Thread 715076258

Why hasn't Bioware been shuttered yet, they had 3 major flops in a row

EA still wants to have a studio that churns out RPGs and will rather suffer Bioware than acquires a new one.

>>715076258 (OP)
Because Larry Fink keeps rolling in the money and he has an infinite amount of it

>>715076258 (OP)
any day now

>>715076258 (OP)
people who wanted a female qunari LI got a massive monkey's paw

>>715076258 (OP)
Because its easier to sell something from a recognizable studio with a known ip.
If they're smart they'll clean house and remove anyone who had anything to do with the veilguard, especially the writers.

normally EA would have killed the studio a long time ago, because that's what they always do after buying up a developer and deliberately running their IP into the ground, but bioware has enough retard fans to keep them barely shambling on in perpetuity.

>>715076258 (OP)
The new mass effect has been in developmeny for 6 years now where the fuck is it?

>>715077087
ea said veilguard failed in part due to no live service so they're trying to include more of it

>>715076258 (OP)
Bioware might as well be dead. Literally no one of the old guard is left and they had a director crisis over it in Veilguard. That's how Busch eventually ended up in the seat.

It's already a skinsuit company and they have Mass Effect as their "last hurrah"

>>715077087
man. I remember when new mass effect would've been a gimme. now it will go up against exodus and the expanse.

>>715076258 (OP)
They probably were given USaids money and Canadian government toonies and loonies. I couldn't imagine anyone would knowingly throw so much money away.

>>715076538
Same with Harding.

>>715076258 (OP)
Because they are EAs last story game studio.

>>715076502
Whatever Bioware makes is, compared to FIFA and Battlefield, so insignificant they are barely a footnote in the their fiscal reports. Seriously, FIFA slightly underperforming is way worse than Failguard flopping with 800k units.

They have a large catalog that still sells. Someone buys a Bioware game every day.

>>715076538
imagine wanting a female version of this. i'd say they got the best case scenario

>>715076258 (OP)
Propaganda isn't made for profits. Just ask sony. They do it too.

>>715077270
There's a few, and they literally assembled all of the bad eggs in the Dragon Age staff strategically to get rid of them.

Currently, some of the writers are on duty at other companies, but will return to BioWare when they're needed for the actual production writing, and right now about 8 of the original Mass Effect devs are leading the game, along with the Deus Ex woman, and the writer of the Dead Space Remake allegedly being the Lore writer of this game, and she previously got that role on Mass Effect Andromeda.

NO, it's not what you think! Jo Berry was actually one of the good writers on MEA. It just wasn't her fault that Mac Walters didn't review her planet lore and never asked her to write anything substantial, so she stuck to just physics and geographical lore, and fwiw, all her dialogue in MEA is the stuff that had none of the MCU crap-tier dialogue, including Cora and her mission.

>>715076538
they can watch this cartoon

>>715077681
Sony also officially does not care about sales. Their metric for game's success is how much engagement and monthly active users for their services it creates.

>>715076258 (OP)
They have to shit out one last Mass Effect turd first.

>>715077810
i bet that gets canceled next.

>>715076538
Remember when David Gaider openly said the only reason anyone wanted female qunari in DA2 was because of "muscle fetishism"?

>>715078613
No, but I do remember this

>>715076258 (OP)
You wouldn't hate xer if xe looked like this

>>715078703
Yes, if characters looked appealing I would let them rape me
Its not rocket science

>>715077778
They care a little bit. Concord made a grand total of zero dollars and zero cents against a four hundred million USD budget, and it not only killed its own studio, but several other projects in development.

>>715076258 (OP)
No idea. EA's been blamed for killing off certain studios that didn't deserve it, but Bioware definitely deserves it at this point. EA should kill them off.

>>715079205
It also created no engagement.

>>715079205
NIGGA THEY STILL MAKING LIVE SERVICES THO

>>715077087
Anon, it took them ten years to crap out Veilguard. You really think they can manage a new Mass Effect title in under that?

>>715079308
It created some. Mostly in the form of mockery, either for the game itself or for the transparently-copypasted positive reviews pushed by their shills.

>>715079350
>Cisquisiton is 11 years old
kek I forgot all about that shit

>>715079339
I don't know what to tell you, anon, some motherfuckers just don't learn the lessons they should. Now Sony's trying to release a live-service FPS where three-man teams of colorful characters try to rob the rich in a sci-fi future.

>>715080582
People were waiting since 2014, and for what. I hated Inquisition, and adjusted my standards accordingly, but BioWare still managed to slip under them.

>>715077298
Not as their "return to form"? I'd laugh if they end up having that in the review guidelines.

>>715077498
>FIFA
yes, because of all the brown people still buying it
>Battlefield
dead IP

>>715082886
My expectation was "they're making the combat like ME3 so that will be fun at least" but they fucked that one up too

>>715076474
I'd argue against this given the sheer number of bodies in the EA studio mass grave, but considering how they insist every studio use Frostbite (despite it being designed specifically for Battlefield and Battlefield alone) rather than spend a single penny on other engines, there might be some truth to it. Could be that EA is genuinely too cheap to try and buy another RPG-centric studio, even as their current one circles the drain.

>>715083032
>Dead IP
You'd think after the embarrassing suicide that was 2042's launch, but no, they're genuinely working on BF6. Coming out late this year or early next year.

>>715076502
Tf kinda name is Larry Fink lol

>>715083862
if gta 6 was pushed to 2026, i imagine they might try to force themselves into the holiday window

>>715081323
Bad example, since CA actually did learn and cancelled Hyenas before it could completely murder the company

>>715076258 (OP)
This problem/issue isn't addressed enough.
These are literal English Literature majors that coast their way through college with chatGPT and are fucking up whatever industry they can bullshit their way into.

Movies, Books, Video games, Comics.
It really seems like writers literally can't write anymore.
The modern method of writing seems to be [insert cultural/social hot topic/political references] and they really can't come up with anything else.

It could also be the reason we aren't getting many newer IP's and they are just raping old established ones in the ground.
Because they just don't know how to write.

>>715077670
Female version of that would unironically be 100 times better.

>>715084547
Yes, but that's not stopping Sony from making a game with a nearly identical premise. They were dumb enough to release Concord, you really think they're smart enough to read the writing on the wall for Fairgame$?

>>715076258 (OP)
The Bioware name still has some value for marketing. No matter how bad their reputation gets you still have a concept of what they're selling.

>>715084667
These people infested the industry before bots were good enough for that.
The real reason they’re so fucking abysmal is because:
1) they have absolutely no life experiences to draw from outside their sheltered bubbles
2) the only literature they’ll read post school will be porn thinly disguised as YA books

Everyone gets along because they live in an enforced state of toxic positivity in their workplace, the worst challenges they get are people outside their bubbles telling them no, and the works that inspire them are all derivative refuse. You won’t find any nerds that include their autistic fascination with Holy Roman Empire states, or someone who got shitfaced with someone who had a tale or two they can crib for dialogue. You won’t even have anyone who knows more than a cursory amount about popular scifi/fantasy books that almost everyone knows about.

>>715084143
Very possible. God knows if they'll have learned a lesson or two, or if they'll dump the game out of the truck despite it being transparently unready again.

>>715084667
Amusingly enough comics are where all these shitty writers end up at.

>>715084962
>The Bioware name still has some value for marketing
It's a recognisable name, but I think the days of people actually being hyped for their games is long gone

Was the quipping in Andromeda so well-received that they went full throttle for it in Veilguard?

game flops
EA begs government to tax write off their flops
EA execs still need to fire people to appease shareholders
EA execs layoff people
EA execs hire new people (the same type of retards)

rinse repeat

>>715078682
I don't see how this should surprise any of you. Dragon Age was always a shit RPG. A glorified adventure game with rudimentary two-way choices most of the time and maybe a third meme choice occasionally sprinkled in, with no actual genuine roleplaying in it.

>>715076258 (OP)
They kinda are.
There is a Bioware team, but Bioware Edmonton is now just EA Edmonton, a generic work hub for EA employees.
"Bioware" exists as a team of people working on a Mass Effect, that is the only IP that "Bioware" can work on. So basically there is a Mass Effect team that has 4-5 Mass Effect veterans and everyone else is whatever. Bioware isn't really a thing anymore, other than a label that EA can slap on a game, and say it was developed by their RPG division, basically. It's like making a new Ultima, developed by the Origin team, and the Origin team are some people that EA put together, which might include 2-3 people that worked at Origin at a time, none of which are Richard Garriott, Warren Spector or Paul Neurath. And even then, good luck getting a game out of them nowadays.

>>715077750
Nobody wants to watch that cartoon.

>>715076474
this and brand name.
that being said the brand damage is heavy

>>715085982
No, in fact, the writing in Andromeda was pretty roundly despised.

>>715076258 (OP)
i still think its funny they made this shit (and all the other shit AAA has shat out) and just expected everyone to buy it. like they actually didn't expect people would just.. do nothing

>>715077087
It got rebooted after the restructuring of Bioware, and now they are scrambling to figure out what the game is even going to be. So all those teases and stuff that you've seen this far, should be out the window. the most optimistic estimate is 2028, but I don't think anyone wants a game that Bioware can make in that short a time span, especially since the game will spend another year in pre-production. Meaning that it will leave 18 months to actually develop the game, which is an Anthem tier product. Mark Darrah says that it is more likely that EA will starve the game out, by not allocating enough resources to its development, leaving it in development hell, until people just start dropping out of "Bioware" for good.

>>715086745
did they just decide to ignore the feedback on it then?
if that were the case, why the hell would anyone bother giving the new ME a chance?

>>715076258 (OP)
Bioware is basically just a name with none of the original people behind it
It is dead for all intents and purposes

>>715087039
because writers don't listen to "feedback" they listen to "other writers" who all write the same ways nowadays

>>715086741
If Bioware made and released Baldur's Gate 4 yesterday, they wouldn't be able to sell it today.
You could resurrect LJN, the rainbow of shit, and it would sell better than Bioware. At least LJN is a meme.

>>715087039
>did they just decide to ignore the feedback on it then?
Ignoring feedback is Bioware's #1 priority, since DA2.

Because companies don't die until ALL the money's gone. They'll do layoffs to drag it out, but their death's inevitable.

>>715087250
they best thing they could do to try and recover is release a small game that becomes a sleeper hit. and do it again at least 3 more times to have any hope of brand recovery

>>715087039
You forget, anon, Andromeda was made by a D-team of nobodies in a newly-opened branch office. Veilguard was made by the main office, and apparently they still believed in their own unearned hype for "BioWare magic", even after Anthem pretty decisively proved it didn't exist.

>>715076258 (OP)
At some point EA needs to seriously put their foot down and meddle with the game development of their studios instead of giving them free reins. 9/10 time EA does their best to avoid the accusations of being too harsh on their studios, the studios end up producing a dogshit game in which someone desperately needed to kick them up the ass.

oh fuck yeah im returnnnnnnnnnningggggg


returningggg to foooooooorrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm

>>715076258 (OP)
EA saw all those memes about how they acquire studios only to shoot them the instant they fail, so they've been keeping Bioware alive on life support to combat that perception. Hilariously, this has only done damage because Bioware's name is the opposite of a stamp of quality at this point

>>715087441
EA isn't interested in a small game, though.
It's not going to get greenlit.
Bioware needs to find a way to make a comeback, through Mass Effect.
I can't see any way that a new Mass Effect can do that.
Like, what can they possibly do with it?

>>715087497
They've meddled plenty, anon. Why do you think Dragon Age 2 released only a year after Awakening? Or why the lead writer of Mass Effect 1 and 2 was reassigned to TOR during ME3's development? Or why every game anyone makes for them has to use fucking Frostbite despite how completely unsuited it is to anything other than Battlefield, and how that makes QA testing take so much longer? Sure, BioWare needs a kick in the ass (and Mark Darrah being sent in to do that is the only reason Anthem ever released at all), but EA can hardly absolve itself of not fucking things up with arbitrary decisions.

>>715087039
were you in coma during the last decade? everyone who complains about your game is an evil chud who needs to die, and since everything you do is completely perfect, you just keep doing exactly that with no self-criticism until the company goes bankrupt because of evil chuds not buying your game or you get fired because of evil capitalism not supporting trans rights
that pretty much how the whole AAA industry works nowadays

>>715088064
Pretty much their only way to dig themselves out of the hole at this point is to make a new trilogy as beloved as the original. Which, given how the last time they tried to make a new ME trilogy ended and the garbage they've made since then, would take a genuine miracle.

Maybe cause the games sell well and you people overblow how much a game should sell

>>715089437
EA overblows how much a game should sell. Veilguard was expected to sell three million copies, and narrowly broke one-and-a-half. Studios have been shut down for better performances.

>>715089263
The issue will be the first game, and the biggest filter will be the new crew. Do I really want another cast of characters from this Bioware? From looks to personality, these guys are gonna suck. I don't want to spend 20 hours saddled with people I don't even like. Even if the combat is good, I'll be out by hour 3, at best. It's the same issue with Andromeda, Veilguard, Inquisition, etc.

>>715089990
>Veilguard was expected to sell three million copies
But whats the time frame, a lot of games can take time to be profitable like alan wake 2. A lot of people buy when there is a discount but then again its EA so they probably wanted 3 million in 3 months which is why there were layoffs after 3 months

>>715076538
She was hot in the concept art. I blame Weekes for making her the way she is.

>>715090964
>She
>her
Please be respectful of their pronouns

>>715091107
The ability to demand pronouns is insignificant compared to the power of the barve

>>715090808
Like a month. EA doesn't do well with selling old games and is one of the publishers with the lowest income from selling them.

>>715088064
>EA isn't interested in a small game, though.
so their hubris will be their downfall then

>>715090808
Veilguard went on sale for 35% off a little over a month after release. It became a free game on PSN a little over four months after release - and it got fewer downloads than the Ninja Turtles collections. Time was not on Veilguard's side.

>>715091107
Nope I don't respect her!

>>715091107
>Please be respectful of their pronouns!

>>715090808
Even then, Corinne Busche said that Bioware could not, just absolutely not move a single copy of Veilguard after the first month. It's just not selling.

bioware is being closed after me4 ships

t.knower

>>715089990
The last DA game sold a ton but that was over a decade ago. EA didn't realize the DA brand isn't popular and all the bad press surrounding VG.

>>715091321
Until they either become a sports games only studio, or until that dries up too.

>>715092023
Inquisition has sold "well" over a period of 11 years so whenever shills bring it up that conveniently ignore that part. Its not like Dark Souls 4 selling 20 million copies in the same year.

>>715092759
That's still good to EA. Its still Bioware's best selling game.

>>715078703
then i'd know it's just a mentally ill women raping me and not a tranny

>>715092954
Not good enough to prevent the mass layoffs and company basically being on their last leg.

>>715090384
Considering the absolute abysmal quality of the MEA crew, I believe dragging Shepard, Garrus, Tali, and co out of the grave is the only chance they have. Modern Bioware will likely to botch them, but starting with characters people love will draw attention and good-will enough they might make a profit

>>715076258 (OP)
da BRAND

>>715076258 (OP)
Why do redditors want you to pretend this horrible character design is good. like he looks like creepy crossdresser. literal clown world billion dollar game studios hire some political motivated losers to create characters and this what you get.

>>715094359
Well, yeah, the game came out in 2014, and they've fumbled every big project since. The only release that's actually met and even exceeded sales goals since then is the Mass Effect trilogy remaster - probably the reason EA didn't just shrug their shoulders and dumpster any remaining plans for ME5.

>>715095042
It's not just that. A mid adventure with people you know and like, even if they themselves are written to be mid, will be vastly superior to new nobodies that you won't actually care for.
At least with the old crew, there's the voice, the performance of the VAs, the likeness, the built up bonds etc.

>>715096483
Good point. I'm a retard on a basket-weaving forum, but if you brought them back in a post-Reaper world, it could make for a compelling game. Canonize the Destroy ending and keep the stakes around pre-Virmire ME1 level

>>715097115
Unlikely. Andromeda took place in a different galaxy specifically because BioWare didn't want to pick a canon ending, and Veilguard reduced the Keep to two choices regarding Inquisition's ending because they couldn't be bothered to write for specific details that may or may not have happened before. They're too lazy to account for choices, and too terrified of alienating people who didn't take a specific path.

>>715097441
This may be outdated information, but I remember reading that one of the people responsible for Deus Ex Human Revolution was leading the new Mass Effect. That game’s hilariously poor ending choice aside, I thought the narrative was strong enough that it gives me some hope, that if pre-release media is optimistic, I’m willing to allow myself to be hurt again. But they gotta find a way to hook fans of the OG trilogy, and I think it’s that. Their recent strategies arent working

>>715076258 (OP)
they weren't concord-tier flops, they were just really really disappointing. It would be nice if they shuttered the studio though and maybe gave the IP to someone else, since nu-bioware are obviously incapable of doing anything anymore

>>715076258 (OP)
>Non-binary character who at first might be trans but then identifies as non-binary
>Is also sexually aggressive to the point of borderline assault
what did the writers mean by this

>>715098836
I think the thing ingame is supposed to be that she's inexperienced in social interactions which is funny (???)

>>715098692
EA's shuttered plenty of studios for merely "disappointing" games. Three high-profile disappointments in a row with the attendant negative press should have added BioWare to the corpse pile, but for some reason hasn't.

>>715098516
>one of the people responsible for Deus Ex Human Revolution
People keep saying this, and forget that she was only a co-wrter, and everything else she's worked on has been mid, or a flop. In the end, Bioware didn't hire her to write Human Revolution, they hired her to write Guardians of the Galaxy.
Get your fucking shit together, and see what they want to make.

>>715098836
second one is what the male writers started with, the first one and the design were what the troons and woman did with the concept

>>715098836
taash was absolutely a sponge for the writer's midlife crises considering the latter trooned out during development

>>715098978
Taash is funny, in sense that the character's whole deal is being angry about being saddled with oversimplified labels, yet can't stop applying oversimplified labels to everyone else (especially Emmrich).

>>715099158
The fact that even the LGBT crowd hates Taash must be rather embarrassing then.

>>715098978 >>715098836
She was clearly supposed to be a dumb horny teen but they changed that last minute because every character needs to be player sexual and over 18

>>715099101
No one knows what they want to make, so it's all dumbass speculation anyway. Recent history says it will suck and might never even materialize, but there's no fun in that

>>715076258 (OP)
EA huffing copium. Mass Effect 5's failure will be the end.

>>715076258 (OP)
EA has killed too many subsidiaries already, Bioware is practically all they have left, so now they have to keep throwing good money after bad in an attempt to have any returns at all

>>715076258 (OP)
I just hope EA shuts them down soon, before they reveal anything else about Mass Effect. I don't even mean that in a mean way. I just don't think I can handle getting my hopes up for years only to have them shattered again

Imagine if they make Mass Effect 4 but all the Quarians are gender fluid and they tell you thats how it always has been.

>>715099742
>>No one knows what they want to make
Yes, we do. And you do as well. It's painfully obvious that they hired her to write Guardians of the Galaxy, not Deus Ex.

>>715100214
They already made Mass Effect 4, though.

>>715076474
>>715076258 (OP)
Origin, Bullfrog, and many others were zombie studios for years before EA pulled the plug. We're in the era where Bioware paid all their good will to shift VG from a liveservice game to a single player RPG and they delivered a game that didn't even meet half of EA's expectations. Multiple people have already left (i.e. they were told they're either being fired or restricted from the roles they want). EA has already said "players wanted a live service game" which is just code for the idea they think they could've made their investment back.

This was also after about 10 years of this project sputtering like a wet fart before being ripped to pieces and underperforming.

Bioware will hang around, but there's no real rpg renaissance coming to that studio and ME is probably a live service multiplayer game now. It's a brand that will eventually get shuttered like Visceral

>>715098836
>non-binary character
>borderline sexual assaulter
>frequently calls people by terms they don't wish to be identified with (her defense is asking why the person is upset because she's just calling them what they are)
>bullies others without any self-awareness
>can never be called out or criticized for either of these things
>has literally no social tact
>resorts immediately to violence as her only solution and is treated as brave for it
>makes fun of others for their identity/gender
>willfully ignorant of her own culture except in ways it can make her seem more unique
>shitty to her mom that risked her life to save her
if the writers were self-aware or did it intentionally instead of by accident it would be a hilarious parody/satire of this type of person.

>>715100950
>can never be called out or criticized for either of these things
This is the main thing. Not just for this particular mentally ill retard either, the MC just has absolutely no option to have a conflict with any party member
It's all just le wholesome vibes (being a wet blanket in other words)

>>715083893
>game has a character named Will Robya

>>715101267
Even the party members aren't allowed to be in conflict with each other. The scenes feel like PSAs from the end of a cartoon, with Rook teaching ostensibly-adult characters how to respect each others' feelings.

>>715076474
This is the o my correct answer they’ve closed multiple studios for far less. Same thing with Dice however EA might move its FPS department to respawn and have it absorb and close Dice if BF keeps flopping

>>715101267
>It's all just le wholesome vibes (being a wet blanket in other words)
From my experience those are the friend groups that you hear about six years down the line through some crazy fucking drama where someone was cucking someone else, the kid wasn't theirs, and it ended in a murder-suicide.

Like some weird Facebook rabbithole you fall into after getting an invitation from your high school for the ten year reunion.

>>715101546
>"Every interaction sounds like HR is in the room"
That Skillup review is still one of the best reviews I've ever seen come out of the journalism sphere

>>715101267
The game isn't allowed to have genuine conflict at all. It's toothless and spineless, like a lot of this modern style of writing is. The joke about it feeling like HR is in the room the whole time is kind of trite at this point, but it's really accurate. There's a few games I could name that do it, but Veilguard is probably the worst case. And it's so stupid because elementary school writing classes teach you that conflict is the basis of ALL stories.

>>715101794
Too bad he regrets it because of the "chud" attention it got (his words).

>>715105041
the man is clearly screaming on the inside or else he wouldn't have chosen the words he used.

>>715083893
the assumed kind, not the kind his mother or rabbi calls him by

>>715105041
I mean the chud attention is a real thing and I wouldn't want to be associated with those people in public either. But Skillup is already banned from Resetera anyways because of his LoU2 review.

Preemptive ban apparently.

>>715105183
He just doesn't want to be associated with the sort of people who dislike Veilguard, I guess.

>>715077670
Sexual dimorphism is a thing. They could have made them conventionally attractive Amazonian women with horns.

>>715105308
>But Skillup is already banned from Resetera anyways because of his LoU2 review
Did he point out that the ending was stupid as fuck or something?

>>715105041
I wonder if youtubers like him absolutely shit themselves when they make an actually halfway honest review of how shit a Dragon Age game and then all the bought reviews come in showering it in praise and he has to pretend it was a critical darling

>>715076502
This

It has nothing to do with money. If you think money matters you're an NPC fucken retard

>>715106081
He hasn't come out and said that DAV was good, he just said that he regrets all of the "chud attention" that the DAV review got, which honestly a major problem is this thread. Taash is the thing people always talk about, she has dominated the conversation around the game completely. If she were removed, the game would be just as bad but no one discusses the crappy combat, the terrible dialogue, the bad writing, the pg character interactions (minus random swears), the childish puzzles, etc. The game has so many issues but it is just Taah, Taash, Taash, Taash, Taash Non-Binary Taash.

>>715106357
seethe more, Corinne

>>715106443
1. I don't know who Corinne is
2. If you think I am saying Taash is a good character I have genuine concerns that your IQ is 65 or below (that means you're retarded).