Why did VR lose?

it hasn't evolved from being a vrchat brick in almost 10 years

>>715061730 (OP)
>asus font
lmao
Latest Final Destination lookin lit fr fr no cap

Does it still cost thousands of dollars to get set up?
Does it still require very specific conditions?
Does it still require a relatively powerful pc?
Does it still require a wired connection?
Does it still have all the ergonomics of taping a brick to your face?

yeah. I thought so.

VR headsets never dropped to being cheap enough to buy just for like one week of gimmicky fun and all of them have annoying weird required accounts (facebook integration bullshit).
also you wouldn't die from falling on a glass table like that.

I don't want to strap something to my face to have fun. I don't even like wearing swimming goggles

>>715061730 (OP)
>stupid enough to play around a glass table
>stupid enough to get so invested in the game that you run around the apartment like a retard at full force
His own fault

>Does it still cost thousands of dollars to get set up?
>Does it still require very specific conditions?
>Does it still require a relatively powerful pc?
>Does it still require a wired connection?
the answer to all of these is no
people play vr on fucking phones and laptops
I've been playing vr shit for 2 years and have never at any point used wired connection

>>715064583
>people play vr on fucking phones and laptops
Yeah, in the same way I can play games on a fucking phone or laptop. Which is to say I wouldn't because it's a shitty, subpar experience.

Everyone was so quick to jump on the next big thing they forgot to give us a good reason to care beyond “it makes horror games scarier”

>>715061730 (OP)
Facebook buying occulus killed it

>>715061730 (OP)
this animation stinks of indian

Not enough devs saw the potential in climbing games. Could have been the greatest new genre in ages.

>anti-VR thread raids start around the same time every day, same OPs, same tired bait every time
giving the third world/low IQ access to the internet was a goddamn fucking MISTAKE

>>715061730 (OP)
Good morning sirs
very good video
dangerous vr

>>715063937
Quest 3 solves all of that besides maybe the last one depending on your definition of taping a brick to your head

>>715061730 (OP)
Display tech still isn't good and cheap enough. It's that simple. FOVs are still too narrow, clarity is too low, and the housings are still too large.

Why Zack like to make animation of dead people so much?

>>715061730 (OP)
Really it will only work if the system is mostly open, all of the rapidly obsolete components are easily upgraded (computer, wifi, battery), it is compatible with Linux/Windows and it is based on cooperation within the industry.
lol
lmao even
The walled gardens, the Windows exclusivity of early headsets, the lack of open standards for designing new controllers and headsets for ecosystems, etc. have all set back VR heavily and that's before considering that it launched into what was essentially the wasteland of the 2010s, where no company was really interested or capable of making any games at all unless you could magic infinite return on investment out of a hat.
It's obviously not going to die now, since good consumer grade VR is outright here, the Sword of Damocles has finally fallen, etc., but it's still going to take a while to ramp up.

VR was a novelty, like 3D movies. It was hyped, then it died a few years later

Acting like it was supposed to replace traditional vidya and failing to do so was 'losing' is a stupid mindset

It was always going to be a gimmick and a niche

>>715061730 (OP)
It did not "lose". It just remains as a niche. By this point many people have a VR device, they just don't use it every day or even every week, but it does get some use every now and then.

What stops it from being more than a niche is a combination of factors:
>VR requires a beefy setup to run the game at very high frame rates
>most people interested in VR are normalfags without a decent PC
>this forces VR companies to include an entire fucking console in the headset
>which makes the headset heavy and prone to heating issues
>and more importantly it makes it so most of the headset's budget is going to the console hardware instead of the display and VR technology itself
>the console can't be too expensive otherwise the headset itself gets too pricy
>because the console sucks, the companies developing games for VR ecosystems can only pump games with shit graphics
>in 2025 games with shit graphics don't do too well unless they are blatant gimmicks like table tennis or VRchat

You know when VR will take off? When Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo start selling a cheap VR headset made only for pairing to the console. Like the PS VR; except that one is a fiasco. The PSVR2 costs $600, is NOT standalone (aka no console included) and somehow it is way worse than the Meta Quest 3 ($500) in the VR display, which is not only cheaper but also includes the console.

When one of the big 3 release a VR display that costs $100, that's when VR will take off.

>>715064829
okay but it's still serviceable
he said those things are required, they are not

>>715063937
Most of these issues aren't resent on Quest
And it's easy as shit to Pirate onto Quest

It's a hilariously small niche, but the main factor of it remaining a hilariously tiny niche novelty is the fact that there are next to no fucking full on games for it.
Aside for a handful of titles you can count on one hand, the entire library that is offered to you are essentially tech demos showing what vr 'can do' rather than being replayable games that are over in 2 hours or less. With the better titles being existing games that haphazardly put on the VR compatibility but are better off without the kit like ballisticNG racing
t. owned an index for 5 years now, and the only thing I play on it now is vr mahjong with friends.

>>715061730 (OP)
Not enough potential for live service games.
Basically the industry was pushing it to sell overpriced hardware but never had any intention of actually developing any games for it.

>>715067482
>cheap VR headset made only for pairing to the console
I guess you can just do that with Wifi streaming now. It seems to work sort of OK.
>When Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo start selling a cheap VR headset made only for pairing to the console
God no. That would suck. VR needs compatibility with everything that has ever been in VR and everything that could potentially be modded or fangamed into VR, more walled gardens will not help.
Not having mod support or support for prior games will just suck the life out of a console.
You can already see the massive problem that Sony created with the PSVR and PSVR2 that have no compatibility with one another. At least a PC VR headset doesn't need to deal with the complete lack of any forward planning that is so typical of console manufacturing these days, since if there was forward planning, they would have just made the Dualsense into a capable VR controller in its own right.
>Costs 100$
That's pretty ridiculous, since it would have to include displays, lenses, cameras and wireless tech. Try to get a decent 4K monitor for 100$.
>>715068221
>but the main factor of it remaining a hilariously tiny niche novelty
The main factor of its niche status (the same thing that plagued the Wii), is that it can never have a media presence in advertising and TV that isn't complete ass. You need to try it yourself in a good setup after adjusting it to fit to even understand what VR offers and people simply won't do that before getting bombarded with ads.
>More games
I think at this point the industry just isn't producing enough fully fledged games for two wholly separate markets and barely even enough competent games for just one market. Mod support or VR modes are the only way to bridge the gap.

>>715068697
>niche status
>wii
Huh?

>>715061730 (OP)
Let's compare

>get actually good laptop, desktop, phone, tablet whatever
>you can get these as used for free or $20-150
>you can install Linux, LineageOS, GrapheneOS, PostmarketOS etc. and in some cases even replace the bootloader with GNU Boot
>you can get devices that are easy to repair
>really easy to block ads
>cheap or free high resolution screens
>you can consume endless amounts of 4K content in Youtube, Twitch etc.
>you can pirate anything
>you can find millions and millions of 4K and 8K ASMR channels in Youtube
>10 hours or higher battery life or really easy to use while plugged in

>get actually good VR headset
>you can get these as used for $150-1000 or as new for $500-1500
>you have closed proprietary e-waste OS for the next 1-5 years, can't replace the OS
>you can't use it without Meta/Facebook account (no, it doesn't even go to the main screen without this and after they discontinue the headset, it turns to useless brick)
>impossible to repair
>ads everywhere
>closed down proprietary bootloader, app store etc. and these will die after couple of years making the headset useless brick
>expensive while having shit low resolution screens where the already low resolution is streched so that it looks like 240p
>you can consume only 100 channels of random streched kpop videos that are filmed wrong, 5 channels of men doing ASMR and random videos of people walking with 3D camera from 2012 in Tokyo or New York
>pirating is difficult, moving 100 GB files is slow and you have to tinker with shit tier trial versions of proprietary apps or pay
>there is literally only one Youtube channel with woman doing 4K VR180 ASMR content and to get 8K you have to pay patreon
>yes, ONE FUCKING CHANNEL IN THE WHOLE INTERNET HISTORY HAS DONE THIS EVER
>2 hours battery life and 30-50 minutes after using the headset for 2 years every day and using it while plugged in makes it to shutdown because it overheats

>>715068950
You can't tell me that the Wii wasn't pigeonholed into a specific niche based on how its marketing portrayed the gameplay.

>>715068950
>>715068697
To add: the wii's marketting campaign was a huge success, the fuck you talking about? Honestly I think it might be nintendo's most successful marketting campaigns ever, even.

>>715068697
>God no. That would suck. VR needs compatibility with everything that has ever been in VR
I agree but that is more of a long term goal. Companies need short term profit to be incentivized to invest in VR and popularize it. It is very complex to develop a VR headset that is compatible with all hardware, but it is trivial to create one that only works for a specific console.
>That's pretty ridiculous, since it would have to include displays, lenses, cameras and wireless tech. Try to get a decent 4K monitor for 100$.
They would obviously sell it at a loss and recoup it with software sales. Consoles also can't be manufactured for their pricetag anon

>>715069258
The Wii captured an audience bigger than any of their home consoles before it. At best they captured a "different" market, but it was definitely not a niche.

>>715069258
The Wii was one of the greatest selling consoles of all time and it literally transcended any niche.

Everyone loves the Wii. Grannies, parents, kids and hardcore gamers all loved playing Wii Sports. Nintendo did with the Wii what the VR industry dreams of doing.

Also unrelated but imo the Wii's secret is the controller. It was long and had weight to it. You can't recreate the feeling of the Wii with normal controllers slapped with shitty motion detection tech, or even with just hands as Xbox tried to do. The Wii's controllers were just perfect, and VR is recreating this well with controller accessories

>>715069907
>hardcore gamers all loved playing Wii Sports
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here

>>715070032
he is right though

>>715070108
No he isn't. I knew people at the time who left Nintendo over the wii. I had a cousin he switched to xbox and when I asked him about the wii he just said "it's only good for parties."

>>715063937
what year is this?
we've dealt with those things years ago

>>715070208
Oh so your cousin was a retarded normalfag. There are normies today that think Nintendo consoles are for children/parties.

Most people play games to relax and putting a bunch of shit on your head then standing up to play a game isn’t relaxing

>>715070208
You realize good at parties means it’s good?
>your BMW sucks because it isn’t any good as a cement mixer

>>715063937
>Does it still cost thousands of dollars to get set up?
No
>Does it still require very specific conditions?
Not really, lighting and space can be an issue but not enough you can’t make it work
>Does it still require a relatively powerful pc?
No
>Does it still require a wired connection?
No
>Does it still have all the ergonomics of taping a brick to your face?
… yes.

>>715070584
It's the opposite. If it's only good at parties then it isn't good.

>>715070497
And that mindset started on wii, for good reason. Hell, I'd even argue that part of the WiiUs failure (aside from its abysmal marketing) was that the Wii completely failed to retain any of its audience. For comparison, the Switch/Switch 2 jump has been way better, because the Switch managed to actually create dedicated fans of their ecosystem.

The Wii was a massive success, no doubt, but to deny that it was a controversial console among the "hardcore" gamer crowd is nothing but revisionist history. You were either a child when the Wii was out, or you are looking at history through rose tinted glasses.

>>715068221
>next to no fucking full on games for it
this does suck but it's lightly balanced by so many games having good vr mods
>doom, quake, duke, blood, shadow warrior all fully working, including a good chunk of mods
>halo ce
>half-life, half-life 2 + both of their expansions
>portal 2
>jedi knight
>new resident evil games

>>715070584
I never said the Wii wasn't good. All I'm saying was that a lot of dedicated gamers didn't like it. God Wii babies get so defensive over this shit, and this is coming from somehow who's owned every nintendo console outside of the virtual boy

>>715068221
>vr mahjong with friends
haahahahah you're the real cancer ruining the general

>>715063937
It still has no games.

>>715071062
I don't see anyone posting about VR in /mjg/ though, it's just me and a few (irl) friends playing because we dont have the time to drive out these days and buy a table and its more fun than mahjong soul

>>715061730 (OP)
>he had died
>*dramatic pause*
>in both realities
lmao, also, I thought that shard would fall and pierce him but it seems it went into orbit.

>>715061730 (OP)
Glass tables use tempered glass in civilised countries for this very reason.

>>715061730 (OP)
It didn't, lazily cuddling and watching movies is way too good and comfy.

>>715070989
>blood vr
please continue

>justifies VR

>>715074049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0JlIWxGQAs

>>715061730 (OP)
he kinda looks like the gothic protag
gothic vr would be kino

>>715074478
>ZBlood

>>715069169
>pirating is difficult

>>715061730 (OP)
Teledildonics just isn't advanced enough yet.

>>715064963
This. I refuse to make a faceberg account and have it report to my extended family every time I nut in Miku's asshole.

>>715064040
>>715064040
>VR headsets never dropped to being cheap enough to buy just for like one week of gimmicky fun and all of them have annoying weird required accounts (facebook integration bullshit).
>also you wouldn't die from falling on a glass table like that.
I think it's the opposite. VR headsets dropped in price so quickly they never became the luxury item they should have initially been. Instead since they were so cheap they became associated with disabled military veterans with furry avatars that lived in double wide trailers and spent 14 hours of their day gooning with their fellow former soldiers in VR chat while living on the dole that it became an inverse status symbol. If someone tells me in real life that they're "big into VR" I just automatically assume they're some loser.

Not enough games. Tech isn't bad, really. I really like Hitman in VR. Star Wars Squadrons wasn't a great game, but I can honesly say that it in VR was the most immersive game experience of my life.

>>715075213
another VR defeat

>>715065303
>>715068065
>>715070294
>>715070713
>um, ackshually
No.
Shut the fuck up.
If the barrier to entry was actually reasonably priced and getting everything up and running wasn't a hassle, VR would've gotten a huge 2nd wind. But it hasn't. Because it's still too expensive and too much of a hassle.

>>715067718
>it's still serviceable
No one is going to pay hundreds of dollars at minimum for "serviceable", you dumb bitch.

>>715077385
A $300 Quest 3S is pretty reasonable to me
And if setting it up is a hassle then you genuinely may be too stupid for it anyway

>>715076281
>they became associated with disabled military veterans with furry avatars that lived in double wide trailers and spent 14 hours of their day gooning with their fellow former soldiers in VR chat
this is incredibly specific. at the same time, i'm a furry twink that fucks 2 older military guys up the ass in full fursuit, so i believe you.

>>715077385
>DOES IT STILL REQUIRE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND A BEEFY PC???
>No
>DONT YOU "UM ACKSHUALLY" ME MOTHERFUCKER
kwab

>OMG best car simulator in VR
>doesn't use hand controls
>needs a wheel
Meh

>>715077385
based and true. let me know when i can buy a $200 headset that wirelessly connects to my computer, and just lets me play stuff.

>>715063937

>>715078262
you have to be 18 to post here

>>715078385
You can get used Quest 2 for under $200

>>715061730 (OP)
>repackage motion control tech from 7th and 8th gen as something new by strapping a TV to your face.
The real question is why have motion controls in general lost? Why did nobody make anything good that people actually WANT to play. It's been tech demos and gimmick mechanics since the Wii.

>>715078857
The main purpose of VR is getting rid of peripherals.

>>715061730 (OP)
Mid games, you need more space to play it as opposed to a console/PC in your room, and maybe it's just a personal problem but the damn things give me a headache after playing for just two hours

>>715076281
Are you speaking from experience, anon?

>waaah its too expensive
>*waste 500 bucks on a steam deck to play a few meters from my pc*

>>715061730 (OP)
it's still growing actually

>>715080197
The horror stories you can hear from some social workers about rats scurrying around piss jugs in some former 'rines mobile jackshack while they're gooned up to 11 on some VR chat server while wearing half a fursuit and an oculus would honestly shock you. It's only gotten worse now that most convention centers have banned furs outright so a lot of them basically live in VR permanently now and don't even open their doors unless it's for a welfare check or a GrubHub delivery.

>>715078189
it's specific because of a very popular youtube interview with vets

>>715080887
I'm intrigued...where and how did you find out about all this kek

VR will never gain widespread popularity as long as it doesn't overcome the screen taped to your face phase.

>>715061730 (OP)
Why would you use VR for anything but porn. Waste of time

>>715083434
Beat Saber is fun

>>715078501
Can you use these without Zuck's gay bullshit yet?

>>715085280
Like what? Genuinely asking.

>>715085447
you need a facebook account to use meta vr headsets

>>715061730 (OP)
What are some actual GOOD games I can play on VR?

>>715077609
Is there a big difference between Quest 3 and 3S?

>>715061730 (OP)
It was always going to be a niche side-thing for hobbyists, and that's perfectly fine. People who thought VR would be the be-all end-all of all videogames are retarded. Half-Life, Skyrim or Resident Evil in VR? Pretty cool. But I don't want to play Mario or Monster Hunter or Baba is You in VR.

>>715083434
there is no good vr porn

>>715085543
Meta account. It’s not the same

>>715085641
Yes

>>715061730 (OP)
VR didn't lose but I swear I'm going to buy a refreshed Vision Pro if we don't have any deckard news before it comes out.
Also where the fuck is moohan

>>715064908
It makes porn games better

>>715061730 (OP)
Because it was a gimmick and a fad. And it wasn't actually VR.

>>715085641
3S has worse lenses and (I believe) somewhat worse specs

>>715064128
I was thinking about this reasoning because I see it fairly often about VR and I get it.
The funny thing is though, a lot of the things VR simulates, you would be wearing something on your head/face while doing the activity in real life. Flightsim? IRL you'd be either wearing big headphones or a helmet/oxygen mask. Military FPS? IRL you'd be wearing a helmet and glasses/goggles. Racing sim? IRL = helmet/goggles.

>>715085785
you couldnt be more wrong

>>715089569
Same SoC, just the lenses and resolution are worse