Thread 715056023

Is piracy stealing?

No.
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>>715056023 (OP)
No, it's lending.
Should the one get compensation for it, maybe.
Should you own the product you buy?

>>715056180
/thread

>>715056023 (OP)
isnt this statement anti semitic?

>>715056023 (OP)
I don't care
If I want the game and I don't want to pay for it I will pirate it

>>715056023 (OP)
"Pirating" was never stealing. It's copyright infringement.
That is not dependant on whether buying a game is a purchase. That's a cringe phrase.

>>715056023 (OP)
Yes

Notch has a small hairy penis.

laws don't matter. enforcement matters. if they want to throw you in jail for interacting with some pixels on your screen in an unsanctioned manner, they will do so. they'll maybe write some laws to make it illegal later, if they feel like it.

morality is purely academic. the winner is the one who defeats his enemies.

NINTENDO DO SOMETHING
NOTCH IS LAUGHING AT YOU

>>715056023 (OP)
Thread is quite civilized by this point. Let's hope a kike won't name everyone who agrees with piracy a subhuman.

I dont understand how this dude is still fat and bald.
He has nothing but money and free time, and he has whined about having 'nothing to do' in the past.
Why dont these people strive to become the living embodiment of gigachad, I dont understand.

>>715056731
what does that have to do with the topic
we're not all obsessed with other men's penises like you

>>715056023 (OP)
no.
it used to be but not anymore.

>>715056023 (OP)
stupid question, if piracy was theft they'd call it theft, not piracy. they coined the term "pirating" because they had to tacitly admit it was not in fact, stealing.

>>715057175
Pirates stole. What pirates used to do was stealing.

>>715056023 (OP)
How can be stealing if nobody owns it?

>>715056971
being a gymcel doesn't make you gigachad.
he's 175 cm. he will never be considered a Chad.

i can bet my ass that notch is still browsing in here

>>715056412
Imagine being able to claim ownership over a number.

>>715057287
We're not talking about age of exploration buccaneers here anon, we're talking about the modern coined definition of internet piracy. they don't call it software theft, they call it software piracy, and they don't call it software theft because even the mass media as retarded as they are can't quite bring themselves to call it "theft".

>>715057175
>>715057323
pirates rape, rob and murder. they specifically chose that term to demonize the practice.

>>715057323
How is identity theft stealing if you can still use your own name at the same time I do?

>>715056761
you're not clever. morality is itself a weapon you retard. your words and ideas can be used to persuade others to act the way you want them to. this isn't even malicious or manipulative in the vast majority of cases.

>"don't bulldoze that wall"
why not?
>"because it holds up the roof"
oh.

but you'd call that hurr durr just words and muh violence is the supreme authority.

>>715057493
>pirates rape
considering sailors were pretty much all men.... damn, never realized pirates were all faggots, that's pretty depressing

>>715057450
true. bank accounts are ridiculous. we should own nothing and be happy.

>>715057452
Why do you think they chose the term "pirate"? Because everybody understands that pirates were thieves. There are many different words for thief, are you trying to say that burglars were never really considered thieves because they used a different name?

>>715056971
if the thing holding you back is personality flaws you must collide with reality at such speed and to such destructive effect that you can no longer see yourself as a functional, good, worthwhile person. you must have absolutely no defences of yourself left. every excuse must be proven false. only then are you capable of discarding your self and building a new one.

notch is a billionaire. he will never improve.

i mean this literally. notch cannot stick to a workout plan because of his... not personality per se, but also not mental illness. sort of like subclinical temperament unsuitability. but he is not sufficiently desperate to go through the wounding self-obliteration required to reconfigure his self to be able to do so.

source: i used to be a fat sack of shit now i'm a roidcel.

>>715057431
even if hes not a 2m tall muscle monster he can become an athletic 1.75m dude instead of a fat neckbearded slob

>>715056180
/thread

If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing

>>715056023 (OP)
If buying isn't owning then no.

>>715056180
/thread

>>715057643
they chose the word pirate to associate it with theft, yes, but they never outright call it theft, because they can't answer the question "what was stolen?, nothing of yours is missing".

>>715056023 (OP)
Who cares? Stealing from corporations is morally correct.

>>715056023 (OP)
No, it is unauthorized file sharing.

>>715057579
My opinion is that it's fair for them to ask for money for them to tell you the number, but what happens to that number beyond that point is out of their control.
And in your point, keeping the number a secret is mine and my bank's responsibility.

>>715056023 (OP)
Copying files, or "piracy," is not piracy.

>>715057856
>nothing of yours is missing
Yet the word theft is used in cases where nothing of yours is missing so that's clearly not really a concern. An example was actually mentioned earlier.

>>715056971
you can't just unbald yourself once the entire top is a barren desert
you think Bezos would be bald if you could buy hair?

>>715057860
Stealing is never morally correct. Don't sneak that in there you filthy commie.
Copying, however, is perfectly fine, and shouldn't be illegal.
"Piracy" is not theft.

>>715058121
You can unbald yourself. Musk did it. However, you need to to basically scalp the skin off your ass and glue it to your cranium.

>>715056023 (OP)
Am I depriving the owner access to it without their consent?

>>715056023 (OP)
Piracy can never be stealing regardless because you are not substracting anything

>>715056023 (OP)
notch has a very small pinis but he is right about this one

>>715058568
Retelling another comedian's jokes is stealing, Carlos.

>>715056023 (OP)
>If buying a game is not a purchase, then pirating them is not theft.
Why did this stupid fucking phrase ever attain such traction in the first place? People keep repeating it fucking everywhere. It's a dumb fucking phrase that concedes to copyright trolls.

Filesharing is NOT THEFT even when buyiung a game is ownership. Filesharing is never theft.

>>715056023 (OP)
Yes.
And?

>>715056023 (OP)
This quote is finally spreading. Jews cannot disprove it

>>715056023 (OP)
never was, its a copyright violation

just more games will migrate to service model - you dont buy a game as a good, you pay for a temporary access to a service - and that's how it will be framed for every game just to solve any potential legal dispute about the purchase

>>715058102
>Yet the word theft is used in cases where nothing of yours is missing
name 1 example

>>715056731
Based. He should put it on a steam deck.

>>715056180
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>>715059079
Identity THEFT >>715057516
Joke THEFT >>715058687
Nothing is missing and yet these are always referred to as theft

>>715056023 (OP)
i like pirating and getting my anime and games for free, but this sentence is retarded.
the first part of the sentence has nothing to do with the second part. that "then" is pure bullshit. pirating is copyright infringement, not theft, and it doesn't matter if "buying is not a purchase"

>>715056971
cause hes not an insecure faggot or a woman obsessed with looks like you zoomies are

>>715056023 (OP)
not really it's simply taking advantage of paypigs financing my free hobby. if women can extract resources from paypigs with no or low effort then i should be able to do the same in the name of equality

>>715059416
Based

>>715056023 (OP)
He's undeniably, 100% correct thoughbeit.

>>715059416
>if women can extract resources from paypigs with no or low effort then i should be able to do the same in the name of equality
You became a twitch reaction streamer?

>>715056023 (OP)
I like piracy because I played and beat THPS 3+4 before people who actually paid for it even got to play

>>715059250
Copyright infringement is still theft. You have unlawfully taken a person's services even if not their property without the required remuneration.

>>715058231
There are hormone treatments that fix balding. The promblem is they only work while you continuously do them.

>>715056180
/thread

>>715056023 (OP)
Online piracy is not.
It's literally just illegal copying, the original is still there, you didn't steal someone's CD or something.

>>715058231
>Gender affirming care

>>715056023 (OP)
What is being stolen?

>>715059850
>taken a person's services
That's gibberish. You cannot steal a service either, and an intellectual property is not even a service to begin with.

>>715060593
yeah just take hormones that shrink your balls, make you impotent and destroy your internal organs
just to look good for women

>>715056180
/thread

>>715056023 (OP)
If you agree with this you're brown
and if you're not brown you're still brown

>>715056023 (OP)
Why is he attacking a helpless nepo baby?

>>715056023 (OP)
can you pirate nortubel

>>715056942
>>715060952

>>715060770
>You cannot steal a service either
According to the law yes you can. That's why you can't just not pay employees.
Development of that IP is the service, you dingaling.

>>715059249
Both of those damage the owner while software piracy does not.

>>715056023 (OP)
I hate valve and CDPR so I dont care

>>715060806
I mean didn't Musk also have a kid? So it clearly doesn't make you impotent. Also if you're rich there are hair transplant surgeries you can do. But more importantly, if you're balding, it's better to just shave it and go with the bald look. Plenty of dudes look good with a shaved head, if they take care of themselves and hit the gym, like a Jason Statham for example. Or The Rock. Batista. Obviously you won't look AS GOOD as them but if you just shave it and hit the gym, you'd look better than some fat balding obese piece of shit yapping on the internet. It's just that the average person doesn't have the discipline to do that. It's much easier to sit on their fat ass and whine and feel sorry for themselves than to get up and put in the work needed to transform themselves.

>>715059416
>if women can extract resources from paypigs
Crazy how that's the first example you think of and not CEOs.

>>715061636
How do they damage the owner while this doesn't? You can try to argue that someone pirating a game was never going to be a sale but that's simply not true, there only needs to be one case where a person would have paid up if piracy wasn't readily available to them and the entire thing has directly lost that IP owner owed revenue.

>>715058231
>scalp the skin off your ass
They cut a strip of flesh off the back of your head, where hair thinning doesn't usually reach, and harvest individual follicles from it

>>715056180
/thread

>>715056023 (OP)
You can't really steal something that has no physical substance... Can you steal oxygen? Of course not! Some people might want to put tax to profit from the air you breathe so you could say that in a way you pirate it. So no, piracy isn't stealing.

>>715060806
I didn't say you should do it, I said it works.
Men should bald gracefully and fret about it so much.

>>715056023 (OP)
To be honest if you pirate Nintendo's products you should probably be put on a death row list.

>>715062751
A man without a luxurious mane billowing freely in the wind is barely a man at all

>>715061087
No, you retard, you cannot steal a service. "Steal" is a very specific term with a clear cut definition.
What you just described is slavery, not theft.

>>715056023 (OP)
Yes. But File-sharing is wholesome and kind.

>>715062858
Larceny is a very specific term, steal is not.

>>715062238
You can't really make a good generalization of people who pirate because the use case for piracy is as unique as the individual. In my case, there are plenty of games I would buy for a lower price, but these games never go on a reasonable sale (think Nintendo Switch titles). There have been several cases where I have pirated a game only to purchase it (even for full price) at a later date because I felt the game was worth the money after having played it.

>>715056023 (OP)
>buying a game is not a purchase
>there are thus no legal means to purchase the item
What's a good person to do when they want to purchase something but it's unavailable?

>>715060806
You do realize the side effects (impotence, shrinking balls, etc.) are the result of not doing it carefully like under a doctor’s supervision right? The problem is they suppress your natural hormone production and you can’t just quit cold turkey and expect things to restart all by themselves.

>>715057528
Except someone could slit your throat and bulldoze that wall anyway. You will get a reality check when you grow up a little bit

The adage about "if buying isn't owning" doesn't matter. It sounds clever but it isn't. If you don't agree to terms and conditions of a service that does not entitle you to free access to that service. Simple as. Pirate all you want but grandstanding about it is just cringe

Jesus pirated bread and fish, therefore pirating is morally correct

>>715063801
Games shouldn't be a "service" imo (unless specific exceptions).
>Release game.
>Get money from sales.
>Done.
it's should've been that simple...
The jewbauchery of gaming companies to milk gamers should be over and ridiculed.

>>715056023 (OP)
Maybe. But it doesn't really matter cos I'll still do it regardless. :^)

>>715056023 (OP)
if buying is not owning, then pirating is not stealing

>>715056023 (OP)
No. Copyright is also a massive grift being run by law firms and major companies. It's not being run at a human scale that makes sense for cultural and industrial development, because that would mean being unable to run frivolous lawsuits for multiple years, which would diminish its usefulness as makework for the legal profession (They would just completely lose interest if the duration dropped to something that couldn't be stretched out over the course of a bloody court case) or as an anti-competitive tool for major companies (look up Audigy vs Creative for an example).
>>715059249
One is fraud, the other is misattribution.
>>715059850
Pirates typically use the services of other people to download and maintain their files, so you're not even using someone else's service.
>>715061087
That service is paid for by the publisher. The service you pay the publisher for (by proxy of the storefront usually) is distribution, and in the case of piracy the publisher does not distribute games. You are not paying for the service of development unless you back a kickstarter or similar crowdfunding/investment bullshit.
>>715063801
Pirates don't take advantage of any services other than those freely given by other pirates, or which are made freely available.

>>715056023 (OP)
Pirating them was never theft to start with you dumbass. Copyright infringement is a completely different violation governed by an entirely different set of laws. It was NEVER theft, I am so sick of this retarded fucking gotcha phrase that was most likely made up by a corporate thinktank to herd dumb cattle into believingg that piracy actually is theft, but is "Justified because you don't own it". No, retards. It is not theft. It never had been. It never will be.

Are the Europeans thinking that the government will pay to keep these live service games running?
It feels like the majority of people who signed that petition don't realize that when you purchase a game you're not paying for ownership of the game, you're paying for a license to use the software. It's always been like this.
I guess Notch is a good example of that because pirating is theft, but buying a game does not mean ownership of that game.

>>715062619
I mean, you technically can steal oxygen. Just go up to a high pressure tank of it, and leech some into your tank without paying!

>>715064393
>Pirates don't take advantage of any services other than those freely given by other pirates
I guess the games just popped into existence spontaneously one day

>>715064768
Damn, someone must have bought it and distributed it themselves! THOSE THIEVING NIGGERS.

>>715063661
>Except someone could slit your throat and bulldoze that wall anyway
no u

>>715064768
Just because you're not paying me for my posts doesn't mean you can't read them.
Developing the game is a service paid for by the publisher, but this doesn't inherently entitle them to any money or sales, whether this is due to piracy or simply because no one buys the damn things.

>>715058121
>you think Bezos would be bald if you could buy hair?
Yes? I think it's the brand he had a PR firm curate for himself.

I never thought that the pro-corporate whores and the communists would eventually come to agree that the concept of private property needs to be abolished.

>>715056180
/thread

>>715056023 (OP)
buying a game is a purchase
pirating is not stealing

>>715056180
/thread