drama, which is a genre and not everything needs to have it

>>715047676
At this point you're clearly being intentionally dense in order to crowbar the talking point you're fixated on into the conversation.

>>715022104
no, she gives up meeting him again and moves on as she made a deal that she'd have to give up her hearts desire to live again

>>715047741
Im just trying not to look dumb for not knowing the original meaning and assuming what it originally meant for years.

>>715047814
I am not very good at it
...
I will exit the thread to not waste the last 60 posts and leave you all with this gift the game

>>715043649
>We peaked with the t-800 for humanoid robots man nothing you can do will top this please make more interesting designs
Kenshi says hello
>tfw some madlad brought back the lionheads and mono eyes from the concept art along with screamer killers and P4 units for starting playthroughs

>>715047676
>which is a genre
No you dumb ape drama is a narrative tool and if you don't have either stakes predicated on a chance of failure or character dynamics beyond basic "i like you" shit YOU DON'T HAVE A STORY
LIEUTENANT MARY SUE WAS A SHIT CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE WAS BETTER AT EVERYONE ON THAT BRIDGE AT THEIR OWN JOBS YET NOT ONE PERSON EVER DISLIKED HER FOR BEING A KNOW-IT-ALL CONTRASTED AGAINST ANOTHER TREK CHARACTER WESLEY CRUSHER WAS DISLIKED BY EVERY SINGLE PERSON SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE HE WAS A YOUNG FUCK KNOW-IT-ALL

>>715028618
in their shittiness they are at least worth talking about. tfa and tros have nothing to say for themselves, they are just episode 4 and 6 rewritten a bit.
tlj has "soul" as twisted as it is, kinda like a shyamalan movie. absolute dogshit, but there is a method to the madness and it's got something to say

>>715038843
>grogu was supposed to be just a chapter in the mandalorian's story
>kennedy demanded he became a mainstay instead

>>715048390
TLJ and Acolyte are interesting due to the baffling arrogance in their creation.
TFA and RoS are both dogshit, but you can see the thought process behind each and every mistake. Nobody sane should ever have greenlit the stupidity that we saw in the other two.

>>715048657
that's what i mean. tlj is fun to pick apart. tfa is just a boring, safe rethread because disney took red letter media too seriously and jar jar abrams has no creative bone in his body

>>715045247
kenshiro is a great example. he is well written enough that despite him being an overpowered beast he's still entertaining. he is used more as a vehicle for change in other characters.
re-reading the final raoh arc makes it clear raoh is the one developing and going through an arc. ken is the antagonist to raoh's journey.
even then, ken still struggles a little and has enough depth, the authot remembered to givr him small moments of weakness and joy here and there

>>714991181
porn addict zoomzoom be like: yo this goblin looks so fire, 10/10 would dick, no cap.

>>714990794
The wild, crazy type for sure

>>715047021
Pretend you didn't hear about it. It's all western lgbtq slop. The best part is there's a girl yoda that gets murdered. I made the mistake of pirating it and watching Qui Gonn and Count Dooku fuck up a hostage negotiation because they're white men and some episode about honorable natives and white men bad.

>>715049436
Didn't it have the Aardman short though?

>>715049478
I didnt make it that far

>>715014584
There are only 7 star wars movies, 6 if you don't count the holiday special

she DEFINITELY wanted to fuck obi-wan right?

>>715027921
>>715041630
Extreme cope.
Imagine getting filtered by the soul of Star Wars.

>>715050334
I love the palpable fury that disney exudes when they have to deal with the fact Lucas made Obi-Wan canonically straight before the buyout.

>>715050476
>no deathstar in the background
they had one fucking job

>>715050481
>that one time an author wanted to make ahsoka bi-sexual and filoni threw a fit about it and got it removed from a book

>>714990676 (OP)
Jazz Jennings?

>>715045715
I've honestly never seen it use anything but -, and the simple fact it does at all is enough of a giveaway. Shit I used a bunch of ; in my master's and I almost flunked cause "that wasn't normal" despite being used correctly.

>>715049436
To be fair, jedi having to do politics in a new fucking culture every other day is a great setup for writing. They simply just suck at it.

>>715049325
>Become god tier jedi for the simple purpose of being mindbroken in by a hot bitch
In reality it probably wouldn't even work, you'd get killed. What if you force mindbroke them? days upon days of choking and breaking and restoring and whatever.

Man, even evil women are too much work

>>715047604
Kylo exists solely for the fujos to goon to like sasuke or malfoy. a "What If" where he ruled with Rey would've cost thousands of liters of female ejaculate

>>714991181
Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2017) is a fantastic game still reeling from the disastrous monetization scandal. Despite said system being ripped wholesale out of the game due to the justified drama.

>All skillcards earned by just playing characters/classes
>All weapons and attachments earned via milestones
>All the 100+ skins included in the complete edition which is the version always on sale for $5

Like yeah it's not perfect, there's definitely balancing issues but that's to be expected with the number of classes and abilities. There's always some sweat lord playing an Aerial class.

>>715047021
Having that Vader collar mount makes me wonder: Why do we see nothing else in way of Vader's suit? it wasn't super highly customized or anything. It was thrown together quickly. Palps didn't expect him to fucking burn half to death. Surely we should see other suits in similar fashion?

>>715052179
It'd be nice if it was nuanced. Instead it's white man bad because capitalism and white.

>>715052447
everything was always available in the game shill.
the problem was the grind.
40 hours for a single character.
and they didnt fix that.

>>715041630
Star wars is a mythological tale about Luke and Anakin, and the setting is just fun background details that give a bit of variety to the story. At the end of the day, it’s totally interchangeable. The Death Star run in ANH could be replaced by mounted knights attacking a dragon, or a bunch of soldiers in siege engines assailing the dreadfortress of an evil necromancer. But EUfags don’t care about myths or heroic sagas. They’d be the types to care about the construction of the siege engines attacking the tower, or the breeds of the horses the knights are riding into battle. That’s what star wars is to them, and it’s why everything they touch feels nothing like star wars despite having a lot of the same characters, names, places, weapons, aesthetics, etc.

>>715052936
>40 hours for a single character.
>and they didnt fix that.
What the fuck are you talking about? Literally every character is available now without any blocks. Talking about how "everything was always available" like you know how the game works and then dropping a factually wrong statement straight after.

>>715042601
Thank Jar jar mystery box abrams

>>715050848
kek, I see it now. thanks anon.

>>715038843
>great
it was just memberberries cameo shit endlessly. it was fucking awful.

>>714990676 (OP)
They weren't backstabbing each other until they were clearly the victors. And the backstabbing was then what allowed opposing forces to turn the tide and make a comeback.

>>714991103
I always thought there was a certain measure of pride in it too, which is very on brand for the sith. Like
>Of course I'm not going to waste my time on anyone who isn't powerful and conniving enough to kill me someday, do you think I'd accept any third rate protege?
Along with
>Of course I'm going to kill my master and take his place, who else is fit for the position but his very own chosen apprentice?

>>714990676 (OP)
>Disney Wars
LMAO

Reminder that no matter how bad you think "Somehow Palpatine Returned" was, it's still significantly better than the EU shitshow it ripped off.

>>715049436
That's not Visions 2. That's Tales of the Jedi, and it was good. Visions 2 was shorts made by western studios instead of anime studios

>>715058606
I knew Star Wars fans were used to eating shit... but this...

>>715058271
There are dozens of EU stories that you can enjoy or ignore. Bad ideas can wither and die, while the good can be further developed. But there's only one canon now and it's rubbish.

>>714991181
Bro I'd join the Sith in a fucking heart beat, I'd fucking pound that evil curry pussy till her cervix was flat as a pancake.

>>715058271
No it wasn't. Palpatine being a dark side revenant in a time before his backstory was established is far better than him coming back with literally no explanation.
It's honestly sad that the only defence of disney shit is to concern troll and deflect.

>>715059508
What's sad is anyone trying to defend Dark Empire. Jesus Christ. Get some taste on your way to pick up your self respect.

>>715041630
EU fags will never stop lying about the EU's quality. I'm always wary when someone says the sequels and the new canon are worse than the EU. They clearly are falseflagging.

>>715059657
See, this is the shit that makes people know you're insincere.
The second you're contradicted you're forced to frame the contradiction as a defence to steer away critique from what you're protecting.

>>715059749
>t. seething Disnigger

>>715059749
>he says after ackolyte, bloodlines and TLJ
Traviss at her worse doesn't hold a candle to disney, and disney has produced nothing on par with the EU's highs

>love the knight errant comics
>go online
>no one read it
What a shame. Fucking love Kerra. I wish Disney didn't buy out the franchise cause I wanted to see how all those warring sith factions became the brotherhood of darkness we saw in the Bane novels.

Whenever you see a disney white knight in the wild plying their act, always remember to force them to defend disney when they try deflecting.
They will try every trick in the book to avoid talking about shit like Han being lectured on stereotyping Gungan accents, because even on the unlikely chance they know what you’re talking about, they know full well it’s indefensible.

I'm playing Survivor for the first time. I like that the gameplay is better than the first game, but I don't like the bigger scale of the maps, amount of collectibles and secondary missions. It's noticeable some BOTW-inspired stuff, like the shrine-likes, chasing small robots to get something (like the blupees in botw), gliding, riding and other stuff. I hope the third game is smaller

Sith women are weakest when you attack their uterus.

Whenever you see a sperg get mad you're calling the EU shit just remind them the Sun Crusher exists.

>>714990676 (OP)
> "He's behind me, isn't he?"

>>715060202
>>715060657
I choose to believe this is a samefag false flag, because not even the stupidest of disney shills could walk into a rake that obvious.

>>715032153
>has a crush on him

When ever you see a Disnigger coping about the EU just remind them they have literal trannies and like it.

>>715042593
even worse.
at very least the original Mary sue was just a fanfiction character from what used to be the Wattpad of the time. It was never canon and was just a very bad fanfiction .
Rey is far worse by the sheer reason of being the canon endpoint of SW's universe. Even worse than Korra, since Korra herself didn't retconned herself as the sole single savior of her own setting...while OT ,PT and EU got thrown all in the bin just to elevate Rey as the true alpha and omega of the setting.

>>715061028
is that a tranny clone or a tranny stormtrooper? Honestly don't know which one would be worse.

>>715061028
I invite the disneyfag to come up with a passage that compares to this.
Not an out of context image, not a concept that they present as dumb with no elaboration, but something this fucking stupid.
Hard mode is something that can match cuck wendig's herkily jerkily

In the end she fell to Cal's meat saber, no Sith woman can stand up to the BWC and win.

>eu is better
>disney is better
lucasarts games are the best
ignore everything else

>>715061668
Lucasarts games are literally EU.

>read through the KOTOR comics
>blisteringly kino
>it will never be acknowledged ever again
>if any characters come back they'll be absolutely butchered
End me now.

>>715061668
>Lucasarts
>separate from the EU
anon...

>>715047778
That's retarded.

Sith pussy

>>715059749
Nobody, nobody, nobody at all besides SJWs and ardent feminists like the sequels. They're par with the very worst of the EU.
Outside of that, the only good thing to come from Disney's new canon are Andor, the 1st season of Mando, and the Fallen Order games. All of which could fit in nicely with the old EU.

>>715061714
>>715061784
do not question my statement

>>715061749
>gets cancelled because of the Disney sale
I despise Lucas for that alone.

>>715061902
It wasn't a question, thougheverbeit.

>>715060657
The Sun Crusher is the dumbest most unbelievable superweapon in all of Star Wars. I'm surprised Disney didn't use it. Guess it was too small for them to find it interesting.

>>715061907
I still want to know if Zayne survived Malak and Treia's attempts to wipe out the Jedi. I'm hoping he did considering he wasn't actually a jedi anymore at the end.

>>715062323
I want to know if Zayne became Nihilus or not.

>>715062323
Zayne was an unaffiliated diplomat at the time, so chances are he wasn't high enough on Revan's shit list to be at Malachor and had no reason to be there by coincidence.

>>715062430
What makes you think he would have been at Malachor? He was a diplomatic agent at the end

>>715062492
We know that Nihlus was just a man and not some warped abomination, so that counts Zayne out by default.
he's too much of a manlet to fit if he's unchanged

>>715062758
meant for
>>715062430

>Go through the old scholastic episode 1 adventure books
>Turns out Hutts regularly eat their slaves or skin them and make rugs out of their skin
Damn.

>>715062520
Things could've changed. It's highly likely Revan would've become more of a focus in his story as time went on. The Mando war was pretty much Revan vs everyone, after all. Zayne would have to get involved at some point, considering the aftermath of the Jedi civil war.
John Jackson Miller also confirmed that Zayne is still a practicing Jedi knight.

>>715062942
I don't know if we were ever actually supposed to get more than the five issues of War but now I'm wishing we did. Everything JJM touched with SW turned to gold, he was on the upper echelon of writers for the EU.

>>715063031
Damn right. God I miss when Star Wars was good.

>>715063197
Me too. I've been doing a chronological reading of the EU and haven't found a single comic or book I don't like and JJM blows me away every time I read him. His Lost Tribe stories are amazing. The Spiral comic series too.

>>715063490
Haven't read those yet, thanks for the rec.