> Monologues you to death
> Does nothing otherwise

>>715038339 (OP)
>pc sephiroth is perpetually soijakking
Ps1 sephiroth would never

>>715038339 (OP)
he was stuck in a crystal the whole game and summoned an earth destroying meteor as soon as he got the chance

He barely talks in the original and he's supposed to be the "greatest" villain.

He almost doesn't even acknowledge Cloud.

Should Sephiroth really have been so obsessed with Cloud?
Is it just because Cloud dumped him in the lifestream?
Was he just seething over that?

>>715039487
I've never played the original (my first FF was 8) and in the remakes he keeps going Hey, Cloud :)

Always wondered what was up with that.

>>715038339 (OP)
Sounds like Dalton from Chrono Trigger.

>>715039487
It's funny how he's this dark tall brooding creepy guy, and everyone loves him because of his theme song, angel theme and sword
and in the source material he literally says "out of the way, I'm going to see my mother"

>>715039630
it's either a sequel universe that takes place after the original game/extended universe, or it's a timeline that takes place in a way that allows Sephiroth to know what happened in the original time line. He's a chatty Cathy because he wants to win this time and

why doesn't Sephiroth inject his cock with mako and rape Cloud in front of everyone?

>>715039969
I bet he looks ridiculous trying to go to the toilet

>>715039487
He doesn't even succeed at destroying the world. Greatest villain my ass.

>>715039239
What a dillhole.

>>715040074
>Defeat sephiroth... things MAYBE go back to kinda normal 500 years later.
>Defeat kefka...everything goes back to normal instantly.

yea, that clown is mogged

>>715038339 (OP)
>>715039239
>>715039487
>>715039518
Sephiroth controls the JENOVA cells found within the body parts of JENOVA that you encounter throughout the game, as well as those within Cloud from the Crystal he is stuck in that is located in the Northern Crater.
Cloud and the JENOVA bosses you encounter throughout the game are proxies through which Sephiroth enacts his will, and the game even states as much. I think during the scene where you meet Hojo at the Northern Crater where Sephiroth's remains are revealed to you.
He is the sole antagonist (besides the Shinra Corporation and Hojo which serve as the root of all evil) that hounds you from beginning to end.
Sephiroth's plan would've succeeded were it not for Aerith and the party buying time with Holy so that the planet can mount a proper defense against meteor.

I'm not sure if you all struggle with reading comprehension or if it's simply been ages since you played the game, but Sephiroth is very much an active antagonist throughout the story and even before his debatable indirect involvement through the aforementioned proxies, his presence is felt in the game through the flashback sequence Cloud and Tifa have at the Nibelheim well, back when they were kids.

This narrative of "Sephiroth does nothing" is a result of either plain ignorance or flat out illiteracy.

>>715039518
Cloud is the person who ultimately sets him free from his crystal prison within the Northern Crater by delivering the Black Materia into his hands while enabling him to summon Meteor.

>>715040074
Kefka doesn't even really succeed at destroying the world completely since there is still a world left to save by the end of the game.
While he does accomplish a great deal Sephiroth's descent to madness is a lot more fleshed out and interesting, while tying back to FF7's main theme of loss, a loss of identity in Sephiroth's case, while Kefka is just insane because of magitek experimentation.
While I appreciate the straightforwardness in that, he ultimately is just The Joker but in Final Fantasy whereas Sephiroth is a bit more unique in his backstory and characterization.

Sephiroth was probably the first "literally me"

>>715042336
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor? Somehow that reminds me of someone else.

>>715040943
i found it hard to tell if it was actually sephiroth in total control given that everything he does is to accomplish jenova's goal, and the only reason you saw "sephiroth" at all before the north crater was cause the jenova parts were imitating him specifically to lead cloud around
really feels more like they were working together towards a common goal, or that spehiroth gave a human will to space monster that doesn't really think

>>715044083
JENOVA is long since dead so I'm fairly sure he's just puppeting around the body parts of his dead mom and dressing them up to look like him.
Though again I'm fairly sure the game (or at least Hojo) goes out of his way to tell you that Sephiroth's will overpowered JENOVA, though I could be misremembering.

>>715038339 (OP)
Reminds me of how Snake in MGS3 lets the bosses monologue when he could just shoot them.

>>715039767
>it's either a sequel universe that takes place after the original game/extended universe, or it's a timeline that takes place in a way that allows Sephiroth to know what happened in the original time line.
Wow, it's even worse than I'd feared

>>715047904
See the way I see it, I never really gave a shit about the extended universe. I saw AC once back in high school and Crisis Core looks neat but I never touched any of the other games.
For me, the best possible sequel to FF7 is FF7. Same beats but with a twist.
Sure some of the extra shit bleeds in; the lab under Shrina HQ, whoever those guys were from the end of Intermission, and we'll probably see Genesis before part 3 is done, but other than that I just get an extension of the story that is also the same story.
And with any luck part 3 will be the definitive end to Sephiroth and we never get anything else again

>>715048139
>For me, the best possible sequel to FF7 is FF7. Same beats but with a twist.
What are the odds, the best possible outcome was exactly what we got

>>715040943
Is this supposed to be confirmed? I thought for decades it was Jenova doing everything. The most we see of the real Sephiroth is in the flashbacks and at the very end. I never even heard this opposite theory until now.

Sephiroth is frozen in the North Crater, that's Jenova assuming Sephiroth's form to fuck with Cloud. "Sephiroth" doesn't appear until immediately after Jenova escapes Shinra HQ. Dr. Gast's research finds that Jenova is able to mimic the form of the Cetra. She does the same with Sephiroth, to mentally abuse Cloud. That's why the final-final-final fight is Cloud fighting Sephiroth one on one in his own mind, easily dispatched with an attack that's complete overkill, now that Cloud is able to see clearly. Thank you for reading my livejournal

>>715042298
> Sephiroth's descent to madness is a lot more fleshed out and interesting
Reads about his mom and himself, has a mental breakdown, develops a delusional personality.

Sephiroth is known for his "one-winged angel" theme and Tetsuya Nomura's design. For 80% of the game you're chasing Sephiroth, only to discover he was already dead and merged himself with Genova.

Kefka is involved early on in the story, makes decisions that involve close betrayal and results in the iconic "ruined world". Even his final speech about the fragility of hope and dreams further cements himself as an embodiment of nihilsm which in return was possibly the result of the magitek experimentation. Kefka is probably the best antagonist the FF series is going to get, simple yet downright evil.

Ever since FF7's success this series has been cursed by it's own fanbase.

>>715050802
Not to mention the fact that Kefka elevated himself to the status of God making FF6 one of the few games where the concept of "killing God" is entirely justified.

Also "Dancing Mad" mogs "One-winged Angel"

>>715039969
that's for part 3

>>715045040
Snake letting The End die of old age is still the peak of “this could’ve been avoided” boss fights. Man just lies down in the grass for a week and croaks, and Snake’s probably in the bushes somewhere eating Russian instant noodles. Letting the monologuing happen is just tradition by that point.

>>715048669
Hojo says as much in-game.

>>715052646
Oh, Hojo said it? Okay then, I trust that guy. Reliable dude.

>>715039487
>>715040074
You morons have no idea what being a great villain means. A villain is a vehicle for the narrative, and Sephiroth is the perfect narrative foil for BOTH of FF7's storyline (the story of Cloud's mental health and the story of the planet)

Dialogue and characterization are irrelevant depending on the context. In this context it actually helps that Sephiroth is a mostly silent killer.

>>715039487
Did the 7R troonmake teach you nothing? Less is more!
since the OG game square have utterly destroyed the mystique and Menacing qualities of Sephiroth.
and in 7R reduced him to a pathetic homosexual stalker.

>>715052646
Hojo talks about the Reunion Theory, no? Sephiroth seemingly does everything Jenova would do, so I don't buy it.

>>715049713
You understand that while Sephiroth's body is in the north crater his will is in the life stream. He is assuming direct control of Jenova, Jenova is just a puppet body for him to go out into the world. You never stop directly interacting with Sephiroth

>>715053504
And Sephiroth's will is *checks notes* attempting to do exactly what Jenova wants


Cool, cool. Got it.

>>715053504
Jenova or the cells can't enter the lifestream. The crystal is formed to protect the lifestream from Jenova(Sephiroth.

>>715040943
Yes but I think at some point the distinction between Sephiroth and Jenova started blurring.

>Is actually dead the whole time and we just fought jenova aliens throughout the game
Kinda boring

>>715039518
stop playing the shitty compilation garbage.
In the real FF7 Sephiroth doesn't even know who cloud is until late in the story.
there are only 2 reasons sephiroth monologues to cloud the few times that he does
1. Cloud keeps following him and Since cloud has Jenova cells Sephiroth figures he can bait him and use him to get the black materia and free him from the Northern Cave,
2. Sephiroth is kind of mad that cloud is the only one to best him but this is only after he realizes who cloud is.

>>715038339 (OP)
he looks like a female goth girl with black lips. hot.

>>715053731
But Sephiroth literally sends his will through the life stream to control his clones, it's stated in game by Hojo.

>>715054295
In the real FF7 Sephiroth is gas lighting Cloud because the entire thing is driven by revenge. He wants Cloud to feel insignificant when in reality he's the only one who can stop him.

>>715057587
Jenova is enacting its will through its cells, which hojo put into all of those clones. Play the game again.

>>715057587
Jenova is not from Gaia, so it's not part of the life cycle of the planet. It can't enter the lifestream. It's an Eldritch The Thing horror and that controls all its cells and beckons them to unite for a common purpose.

>>715039487
And that's a good thing.

>>715038339 (OP)
>gets out of his little materia egg
>doesn't say a single word afterwards

I tried playing 6 but it just didn’t grip me like 7 did

Hojo was the closer to the real villain of the game

>>715059137
grip this *unzips dick*

>>715059360
Jenova's goal is to consume the life force of the planet. Shinra's business activities are literally already doing this, regardless of Jenova's existence at all. The true enemy of the game is capitalism.

We must do everything we can to make Sephiroth's role in the OG look bad so we can claim the remake improved it no matter what it is.

>>715048669
NTA but I believe it goes something like
>sephiroth is born, raised, and grows into the man during the nibelheim mission
>mindbreaks himself when he find jenova in the reactor and reads ghasts reports that incorrectly identify jenova as a cetra
>the breakdown in willpower/identity along with the proximity to jenovas body makes his jenova cells kick in and start influencing him(still in control of his actions but heavily distorted his mindspace)
>torches nibelheim, recovers jenova gets thrown into the lifestream
>the jenova cells keep him from dissipating into the lifestream and comes to learn the truth about the cetra and jenova
>regains stability in his mind while traversing the lifestream and overpowers jenovas will allowing him to control jenovas body/influence those with jenova cells
>no longer sees himself at human since he considers himself to be jenovas progeny
>decides to enact the plan to summon meteor and juice himself with lifestream

>>715060323
this guy are sick

>>715059725
Feminine or masculine dick?

>>715060094
Well said my Communist comrade.

>>715060323
The thing is though, he is still doing everything Jenova does. Jenova the name was undoubtedly derived from Jehovah/Yahweh, the Biblical god. Some say it's an amalgam of Jehovah and Nova, meaning New God. Sephiroth is a Hebrew name also. Almost like it's god and her son.

By the way, the Japanese never really trusted Christians since they first washed up on the island. They were Shintoist/Buddhist and believed in the afterlife and rebirth. The Christian God was very alien to that philosophy and seemed like it would consume everyone in Japan.

>>715059725
*rips it off*
hehe guess I don’t know my own strength. All that training paid off. *throws hand behind my head and rubs while smiling*

>>715060238
That thing you thought was good? It’s actually bad because I reduced it and qualified it down then called those things bad.

>>715060094
And then everyone clapped

>>715042336
Sephiroth is more of a "my name is Notim Portant"

>>715063036
I like when people do that to the OG but not when they do it to remake

>>715060094
The planet has two great enemies, Jenova the ancient enemy of the planet and Mankind (Shinra) the modern enemy. Sephiroth is the synthesis of both, the ultimate nemesis to the planet

>>715062948
There is no meaning to this distinction unless you are trying to absolve Sephiroth of responsibility or claim that he is not acting with intent against the planet or Shinra.
He chooses to do what he knows he's capable of, and never treats jenova as anything other than a tool. Supernova illustrates that he has no concern for actually absorbing life- only ending it

>>715062948
Sephiroth and Jenova are one being. Sephiroth is the brain of a giant macro organism with cells around the world called Jenova.

>>715038339 (OP)
nortubel has better villains

are kefkafags the most annoying fags on planet earth

>>715038339 (OP)
He was frozen in Mako for most of the game

He looked cool and had a long weeb sword.
That's 90% of his mystique.

>>715064537
And psychically controlling his clones/Jenova to manifest in the surface world

>>715038339 (OP)
>everyone, both ingame and in real life hype Sephiroth as this giga badass super villain
>he actually just goes crazy and gets killed by lvl 1 pre Hojo experiments Cloud
>90% of his appearances during the game are a clone

>B-but the expanded universe and the rema-
Fuck off

>>715065267
>B-but the expanded universe and the rema-
All of that shit made FF7 so fucking unappealing. Nomura is a massive closeted HACK

>>715065267
>>everyone, both ingame and in real life hype Sephiroth as this giga badass super villain
>>he actually just goes crazy and gets killed by lvl 1 pre Hojo experiments Cloud
>>90% of his appearances during the game are a clone
and that was kino

>The sefirot are described as channels of divine creative life force or consciousness through which the unknowable divine essence is revealed to mankind.
>sephiroth is barely a character and exists only to extoll an alien entity's will onto the planet

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>715065267
>huh why isn't he acting the same as every giga hyper villain in every other generic animeslop I consume
You're so close to understanding

>>715038339 (OP)
In the original game there wasnt much of sephiroth out of his presentation, which is pretty good. But his goals felt really...old school. From a time when villains thought destroying the world and then rule made sense. I can accept that in characters like kefka since they are crazy and nihilistic, but in sephiroth it needed some characterization. Ive seen some people claim that Kefka has more depth than it shows, like after he won he goes through a phase of "ok, i won...now what?" and then realized not even power and winning made sense, but theres no evidence in-game about it. Kefka at the end is as crazy as always. Theres nothing wrong with that, he is established as such.
Back to Sephiroth, one could say it made sense since Jenova goal was to feed on lifestream and the fuck off to another planet to do the same, but thats something Advent children introduced and i doubt people here want to make AC canon or relevant. So, we just got sephiroth and jenova goal to feed on lifestream, become god and...then nothing. Just short term goals.

Now, remake sephiroth / jenova goal is more interesting. Its like a fusion of Seymour, Ultimecia and Jenova, with the Matrix sprinkles on it. He basically wants to create the promise land, an eternal place where everyone is happy and nobody dies, giving him and jenova all the lifestream they want and feeding his god complex. Everyone dreams/delusions/griefs and negative emotions create the lifestream branches and Sephiroth wants to fuse it with the real one, creating essentially a never-ending battery of lifestream that jenova and sephiroth can feed on forever. But for sephiroth thats also alright for him and the world. Nobody dies, Cloud gets to see aerith again, Sephiroth is special, eternal and not just another soul that fuses with the lifestream. Thats literally the matrix.

>>715067763
>old school
absolutely nothing wrong with that

>>715067886
Yeah well, tell that to the people in the 00's that thought villains are boring when they are just one note and that they prefer morally grey villains.

>>715068028
>tell that to people 20 years ago in a decade when this game wasn't released

>>715068215
FF7 was released in 97'. In the middle of the '00s and 10's people started making more ironic games in general which led to villains being not so villains.