He's right
Beauty is absolute.
Only beautiful people deserve adoration and respect.

>>715125549
so true

>>715125057 (OP)
Mitsuo, the fat girl, and Kashiwagi were all horrible people on the inside as well.

>>715125549
So true, when will you kill yourself to honor this?

>>715125683
I didn't say you deserve to die for being ugly / undesirable.
You just don't deserve acceptance, you can still live to serve if you want

mitsuo literally killed people
hanako was so fat she could kill people if she sat on them
kashiwagi's shit attitude killed boners

stop defending murderers

>>715125057 (OP)
Adachi is pretty qt and the party still largely treats him as the shitter he is

>>715125832
Ugly people deserve to die though. So again: when?

>>715126381
That's why they initially think he's a good person and want to hang out with him. That's why they never even so much as gave the fat girl or Mitsuo a chance.

>>715125651
>Mitsuo, the fat girl, and Kashiwagi were all horrible people on the inside as well.
Society made them that way because that's all people saw them as. The game doesn't even want to consider entertaining the idea that people internalize flaws from their experiences and become self-destructive people.

>>715126612
Mitsuo didn't give anyone an opportunity to know him at all. What he did was show up, scream incoherently at a stranger, then go and murder another stranger for attention. Yeah no shit he got no chances.

>>715126827
He was shunned his whole life and judged by other people for having soulless fish eyes, so he lashed out.

>>715126881
Cool motive, still murder. Maybe once he gets

>>715125057 (OP)
It also helps that they're all horrible people too

>>715125057 (OP)
>Expecting any depth in an atlus game made after Persona 3

>>715125651
That's the point. All the bad people were ugly and never had a chance for redemption.

>>715125057 (OP)
>murderer
>arrogant
>groomer
they’re bad people who you shouldn’t hang out with

>>715127159
There is literally nothing wrong with being a groomer

>>715125057 (OP)

>>715126612
no in game wants to hang out with Adachi because he actively tries to avoid people. Dojima has to force Adachi to drink with him and come to his house

>>715127157
This is exactly the problem with modern Atlus
>>715127306
Just because it's in a manga doesn't make you any less of an asshole for believing it. Persona has historically had positive depictions of fat people before, but that was because the people writing the stories were interesting people who lived in the real world and not trying to make some shallow otaku fantasy
>>715127505
It's almost as if there's something about reaching out to people who are hurting and being a compassionate person.

>>715127582
>It's almost as if there's something about reaching out to people who are hurting and being a compassionate person.

none of this stops Adachi from murdering tho

>>715127306
This is the exact kind of take you expect from a fundamentally shallow vapid cunt, and leads to shit like Asia's obsession with plastic surgery.

>>715125549
What about guys like Hasan Piker or Jeffrey Dahmer then you stupid fucking faggot.

>>715127582

>>715127748
Because it came too late in his life, that's why it's a tragedy. If you had known Adachi before he went down that path, it might have turned out differently. That's exactly why he has the same power as you; he had the same potential for good, but was too far gone when he got it.

>>715127582
Fat men can be jolly and friendly. Fat women as well but only when they're already mothers. A young woman that's fat is always an awful person.

>>715127825
Imagine posting this as some sort of own, Pissona 3 Demake is literally soulless fucking garbage for retards.

>>715127778
wtf i love hasan piker now

>>715127778
Hasan isn't ugly at all.

>>715126671
>Society made them that way
Society made Ai that way too, but unlike the others she actually realizes she's a huge cunt and makes an effort to be a better person despite how society treated her.
Mitsuo. fat bitch and the teacher wallowed in their issues and refused to make any effort whatsoever in realizing and confronting their issues. you aren't given a pass for being dealt a shitty hand in life

>>715127825
That's correct. The p3 team was the start of nu atlus. Eventually they would take over the entire organization. You can see a clear point where the games started to have a stronger emphasis on cute girls rather than anything they cared about thematically previously. For a while they teetered the line, like Desu 1, but by Desu 1 it was literally just about throwing girls at you and ignoring everything else. SMT V made the protag a girl boy and then added asspulls to make sure you keep your cute girls and then added an update that just added more girls. It's a horrible company now that can't make a good game to save its life.

>>715126671
No. They made themselves that way and blamed society for not jerking them off for existing. You are in control of your own behavior

Kazuma Kaneko literally designed Igor to look creepy and off-putting to challenge to notion that looks equate to someone's morality. This was part of the original theme of Persona when making the series.

>>715128123
That was his point you illiterate.

>>715128010
>>715128212

>>715128123
That's the point, retard.

>>715128272
Maybe he thinks dahmer is ugly(?)

It had nothing to do with looks.

Guy on the left approached a girl from a different school, pressured her into going out, used a pet name of sorts, then became angry when she said she didn't want to. Then he went on to kill a teacher.

Girl in the middle is narcissistic, outright states that she believes many are below her, and treats others like garbage.

The teacher on the right bad mouths a teenage girl in a sexually-charged manner, tries to join a high school pageant despite being a teacher for the sake of her self-esteem, and then flirts with students.

All three are terrible people inside; they could be the prettiest looking people and that would be the same.

>>715128304
>Casualized trash gets praised because they finally no longer have to think and get to experience their favorite game they never played before
Uhuh, still a fucking garbage demake just like SH2R and FF7Redditbirth

>>715128352
Good one

>>715128304

>>715128368
>All three are terrible people inside; they could be the prettiest looking people and that would be the same.
But they weren't, and the game deliberately avoids making pretty people (except for Adachi) bad.

>>715125057 (OP)
Wouldn't it be funny if Hanako had a romance route though? haha.

>>715127884
Adachi chose to avoid people in high school too tho. Everything that happened in Adachi’s life was the result of his own actions

>>715127582
>>715128405
>>715128556

I think she was a nice lady

>>715128304
>paid reviews
>trusting Metacritic

Got Persona 5 at the end of tjhe steam sale only to realize just before installing it has denuvo. Well im probabls gonna refund bc while I somewhat understand from a publishers perspective to get denuvo when you just released your game, I definitely dont understand how you still have it for a game thats like 10y old.

>>715128557
Kashiwagi isn't ugly

>>715128573
>Adachi chose to avoid people in high school too tho.
Because normal fags ousted him from social circles for being weird, probably. Kids are cruel.

>>715128702
SEGA bought a grandfathered forever-license with Denuvo before it was canned, sorry buddy

>>715128862
Really? I googled a lil bit bc I was curious as to why the persona games still have it after so many years bc i know of lots of other games who dropped it after a year or two and what i found out was that usually the publisher pays a lot of money each month for the denuvo license. I cant imagine they sell endless licenses tb h.
Oh and i also read about instances where ppl couldnt play persona 5 bc the denuvo servers were down thats fucking ridiculous for a single player rpg lol.

>>715125057 (OP)
Good character design includes conveying a character through their appearance.
They can be subtle, sure, but there's an art to hitting just the right spot to showing what's inside.
>And truth lies in your heart. The contents of a person's heart shapes their appearance, and new images will change their hearts and their forms.
From Evangelion;
It's something that holds true even in reality, which is why those guys who have never touched a girl are invariably greasy, have awful unkempt facial hair, ugly glasses and wear some cringe anime T-shirt. You manifest your true self with your appearance, which is why everyone likes fit people - that dedication and self-sacrifice is admirable on a genetic level.
In the case of Persona 4 this really applies to someone like Kanji, who dresses as if he wants to push people away, but is always ACTING in a situation where he's helping people or asking for help. Naoto also applies; although she wants to "be a male detective" her ACTIONS show that she wants to be a feminine girl for a man who will do everything she can but better.

Of course fictional characters are always far more exaggerated than real life, but that's kind of the point (and the fun) of the medium.

>>715128557
I literally listed off exactly why they were. One's a murderer, one's a nearly abusive teacher, another is a narcissistic, mean-spirited girl. While I don't see all of them as outright pure evil, they aren't good people.

Also, I'd argue Kanji is not pretty in any capacity. The guy is like, 80% forehead, has a perpetual scowl matching his bad attitude, has a scar on his face, and has a brow that could beat a neanderthal's. He's not some hideous monster, but he's definitely not traditionally good looking. Yet he's a good person. Hell, look at people mentioning Igor. Guy's ugly as sin and probably one of the biggest heroes in the entire series.

>>715125057 (OP)
How can you not understand Persona 4 when the game is as deep as a puddle.

>>715128848
not true, he avoided people to focus solely on his studies

>>715129373
Women want to have sex with Kanji. He's popular among women so your entire argument there is invalid.

>>715129305
>It's something that holds true even in reality
It really doesn't, and this whole post is just a big cope for trying to justify being a shallow, judgmental person.

>no Noriko route
Still mad.

>>715125549
I agree, 3DPD deserve nothing but disdain.

>>715129509
What women anon? Real life women? Real life men would fuck Kashiwagi in a heartbeat. Hell, I'm sure there's some that would go for Morooka. People would fuck Teddie in his empty suit form, with the head removed.

That's a dumbass argument/bait, but alright.

>>715125057 (OP)
A lot of people aren't ugly because they're born deformed they're ugly becuase they don't care about themselves and that's not really a desirable trait.

>>715128243
Is this the same society that says similar to me now because I had a reaction to a jab and have become standoffish to these things now?
>oh it's just your genes, you're the problem
>stop spreading the illness for everyone else and just die already!
They literally say this everywhere nowadays. On tv and the internet.

>>715128557
Adachi isn’t a pretty boy, he just looks like and average dude with a goofy smile.

>>715128304
>go steam
>reviews are "this is a shit remake and aegis is not worth the money, plus isn't part of the deluxe editions"
>"also no femc for some reason"

FES is still superior.

>>715129837
It becomes exceedingly difficult to continue to want to care about yourself when you become depressed, doesn't mean you should treat them like shit because they're losing the will to live

>>715128243
The problem with that is she was allowed into the group anyway allowing her to become a better person, everyone was else wasn't even given that chance. So Ai is a shitty example

>>715126671
>Society made them that way because that's all people saw them as.
And what orifice did you pull that from?

>the only thing that matters in the world is luck
>someone with the luck to be born into a rich and beautiful family will always be better off than someone born poor and ugly no matter how much hard work the latter puts in
Many years later and no one has yet to disprove Adachi’s argument. Anytime someone tries to, they always devolve into just calling him a murderer (cause they realize they no longer have an argument and have to rely on character attacks).

>>715128592
>Persona X
>can't even outsell persona 1 or 2

>>715129173
Denuvo used to offer a perpetual license for games a long time ago, SEGA arranged a special deal with them to have the license affect ALL their games including any future titles for as long as they need the services.
Denuvo however stopped selling the perpetual license and stopped special agreements (during 2020) in favor of a subscription model which would only affect new customers. They still honor old agreements including SEGA's to this day.
None of their games will ever lose the DRM unless either A: Denuvo goes defunct or B: the perpetual license expires in 100ish years

>>715125057 (OP)
Ugly people are usually evil. Your exterior begins to reflect your inner person.

>>715125057 (OP)
Asians see fat people are morally inferior and they're not wrong. If you can't control your appetite who knows what else you can't control

>>715130253
No wonder this site is so fucking evil

>>715130143
There's an endless number of examples in real life of people pulling themselves up from nothing.

>>715129837
Some are ugly and get uglier because they gained a heart deformation due to side effects from their medications for a simple illness or medical problem. This deformation means it takes monumental effort just to make themselves look approachable now.

The future is ugly people because your pharma industry has devolved into mere racket capitalism.

>>715130160
>has to mention the still ongoing gacha china-made spinoff because he's too afraid of 3,4, and 5

>>715130247
Ok, so kill all Denuvo racketeers. Got it.

>>715130143
It's pseudo-intellectual nonsense. There's plenty of examples of both, that being attractive/rich obviously gives you a massive boost, and that being ugly/poor doesn't guarantee less success. You see rich/attractive people fall into non-existence due to self-esteem issues, drug use, and more. You also see ugly/poor people find some niche that takes them to the top.

Adachi is right, that you will always have an easier time if you're rich/attractive. But you won't always be better than someone who is ugly/poor starting out. That's some incredibly concrete thinking that dismisses thousands of examples, even if they're less frequent than the norm.

>>715130396
Well they have done nothing but waste time and money in this shitty gacha game.
So all they have left are remakes.

Atlus is a dead corp. I don't think they'll make a good original game again. Metaphor was their last attempt.

>>715130349
That does not disprove the argument. Would those same people, had they been born into billionaire parents, been better off as a result? Among the ten richest people in the world, have any one of them been born into poverty? Adachi’s argument isn’t that someone born poor/ugly/weak can’t rise up and better himself; his argument is that that same person, had they instead been born rich/beautiful/strong, would’ve been better off than the alternative.

>>715130528
There's an endless number of examples in real life of well off people becoming worthless dregs of society and/or ruining their lives.

>>715130528
>Adachi’s argument isn’t that someone born poor/ugly/weak can’t rise up and better himself

>someone with the luck to be born into a rich and beautiful family will always be better off than someone born poor and ugly no matter how much hard work the latter puts in
>always

So is his statement a concrete fact that someone who is ugly/poor will never be as successful, or is it that he's saying they CAN be, but would've been better off having started with privilege?

You're saying two different things anon. One is stupid binary thinking, another has nuance.

>>715129305
If what is said in Evangelion is true, then there is no reason to listen to it, because every animator at Gianax at that time was extremely ugly, and the only person who was good looking was the exec who defrauded the company leading to it's bankruptcy.

>>715128592
Why did Reload sell so poorly in Japan compared to the West?

>>715128265
"The exception proves the rule"

>>715129741
>This character is ugly
>Actually he's popular with women and they don't think he's ugly
>I don't like that I'm wrong so your post is bait.

Whatever you say.

>>715129837
In Japan simply having freckles makes you ugly. Notice how the fat girl has freckles. Please tell me how to improve your personality so your freckles go away? Also whats the remedy for having a big head, which makes you ugly? Or thin eyes?

Yeah that's complete bullshit.

>you mean this out of towner high school boy who is ditched by his parents and has to adapt to a new environment actually tried to form relationships and make connections with his classmates and people around town instead of studying like an autist and reject people left and right and now he lives a fulfilling life??? Aieeeee save me Izanami!

>>715129637
What's truly "shallow" is absent-mindedly just dismissing reality with one single word as a cope for not being as good looking as one wants.
I bet you think gymbros are all "meatheads", yet you wouldn't know how to construct a workout regime if you tried.

>>715130067
What group are you talking about? Ai is only friends with (Yu)

>>715130787
Evangelion is shit though, doesn't make the quote untrue. They probably stole it from someone else, like everything else in that show.

>>715130485
Harvey Weinstein was rich and ugly and had to rape women to fuck attractive women. Leonardo DeCaprio is also rich but gets to fuck new 18 hotties every thursday and doesn't have to go to prison for it. Basically, you are the one spouting bullshit. It's not even intellectualism. Koreans as an example entire identity is how good their face looks. We are all the same as them, it's just they are the ones that openly admit it.

>>715130890
Nowadays, post covid jabs, the biggest issue is scabies.
Bit of a crisis because everyone's been poisoned.

>>715130645
Like that one guy who did that but was good looking so they made him a model? Do you think that would have happened if he was ugly? Of course not. Life is not just slightly easier when you are attractive, it's a night and day difference.

>>715130907
>I bet you dismiss an entire group of people just like I just did in my own post
Sincerely fuck off, one of my best friends goes to the gym regularly. Your entire philsophy is literally the most ugly shit imaginable and you judge people for wearing stuff they think is cool. Fuck you, cunt.

>>715130961
The quote is untrue because an ugly person said it. They must be a liar because they are not attractive. The only way that isn't true is if you are spouting bullshit.

>>715125057 (OP)
None of those characters wanted to form "meaningful connections" in the first place though. The hypocrisy argument would have some merit, if, say, the fat girl got an actual social link, but the entire story was just the investigation team shitting on her for being overweight.

>>715130693
Apologies for the hyperbole.

>>715130645
But would those same people have been better off had they been born in a favela? A slum? A ghetto? Would they suddenly have no longer ruined their lives? I suppose a better question to ask is: if you had the choice to be born to billionaires or rice farmers in a third world country, which would you honestly pick?

>>715130247
Damn that sucks. I was kinda looking forward to try the series out for the first time but I also bought some other games this sale so its alright. Plus I usually stick to my principle when it comes to boycotting things I strongly dislike/hate which is the case with denuvo. Welp, I'll check in back in a few years and see whats the status.

>>715125057 (OP)
Their inner self is as ugly as their outside. That is the point of their characters. He's a control freak weirdo, she's a stuck up holier than thou bitch and the teacher is a bitch whore who tries to fuck students.

Why do you guys want to see ugly people in your videogames?

>>715131130
He is sprouting bullshit and he's quoting a show and pretending not to like it so he continue to justify his retarded philsophy.

>>715129305
>show that she wants to be a feminine girl for a man who will do everything she can but better.
That was your fucking take away?

>>715131389
Japan used to have kinda ugly or oddly shaped people get to be heroes, but the society is so rotten that it's no longer allowed.

>>715127749
You sound like a fat and ugly person. Your immediate rebuttal is jumping to plastic surgery? You don't take care of your body your hair your clothes but want everyone to look at you and like you? That is very self centered.

>>715130890
95% of "ugly" people are just retards who are fat, didn't take care of their teeth, have bad haircuts/fashion and these are all things you can fix if you actually care

>>715131592
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO SHAVE AND STYLE YOUR HAIR TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLE COMFORTABLE OTHERWISE YOU'RE A SELFISH PERSON
Go jump off a cliff.

>>715125057 (OP)
Atlus are a bunch of cowards for not letting me harpoon Ohtani. God damn, a few plaps a week and she'll become a better person.

>>715131592
Because it's being used to justify anti-social behaviors like bullying

>No one said or did that

The chick in the quoted image did, because that's the context of her stupid statement. She bullied the person who she is speaking to, treated them like garbage, and that person then worked on themselves and looked good. She then didn't show any remorse for her actions, and justified it with that statement.

If you are a lazy ugly piece of shit you don't deserve to get hot chicks but being and ugly lazy piece of shit doesn't mean people get to treat you like you aren't human.

>>715131592
>the inly reason you would disagree with me is because you’re a coping fatty
ain’t this one of them “kafka traps?”

>Persona users in 3 have to be under extreme stress for them to come out so they have fake guns to shoot themselves with
>Persona users in 4 just have to wear some glasses and break a floating tarot card

>>715127089
It's not coincidence that Persona 3 killed the series, as it was the second title in the series with the cancer known as (((bisexual))) representation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70YYSz17OfU

>>715125057 (OP)
I'm a manlet with a small dick but at least I'm not ugly kek.

>>715125057 (OP)
All three of them get a social link. How would you write them?

>>715129976
>Overwhelmingly Positive

>>715125057 (OP)
isn't this just a pervasive problem with japan in general?
>you are ugly, fat, unsociable, therefore you must be a bad person. because pretty, handsome, popular people could never be walking, talking trash wastes of air

>>715133004
>Also if they ever do anything bad, there is a valid reason, and you just have to help them past that. If they are ugly though they are irredeemable and need to be stopped.

>>715133004
Jap celebrities would be horrible people too if there weren’t worse people controlling them and forcing them to act like plastic dolls at all times.

>>715132401
Why would a fake gun cause you stress though. The gun is justo a tool made by the Kirijo group to help them

>>715132401
The Persona 4 character have to accept their shadows before they get their personas, while the Persona 3 characters seemingly get them at random. Being Kanji and having to accept that gay shadow as part of you in front of random strangers is way more stressful than putting a fake gun to your head

>>715133349
>Japanese seiyuu invite seiyuu who can't get job out thinking they are getting a job, entire thing is a prank and they just make fun of them and force them to take it without saying anything

No they are just terrible people.

>>715131092
Hahaha

>>715131130
Ok.

>>715131429
>sprouting
HAHAHA ESL FAGGOT

Why did this get you so riled up, though? It's clear you don't think you're attractive, so you have to justify it somehow by saying you're a good person even though you're ugly. It's bizarre.

>>715133750
Nah I just like pointing out that you're full of shit and I see now that you've devolved into pure seething which further validates my opinion

>>715133974
Hahaha, ok. Have a good day, I hope you find a partner one day (it won't happen though).

>>715134109
Nice cope and projection.

>>715125057 (OP)
Nah they're right, ugly, fat and old people are all horrible creatures inside and out

>>715127582
>Persona has historically had positive depictions of fat people before
Thank god Atlus stopped making that mistake, fatties should be shunned and treated with disdain

>>715133585
i mean working in japan is a humiliation ritual in general
>forced to work unpaid overtime: THANK YOU TAKESHISTEIN-SAMA
>forced to grovel to your boss even when they make a mistake: THANK YOU TAKESHISTEIN-SAMA
>forced to write a letter of apology when you quit, otherwise they'll turn it into a legal battle or try to blacklist you by discrediting you to other businesses: THANK YOU TAKESHISTEIN-SAMA
>forced to work at a literal black company because the job market is so fucked & discriminatory: THANK YOU TAKESHISTEIN-SAMA
i'm from a balkan dump, but even here i am treated with a pretense of dignity & can pursue better opportunities without hindrance when i need to.

>>715125549
You tell them anon