The meta will be Kanji, Chie, Teddie.
Teddie will get all the buffs + healing. Chie will get crit amp and Kanji will get Phys amp

>meta
>in persona
godamn dude

>>715059258
>you must not talk about the gameplay
>only goon to the girls
I fucking hate nu-/v/

>Demake

Who cares?

Don't care about the meta. Play the way you want.

>>715059389
metaslavery isn't gameplay. it's letting someone else tell you how to play so that you can remove whatever miniscule challenge person has.

>>715059389
>the only possible gameplay discussion to be had is some presumed minmax strats
ok

>>715058740 (OP)
Not buying it unless they make the combat more interesting. Clair Obscur changed the game for jarpigs. I can't go back to boring, non-interactive combat and most people feel the same way. They could easily add parries and such to spice it up.

>>715058740 (OP)
What was P3R's meta?

>>715059389
metaslaving a singleplayer game is insane behaviour

>>715059867
>Ken/Koromaru/Mitsuru for exploring
>Junpei/Aigis/Akihiko for tartarus bosses (unless they resist phys then your goto will be Ken/Koromaru/Mitsuru) and like the 2 full moon bosses where you have access to everyone
In episode aigis the meta is:
>Ken/Koromaru/Metis for the entirety of the abyss as it gives you all magical and physical elements in one package while providing every single utility you will ever need including shit like Dekaja
>Junpei/Akihiko/Mitsuru or Junpei/Ken/Yukari also works well since that fight is all about spamming theurgies and Akihikos/Mitsurus Theurgies actually fucking sucks

>>715059389
Imagine playing a game like Persona where the whole concept is about getting to live out a year however you want and deciding to minmax it. Literal NPC behavior

>singleplayer game where you can customize your party, equipment, and personas to your hearts content
>meta

damn it feels good not to be a retard

>>715059389
talking about the gameplay is one thing but talking about meta in fucking persona, which is extremely dumbed down SMT and isn't even slightly a challenge even on hardest, is fucking retarded
it's like talking about meta in powerwash simulator

>>715058740 (OP)
Just use who you like persona games are easy.
>.t harem chad

>>715061490
>>715061450
>>715061373
>>715059937
>>715059654
>>715059536
>>715059528
Are you guys just mad that the only game where Yukari is good in is P3P and even in that game Phys spam with rage becomes the meta for margaret?
Like, discussing the meta is fine, nobody is saying that there are unviable party members anyway

>>715058740 (OP)
>The meta will be Kanji, Chie, Teddie.
>Teddie will get all the buffs + healing. Chie will get crit amp and Kanji will get Phys amp

lol. Noob.
Making the perfect persona that's immune or absorb every element is the one and only meta for every Persona game.

>mass reply faggot talks about something completely irrelevant
not even a (you) for that holy shit you persona trannies are so annoying

>>715061783
Ok good luck with the elizabeth and joker boss fights.

>>715058740 (OP)
The meta is just make an overpowered persona and have the protag solo the game like every nu sona
Especially p4 which unless rhey change anything is probably the easiest game to just fully check on on physical and 1 tap everything

>>715058740 (OP)
>meta
>for a persona game
Nigger is a fucking visual novel

>>715058740 (OP)
It's be Yu and Yukiko as it should be.

>>715059389
nobody is minmaxing in fucking persona before the superboss what the fuck? if you do you dont even need a team because after golden you can just fuse immunities onto even the shittiest personas and roll the game

>>715061860
>make sound argument
>you’re just a seething tranny talking about irrelevant shit
Ok

>>715058740 (OP)
>Teddie will get all the buffs + healing
I'm actually 100% expecting this. Yukiko will get most, if not all of her healing stripped away and will be pure dps like how Ann was

>>715061759
P3 was always run one party member piece, one crush, because you get slash, one healer, and fill in the rest of the elements yourself. Mitsuru is a healer debuffer but Marin Karin so Yukari stays useful since she's a healer plus she has pierce, unless you're using Aigis, who also has pierce, she's always be the better choice since she doesn't waste SP trying to charm uncharmable enemies

>>715061987
>nobody is minmaxing before the superboss
Taking a set of characters that covers every weakness or are really good at boss-killing is not “min-maxing” anon. Maybe don’t get mad when people discuss this kinda stuff and your favorite character doesn’t get mentioned? I don’t see a single post in the thread calling out someone for that

>>715061889
don't need luck when you are immune or absorb every element.

>>715058740 (OP)
The game's piss easy anyway, who cares
This isn't Clair Obscur

>>715062157
my favorite character is getting swift strike upgraded into rape machine via cards in the second dungeon

>>715062185
Yeah especially if they bring in golden shuffle time which broke all difficulty in half. You could get endgame attacks by the 2nd dungeon with very little effort.
But p4 only has 7 attack types its very easy to make yourself immune to everything

I should replay Persona 5

>completly worthless until like November when his plot Social Link maxes out
lmao no

>>715061759
>discussing the meta is fine
No it's not, fuck off.

>>715058740 (OP)
i only ever use the ladies
episode aigis was great cause i had a party of four beautiful ladies

>>715062136
Yukari stops being useful because she only covers 2 elements and her phys one is her regular attack.
>original p3 and fes
Elemental weapons mean Ken and Koromaru are the best at doing AoA, Kens elemental weapon is also wind and he gets physical pierce skills including primal force making Yukari entirely irrelevant and a downgrade compared to him. Akihiko is the strongest party member attacker in the game while also having all the relevant debuffs. Aigis is really weak in this game due to her lack of multipliers and phys not being as strong in this game as others. Its also worth noting that both Akihiko and Aigis suffer from having less turns to attack if you bring both making Junpei more useful.
>p3p
Elemental weapons are nerfed affecting Ken and Akihikos damage output while yukari gets a wind boost bow. This is the only game where she is good at dealing damage. Margarets boss fight benefits from using physical attackers however which is where the dick move arises.
>p3r
Yukari once again gets the weakest attacks in this game because her wind skills stop at Garudyne. She is essentially in the same exact spot as Morgana was in p5 except she can’t get Debilitate. You could argue that her being the only one with garu access still makes her useful in some explorations but Mitsuru gets Marakunda which is more useful than Masukunda, making garu the ideal element to cover with MC, Mitsurus passive can also be more useful than Yukaris in explorations. Ironically enough Yukaris passive is good for healing everyone at once at a cheap cost in the entrance floor. Aigis, Junpei and Akihiko all deal the most amount of damage no questions asked in that game. Yukaris only real relevance is her wind theurgy if up against a tartarus boss weak to wind. Koromaru and Yukaris charge/concentrate theurgies actually suck because by the time you get them you can also get items that give the same effect, you also use fuuka for that buff and it also wastes their solid damage one

>>715062185
You do realize you get punished with a loss in those fights if you do that right?

>>715059389
Persona is such an easy series that the very suggestion of meta is ludicrous since it's baby's first jrpg

>>715062959
Well to be exact by the time you get yukaris theurgy. But I still think Koromarus charge theurgy isn’t worth it since it wastes his good dark one.
In terms of theurgy damage yukari and koromaru actually have one of the strongest theurgies.
>theurgy damage: Junpei > Aigis > Ken > Yukari = Koromaru > Akihiko > Mitsuru
The only reason Mitsuru can potentially outdamage Ken is her ultimate endgame weapon, and Akihiko needs to be buffed to reach Aigis’s damage threshold.

>>715058740 (OP)
I mean, I'm not mad at it but P4 golden still stands up really well so I figured this should have been last for a remake.


I would have perfered a persona 1 and 2 remake and remaining with a social system and improved design. But what do I know.
I'm sure a remake of a popular game will sell like hotcakes

>>715063391
It'll sell well and /v/ will seethe about it selling well

>>715058740 (OP)
>>715059389
>Fill up Theurgy bar
>Win
Atlus has intentionally gotten rid of the gameplay.

>>715063595
>Atlus has intentionally gotten rid of the gameplay.
0 gameplay is the entire design philosophy of persona

>>715058740 (OP)
that already was my team except yousuke instead of kanji

>>715058740 (OP)
>meta
>in a game with the most mind numbing, piss easy dungeon crawling
What's the point

>>715062771
Sounds like the kind of shit Yosuke would say.
>I'm not a fag bro look I have a party of only women because I like women and not men

>>715063391
>I would have perfered a persona 1 and 2 remake
Never happening for the same reason that RE went with 4R instead of CV or 0. The suits will always prefer remaking already popular fan favorite games that are guranteed to sell even more than they originally did, instead of giving less popular entries a chance.

Persona 2:
Repentance

>>715061783
>he says as if the games dont include fights where the boss get pissy and start OHKOing with almighty if they cant do any damage

>>715064415
that's why "why don't they remake bad games instead of good ones" is always the funniest shit. good games already know what works while you basically have to remake jank ones from the ground up
if P2 ever gets remade 100% they will be making it more like P3 and beyond, with more emphasis on romance
so aka trash

>>715063786
>in a game with the most mind numbing, piss easy dungeon crawling
It's not that easy on the hardest difficulty. It becomes brainded like 70-80% in when you can fuse Yoshitsune.
You didn't beat the game if you played on "normal".

>>715059867
Akihiko is the strongest party member, magic is gimped like every post P3 game not named P5R.

>>715058740 (OP)
>>715059258
>>715059389
>blocks your path

>>715063595
Eh this only really applies to base game p3r.
I thought episode aigis had solid difficulty throughout. They really shouldn’t have given Metis Bufu/Garu spells though, it made it so you could make a party consisting of every single element so Aigis input wasn’t really needed most of the time.

Did the gameplay changes to P3 Remake break the game? Like I heard they gave everyone a super special ultimate attack. Did they adjust the difficulty of the game to compensate for the new tools given?

>>715065206
Not a good persona. But honestly even IF you did a Yoshitsune thats actually good this is only applicable to damage sponge boss fights and thats not really a thing in p5r. It is in p4g tho but that just makes Kanji and Yukiko into the meta.

P4G was not overly difficult even on hard mode, so who cares

>>715062959
Mind Charge is garbo in pre Reload (purely a SP saving measure since its a damage loss) and all dyne level spells had the same power. Even Yukari had better output than Mitsuru did by virtue of stats.
Not like it matters anyway

>>715058740 (OP)
>>715059389
Holy shit your generation is so mind fucked.

>>715065256
>did they adjust the difficulty
They added Merciless but it didn’t really help.
I played the regular campaign on hard and episode aigis on heartless.
On hard there were several bosses I could one shot using theurgies and the game had to cap the damage they took to phase transition. In episode aigis the boss difficulty felt more consistent and they didn’t feel like I was one shotting them until i was near the end but it felt more like I was playing hard difficulty than something actually ball busting hard.
I dunno, maybe game knowledge makes the difficulty seem easier than it actually is since I make use of things like Karns, Dekaja, auto-buffs, etc almost on instinct. Episode aigis also lets you make a party that covers all elements, dekaja, auto-masukunda, healing and even debilitate by endgame so theres that too.
The two things in p3r that feels balanced for all the shit you get are elizabeth and joker. My issue with Elizabeth is that she doesn’t let you use party members or karns. Joker lets you use party members doesn’t let you use karns or even be fully buffed without him entering his one shot mode you need really specific party setups for that since the fight makes shit like mitsuru useful while making koromaru probably the worst character for it.

>>715065145
It's fucking easy as fucking fuck you retarded persona fag
Even on hardest it doesn't even compare to the first hour of an actual SMT game
they don't call this babies first JRPG for no reason

>>715065145
>you didn't beat the game arguments in a persona game
Actually lmaoing. Persona isn't a game series, it's an interactive saturday morning toonami anime series

>>715065256
Changes are okay. Still boring but at least you have control of your party this time round

>>715065603
Yukari has better damage output than Mitsuru only until Mitsuru gets concentrate and mitsuru is still more useful overall because she gets rakunda line and her passive allows for easier downs in tartarus. Yukaris only merit is 11sp mediarahan and a powerful wind nuke.
You can’t even say concentrate is a waste of sp on mitsuru because you’d only use it on bosses and she has spirit drain as well.

>>715065145
>It's not that easy on the hardest difficulty.
I know we're talking about p4 but it's very bizarre how persona 5's max difficulty ends up being the easiest difficulty in the game

>>715066098
Mind Charge is just 1.9x in FES lmao. They giga buffed it in Reload. Same for Power Charge.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/937269-shin-megami-tensei-persona-3-fes/80935729

Magic deserves to be better than Physical for a change

>>715065913
>my preferred flavor of elemental rock paper scissors is better than yours
They're both piss easy.

>>715058740 (OP)
Its a jrpg for kids, calm your tits for fucks sake

>>715066665
Magic was better in the older games. IIRC the strongest persona in royal scales off magic too (Izanagi Picaro).
In spinoffs, it was preferable to make Serph into a mage in DDS1 and Devil Survivor games encourage magic due to phys skills being rarer, so a phys mc would leave you with a usual team mate.

>>715058740 (OP)
Can't wait for the new wave of tourists spamming posts about how Kanji is gay and Naoto is trans.

>p3 and p3fes
Mildly difficult at the start, piss easy by the time you get a fourth party member, easiest game to trivialize due to fusion spells.
>p3p
About the same as p3 and fes but slightly more demanding due to clock costing money and fusion spells being consumables.
>p4 and p4 golden
Trivially easy because it lets you farm sp restoring items from the moment you unlock Yosuke. Every boss is a damage sponge you really only use specific strats for yosuke, yukiko and chie shadows. Hopefully remake will fix this game because it has by far the easiest endgame bosses, even margaret.
>p5 and p5r
Overall hardest games and the ones that make the most use of its mechanics like technicals.
>p3r
On hard it feels like you’re playing on normal. On merciless it feels like you’re playing on hard. The game is harder than p3 fes for sure but by the time you unlock siegfried it really starts to become brain dead. If we’re being fair you can’t do this until the penultimate tartarus block so at least 75% of the game feels consistently hard but theurgy is definitely unbalanced just like fusion spells were

>>715066665
This happened in smt4, p3fes and technically p3r, the problem is you need min maxed magic mastery persona for magic to outdo physical in that game. However, for elizabeth and joker specifically: Magic > phys. You even use junpeis magic theurgy on joker and its your best damage.

>>715065206
Cute

>>715066624
I was talking specifically about p3r not fes. If you wanna rank damage in fes then it would probably be
akihiko > Ken > junpei > Yukari > Mitsuru > Koromaru > Aigis
Iirc Ken and akihiko could stack spear/fist master, element boost and element amp with their elemental weapons for high powered basic attacks which also had higher base power than the Dyne spells
Junpei might actually have been worse damage than Yukari and Mitsuru I dont actually remember that well didn’t seem like it to me but Junpei had a very high str stat while Aigis was comparatively very low.

>>715058740 (OP)
What a gay meta

>>715067270
>using dlc
Not a valid playthrough in any sort of way. Anyone can use female orpheus and your picture for the entirety of the game and say the game was “easy”

how do I become good at these video games

This shit look so bad I even forgot it existed, worst reveal ever.

>P4
>Persona with resist phys
>Very early on I get that card that randomly upgrades a persona ability
>It turns resist phys into null phys
>I'm in kanji's dungeon and can null physical attacks
>Later on I roll that skill onto black frost who has no weakness and strong abilities
>Feed him all my stat cards
Who needs other personas

brave of them for remaking this game with the closet homo and wannabe tranny

>>715068114
Something like this but for Eligor.

>>715065913
>>715065975
lol you didn't beat the game

>>715066159
Yeah one below the hardest is the best for P5.

at what age should you stop playing the persona games?

>tfw was a high school student when P5 came out
>am now a working adult

>>715067807
You might get lucky and she’ll still be meta if she gets something like magic amp instead of healing apex

>>715068454
in fact, why arent you out hustling more money RIGHT NOW nigga? are you some kind of manchild who isn't perpetually grinding???

>>715068454
at what age should you stop playing video games?
at what age should you stop having hobbies?

>>715068454
>underage zoomer browsing /v/
>shitposting any non-gooner discussion
Of course

>>715068454
>actual unironic zoomer posting about games for “kids”
This is the most embarassing kind of post I encounter on /v/. It feels like your generation just stagnated and stayed permanently underaged. You sound like the type of faggot I would encounter in my high school 20 years ago that would say videogames are for losers.

>>715068454
You will be a kid forever, there's no adults anymore.

>>715058740 (OP)
>Persona 4 Revival
>not calling it Persona 4 Rerun

>>715068106
Just make conserving SP your priority, and use the protagonist's SP before party members if you can. In Persona 4 look for Personas that have invigorate. In Persona 5 you need to save your SP in the first dungeon and after that IIRC you'll be able to get accessories that make SP conservation easy. Invigorate Personas also exist here, but they're unnecessary. I haven't touched the remake of Persona 3 so I have no idea what the meta is there.

>>715068335
No, I clicked through all the conversations and social links so I did beat it

>>715068184
It stars op?

>>715068454
I'm in my 20s and tried playing them but I just feel bored and embarrassed with all the high school shit going on. These games are clearly social fantasies aimed at actual social retards.

I
love
the TV world

>>715069290
I don’t think you can get death to 7 by the 2nd dungeon. I had sp adhesive 3 by the 3rd tho.

>>715068454
Simp coded post

>>715069507
So you think your high-school in muttland or whatever europoor country you're from is supposed to be the same as a in fictional Japan?

>>715059806
>Clair Obscur changed the game for jarpigs.
Paper Mario already did the timing-based interactions for low-attention span bottomfeeders decades ago you newbaby.

>>715070309
I think indulging in high school escapism as an adult is laughable

>>715070412
You sound exactly like a mid-20s guy thinking adult life is so much different and not cringe.
You'll see how dumb you've been in your 30s.

>>715070718
>adult life is so much different and not cringe.
It quite literally is better

>one healer
>one buff/debuff spammer
>one relevant element damage dealer
>main character to do buffing/debuffing/healing backup and as secondary DPS
Every time

>>715058740 (OP)
>meta
Persona has garbage gameplay. That's why every discussion is concerning story/characters. Wtf do you even have to minmax when minimal brainless fusion is enough

>>715059806
>If you throw yourself at the boss enough times, you'll have enough free damage mitigation to win
Unironically the antithesis of SMT. The entire point is to run off and make a different Persona Demon if you can't win a fight.

>>715061759
>1 fight
I literally couldn't care less. I just use whatever I feel like using when I play persona and it's fine. If you need to metafag thats a you problem because these games aren't hard

>>715059469
Lilo and Stitch did well (unfortunately) so this isn't really accurate.

>>715071427
Nobody is saying you can’t do that. Why is it that everytime meta is discussed everyone just assumes you’re attacking them for not using the meta? Fucking mentally ill and actually fucking insecure

>>715059469
P3r is better than fes anyway which was already a remake and Im not gonna sit here and pretend original p3 is the best version of that game to play

>>715061759
>meta
>in a vn
Huh

>>715070349
>comparing bing bing wahoo to a deep and complex parry system
Tendies, everybody.

>>715071770
Because whenever someone goes on a crusade to say something like “the meta doesn’t matter” or “its a single player game why would you discuss the meta” the real reason for their crusade is that their favorite character isn’t the meta.
Think about it. Why would someone, who supposedly doesn’t care about the meta, willingly respond like that unprovoked to a post talking about the meta?

why do you guys need to be so aggressive and negative all the time over everything. it's tiring

>>715072530
Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be called stupid.

>>715072729
that was my first post in this thread

>>715068454
Early 20s at most. It's like YAshit.

>>715069806
Can't you get SP adhesive 1 or 2 by the second dungeon? You should have more SP healing items at least.

>>715073579
I mean you can but thats a pretty big waste of money

>>715065206
Yoshitsune is overrated. Usually you can only fuse by the time the game is basically finished. I guess he's good for the secret bosses in P4&5, but that's about it.

>>715066924
so essentially the same old shit for the past 15+ years

>>715068454
I was in highschool when P3 came out, I'm getting married in November, and I'm still playing ATLUS games so idk

>>715058740 (OP)
Teddie will never be on my team

Fire gets no technicals to ann is the actual lowest damage of P5r not morgana or haru. You should build ann for technical support rather than spell mastet magic spam

>physical strat
Lower chance of getting shuffle time.

Magichads rein supreme once again.
>Yosuke
>Teddie
>Naoto

>>715059806
>They could easily add parries and such to spice it up.
>parries
>turn based
What part of "turn-based" do you and retards like yourself not understand?

>>715058740 (OP)
>sir another persona 4 release has hit the towers

>>715062314
It's pretty good, yeah.

>>715072530
Autism. No, really.

>>715068106
Use your brain and come up with some form of a strategy. If you simply spam whatever, you will die. That said, this is more so true for SMT. For Persona, for every game other than 3, spamming whatever usually works fairly well, but if you want to play on higher difficulties without much issue, you have to do this very novel thing called interacting with the games' mechanics.

>>715066665
physical only became stronger than magic from p4 and onwards

>but muh guns in p1
If you didn't suck at the game, you wouldn't have had to cheese random encounters with mute/charm bullets. All you need to do is literally just spam aoe attacks.

>>715058740 (OP)
For me it’s was
>Ryuji/Ann/Makoto
>Yukiko/Kanji/Naoto
>Akhiko/Yukari/Aigis

>>715058740 (OP)
I love Yukiko and will never remove her from my party despite whatever meme tiers or meta shit says.
Don't care if she gets nerfed or shit, she'll always be by my side.

>>715065913
>implying SMT is actually difficult
nigga please

>>715077186
Turn-based doesn't mean attacks have to be glorified cutscenes. Eternal Sonata, for example, has a turn-based combat system with full player control over a character's actions. Obese 40-year-old millennials simply can't move on from fucking PSX-era Final Fantasy and its 10-minute long animations designed to distract you from the fact that the game otherwise looked like shit.

>>715062232
>implying Clair meme isn't piss easy too.
actual faggot.

>>715065913
the only time SMT is difficult is III on hard

>>715072050
>complex

>>715078757
Just like how the only time Persona is hard is 3 on hard.

How strange...

>>715078445
Nah, qteslop gets tiring after a while. This is why I never finished Like a Dragon, you should either stick to turn based or go all the way into action instead of halfassing it.

>>715059867
Yukari/Mitsuru/Aigis
And I will not ellaborate further.

>>715078791
Name 5 other games that have at least 6 different types of dodge and/or parry that are all mechanically unique.

>>715063482
>/v/ will seethe
I thought /v/ consensus was P4 remake was a good thing.
>>715064415
Dunno about never, but you are right.
>Corporations
Lets remake the best selling game in ths franchise!
What do you mean we don't need to remake it it only came out 5 years ago and the technology leap to justify a remake is not that great?
LOOK! IT SOLD BIG NUMBER AND WILL SELL BIG NUMBER AGAIN!
>Never happen
Dunno about "never".
Leaker that caled P3 & P4 remake next said that P2 and P1 are up for remake status but due to them being so mechanically different from modern persona it's gonna be a while.
Resident Evil 1, 0 and Veronica are confirmed for remakes. I don't know what the hold up is but it seems like 4 getting a remake despite not really needing one was more because it was easier to do than the full overhauls the old games require.

>>715078232
Thats a pretty bad party setup for 3r after having parties with actual synergy for 2 other games.
>two weaknesses to elec

>>715079212
Yours is even worse. Coomer meta maybe. Enjoy the elec bosses I guess

>>715064415
Ok but Atlus is running out of original successful releases. What will they remake next? Fucking P5?

>>715063482
I also wanna clarify, I am fine with P4 getting a P5 coat of paint so younger generations can enjoy what is arguably the best Persona game.
I just think the old one is still mechanically and graphically good in the modern era and can still pass off its graphics as chibi design choices and not graphics aging poorly.

Honestly the best possible party setup to actually make use of Yukaris concentrate theurgy is Akihiko and Magic Junpei. The two guys just use physicals until yukari can concentrate them for them to use their magic theurgies with it. MC will have to be both the buffer and debilitator in that party though and its still less damage than having a 3rd member using an actual damage theurgy or something supportive
They should have just given yukari a full revive theurgy and given ken an aoe heat riser. Kens theurgy charges the fastest anyway

>>715079239
Your Only Move Is Hustle

>>715079954
I like challenges.

>>715078445
Legend of Dragoon did it first and it got tiresome after the first three hours.

I wish they ported SMT4 to modern systems instead

>>715080620
Im not sure I would call wasting two of your parties turn when the boss uses elec a “challenge” or “impressive” the actual good move would be to just swap your party around depending on boss and never use yukari and aigis together

>>715067807
I want to shove my face into Yukiko's pantyhose covered pussy and smell her panties so bad.

>>715078274
That's good. I do the same but with Yukari in all versions of 3. But I'm still expecting Yukiko to be the best standard party member

>>715081496
I can switch out yuk and ai for that boss then go back to them immediately after.