Vidya game logic thread

Name 10 video games where this happens

>>715090426 (OP)
Chat, would this work?

>>715090426 (OP)
how do generators work? why does turning it make electricity?
what is electricity even?

Step 5: Irradiate and kill hundreds of thousands of people
Step 6: Since this only powers 5% of the planet, to power 100% of the planet requires 20 times as many plants, meaning 20 times as many accidents, and 20 times as many deaths and injuries.

>>715090426 (OP)
@grok, is this real?

>>715090426 (OP)
actually that might work in real life

>>715090426 (OP)
It still kills me that we can split the atom and we use it to boil water to turn a fan.
And when we figure out nuclear fusion, we will use it to boil water to turn a fan

>>715090529
um magnets and wires and stuff
the magnets do it when it spins

>>715090573
what's your alternative?
or do you want to go back to medieval times?

>>715090573
If it lowers my electricity bill by even a penny I'll accept billions in deaths.

>>715090573
>i don't know how modern nuclear safety protocols work: the post
coal and petrol kill more people annually than nuclear plants have killed throughout history.

>>715090426 (OP)
If I had baby making sex with Rouge the Bat and got her preggo what type of kids would I have from her

>>715090426 (OP)
>humans find "new" way to generate electricity
>its just a new way to boil water
fuck this gay earth

>>715090573
When does step 5 happen? lol

>>715090573
not my problem

>>715090426 (OP)
>free elec- ACK

>>715090840
When it's ran by communists looking for promotions.

>>715090529
electricity manifests itself into physical world as magnetic forces that move things
ergo, you can manifest magnetic forces back into electricity, by moving a magnet
moving magnet in straight line is inefficient because you run out of straight line, so you spin it instead
hence, electricity

>>715090693
We'll start conquoring the stars, making FTL travel, and our crowning achievement will be encasing a star to boil water to turn a really big fan.

>>715090826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmzJ-deqBtg

>itt: ai chatbots lamenting the fact they're powered off heating water

>>715090573
>he thinks anyone is going to bother to bring power to africa or india

>>715090529
think of electricity as moving water, it has many of the properties of moving water

you can move water by turning a water wheel

you can move electricity by turning an electricity wheel, it's a surprisingly accurate simile, down to physics

and then if you want to make a water mill move you just need to have it capture a bit of the energy of the moving water, and if you want to make a motor works you just need to have it capture a bit of the energy of moving electricity

batteries are big dam

>>715090573
>t.

>>715090740
Solar and battery and wind.

>>715090529
>>715090726
moving magnets make the wires excited and they cum electrons
wire cum powers your life

>put paddles on a generator
>submerge paddles on a river
>???
free electricity

>>715090740
dyson sphere

>>715090826
Bat kids or whatever bat babies are called.

>>715091167
solar can power your night light and maybe ac on a particularly sunny day, and only if you live in the 'burbs, it can't power the industry and it can't power cities
battery needs a source to be powered
wind is the literal worst and has never been profitable or green

>>715090573
Didn't knew Exxon execs browse this shithole

>>715090573
>>715090897
>we should base all our nuclear power knowledge and safety on soviet era hackjob reactors

The battery industry is dragging the entire technological industry down.
They need to find a way to make better batteries ASAP.

>>715091197
Complete bullshit
Will never work

>>715090529
you ever rub your socked feet on a carpet and then touch someone? scale that up a lot and you got a generator

>>715090529
a magnetic field is an invisible force that pushes / pulls on positively and negatively charged particles in opposite directions
an electrical current is a flow of electrons (negatively charged subatomic particles) through matter
because idk science or something electrical current creates a shifting magnetic field, and a shifting magnetic field creates electrical current
motors and generators work exactly the same but in reverse. every motor is actually also a generator (of course, you can minmax one way or the other so any motor is going to be a shit generator and vice versa)
because idk science or something current doesn't create a magnetic field straight forward though, it's rotated 90 degrees. so you get some funny shape combinations to get it to work
for example a coil of wire will create a linear magnetic field through the center of the coil, and vice versa

>>715090426 (OP)
why wouldn't this work?

>>715090826
batman

>>715090529
Electricity is simply free electrons moving through a conductive material (most metal is very conductive). One of the important things about electricity is a current passing through a wire creates a magnetic field.
It's normally very weak, but the general idea for an electric motor is coiling a shit ton of wires carrying current around a magnetic rod to force that rod to spin with the magnetic field generated by the wires.
A generator is the exact same actually, because the fundamentals work in reverse. Move a magnetic field across a wire and you can force a bit of a current through it. Spin a magnetic rod inside a big coil of wires and you can generate power in actual quantities.
That's why an alternator (electric motor) is used to start a car and get it running, but when the combustion engine in the car is running the alternator is used in reverse to refill the battery. A gas generator does the same where you pull start a gas engine that turns an electric motor to generate the power.

>>715091612
we never proved the existence of nuclear fissile materials

>>715090573
Jesus fucking christ, that's the most stupidest thing I've read this whole week. I bet you believe that radioactive waste looks like green goop and the white steam coming out of nuclear power plant tower is radioactive. Please for the love of all mankind, kill yourself.

>>715091534
i love half life 1

>>715090573
Listen here you dumb fucking pleb. We simply must profit from this, so that means cutting corners and customers want lower bills.
Do you see any alternative? Come on, Germany understood there is no alternative in the 90's. Surely you can too..

>>715091792
this actually happened to me

>>715091750
>Jesus fucking christ, that's the most stupidest thing I've read this whole week
And yet it's unironically what "environmentalists" believe.

>>715091412
>solar can power your night light and maybe ac on a particularly sunny day, and only if you live in the 'burbs, it can't power the industry and it can't power cities
>battery needs a source to be powered
>wind is the literal worst and has never been profitable or green
Solar + wind = energy
Energy stored in battery.

If battery run out of energy, add more wind and solar generation
If battery full on energy, add more battery
Repeat until battery usage and supply sufficient

>>715090529
there are many kinds of energy
a generator simply turns one type of energy into another
for example, motion energy into electric energy
this transformation is never 1:1

>>715090824
so far*
We know what you're aiming for buddy.

>>715090573
Oh look, this nigga still thinks every nuclear powerplant is chernobyl.

>>715091451
Exxon execs are the ones promoting Nuclear.

>>715090573
Step 7: Make sure to force governments to apply as much red tape as possible to make sure that it can never compete with your monopoly on coal, gas, solar, or wind
Step 8: Remind people of the holocaust

>>715091902
How often do you have to shove your rectum back in?

>>715090573
Modern nuclear plants literally shut themselves off before a critical meltdown, and unless you're Japan you have the ability to build your nuclear facility hundreds of miles away from the nearest fault line.

>>715090529
Everything just comes down to boiling water

>>715092045
nono i'm the ugly guy at the end that accidentally joined an accidental gay sex act. I was studying for my exam in the library and I walked into a room with two guys fucking and I tried to turn the page of my book but accidentally undid my pants and tripped and my wiener plunged into his butthole and then he flipped over and accidentally rode me to completion

>>715091903
>And yet it's unironically what "environmentalists" believe.
Those are just bought idiots. Nothing else.

>>715090573
>meaning 20 times as many accidents
That's still a lot less deaths than other forms of power.

>>715091908
Batteries can't store that much energy. You'd need a half a city of batteries to store enough energy for a city of people for a night. And you'd need to change them frequently.

We can't store that much energy. That's why Solar + wind is always used to top a more stable source of electricity, frequently coal.

In fact the best way to store electricity are good old (huge) water reservoirs + pumps, but we have already used most of our easy water reservoirs.

>>715090529
I have a master of science degree in electrical engineering with a focus on power electronics and I have no fucking clue what electricity is or how it works. Something about electrons and currents or something

>>715092175
Yes, that's what I said. The entire "green" movement is just a massive psyop used to make sure we can never move on from fossil fuels.

Batteries fucking suck

>>715092231
>>715092286
>Batteries can't store that much energy.
Batteries currently are the largest source of power during peak hours in California, and almost all of them have been installed in the last 5 years. Imagine in 15 years, which is how long it takes to build a nuclear power plant.

>>715091908
to make more wind and solar and batteries, you need industry, and for industry you need electricity that you don't have because you don't have enough wind and solar and batteries
meanwhile, while you are dicking around with being green and only using wind, solar and batteries, chinks are using solar, batteries, nuclear AND coal, to make more industry to make more solar, batteries, nuclear and coal
(notably, no wind in any serious capacity)

>another thread of people that have no idea what they are talking about pretend they know exactly what they are talking about

>>715090573
wait really? it takes twenty plants to power the entire planet? that sounds fucking awesome then

>>715092497
Just look up who's backing those fucktards up, not surprised.

in dyson sphere project i created so many solar panels that i surrounded a star with them
we should copy that game's idea and make a sphere around the sun
you can call it a dyson sphere after the game

>>715090426 (OP)
Why wouldn't this work?

>>715092693
just another day on /v/

>>715092805
NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN

>>715090573
lol working at a nuclear plant is hard as fuck, you're drug tested constantly and have to requalify on procedural exams every other year, its one of the most heavily regulated industries there is. There have been 3 major disasters and one of them was due to an earthquake and subsequent tsunami rather than operator error. Infinitely safer than coal which kills and poisons workers before they've even finished getting it out of the ground

>>715090426 (OP)
>>715090529
>A stealth /sci/ thread

refreshing.

>>715091631
no, manbat uou dumb baboon

>>715090497
Rosatom made a game where you can build a nuclear power plant. It's called BuildNPPGame.
HOI4 lets you build nuclear power stations.
Rimworld's ship reactor is probably a nuclear power station because it uses uranium.

>>715092537
>"you can't just do more of what we've been doing safely and efficiently for 50 years that will take too long"
>continues dumping billions of dollars into wind and solar on the promise that "it will be good someday" (it won't)

>>715091092
Anon...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_reactors

>>715090529
when a magnet moves around a wire it generates current
when you place the current through hoops and move a magnet it produces lots of current going in the same direction


electricity is electrons moving through a wire (grossly over simplified, it's actually a field and electrons don't really move. It's just potentials. Physics is gay. So think of electrons)

>electricity making method
>look at it closer
>end stage is boiling water

>>715090897
>communists are too dumb to boil water

>>715090826
>>715091631

>>715091997
No, they're promoting solar and wind. Look up "La Belle Relation".

>>715092537
>Batteries currently are the largest source of power during peak hours in California,
This is physically impossible. I expect some amount of tard manipulation of the data. For example, if I wanted to lie about it, I'd say batteries were the largest source of power during peak hours once for about 5 minutes, and then lie for leftists. In my experience that's what Cali does about green energy far too much and leftists are absolutely unable to grasp facts or reality, which is we can't store that much energy.

Like there was a moment when for a peak 100% of the energy produced by Cali was green, which is not the problem with green energy. Solar and wind can produce this much energy, occasionally. It just can't do it reliably and we can't store the energy, which is the real problem. But leftists and the NYT called Cali perfectly green 100% green energy problem solved.

>>715092924
>and one of them was due to
stupid hired gaijin engineers who decided that putting emergency generators in the basement of a nuclear plant situated on the shore of an earthquake-prone country is a good idea
they deserve death penalty

>>715090573
Because no other form of energy generation has ever had an accident.

>>715090573
Hi Germany

>>715092006
Nuclear power needs the regulations. It's the interest costs that make it expensive.

>>715092924
Don't bother, anti-nuclear tards are worse than militant vegans. There is no reasoning with them. You either agree with them or you're worse than the devil.

>>715093124
kek

>>715092973
Solar battery and wind have done more in the last 5 years than the last 50 years of nuclear, and better. You can install your own solar panels on your home. You can't install a nuclear power plant.

>>715090529
Electricity is just a difference in polarity. A difference in polarity is one end of the circuit having a way higher charge of electrons while the other one (negative) lacks electrons, and therefore attracts the electrons of the positive side to it, creating current. The otherway around, electric wires with current flowing in them around a magnet creates movement, that's a motor. It's all about rotors and stators. The rotor spins and the stator is static. But for a generator it's the other way around. The rotor is the magnet, the stator is the frame where you put your wires. The negatively charged side of a magnet attracts the electrons in a wire. The positively charged side of a side magnet pushes them away. That causes the magnet to spin as you let current flow in the wires inside the motor in a circular fashion. That's for a motor. For a generator, it's the other way around. You're creating electricity (a current flow) by moving the magnet very fast, causing the electrons to circulate inside the wires. I'm very retarded and electricity isn't my speciality (I mostly do hydraulics and mechanics) but that's pretty much it. It's not complex.

Did he achieve teleportation?

>>715093137
Wrong. Oil companies are massively pushing nuclear due to solar and wind becoming prominent. Notice the massive right ring support for nuclear as soon as solar became the hot new thing and threatened oil companies bottom lines.

>>715093150
>it's another episode of deluded rightoid having a meltdown
why are you all fucking built like chernobyl mentally?

>>715093115
Communists also made the much safer VVER design. It's just cost-cutting.

I'm all in favor of nuclear energy btw

>>715090573
step 5 is schizophrenic

>>715093150
>This is physically impossible.
During the spring actually it was, during the summer power demand has spiked and now it's less. But it's been climbing every year so eventually it will be batteries at the top every day of the year.

>>715090529
Literal magnets that somehow are connected to the earth core and draw energy from this planet

>Nuclear powerplants?
Magnets
>Hydroelectric dams?
Magnets
>Wind turbines?
Magnets
>Burning coal or oil?
Magnets
>Gas and geothermic?
Magnets

FUCKING MAGNETS how do they work?

>>715090573
Right because oil and coal are WELL known for not having disastrous accidents or fucking up the surrounding environment

>>715090573
A coal power plant produces ten times as much radiation as a nuclear power plant to produce the same amount of energy. There's genuinely no reason not to support nuclear unless you've been psy-opped by corporations. The risk of a reactor meltdown shouldn't dissuade you anymore than the risk of a coal power plant exploding and killing everybody near it. Exactly like what happened at the NTPC power plant explosion in India that killed like 50 motherfuckers.

>>715093371
>Oil companies are massively pushing nuclear
Yeah Oil companies are pushing the one form of energy that is almost universally reviled (wrongly, but heyo) and which is entirely unprofitable in the short term (the only term these companies think about).
Fucking christ.

>>715092852
a certain group of people that make politicians kiss a wall don't like the idea of free energy

>>715093382
You got anything intelligent to say or are you just here to shitpost.

>>715093630
DONT NEED NO FUCKING SCIENTIST

>>715093263
Nuclear power and hydroelectricity have decarbonised countries' electricity supply, while solar and wind haven't. You can power industry with nuclear power and hydroelectricity. You can't with solar and wind without a lot of overcapacity, storage, and grid upgrades.

>>715090497
>any minecraft modpack with bigreactors
>any minecraft modpack with industrial craft 2
>factorio
>satisfactory
>subnautica
>fallout 4
>i think you make one in red alert 3 when you play as the russians i cant remember

>>715093647
10 billion dollars to nuclear:
>15 years build time
>generates x amounts of energy per year after those 15 years
10 bill dollars to solar and battery:
>1 year build time
>generates 3x amounts of energy per year after a year

Hmmm, I wonder why oil companies would promote nuclear. Really makes you think....

>>715093371
Solar and wind are not a threat to the oil companies, which is why the oil companies promote them. The right wing support nuclear power because the economy needs reliable, cheap, clean energy, in that order.

>>715092924
>There have been 3 major disasters
Note that two of these "major disasters" were not even proven to have caused harm to the civilians affected
Three Mile Island was a literal nothingburger and the worst part of Fukushima was vulnerable and eldery people dying in the chaos of evacuating 200,000 people during a far greater major natural disaster affecting the whole country

>>715093749
>Nuclear power and hydroelectricity have decarbonised countries' electricity supply, while solar and wind haven't.
Uh, solar has decarbonized even fucking China. Are you stupid?

>>715090897
>The plans called for fireproof cables, but when none could be found, the builders simply did the best they could.
>When the ministry of energy in Moscow learned that the roof of the plant's turbine hall had been covered with highly flammable bitumen, they ordered him to replace it, but the flame retardant material specified for re-roofing the structure 50 meters wide, and almost a kilometer long, was not even being manufactured in the USSR, so the ministry granted him an exception, and the bitumen remained.
love communism lads

>>715090573
>burn coal
>emit into atmosphere
>why is everything more radioactive here than next to a nuclear plant?

>>715093907
see >>715093861. Right wing support for nuclear is not because of energy needs, but because solar will break the oil cartel.

>>715092451
>a master of science degree in electrical engineering
>and I have no fucking clue
Burgeristani education?

>>715093861
>What is capacity factor?
>What is Germany?
>Only cares about upfront investment cost and not final bill costs
kek

>>715093861
>>generates 3x amounts of energy per year after a year (90% of which is wasted)
Yeah, it does really make you think. Makes me think you're a fucking retard coming up with conspiracy theories when we literally know for a fact oil companies are pushing every type of energy EXCEPT nuclear.

>>715090426 (OP)
>clean alternate power sources have been a thing for decades
>governments have known fossil fuels have long term consequences for decades
>do shit to actually develop said alternate power sources as we rapidly reach the point where fossil fuel damage is irreversible
I hate how the world is run by short sighted retards

>>715093263
>Solar battery and wind have done more in the last 5 years than the last 50 years of nuclear
This is just a fucking lie and it would be even more of a lie if the nuclear industry hadn't been smothered in the 80s by the same fossil fuel groups that are now funding wind and solar

>>715093861
>literally "its higher because i say it is" with zero figures or evidence

>>715093939
https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china#what-sources-does-the-country-get-its-electricity-from
No it hasn't, despite China owning the supply chains, building every form of generation to keep up with rising demand, and having space for cheap "garbage energy".

>>715094050
Solar will break nothing. Solar is not and will never be a threat to the oil cartel unless a literal miracle comes along to fix its storage issues. Which is why oil companies promote it. Easy money for next to no work.

>>715090573
And it would still kill far fewer people than coal

>>715094050
See: >>715094162

>>715093861
what oil company is promoting nuclear?

>>715094149
kek

>>715094162
>What is capacity factor?
>What is Germany?
>Only cares about upfront investment cost and not final bill costs
Look up LCOE. Pic related. Also Germany was selling their excess power or buying power.
>>715094169
It's based on this LCOE chart.
>>715094375
China's CO2 output is flattening or decreasing, despite increased energy usage.

>>715092451
I think that you're retarded. I've met handy guys who dropped out of school after before high school who can explain it. It's not a hard concept. To me you shouldn't have a master. You're a retard. Faggots like you who don't know shit and can't do shit are like giant walking barriers around the lives of people with actual skills and the most basic knowledge ever. And our number 1 goal in life is to avoid dealing with any of you. Sometimes you sadly have to tolerate a bunch of retards like that at work.

>Through the Climate Emergency Fund, Just Stop Oil received "hundreds of thousands of dollars," including around $650,000 in 2022 for its “spring uprising” campaign
>CEF was founded with a $500,000 seed gift from Aileen Getty, the granddaughter of oil tycoon J. Paul Getty

>>715094617
>nuclear power where you build one plant and it shits out more power than everything else on the list combined for 50 years magically becoming more expensive because ???

>>715094272
This is why I was radicalized by the HELIOS ending in Invisible War and want a future where a benevolent AI dictator controls everything by allowing humanity to empathically interface. I genuinely don't trust a human to have the foresight and wisdom to rule on a large scale. We weren't designed for it.
Kind of crappy game but that ending is awesome.

>>715094617
>LCOE
LCOE is only designed to inform private investors that are investing in new generation. The rest of the economy is connected to the grid, not directly to the power station, so LCOE is incomplete. Learn the difference between wholesale prices and retail prices.
>China's CO2 output is flattening or decreasing, despite increased energy usage.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china

>>715090573
Just 20!
Damn, it's really worth it, put them on america and let them get irradiated, maybe some on china and india and the rest in africa

>>715093761
Red Alert 2 at least has nuclear reactors for the russians

>>715090426 (OP)
NUKE for windows 95

>>715094780
Because it's only based on Vogtle 3 and 4. Lazard is an American company that advises American investors, so they only have Vogtle 3 and 4 to look at.

>>715090573
You can also use coal that kill as many people while working normally as nuclear when a chernobyl scale accident happens.

>>715094780
>because..?

> LCOE, or Levelized Cost of Energy, is a financial metric that represents the average total cost of building and operating a power-generating asset over its lifespan, divided by the total energy output of that asset. Essentially, it's the average price at which electricity must be sold to break even over the lifetime of a project.

It's the cost of land, materials, manufacturing, labor, taxes, etc. You know nuclear power plants deal with NUCLEAR materials, right? That requires huge amounts of security and safety. That factors a lot into the cost.
>>715094895
>LCOE is only designed to inform private investors that are investing in new generation. The rest of the economy is connected to the grid, not directly to the power station, so LCOE is incomplete. Learn the difference between wholesale prices and retail prices.
Cope
>https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china
Only goes up to 2023. The recent flattening and downturn happened this year in the last several months.

>>715091289
fossilNIGGERS and nukeFAGGOTS have no counter arugment

>>715093861
>generates 3x amounts of energy per year after a year
and still loses out long term because in 15 years you'll need to change out all panels and batteries thrice, so you've spent 30 billion
meanwhile nuclear just keeps working

>>715093685
But if we don't need oil why do we have Military bases to protect the (((middle-east)))?

>>715092924
>working at a nuclear facility is so hard guys
>I can't fucking do le druggerinos :(

God how the fuck is this difficult, just don't do drugs retards.

>>715090426 (OP)
>core of the planet is really hot
>dig a deep hole
>put water in the hole
free electricity

>>715090573
this literally doesn't happen it's a meme made by big oil and big coal to brainwash the population into lung cancer

>>715095073
Considering that the other three RBMKs kept working until the EU paid Ukraine to replace them with VVERs, Chernobyl would have killed more people per TWh if it was a coal power station.

>>715092959
>BuildNPPGame
couldnt find this

>>715090826
Surely if you look deep enough into the Sonicverse there has to be some example of a human fucking an animal right? They had Sonic make out with a human in one of them so surely some sex had to have happened in one of those shitty comics

>>715095208
iceland does that, everyone else has too far to dig

>>715095142
That's accounted for in the LCOE, which puts solar 3 times more energy generating per dollar than nuclear.

>>715090573
good goyim

>>715095197
The joke is that technicians at a nuclear facility have nothing to do all day since they hire subcontrators for everything and merely do controls themselves (which is automated lol) and when there is something to OSHA makes it so that it takes multiple weeks to fix basic shit. So they have literally nothing to do and get bored so they get high or drunk. I wish I were joking. I fucking wish.

>>715091167
>Solar
>Battery
>Wind
lmao, even

>>715095127
When we get to dyson sphere scale we will be more worried about neo-neo-neo zeon than mundane earth pollution issues.

>>715090573
Retarded Ruskies really set nuclear power back by decades with that Chernobyl shit, huh?

>>715095118
>It's the cost of land, materials, manufacturing, labor, taxes, etc. You know nuclear power plants deal with NUCLEAR materials, right? That requires huge amounts of security and safety. That factors a lot into the cost.
And it's still incomplete.
>Cope
The only one that is coping is you. France has higher wholesale prices, but lower retail prices than Germany because they save money on overcapacity, storage, and grid upgrades.
>Only goes up to 2023. The recent flattening and downturn happened this year in the last several months.
>China, a country with large amounts of heavy industry and 1.4 billion people, decarbonised in two years
Actual retard. Kill yourself.

Never ask a "green energy" fag where the metals they need for their solar panels and electric car batteries come from, or what happens to them after they need to be replaced

>>715090573
do people reply to this and think the poster is actually reading their replies?

>>715095495
Russia has always been a disaster for the human race.

>In English please

>>715095259
Possibly.
Air pollution deaths in general make nuclear look like a good guy in comparison.
It's basically an holocaust per year

>>715094626
90 IQ
>>715094125
105 IQ
>>715092451
140 IQ

>>715090529
FUCKING MAGNETS. HOW DO THEY WORK.

>>715091167
Oh yes, those “green” energy sources that all require destroying the environment to create the components lol

>>715095643
>And it's still incomplete.
What's missing?

>>China, a country with large amounts of heavy industry and 1.4 billion people, decarbonised in two years
>Actual retard. Kill yourself.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/

You are so behind on everything.

>>715095669
If it weren't for government subsidies and African slave labor in rare earth mines, solar wouldn't even be affordable on an industrial scale.

>>715095831
Anon stop thinking about it and send Chao Yung Pung back down to the mines to mine up all that lithium ion for your Green™ car batteries

>China shitting slightly less coal dust into their air than last year means they're "decarbonized"
lol

>>715090529
you know when you rub something and it gets hot?
electricity is basically using a spinning wheel to generate heat
then it transfers that heat through wires, and the wires are set up so when something gets hot, things light up
that's how lightbulbs work

computers are similar, except instead of using heat to light up a bulb, it uses heat in wires to trigger specific devices at set rates with crazy complicated logic gates to store and trigger specific pieces of information based on user input

yes, i know it's much more complicated than heat and wires, but this is the most basic explanation i can think of

>>715095197
so many people are avid drug users it's fucking ridiculous. probably why i don't care about fentanyl killing all these retards

>>715095495
Communists actually. A Chernobyl accident would've been inevitable regardless of where the nuclear power plant was, as long as it was in a Communist country. Communism creates a culture of corruption, saving face, hiding mistakes and fuckups and denying responsibility for wrongdoings. If the USSR hadn't collapsed, we would've probably had another one of those.

>>715090573
you should be decarbonised buddy clearly

>>715095876
>What's missing?
Everything between the power station and the consumer, as I already said. Overcapacity, storage, grid upgrades, etc.
>Carbonbrief says that China's CO2 emissions from electricity alone fell by like 1% or 2% compared to 2 years ago
>This is decarbonisation
kek

>>715095831
Hey, solar panels might leak all kinds of awful chemicals into the ground and that ground can't be used anymore but... What was my point again?

>>715092924
Not being a druggie degenerate is piss easy, the hard part is constantly having to memorize those procedures for the yearly exams when you got an ADHD memory like mine.

>>715096093
brother that is not at all how it works

>>715090826

>>715093939
I too love lying and spreading blatantly incorrect information!

>>715096256
>a culture of corruption, saving face, hiding mistakes and fuckups and denying responsibility for wrongdoings.
That's just russian culture.
Soviet union was all that shit and worse because russia was in charge.

>>715096256
>tfw you will never wander deep into the Siberian forest and die of acute radiation poisoning after falling asleep next to an orphaned RTG installation for warmth

I FUCKING LOVE NUCLEAR POWER

>>715090497
Zero Hour.

>>715096778
I prefer nuclear thermal rockets. That thing is a bit goofy innit.

>>/wsg/5920010

tfw we will literally never have nuclear power ever because some fucking retards will always say "ERM CHERNOBYL DURRRRRRRHHHHHH" as they spit up all over themselves. These people are also allowed to drive, vote, procreate and run for positions of power. What the fuck sicko world do we live in???

>>715096256
the fucked up part is chernobyl was actually the second chernobyl it was just too big to cover up, and they already knew exactly what the risk was since the other reactors in chernobyl had already been retrofitted to fix the exact issue that caused the meltdown
ussr politicking was fucking insanity, and the fact that the current president's managed to entirely reverse gorbachev's course in regards to fixing it with nobody stepping in to stop him is even more insane

>>715095269
http://www.rusatom-overseas.com/upload/app/BuildNppGame.zip

>>715096936
no because its my god given right to use hiroshimas/second as a unit of measurement for power output

>>715096778
When are we constructing a shipyard orbiting the moon so we can fire nuclear rockets at Alpha Centauri without sprinkling fallout in the atmosphere?

>>715097028
>Gorbachev
>Fixing anything

>>715090573
If we judged technology by:
>communists are too retarded to do this
We wouldn't have: rockets, cars, buildings, ships, cattle, agriculture...
The morale of chernobyl is "kill all communists"

>>715096501
I miss the adventures of this guy, and Weekly World News.

>>715092852
I've been assured that nukes are fake, so probably that

>>715097098
Whatever, that shit's got way too many moving parts to be reliable for exosolar distances.
And there are far better solutions for intrasolar interplanetary distances.

>>715097283
>glasnost was actually a bad start
ok vladimir vladimirovich, but you realize this has directly stunted almost every large scale operation you've taken too due to the culture of yesmannery you've brought back right

>>715090573

>>715097383
I agree as long as we include Sweden and California

>>715090573
>What are reprocessing and breeder reactors?

>>715097607
no there isn't. this has the highest amount of thrust and specific impulse compared to every other design that's even remotely possible. it's a fucking nuke going off to produce thrust. nothing will come close to that level of acceleration. you could in theory get like 100Gs of acceleration with it nonstop.

>>715097730
Wow, since when is wind below nuclear in deaths?
It was doing much worse before the large scale wind power adoption of recent years.

>>715097730
nuclear sucks actually, we need more greenhouse gas

>>715098000
Uranium mining and milling are major factors.

>>715090529
It's electron flow. By turning some magnets, you can make electrons flow in a circle through some wire and essentially make magnets turn elsewhere and do shit. Or pass through really thin wire to heat up.

>>715097898
>breeders
Not in this board

>>715098115
The numbers for nuclear haven't changed significantly, wind has gotten safer per watthour with mass adoption.
And that's pretty surprising.

>>715091167
Wind is the fucking worst
It's the biggest of the climate change grifts

>>715090573
step 5 only happens as a result of communism, comrade

>>715093979
at least they had a plant

>>715098073
>At levels below 200 ppm CO2
Nobody is calling for that. CO2 was at 280 ppm before the industrial revolution, and 260 ppm for a long time before that. CO2 isn't the only factor in plant growth, and greenhouses are much more controlled environments than the planet overall.

>>715090529
>what is electricity even?
Nobody actually knows
>>715092451
This anon is wise, everything else is just a reddit epic science man.

Attach magnet to stick
Put stick in front of car

FREE DRIVING

>>715090897
>>715093979
>>715093115
>>715091473
>design super safe nuclear reactor
>cut costs and not use the design
>control rods tips now use material which accelerates nuclear reaction
>try to make your nuclear reactor explode on purpose
>fail
>because you were trying to explode reactor for a while it starts to behave strangely
>use emergency shutdown button
>control rods get stuck due to hell level temperature and ends up accelerating nuclear reaction into infinity
>generate 5 years worth of electricity in 5 microseconds
>reactor explodes

>>715098257
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BN-800_reactor

>>715092537
>California
>Ugly ass windmills along the 8 and 10 that kill local wildlife and are bad for the environment.
>After 20 years they just trash the 'green' infrastructure, and it never rots or goes away.
>batteries degrade to near-uselessness after 20 years, probably will be trashed as well once they're no longer useful.
>Highest cost of electricity in the entire country.
>PGE can't keep the fucking lights on despite costs.
Anon, California is ran by a bunch of fucktarded gigafaggots, you shouldn't be basing your "perfect green energy utopia" off of it.

>>715098664
>super safe nuclear reactor
No, they knew that it was a crap design. It was just cheap because they made a crap SMR with no safety features and then scaled it up.

>>715090573
kek based

>>715098581
LINE CAN ONLY GO UP
NEVER DOWN

>>715091612
it makes mustard gas

>>715090573
I had no idea big petroleum had shills on this board

>>715098803
Nope, they tried to explode it for hours and failed. In the end it exploded because proper design was not used.

>>715090529
spinny thing makes electrons in wires wrapped around spinny thing spin with it to create a current

>>715097978
It had a pretty bad design specific impulse to be honest. An order of magnitude worse than current cutting edge ion thrusters.

>>715094626
A person who can admit when they don't know something usually has higher intelligence than someone who tries to come up with some bullshit, it shows that they have the capacity and the willingness to learn something new to them.

>>715098073
does this mean megafauna were big coal burners?

>>715100472
>the meteorite has fallen, billions must die

SO
about dem Fission thingies. when did ya say tey coming nigga?

>>715102138
1938

this shit is betta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-M
https://youtu.be/NT8-b5YEyjo

>>715102138
1942

>>715103724
Ireland also had one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathlin_O%27Birne

>>715090573
Great bait.

>>715090573
just dump the radiation in african countries

>>715090529
>what is electricity even?
Tiny demons that some people can command to do work for them.
>how do generators work?
>why does turning it make electricity?
they're essentially ritual sites

>>715090829
>almost cause the end of all life trying to boil water

>>715106060
It was nowhere near that bad. It only killed 4,000 people despite large parts of the core ending up spread across the countryside. You're mixing up nuclear power with nuclear weapons.

We must boil water.

>>715106504
Only because it was stopped.
It had the potential to fuck everything up.

>>715096476
it quite literally is
logic gates handled with electron flow through conductors
heat being a metaphor for the electrical impulses generated through the spinning magnetic pulsations
i worded it poorly by saying heat is electricity though, but the process of generating heat through friction and generating electricity through magnetic pulse oscillations are virtually identical

>>715090510
@grok what the hell?

>>715090973
Literal black magic

>>715106717
Nah that's gravity.

>>715106681
No it didn't, and it wasn't stopped. It exploded.

>>715098891

>>715090573
Simple.
Don't build them on fault lines.
Don't counteract and override emergency functions.
Dont let it melt down to see what happens.

With these three easy steps many nuclear disasters could have been prevented.

>>715106906
But it didn't super DE duper explode.
Check me.

>>715107107
>Don't build them on fault lines.
No, just don't put the backup generators in the basement and don't have a low sea wall when your country is vulnerasble to tsunamis. Onagawa was damaged, but survived.

>>715105853
The Amish were right!

>>715090573
You're telling me we could power the entire planet with twenty reactors?

>>715090573
how about we just kill 95% of all people, starting with you, then comes india[/spoiler]

>>715095118
>That factors a lot into the cost
Does account for the cost of disposal? Cost of transmission? Cost of maintaining strategic access? (Probably not on the last one. If its for investors making sure china doesn't kneecap the power grid because you said the word taiwan is not_my_problem.jpeg. I hate capitalism.)

>>715096950
that's not how crosslinking works
watch THIS
javascript:quote('5920010');
>>>/wsg/5915798

>>715108087
That's the amazing thing about solar wind and battery. Once it's installed all the costs are purely maintenance for the workers and cleaning and basic stuff. With nuclear, you need strategic access to radioactive materials, since it still consumes fuel.

>>715095118
>Cope
LCOE is not a complete metric of competitiveness, as it lacks representation of
the value provided to the system. Power generation technologies primarily generate electricity
(or energy) but also provide other services that are critical to the adequacy, reliability and quality
of electricity supply. Among technologies that have similar operational characteristics and play
similar roles in power systems – and therefore have similar value to the overall system – the LCOE
can provide a robust metric of competitiveness. But not all power technologies contribute equally
to these essential services.
A comparison of a utility-scale solar PV project with and without a battery storage system
highlights the need to look beyond the LCOE alone. In terms of costs, adding a battery storage
system to a solar PV project necessarily raises the total costs of the project and, when charged only
by the solar PV array, reduces the total output due to the round-trip efficiency of storage. In this
case, both factors indicate a higher LCOE for solar PV plus storage compared with solar PV alone. At
the same time, the addition of a battery storage system would increase the value proposition of the
project for the owner and system. Output could be aligned dynamically to system needs, providing
energy when it is most valuable. The battery could provide ancillary services to the grid, including
frequency control, and could displace the need for other types of dispatchable capacity. For a system
planner or an investor considering both the costs and value aspects, solar PV plus storage could be
the better choice despite having a higher LCOE.

>>715109624
you know the shit that goes into a solar panel doesn't just sprout out of thin air

Reminder that solar is only cheap because China, who effectively has the monopoly on panel manufacturing now, is dumping them onto developing markets to make them dependent on China. Prices will come up over time, and by the time you need a replacement set, the frog's already been boiled.

>>715110121
If somehow access to solar production was cut off it doesn't affect the already installed panels.

>>715109624
>Once it's installed all the costs are purely maintenance for the workers and cleaning and basic stuff
The disposal costs of wind and solar are quite severe. Particularly I am told with regards to solar due to the materials used in making them (some are quite toxic, its even worse with batteries which both solar and wind require in large amounts) multiplied by how many of them you need to reach a a proportionate amount of power generated by nuclear or coal plants.
Transmission is also a problem. Here in australia the proposals pushed by the liberals were predicated on building the nuclear plants on the sites of decommissioned coal plants, so all the infrastructure could be re-used. Solar and wind (due to its diffuse nature) typically requires a shiteload of infrastructure. One of the big issues here is how farmers are getting a bit fucked by the government, because the government comes along and says we wanna fuck up your fields and chuck transmission lines all over them, the farmers say get fucked, and the government either says too bad so sad or has to throw buckets of cash at the problem.
>With nuclear, you need strategic access to radioactive materials, since it still consumes fuel
I believe somewhere in the order of 90% of solar panels are produced by china, likewise the majority of steel is produced by china (which is an issue for wind). That makes strategic access an issue. I'm an australian, so this situation looks particularly good for us since we already export uranium so the strategic access problem is really just developing an industry. Solar conversely looks really bad because even if we have access to the materials (which as I understand, is more so an issue of ecological impact during the refining process than it is pulling it out of the ground), due to its relative inefficiency (how much fuel you need vs how many solar panels you need) its going to have a large industry footprint.

how efficient are those things they make where you crank something using your arms and it stores power? Don’t they have flashlights and stuff that works like this? Do they make anything like an exercise bike that is hooked up to a battery that you can charge by exercising? Can you use a setup like that to then charge other things like your phone or a laptop? Because every person should be exercising anyway for their health is there some way that the government could just invest in improving technology like this so all people could generate like 2%-5% of the electricity they use every month? It doesn’t sound like a lot but wouldn’t that be the closest thing to “free energy” since people are going to exercise anyway? many people already have an exercise bike in their home so if everyone had one that was designed for this purpose I imagine it would work and lessen the burden on the electrical grid.

>>715091792
what the fuck

>>715109624
Maintenance, waste disposal, and decommissioning are included in the cost of modern nuclear power stations.

>>715110404
What is being disposed of? The solar panels just sit there. They're basically reverse LEDs. There's no moving parts. The batteries might have moving parts for the fans.

>>715110287
Except that panels have a lifespan of 5-10 years even if nothing goes wrong. Don't trust the manufacturer claims, old panels drop off in output really fast.

>>715091792
is this what happens at turkish baths? is it all just a misunderstanding?

>>715110575
Same with solar. It's called LCOE.

>>715110627
No, they have a lifespan of 50-100 years.

>>715110617
When the solar panels reach end of life you pillock. You can't just leave them there for the materials to break down over time and leach into the soil. You have to bury them so they can break down over time and leach into the soil. Solar panel lifetime has gotten a lot better very quickly over the last few decades, and that's expected given the crazy amounts of cash that we and china have been pumping into this technology.

>>715110728
>LCOE
I already explained why LCOE is incomplete. Also, solar and wind don't pay for waste disposal and decommissioning.
>50-100 years
Stop playing Fallout.

>>715110430
a typical toaster uses 800+ watts, with many using 1500 or even more
most people can't sustain a power output over 50 watts

>>715110778
The panels are made of basic materials that can be reused. Why would they be disposed of? It's not nuclear material that is used up.

>>715110845
You clearly don't understand how solar panels work if you think after 10 years they stop producing power.

>>715090573
Based. Total Human Death.

>>715093538
It makes a lot of sense to have solar as the main form of energy for fluctuating demand because the time you need it most (midday with AC's blasting) is also when you'd have the most sun.

>>715107030
we need more to save the plants

>>715110430
turning food into electricity via exercise is about as efficient as commuting in a semi truck. even turning food into locomotion via bicycle, which by itself is by far the most efficient mode of transport that humans or nature has concieved, is surprisingly wasteful- even some cars are more efficient per km, nevermind rail transport or e-bikes.

>>715110962
A lot of energy gets used in the morning and late afternoon. Though it is somewhat convenient that not much energy gets used during the night
Remember anons, having a good sleep schedule is Big Solar trying to prevent you from ruining their margins. DON'T GIVE IN

>>715111140
A good sleep schedule would mean you mostly used energy during daylight, right? So that would help solar's margins.

>>715111212
That's what I said you dingbat.

>>715110931
These panels are baisically backwards LEDs. Have you got an OLED screen with your CSGO crosshair permanently etched into it? You can still use it, sure, but will you? Its effectiveness has diminished to the point where you'd rather buy a new panel than have to deal with halved power from what you got.
And again, that's without panel getting smashed by hail or something, or just randomly dying because chink electronics multiplied by planned obsolescense.

>>715110728
>they have a lifespan of 50-100 years.

>>715110931
most of the things that cause solar panels to become inefficient over time are damage, for want of a better catch all descriptor, but the solar cells themselves also do unavoidably degrade in their ability to produce electricity by a few percentage points a year or so, i suspect you are only thinking about the second way that they die

>>715110962
Or you could just use reliable baseload, intermediate, and peak power. Nuclear power can handle baseload and intermediate demand, while hydroelectricity can handle peak demand.

>>715111140
>Bro how can you be using electricity at night? Just sleep! What are fridges, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, factories, etc.?

>>715096778
Just. Fucking. IMAGINE.
What the ayylmaos will think of us when we start doing this.

>>715110860
I sometimes will use an exercise bike for like an hour how much power do you think that could have generated realistically? I it’s enough exertion that the room heats up and I’m covered in sweat. I had the impression that if it was a battery it would accumulate something.

>>715111095
It isn’t about it being 100 percent efficient the reason I proposed it is that we are already exercising recreationally anyway. it seems like a missed opportunity to not leverage it if there is a way to do it. if you exercise on a bike for a half hour a few times a week, let’s say a half hour 3 times a week, multiplied by 4 weeks in a month that would be 6 hours. That’s 6 hours of energy you are using regardless whether you are harnessing any of it or not. Which is why I said free energy. Not in the sense of a thermodynamics breakthrough .

>>715111730
>Please go to bed instead of working shifts and don't wake up so we can comfortably roam the countryside in bat form and prey on defenseless virgins- I mean maintain a stable grid
At last I truly see

>>715111775
>we are already exercising recreationally anyway
speak for yourself
i'm efficiencymaxxing in my bed rn

>>715111749
>Boom boom crash
Thats all it takes for a hostile galactic empire to use nuclear reactions to launch tungston rods into your planet. Why haven't you invested into an orbital laser defense grid?

>>715111481
The panel is made of silicon and glass and metal dude, and they can produce electricity for long after they're economically viable for large scale utility. You can have them disposed of for free by just giving them away and someone can use them to generate energy for cheap. They can be used as roofing for shaded areas, or even fences. Nobody is going to spend the money to grind them up or illegally throw them into a field.

>And again, that's without panel getting smashed by hail or something, or just randomly dying because chink electronics multiplied by planned obsolescense.
The amount of damage caused by a single earthquake to a Japanese nuclear plant is more than the 21st century's total hail storm damage to solar panels. Nuclear disasters are just far worse compared to rare weather events which damage cheap panels.

>>715111582
Same with nuclear power plants

>>715111775
>exercycle
you'd probably be able to charge up about one aa battery a week if you go for an hour a day

>>715106717
>black magic
Everyone knows electricity is yellow or blue, you nincompoop.

>>715090893
lol this just fucks up your own pipes

>>715112072
>same with nuclear power plants
that's not the case with nuclear power plants thoughaveit

>>715098664
Wasn't it because some technician accidently opened a hydraulic valve and didn't close it?
Chernobyl went because one of the rods was stuck didn't it

>>715112154
It looks blue but tastes yellow.
That's weird.

>>715112382
>The engineer's thinly disguised fetish

>>715092451
Electricity is the "it just fucking WORKS okay, don't ask me how" of natural phenomena.

>>715112072
>just ignore the cadmium, indium, gallium, selenium, perovskite, and telluride

>>715112249
Fukushima disaster cost $180 billion.
Chernobyl $700 billion
Hail Storm damage to solar panels per year: <$1 billion

>>715112072
>just giving them away
>Bro just dump the toxic waste on African countries!
Retard.
>The amount of damage caused by a single earthquake to a Japanese nuclear plant is more than the 21st century's total hail storm damage to solar panels. Nuclear disasters are just far worse compared to rare weather events which damage cheap panels.
That earthquake and tsunami was one of the biggest in history, and Fukushina was avoidable, and it killed only one person and caused several permanent injuries.
>Same with nuclear power plants
Nuclear power stations are maintainable. Even the pressure vessel can be annealed to reverse the brittleness from radiation exposure.

Okay but if I blow my PC fan the wrong direction with compressed air can that actually send enough voltage to the board to damage my PC

>>715112504
Bro, solar panels increase biodiversity in the area due to their shading. If they were really poisonous, they would reduce it.

>>715091412
what if we just launch a bunch of satellites with solar panels orbiting the earth and wirelessly transfer the power to earth

>>715112452
No that's gravity.
All the forces governing electricity are simple, understandable and even intuitive.

>>715112139
I have trouble believing that but that’s fascinating if true that it’s that little energy output. That also makes it sound like a aa battery has a large storage of energy. So ultimately I get the larger impression it’s a problem of energy waste not being properly captured.

Either way GAMEBOY CHADS WE CANT STOP WINNING EVEN 20 years later WE JUST NEVER STOP WINNING UNLIMITED POWER

>>715112540
>Can only think of cleanup costs
kek. What is the economic cost of the grid going down because of adverse weather?

>>715111749
>alright ensign Glzoorp give me your latest report on the retarded suicidal apes
>"They're currently trying to reach the next star system by repeatedly blowing themselves up with fission bombs sir"

>>715112667
Inverse square law

>>715094050
We don't have the battery technology for solar to ever become the primary form of energy. Also, it's completely unviable in most of the inhabited world. Europe is too far north and rainy. China has too much smog and crushed human spirits. India is too rainy and the bad smell vapors block out the sunlight. All of South America except for certain regions of Argentina and Chile are too rainy/forest covered/far south. There's a narrow band around the equator and tropics that both has long enough days and short enough rainy seasons for it to be a viable product even if solar panels were 99% efficient.

>>715112663
>Using important agricultural land for solar panels and wind turbines is good actually!

>>715090573
>20 time more accident
>20x1 = 20
>nuclear accident since chernobyl : 0

>>715112692
Like during the texas snow storm, where natural gas plant shutdowns caused massive grid wide outages? And solar panels overperformed due to the conditions caused by the snow storm?

>>715112540
the annual cost of damaged solar panels is more like 10 billion but do go on

>>715112708
>"And they just reached the andromeda galaxy"

>>715112795
>We don't have the battery technology for solar to ever become the primary form of energy.
10 years behind. California has batteries delivering the most power during peak usage in Spring. Eventually it will be all year, then it will be longer and longer into the night.

>>715090426 (OP)

>>715095767
>>715100168
It doesn't take a fucking genius to understand what electricity is in the most basic sense. You're being vague as a defense mechanism like all perma online faggots good at writing essays but with nothing of substance to contribute. It's not magic voodoo science we will never understand. Electrons aren't abstractions. Fuck you retards.

>super duper wunderwaffen nuclear fusion power
>Look inside
>It's just heated water making steam which turns a wheel same as they did 200 years ago

>>715111645
Hydroelectricity is amazing but is held back by location, same as geothermal. Renewables are pretty good as an extra layer on top of nuclear.

>>715112540
The chernobyl disaster has actually cost about $8 billion for cleanup, the sarcophagus, and confinement, with less than $50 billion for everything health and environment since then

>>715112845
The unreliable solar and wind were being backed up by unreliable gas. Nuclear power had the best reliability rate because only 1 of Texas' 4 reactors froze.

>>715090573
The problem with nuclear power isn't that it's unsafe, it's that they produce so much energy that in a free market they would put themselves and everyone else out of business. It's an absolutely astronomical amount of energy that they produce. Without regulation, you'd get one big company with access to a lot of uranium producing electricity for so cheap that literally no one else could compete. We're talking everyone on Earth being able to run their ACs at max blast all summer for pennies on the dollar. That would put all the oil, coal, solar, wind, and etc companies out of business in no time flat, and then eventually the competing nuclear businesses too, leading to a monopoly on energy generation.

>>715113145
Solar is more reliable than nuclear though. What if you run out of nuclear fuel?

>A bunch of monkeys on a rock floating in space have basically figured out how to create a miniature sun and get nearly infinite energy from it
>We cant ever actually put that into action cause shit head commies 40 years ago couldnt boil water correctly and it scared the shit out of everyone since

>>715113351
There's negligible risk of that: >>715097898

>>715112540
Nuclear disasters are generally preventable, all three we've had so far were due to flawed engineering multiplied by extreme circumstances. RBMKs have worked for a long time after Chernobyl, just with some added precautions, and many different reactor designs in Japan have easily survived earthquakes and typhoons.
Meanwhile, solar panel damage is expected.

>>715112675
it's just that chemical electricity containers are so damn dense, same thing with petrol, it's just so unbelievably energy dense compared to a hamburger

>>715113407
The oil companies would have found an excuse either way, I'm sure.
>M-muh nuclear non proliferation
Is the current excuse now that its more or less accepted that nuclear power plant safety is a solved problem.

>>715097898
How the fuck could we outpower the sun ? seem bulshit but i want to believe it

>>715113407
That's fusion. Fission is like the smelly retarded second cousin of fusion (but still got that tard strength).

>>715091167
are you a fucking idiot?

>>715113407
The communists were smarter than most humans on Earth. You want India filled with Nuclear Power Plants? How about Palestine? Egypt? Niger?

>>715091167
Tidal/wave energy is actually the best green energy, but only work in coastal areas and aren't enough of a scam to invest in.

>>715113565
How retarded are you?
That's got nothing to do with overpowering the sun, quite the opposite.
The entire energy needs of this planetary civilization are a mere speck compared to the star that will eventually swallow it.

>>715113508
>The oil companies would have found an excuse either way, I'm sure.
im such a schizo, for a second i was wondering if it was possible to make a tsunami just to fuck up japan energy

>>715093861
>>715093861
>generates 3x amounts of energy per year
That's a fucking lie.

>>715112949
and where will we get the raw metals for that

>>715113901
LCOE of solar is 3 times cheaper than nuclear...and dropping.

>antimatter reactors
>look inside
>it's boiling water

>>715113783
but india has nuclear power plants

>>715113976
Same place we would get raw materials for nuclear power plants: by mining.

>>715112675
You have trouble believing it because it's off by a few orders of magnitude.
An AA battery contains somewhere around 3 to 5 watt hours of power.
For an hour of biking, it's reasonable to produce around 100 to 200 W continuously. An hour a day over a week would generate at least 700 watt hours, more energy than 100 AA batteries.

>>715114092
Oh my god we're fucked.

>>715091534
I love Zork

Why would you need nuclear fissile materials for this when you can just heat the water?
Is there something about nuclear fissile materials that makes them release heat near infinitely?

>>715114107
we have access to fissile materials, we don't have easy access to most battery material

>>715098664
its funny/sad how liberal aunts always bring up Chernobyl the moment anyone brings up nuclear as a real green solution over fucking wind turbines and solar farms. they think the world is using soviet broken tech reactors

>>715114010
That is a blatant lie, do you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe you?

>boil water to generate electricity that powers my electric kettle, with which I boil water
Circle of life and shit.

>>715114010
No it fucking is not

>>715114728
>Boil water to generate electricity that powers my electric kettle with which I boil water to make my coffee to give me energy so I can operate the power plant to generate electricity to..

>>715113783
Egypt are building nuclear power stations.

Negative void coefficients are for girls. I wish more of my bones were irradiated.

>>715114107
Nuclear power needs much less mining than solar and wind.

>>715090529
literally just anal sex

>Look this special interests group made a graph
All your solar panels come from china, they have no shortage of solar panel.
So why are they on the cutting edge of nuclear reactors? Really makes you think. Almost like the country that is the only producer of solar panels doesn't believe that a society's energy needs can be solved by them.

>>715114972
Hard to use solar panels when you country exists in its own perpetual world of smoke and ashes

>>715090529
This is how you know we're living in a simulation. Electricity doesn't make any fucking sense. Microprocessors don't make any fucking sense. Computers are esoteric nonsense. Machine language? Get fucked. We're just told to believe it and we go along with it. We live on the axis of evil, at the beginning of the technological singularity. What are the fucking odds? You probably aren't even fucking real. I'm the only real person, and I subjected myself to this. Why? What am I trying to learn by placing a fragment of my consciousness in this fake world? What the fuck was I thinking?

>>715114347
Fuel rods can last for years

>>715114398
well, that's because in the West there was a serious push against nuclear power to the point of pure propaganda
for example: The China Syndrome

>>715090573
We'll have to build one in (You)r backyard, then.

>>715115209
i unironically believe we will see small scale nuclear reactors become popular in our lifetime

>>715090529
moving magnets create changes in magnetosphere. This excites the electrons in the wiring and cause them to move in a direction that counteracts the change. This movement, called resonance, can then be detected as electricity.

>>715115113
What are the odds of anything?

>>715113350
>The problem with nuclear power is [complete non-issue]

>>715090426 (OP)

>>715090426 (OP)
Why fissile when we can use thorium?

>>715115324
There are already plenty of pilot projects going on, so it's not that exotic of a projection.

>>715115324
Large reactors are more economical.

>>715113350
oh no

>>715115113
It might be true, but take your meds, you're losing your shit.

>>715115462
That's tokamak reactor, not a thorium reactor, retard.

>>715115462
>What is protactinium?
https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium-myths.html

>>715095437
Why don't they just play video games to pass the time?

>>715113350
i mean, that is exactly what happens in france and japan
meanwhile germoney had to unsheathe their baggers and start mining coal again

we should freeze water so it now creates anti-electricity by working backwards

>>715095437
wait, so the simpsons are actually realistic?

>>715114347
More efficient than oil or coal; fusion still takes more power to run than it can generate.

>>715114112
So you’re telling me that asshole anon lied to me??? Why the fuck would he do that!!!!!!!! Gameboy chads….we have it better than we previously knew was possible…

>>715114347
>Is there something about nuclear fissile materials that makes them release heat near infinitely?
Nuclear fission simply releases enormous amounts of energy given a small amount of fuel. Nothing else even comes close to it. If you took a hunk of coal, and a hunk of low-enriched uranium of the same weight, the uranium would provide you with more than 100,000 times the amount of energy.

>>715090426 (OP)

>>715116853
Okay if thats true. Why does it rake more power to generate that energy as >>715116419 says, than the energy produced? Is it like tungesten or something where it takes a lot to heat up or something

>>715090426 (OP)
the reactor water and turbine water are separate loops, unless things go wrong like at the Trojan plant

>>715116973
He said FUSION not FISSION. They are different processes. Nuclear fission is splitting atoms, fusion is combining them. Fission requires a lot of precision and has two main drawbacks. If you don't control the chain reaction all the energy gets released at once and that's what we call an atom bomb. If you control the release of energy and stabilize it, that's a nuclear reactor, and unfortunately a result of splitting atoms is that it generates a lot of waste.The split up atoms don't just disappear. So fission is either extraordinarily destructive, or else generates radioactive waste, even if it is extremely efficient to generate energy.

Fusion, on the other hand, requires tremendous forces in order to make it stable and self-sustaining, which is why it is currently too expensive to be feasible. Nobody can make a fusion reactor run for very long.

But if they could it'd be basically free energy. I mean, just look at the sun. A natural, self-sustaining nuclear fusion reactor in space that's be running for billions of years and will run for a billion more and has literally powered all life on this planet.

>>715090529
>what is electricity even?
the medium through which we cast spells in our reality

>>715094410
>Is a literal living example of big oil's anti-solar propaganda messaging
>"no guys, oil companies actually want solar energy proliferation because (???)!"

>>715117362
>and has literally powered all life on this planet.
no it hasnt

>>715117559
no energy has ever existed on this planet that did not come from our sun

>>715117559
The sun is literally the source of all life on this planet. Without solar radiation we'd be a dead lifeless rock.

>>715115336
RESONANCE CASCADE

>>715117682
Nah, the sun has existed for billions of years. Life on earth would probably sprout out anyway somehow

>>715090529
There is only one electron in existence. Phasing infinitely.

>>715117682
Microbes didn't even start using solar energy until two billion years after life rose up from hydrothermal vents. Your statement would be correct if you said COMPLEX life however, as that probably wouldn't have arose without photosynthesis trapping the sun's energy in the food web.

>>715118923
where do you think the hydrothermal vents came from idiot

>>715119002
lol

>>715119002
from... underground?

>>715090573
>nuclear plants emit radioactivity!
Are you stupid? All the nuclear material is kept safe and secure. Only coal plants do that blast all their radioactive material into the air you breathe.

>>715113105
My favorite meme

>>715119108
the heat is coming from the earth's core which was formed from the sun's energy

>>715090897
The fact that this only happened once, in Russia of all places, and still wasn't a big deal shows how safe nuclear power is.
Humanity learned the second best source of energy bar building a literal sun in a cage (progress pending) and we decided to bury it because of retarded hippies.
Mark my words once fusion gets going we'll also ban it because of a bunch of retarded slacktivists.

>>715119384
>which was formed from the sun's energy
r u avin a giggle m8?

>>715090529
boiling water release the hidden energy inside trapped for eons, which the alchemically designed fans then suck up to rotate themselves and that rotation is converted into electricity via magic (like turning lead to gold). only works with the placement of the right runes on the blades and the bottom of the container holding the water water though and thats the hard part

>>715119568
>>715119664
the earth formed when the moon crashed into it, and the sun heated up the core which resulte din plant life.
literally cant make it any clearer

>>715119208
The reason no civilization has built a dyson sphere is because they couldn't find enough water to fill it.
This is the answer to Fermi's paradox. Water is the civilization bottleneck because we can't harness large quantities of energy without enough water to do something with all that energy.

>>715119726

>>715119771
yeah hydrogen and oxygen are among the rarest elements in the galaxy after all

>>715119771
Fool, there's tons of water in the universe, enough to fill hundreds of dyson spheres. We just don't know how to move it all. You can't just launch ice at a dyson sphere without breaking something.

when you think about it, the soviets and the US could have made human development increased 10 fold if either side focused on self development more and the need of warfare wasn't required. the soviets collapsed purely due to focusing 80% of their budget on military. it goes to show that humanity would have progressed much farther than it is now if it wasn't so human.

Powerful enough wizards today can enchant a slab of sand with magic runes to make the slab talk.
Some can even extract the life essence of trees and contain it in a chemical concoction which can then be used to power the sand slabs to talk on their own.

>>715119869
yeah but most of hydrogen is busy powering the stars

>>715120042
You can also argue the progress would've stagnated if it wasn't for the fierce competition between US and USSR. You can't just assign a budget of 69 trillion dollars to a development fund for humanity and wait until utopia is achieved. Most inventions happen out of necessity and their true consequences aren't known for a while. Internet and many technologies to handle massive datasets only exist because some nerds wanted to smash two small particles to see if they'll split into even smaller ones.

>>715091792
>I fell

>>715090529
It’s an electron gradient that’s trying to find homogeneity. Friction sheers of electrons from molecules. Same reason rubbing a balloon on your head produces static electricity.

>>715090573
friendly reminder that germans got scammed out of cheap energy by green party sponsored by russian oil peddlers lmaooo KWAB

>>715090573
t. retard that doesn't know how radiation works.

>>715093907
It's a bit more complicated, they're diversifying into renewables because they can sense the market is changing. At the same time they're opposing new developments so that upstart new companies can't come in and undercut them before they're ready to corner the market themselves

>>715090897
>Communists on the other side of the world were retarded 40 years ago
>So that means we should no longer use this technology, even though we've never had a problem with it.

>>715091167
My favorite power generating source, b a t t e r y.

>>715090529
a changing electric field induces a magnetic field and vice versa. you spin a magnet around and it creates an electric field, which creates an electric current. generators are extremely simple, you can build one yourself

>Find new liquid in another planet/galaxy in the future
>Boil it

reminder that wind power literally steals the wind

>>715123459
Is that why it's been so hot lately?

>>715123498
maybe
ireland has lost a noticeable percentage of its wind

>>715123459
This makes some sense when you think about it.
The wind is pushing against the blades, then the energy deplicates, essentially losing any wind left.
It's probably hard to notice since they're usually placed out in the ocean, or on hills. But, technically speaking, the wind is ''used up'' by the turbines.

>>715123459
And solar power 'steals' the sun.

Dumb humans

>>715123793
>>715123459
Go do mass deforestation then. damn tree leaves be stealing all our precious wind, at a scale of a million times more than all our wind turbines combined.

>>715123793
Yes
and when you place absolute shit tons of them like ireland has. you lose your wind

>>715091908
Solar and wind are garbage. Them being garbage is the entire reason Microsoft is paying the government to reopen Three Mile Isle.

>>715124252
Trees are condensed to forests, where there is no wind. That's why the animals can live there without getting cold.

>>715124331
Solar is pretty good on a small scale if you want independent energy generation for your house or whatever. Expensive, but better than trying to fuel a traditional generator.

>>715124404
>where there is no wind
Yeah, because trees stole all the damn wind.

>>715091167
anyone who isnt pro nuclear isnt pro green energy
>solar
>cadmium, lithium mining lmao
>only last for ~10 years
>battery
>lithium again
>wind
>birds, ugly, loud, barely generate more energy than they take to make
>non recyclable
>nuclear
>dig up rock
>use rock and put it back in the ground somewhere fucked off from society
all of the deaths combined from nuclear accidents dont make up what coal and gas do in a years time.

>>715090426 (OP)
yeah nuclear power is really some sci fi shit and people are very panicked about it.
you are literally using small amount of material to make x10000 energy from it.

Fusion will fix everything

What's so great about fusion that it won't produce mega cancer permanent waste and won't explode and forever make entire areas unliveable?
Because if it can still do that then you'll still get people pointing at Chernobyl and denouncing it.

>>715090573
Lol why did this trigger so many nuclearbrains

>>715090529
Electromagneticism is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature. The reason why electricity works is because you can make electrons move along a magnetic field. The reason turning things makes electricity is because you are doing work that transfers its energy along said field. It's the same as grabbing something and pulling it to move it, except we are generating the energy with the electrons.

>deprive the soil of the sun
>deprive your country of its wind
this will surely not have any horrifying consequences

>>715126342
Do you retards literally not pay any attention in school? Is this the average 4channers IQ? Just think about it for a second dumbass.

>>715118923
Akshually photosynthesis came about pretty much instantly after life in general began.

>>715126689
Found the neocon

>>715127005
>someone points out something that is obviously a bad idea
>noooo you're just a >insert word thats 5 years old which i learned in college or something
retard

>>715090529
The general idea is that you spin a magnet inside a coil of wire. The magnet pulls/pushes on all the electrons in the wire as it spins and creates alternating current where the electrons are pushed back and forth.

>>715115113
>computers are bullshit
>but we're living in a simulation
I think I've spotted a flaw in your logic.

>>715090693
We do have other means of capturing energy, but nothing we've coming up with approaches the efficiency of boiling water, and even in that the only means we've found to improve it is to find more effective means of boiling water.

>>715090573
I hate people like you because retards have been blooding the internet for a while and they believe everything they read

>>715095289
Maria was killed over it so we don't know what happens
>>715115113
computers are magic you idiot, it's symbols drawn into refined elements of the earth allowing you to talk to horrid monsters (indians) from places that shouldn't exist (United Kingdom) and also gives you access to free knowledge.

>>715124747
You're overselling the downsides of wind and solar, but yeah, nuclear is the best option.
We should have gone all-in on nuclear 40 years ago, but the boomers were all pissing their pants after the cold war.
We don't even recycle our nuclear fuel. We could. Other countries do. Just the nuclear waste we have right now could power America for 100 years or something. And the resulting waste after doing that is far less radioactive. So you only have to store waste for 20 years or something instead of 200. Not to mention you don't have to mine new uranium.
The reason we don't do it is that recycling nuclear waste creates plutonium which is good for nukes. The boomers were afraid of nuclear proliferation while they already had enough nukes to destroy the world 500 times over.
Also it's cheaper to mine new uranium in America than to recycle it. Thanks capitalism. If doing the right thing costs more money then it can't be done.

But how long can those nuclear hot rods stay hot enough to boil water?

>>715126689
Boomers are retarded and cannot run nations, hence the application of all the bullshit they came up with giving themselves brain damage with acid and weed in the 60s.

>>715128215
Depends on the composition, US navy nuclear reactors in subs and carriers last 15 years (but those are highly enriched)

>>715128215
Several years minimum. They stay hot even longer than the time they're good for use as fuel. Eventually they just become too hot and too radioactive for safe handling.

>>715127883
>computers are magic you idiot
It's a switch being turned on and off really fast as code for 1 or 0.

>>715115396
I learnt in year 11 advanced physics that hot air actually rises relative to cold airso this would be feasible right?

>>715128591
Sure thing gandalf. Now how about you 1s and 0s up some titties.

>>715126342
Actually fusion uses tritium which is very radioactive and dangerous. Normal hydrogen isn't good enough for fusion. They need the danger hydrogen with extra neutrons to make it heavier.
And nuclear waste isn't permanent waste if you recycle it properly. America doesn't fucking recycle it's waste, so people think it takes hundreds of years to become safe. Recycled nuclear waste only has to be stored for 50 years. It's a long time, but that's short enough to be sustainable.

Fusion reactors still haven't broken even. Let alone actually produced electricity at a useful level.
We don't have the luxury of anymore time. The boomers fucked us and we have to use what we've got. This is an emergency. The fucking military identifies climate change as the biggest threat to national security.