Thread 715089231

Why will there never be a game as Good as Dark Souls (2011)?
Was it truly the last good video game before everything went to shit?

>>715089231 (OP)
There's Demon's Souls (2009)

>>715089231 (OP)
>dark souls
>good
huh?
anyways, elden ring thread
I fought malenia normally without doing any challenge run for the first time in years and it shocked me how easy she was

>>715089231 (OP)
that's the same year Dota 2 came out

>>715089373
elden ring is ass, but at least we got something decent from it with nightreign even though its really short, but thats better than being bloated open world shit

>>715089879
That's a REALLY weird way to spell tranny souls

>>715089231 (OP)
Well its my favorite game of all time and its also the ultimate game of all time. Highly doubt anything will surpass that even from From themselves.

>>715090334
you're a tranny

>>715089231 (OP)
It will take a while, what with gaming being less about passion, drive and innovation than ever before. But it will happen eventually. Some people, somewhere, somehow will find a way. FromSoft were literal whos before Souls became a hit.

Games like this come around every now and then but even before gaming becoming the hellscape it is now, they were exceedingly rare. For example, I think Warcraft 3 and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic were like this.

Does this game even have any good webms?

>>715090762
ps1-tier, dark souls trannies like this slop?

>>715090602
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>>715090762
watch them defend this

>>715089231 (OP)
Reminder that every thread arguing about the Souls Series will devolve into shit because Dark Souls was a solid B+ across the board in a time of C average games. And so it brought a lot of people in who valued it for different things, and since the series began to hyper specialize after Dark Souls those various people will argue about what matters in the series forever.

>>715090628
>and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
lolmao

>>715090890
I wont. I like it with its flaws. Its not perfect and i love it for it

>>715091812
you're in a cult

>>715091859
im trans btw if it also helps

>>715091948
no shit, your favorite game is dark shit

There will never be another game like it. The biggest strength of Dark Souls was the first half, and the reason why the second half is so weak is the same reason why the first half is so strong.
Fast travel.
It's such a small thing that completely drags the game down. But normalfags love fast travel, so no major studio will ever go against it.

>>715089231 (OP)
I feel like most truly great games happen more on accident. It feels like a sort of "lightning in a bottle" thing.

I've never done a full story playthrough of DaS 1. I might do that as it made me sorta like DaS 3 better, and I already like DaS 1.

>>715089231 (OP)
Most people use a guide to some extent to get through it. That people have to do that is fundamentally poor design.

>>715093713
Most people use a guide for every video game.
The game itself has an inbuilt comment system by other players that if used can easily direct any blind players towards everything they need.

>>715093713
Depends. The fact that DeS made the game progression so ambiguous is actually what made the game popular enough to get over here in nipland. They initially thought it was a pretty standard WRPG when one of them began digging around the files to find there was all this hidden content that required various actions to actually progress. They then spent all their time trouble shooting and trying everything on everything and loved every second of it.

Some people genuinely like that sort of gameplay where you do one little thing then talk to everyone and check the map for any changes.

>>715093975
>Most people use a guide for every video game.
Wtf? That's not right. Usually people who use guides are those who want to minimax in competitive multiplayer games or basically cheating out of boredom.
Whereas in the souls series people use guides just to get through it "normally".

For example, how the hell would anyone think to themselves that they need to put points into ADP in DS2 when leveling up to increase the amount of iframes when rolling? It's such a basic fundamental thing to play, but it's not explained in the game and you wouldn't discover it by accident.

Currently doing ten back to back playthroughs of DS3 as all the classes like I did with DS1. It was fun even if the system I was using to select gear had some repition to it.

>>715094736
Of course it didn't upload the fucking pic.

>>715093713
Is it poor design now to have secrets and optional content?
>people have to do that
They don't. That's a (You) problem. You may have some obsessive compulsive disorder but the average person will still get a great game even if they miss the drake sword or the ash lake or the painted world. It doesn't matter. You can make it through the game just fine without using a guide, and your experience will arguably be better, even if you miss stuff.

And if you liked it enough to do a second playthrough, you'll be rewarded with amazing new things if you care to look deeper. Not to mention if you play online the community messages will help you find just about everything easily. Sounds like pretty solid design to me. Only the NPC quests are kind of fucked up, not gonna defend that shit.

>>715093713
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>>715094514
NOBODY ever did Siegmeyer's quest without a guide.

>>715094942
I'm not talking about little secrets and optional content here and there. Take the Mytha boss for example from DS2. The whole arena is filled with poisonous water and you'll need to get rid of that to have a chance to defeat her.
But how do you what to do here? There's no ingame indication of water being pumped into there, so you wouldn't think there's some pumping system that you can disable.
Turns out you're supposed to use an ordinary torch to set fire to the metallic axis of the windmill that the arena is inside. This somehow makes the water go away. That is pure insanity. You know a torch can't burn metal and there's no way you'd even assume that sabotaging a windmill reduces the amount of liquid in the area.
And this is a crucial step to progress in that game.

>>715096117
>But how do you what to do
*how do you KNOW what to do here

>>715096117
>thinking anyone defends ds2
lol

>>715094949
The only fucked up part is the Blighttown step but yeah.
If you discount killing off hollows for no rewards Siegmeyer is really the fucked up one.
Reah has multiple routes depending on what you do
Solaire has a natural end point just by following the main path and an alternative one if you can put 2 and 2 together on a second run
And everyone else just relies on you buying their shit and/or talking to them on occasion.

Could I get some tips for DaS2?

Its the only Souls game and im resolved to beat it and see it through to see if it really is trash or if theres something there.

>>715097529
There'a nothing there anon. A few nice songs, a couple neat visual designs, and a rather shallow and self-contradictory story; all wrapped up in a bloated, illogical, bland game world filled with boring bosses, enemy swarms, dog shit animation, and less precise or engaging gameplay.

>>715097529
>Could I get some tips for DaS2?
Don't play it. It's not worth your time. Uninstall it. Forget about it. It really is just garbage.

>>715091579
18+ website close the tab

>>715098265
lol. not even a game.

>>715089231 (OP)
When this game came out I literally rolled my eyes at it in eb games thinking it was some edgy fantasy assassins creed ripoff because I thought the shield was hand blade in the box art.

>>715097529
Roll iframes come from Agility (level ADP) instead of equip load.
Binoculars let you freely aim spells in first person. Vertical aiming has strict limitations otherwise.

>>715100087
Dont listen to this guy. Leveling equip load (vitality) lets you roll further and regen stamina quicker. The further you can roll the less iframe you need to dodge attacks.

>>715099613
Sorry wrong pic

>>715089879
night reign is good except for the looting/running past everything phase which is unfortunately 50 minutes out of a 60 minute session.

>>715097529
ADP increases your ability to aim spells vertically. END lets you roll farther, and res increases iframes

>>715091812
So many of the best games ever have lots of jank to them. Dark Souls is definitely one of them. Sure a remake with improved combat could make the game a lot better but what they made in such a short time at that time is remarkable and I still had absolute fun with it earlier this year. The PS3 version.

Funny how there's zero gameplay discussion around DS1 or webms, but any moment ds2 gets brought up it's actual build tech and strategy. DS1 has the depth of a walking sim. Guess that makes sense considering it's a youtube game.

>>715097529
Beare
Seek
Find

I just finished this after getting all the achievements in Sekiro.

What do you guys think?

>>715103251
yea. DS2 has a lot of great build variety. You can tackle the bosses that dont even try to fight back in any way you choose.

>>715103842
>bosses that dont even try to fight back
he didn't fight back too good

>>715103782
Finished what?

and in ds1 you can fight enemies that dont even fight. Wouldn't want enemies doing things to get in the way of more walking sim gameplay and reading item descriptions

yeah ds1 is kind of shit but well all of the series is. fromsoft literally only started making really good stuff when they made sekiro and then they immediately backpedaled with elden ring.

>/v/ trying to pretend 2 is the better game
The depths of contrarianism here never cease to amaze me. At least compare it to 3 or elden ring.

If you weren’t there playing when Dark Souls came out, you will never understand. Playing Dark Souls for the first time (hardly anyone played Demon’s Souls, comparatively) was a truly magical experience. Obviously Elden Ring was huge, but it’s not the same. Very few people knew what they were really getting into when Dark Souls came out. It’s spawned a sub-genre for a reason.

>>715096117
It isn't impossible to make the connection by any means, the windmill pumps the poison through the area and up to the chamber just like real windmills pump water. The problem is bringing the player to the conclusion that they have to burn the actual fan part, but that's why scholar added an NPC who points it out when you summon her and iirc a mannequin suspiciously in front of it. Also I don't recall it being remotely crucial whatsoever.

>>715089231 (OP)
no one invests as much time into fully interconnected world level design, everyone makes flat openslop instead cause its much easier

I was 22 in 2011 when Dark Souls was released. The fact that it was THAT good and yet holds no childhood nostalgia for me makes it the greatest game ever.

>>715106350
when will retards shut up about muh interconnected world? half of the world literally does not connect to any more than 2 locations at a time (entrance and exit), aka the same thing every other fucking game does.
also the actual ways environments connect is often lazy. riding the elevator from undead parish to firelink is cool until they do the exact same thing again at like 3 other points. what a brilliantly connected world where so many environments are just cheaply stitched together like this.

playing dark souls with randomizers is definitely the worth it. and feels thematically appropriate.
random fog gate connections and having to draw your own map of the the cluster fuck. I had multiple quellags at the bottom of blight down and a giant invisible artorias at the bottom of the new londo abyss. the struggle of tracking down those final lord souls. great times.

>>715106197
>mannequin
A Grave Warden, but yeah, there is a guy protecting it. It doesn't really fix it, because you'd have to summon that NPC, which most players refuse to do so for some reason. But also ensure the player goes right up the ladder and no go backwards to explore, so she doesn't die. And THEN, the player has to actually pay attention to her.
They really did the best they could to get the player to investigate, but it's still not enough. But if it was obvious and easy to do so, then you'd have to wonder why even have it there at all?
> remotely crucial whatsoever
It isn't. It just gives her a little health regen and constant poison drain on you.

>>715089231 (OP)
>Was it truly the last good video game before everything went to shit?
no but you are a retard who first souls was that piece of shit

>>715107978
I'm not defending base game DS2 because it's shit and scholar is the superior version, I'm just pointing out that anon is being very hyperbolic. It's not some point & click level of puzzle that no sane person could ever dream up, it's just a neat optional gimmick that's poorly done.

>>715108537
I was agreeing with you, just adding detail some clarification

>>715107365
boring bait

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