Why do people still play ancient racing games
What makes them better than the modern ones

for one, in the past racing games actually existed
cant say the same today about current racing games

>>715036310 (OP)
There are no modern ones.

>>715036310 (OP)
more diverse selection of games and flavours
actual budgets
no modern GAAS jewery

designed as videogames first and foremost instead of german autism simulators

ande for me personally one of the big appeals: most of them supported splitscreen multiplayer

No mtx
Race layouts are actually different
Runs on any PC

>>715036873
What do you have against motocross?

>>715036310 (OP)
Singleplayer campaigns actually existing. Also driving physics change but whether they've been getting better is entirely subjective since there are so many valid approaches and styles on the arcade to sim spectrum.

I still say GT3 feels better than GT5 for example.

>>715038127
one of my first like "philosophical" thoughts on videogame reviews as a kid was reading written reviews on racing games in magazines and pondering how the hell I would even quantify "good physics" or "Improved physics and handling" at the time apart from blatant upgrades of crude hardware to sequels on hardware that were lightyears ahead of its prequel on older systems

i think part of the autism around driving sims today is the sort of natural existential conclusion of "we have all the computing power to be very realistic, but what the fuck do we do now' problem.

In a way, hardware restrictions that forced games to be more loose with the rules pushed people to have their own take on things.

Like I specifically LOVE to drive the Dodge viper gts-r, and porsche RUF ctr yellowbird in PGR4 for very different reasons. Much like why I prefer f-zero games over wipeout games.

How do you quantify that feel and market it?

>>715036510
this, Forza Horizon exists and thats it

>>715038626
Yeah, exactly this. Racing is (grossly oversimplifying here) more or less "solved". Its been fun since, I'd say, the 16 bit console generation. And then from like, Gran Turismo 2? We've more or less had adequately "deep" sim-like mechanics since then as well. This genre is probably the closest thing we have in gaming to a matured medium where it all comes down to artistry and taste now. So of course we've butchered it all with MTX and live service cancer.

My God could you imagine getting a game as complete as GT4 in Current Year? With modern cars and online multiplayer with good netcode? We SHOULD have this. The tech's been there since the majority of this board was learning to not shit themselves.

Depressing, really.

>>715036310 (OP)
variety in gameplay

>>715038948
I really hope arcade racers have a resurgeance like "boomershooters" had.
Both of those were pretty popular staples of gaming in the west and even worldwide.

Especially the poor netcode thing baffles me.
I'd love to get like a really good version of midnightclub 3 spiritual successor.

I generally dislike open world racers, but it's like, dude, this was already a proven concept where this shit was FUN. Leveldesign is just shit now. Openworld is not "big open field", apply the same design ethos to your game like gta games used to do or hell, even good arenashooter maps.

>>715036310 (OP)
They were fun to play

>>715036310 (OP)
ez
SOVL v. SOVLLESS
Also:
>New cars are boring and faggy, also SOVLLESS in design
>Adds nothing new or innovative
>Cringier dialogue than in older titles
>Shitty soundtracks
>DRM bullshit, temporary licensing, etc.
We could have nice visuals, tons of customization, more features, amazing physics and crashes, etc., all in one package but no one does it, so why would I care?

>>715039279
I agree on the open worlds, just let me instance into a race. I swear I saw a rumor of a remaster for a Midnight club game but i cannot find it looking now so maybe I hallucinate that

>>715037930
It insists upon itself

>>715039279
Its certainly deserving of such a revival. I was just thinking about Road Rash the other day and how there's literally nothing like it anymore. Not in the sense of style or anything.

At least a handful of brave souls are trying to bring back something resembling Wipeout.

>>715039502
well we can hope
or maybe some mad lads will make atleast something resembling it

>>715039704
as for road rash, there was a game called Road Redemption marketed as just that
but honestly i never took the bite as it just looked a bit soulless to me
but I never had big nostalgia for the series

I fucking NEED Burnout 3 remastered
FUCK
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>>715036310 (OP)
because are funny
modern games are boring af and be like "we added 8k resolution so you can see the faggot flaf in high definition"

>>715036310 (OP)
sense of speed
i can somehow drive 350mph in a Lambo on Forza Horizon 5 and somehow it feels slower than driving the stock skyline in MC3

>>715036310 (OP)
This is only going to help me win.
https://youtu.be/S-hGgWDE4cw

>>715036310 (OP)
modern cars suck ultra mega cock and car tuning culture is dead

>>715038626
i get where your coming from, especially in gen 7 because everything felt like
>been there done that
some really creative racing games where coming out, think shit like Blur, Motorstorm, Split Second, PURE etc.
Problem was those games all sold pretty good but gen 7 simply was that era where every publisher was chasing COD money and if it didnt make atleast NFS kind of money your game was dead in the water .
Cool racing games are still coming out, Wreckfest is tight and the new TXR is surprisingly good for a 20$ game

>Old games
>You have to prove yourself in a shitty renault twingo before you can get to the ferrari's etc
>New games
>WOW YOU ARE SO GOOD EVEN THOUGH YOU DID ONE RACE, HERES A FREE FERRARI LAFERRARI GO ON AND ENJOY YOURSELF OH DON'T FORGET TO ROLL ON THIS THING THAT WILL ALSO GIVE YOU A MCLAREN!!! GO YOU, YOU'RE JUST THE BEST.

I really wish a proper CaRPG would come out again.

>>715039823
I was going to get Road Redemption until I read it was some sort or Rogue-lite.

HEY HEY
YOU YOU

>>715036310 (OP)
>Why do people still play ancient racing games
There's something i just prefer about early 2000s graphics that can't be replaced. Maybe indie will help bring it back eventually. It's like i didn't need much innovation past this point.

>>715036510
Mario Kart World just came out. I know, I know. You don't count it because it's tendieslop and it has items.

>>715041217
good example of "you don't need 9000k gigaflops in detail for the same boring racetracks"
but just a modicum of atmosphere and creativity will mog the shit out of the former

>>715041330
I like mariokart but yes you are correct
i liked the idea of JSR grinding and walljumping in the new one but heard items kinda overpowered driving skill from early players

>>715041330
That's a skateboarding game, not a car game

>>715041120
That is another reason. The modern music in racing games is unbearable.

>>715040904
My dream game would be this:
The open world of Forza (But with actual tracks on the map too like the Crew would do with the Laguna Seca)
The progression of Project Cars 2 (Where you start from go-karts and work up to like F1, LeMans etc and also doing license tests)
The grindingness of Gran Turismo 4 economy with used car dealers aswell as new.
The maintenance of GT4 where you have to think about your cars oil changes, engine rebuilds etc

Gettng to the hypercars etc should feel like a badge of honour and an achievement, not something everyone gets within 15 minutes of starting.

>>715036310 (OP)
>dated graphics prioritize visual clarity over realism and look nice
>game controls like a game and not a physics engine
>nostalgic for some of the maps or cars
>just feels better

>>715036640
>ande for me personally one of the big appeals: most of them supported splitscreen multiplayer
Fucking this. This is especially a case with PC. My wife likes old GT sportscars in GRID Legends since she tried it on a wheel she bought me, but we have basically zero options for something like that except emulating Hot Pursuit fucking 2.

>>715036310 (OP)
Nobody seems to know how to make a decent fucking NASCAR game anymore

>>715036310 (OP)
theres another thing about old street racing games is that they got the setting right in ways that modern games cant in the sense that the games didnt beat around the bush to make you feel like a criminal
what you are doing is illegal, you buy cars and parts from a black market, you outrun the police and hide in dark alleys and predestian cars are nothing but a hindrance to you
there was no honor in it but the sense of victory
i was playing NFS Unbound the other day and the story was such a gay mess it almost feels like a Disney channel special
>WOAH DUDE WE STREET RACERS ARE A OPRESSED KIND
>WE ARE ARTIST WHO CANT EXPRESS OURSELVES DUE TO THOSE FASCIST POLICE OFFICERS
>BEING ABLE TO GO 200MPH IN A SCHOOLZONE IS MY WAY OF EXPRESSION BRO
>WE HAVE TO LIBERATE THIS CITY FROM THE FASCIST POLICE SO WE CAN FREELY ENDANGER PEOPLE AND CAUSE MILLIONS IN PROPERTY DAMAGE
it was quite literally the most tone deaf videogame i ever played.

>>715041484
I actually made a pitch for something similar.
Basically a car simulator MMORPG:

https://pastebin.com/RmZzvTXR

I think it's very fleshed out

>>715042000
Yeah modern NFS games are so fucking annoying with that Millennial "decent human being" freedom fighter socialist bullshit.

>>715036310 (OP)
I just really like Out Run because we used to have an old cabinet of that in a mall where I live

>>715041403
Please, don't insult the tony hawk series like that it didn't do anything to deserve such hate.
>>715036310 (OP)
New cars are soulless tard transport devices and not really anything anyone would be passionate about. Can't make a racing game work out if the passion for cars themselves basically died, outside of people who like older cars ofc.

Another problem is that no one knows how to make a good atmosphere again. Its a genre where OST and vibes matter a lot, and nobody is good enough to managed to make either .

>>715039426
>New cars are boring and faggy, also SOVLLESS in design
Based.

>>715040904
I was so mad seeing Forza Horizon's progression went to shit immediately in the sequel and it never course corrected.

I started Horizon 1 with a fucking 1995 Volkswagen Corrado. They had bosses in that game too. They fucked it all up so quickly, but the driving and the online play were so good in these games that everyone gave them a pass.

>>715042651
im glad boxy designs are making a comeback

>>715042719
Still too round for my taste.

>>715042719
You can look at the round car designs as at commie blocks. Souless, made to demoralize you.

>>715036310 (OP)
They're fun and fairly challenging :^)

>>715040259
Peak of the genre. No racing game has ever come close, and I don't give a FUCK what simfags think.

>>715036310 (OP)
They're a middle ground between cart racer and racing sim.
Cart racers are too easy usually, they're party games designed to appeal to kids. After a while you get bored of them.
Sims these days are incredibly realistic and are designed to appeal to Germans (Just go outside and drive, lol oh wait it's illegal in the EU).
Ancient racing games like burnout, need for speed, midnight club are more difficult and still not realistic to the point of being antifun. The physics don't work like they would in real life, everything is exaggerated. They're a step up from cart racers in terms of difficulty and a step up from sims in terms of ridiculous fun. For an adult who can go outside and drive anytime, I don't want a video game for my entertainment to be a 1:1 representation of reality, I want to be doing physically impossible stunts.
tldr; they're fun

>>715041401
>good example of "you don't need 9000k gigaflops in detail for the same boring racetracks"
>but just a modicum of atmosphere and creativity will mog the shit out of the former
Sometimes adding just a little color instead of washed out realistic palette does wonders.

>>715040904

>>715042197
You rang?

>>715036310 (OP)
I only play them because I’m impressed by the physics being so good for that time

Plus a few of em are still fun and my car isn’t that fast

>>715036310 (OP)
tighter controls

>>715036310 (OP)
>took at this little shrimp, who does he think he is posting like that
>think he can post in my board with that thread? still i must try to be nice yo
Hey bro, follow me

>old racing games:
Cool music and cool cars
>new racing games:
Gay music and gay cars

this is the last good single player racing game and its not even focused on racing