FF7 Remake project was doomed from the start
>Nojima brain rot, the guy who had Tidus mistakenly kicking a mine and dying
>Being forced to take into consideration all of that garbage that was produced since the release of the OG
>Unreal Engine which let them scramble for shitty outsourced assets and it shows
>Inconsistent art direction due to compilation shit
>Cowardice either from writers or wanting to meet pg13 such as goo blood, barely any real havoc when the plate falls down etc
Had it been produced 2009-2012 it would have most likely been better.

>>715145276 (OP)
I'm not sure how FF7R could have been better, we literally are getting three full games + a prequel, you cannot top that.

>>Nojima brain rot
Nojima wrote the original, stopped reading there

>>715145370
unironically a beat for beat remake true remake with improved graphics, bugfixes, and a handful of new side quests/equipment/materia would have mogged the shit out of the "remake(s)" we got. like literally the exact same mechanics, maps, and script (with some typos fixed).

no, i'm not joking.

>>715145276 (OP)
>Had it been produced 2009-2012 it would have most likely been better.
>the years they did FF13 and 14 1.0 game design
Would it really?

>>715145482
FF7 doesn't hold up, it needed to change.

I think this character is the best example of everything that's wrong with the new content in Remake. Most people could get behind the addition of SOLDIERs being dispatched to track down Cloud & CO. But what we end up with is fuckin Roche. Completely utterly mind boggling levels of retardation

>>715145437
Yeah and obviously something happened since then, hence brainrot or was he tardwrangled in the past by the like of Sakaguchi in the first place.

LA CREATIVIDAD DEL GENIO DE NOJIMBO

>>715145482
I believe it.

>>715145482
and then you would have complained this is like the original and didn't need to be made

>>715145437
Over TWENTY years earlier, this is like manga writers doing a follow up story much later, they're not the same person they were and it shows

>>715145276 (OP)
FF7 has been flanderized beyond and above.
Just look at Zacks demise in the OG and compare it with what happens in CC.

>>715145370
Gee I dunno maybe they could've copy/pasted the original game but with updated graphics like everyone has been asking for for 20 years.

>>715146089
cool strawman dipshit, the remakes are cynical dogshit made for cum-brained mystery box shipper losers

>>715145276 (OP)
>Had it been produced 2009-2012 it would have most likely been better
VIIR with Lightning Returns gameplay would've been pretty sweet

>>715146353
just play the original, it doesn't fucking hold up

>>715146089
Yeah, all those complaints about how REmake is an unnecessary game and not at all the gold standard for what a remake should be, huh?

hourly turd based sissy seethe thread.

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>>715145370
You can actually to it by not shitting it up with multiverse ghosts.

>>715146089
Stop lying

>>715147165
as shit as the combat is in these games it's not the reason people dislike them

>>715150757
>Stop lying
I don't think he's wrong desu. It'd result in a lot of soul/soulless comparisons because it wouldn't be the same anyway.
The idea of a remake is often more appealing than having the actual product.

I thought Nojima's writing was actually really good in this, especially the character dialogue. The plot has a lot of retarded bullshit but the actual writing is really solid. I had the same impression as >>715145557 that he was washed up but this game changed that. It was also the first time I actually experienced Nojima's writing in japanese. So that may be a good clue to what exactly happened since then that made me think his writing went to shit.

>>715145276 (OP)
I don't mind Compilation shit. More boss fights is a good thing. Granted, what wasn't so great was having to pay extra for him AND needing to play through Yuffie's boring ass sidestory.

I wouldn't mind more returning bosses from the Compilation. They don't need to be important to the story, but some of them have cool designs and/or concepts.

Some of the story decisions were pretty fucking questionable though. Cloud and company fought off giant fucking monsters and can easily take down third class SOLDIERs, yet a bunch of retarded thugs easily took them down and knocked Cloud out, all just to force him to take part in the Chocobo Race.

>>715150994
Completely wrong.
The reason why remake usually flop is when they do what FF7R has done which is shit up the original stoy.

>>715151605
Nowhere near as retarded as the time jannies.

It's been a really fucking long time since I played FF7, but where the cloaked guys REALLY this omnipresent? I know they're relevant to the plot but I'm getting real sick of seeing them all the time.

>>715151129
>The plot has a lot of retarded bullshit but the actual writing is really solid
Nojima's fine as writer, he just does the scenario based on the concepts he gets delivered to him. The idiotic ideas come from the Kitase/Nomura/Toriyama side.

>>715151821
No, like everything else in the remake they cranked that part to eleven. And it's cringe too, there's no way people wouldn't get suspicious of a bunch of retarded dudes wearing the same black robes everywhere.

>>715152118
Right, I think a lot of people who blame everything on him don't understand how writing works in this industry, especially on the japanese side, more often than not. Even the original FF7 has "Based on a story by Testuya Nomura" in the credits. The writer is the guy whose job is to turn the broad strokes story into a script. The good character moments even Remake haters praise and say those should stay even if the retarded plot shit was excluded? Those were Nojima.

>>715152395
Weren't the time jannies his idea? I vaguely recall Nomura stating that his original plan was just a straight remake, but either Nojima or Kitase talked him and got him to incorporate the jannies.

>>715152364
The thing that bothers me is how they all dress the same. Was it just laziness? Couldn't they have had a bit more variation?

>>715145370
How much are they paying you for spreading consumerist propaganda?

How's Part 3 even gonna work, anyway? After Aerith's death, isn't it mostly revisiting past locations interspliced with dungeons? Like how would that work? Surely the entire game won't just be an asset flip where you re-explore places you've already gone through.

>>715145276 (OP)
With epic cinematics like this you can't lose

>>715153161
they have an entire third continent, several islands including Wutai to expand and all of the underwater shit

>>715145482
>>715146353
Remake goys used to clown on this opinion
Then e33 dropped

>>715145370
>I can't think how the meal could have been better
>I got 4 whole plates of uncooked unseasoned potatoes

>>715145539
It holds up fine

>>715147165
It makes me happy to know compilationtards are still seething over the actual game awards

Most criticism about this game flies off the rails and starts incorporating everyone's own pet peeves. I suggest that these are the biggest reasons FF7R hasn't been a major success, especially after Rebirth being a GOAT FF:
>Remake had too much padding. The way it hid loading screens blended in with its cookie-cutter side quests.
>A game titled "Remake" was only the first part of a trilogy, which angered and confused people. Remake should've been called Rebirth, and Rebirth something else.
>Rebirth should've put just a smidge of more effort into its radio towers and life springs. If there was a gameplay component to them, it would've deterred the kneejerk criticism they attract.
Basically, what I'm saying is that the action combat and story changes aren't what's materially deterring customers.

Og doesn't hold up grandpa

>>715145276 (OP)
>tidus kicking a mine and dying
I don’t remember that from FFX

>>715157447
It was in the ff x3 novel

>>715157113
>Remake had too much padding
That was the main thing that made me give up on it. Every decision to "expand" on the world/story just seemed so utterly meaningless and made every section grating because it dragged on to much.

Reminds me a lot of the failed Hobbit trilogy. The basically copied every same bad decision.

>>715152530
Yeah it's stupid. In the OG they were just rags, some of them didn't even wear any.
Here it feels like they all got specially tailored robes straight from Shinra's assembly line.

Alright, I'll say it. I've never played FF7 and my only knowledge of it is from osmosis. Should I play the original or start the remake? My only contact with Final Fantasy was Stranger of Paradise but I don't mind turn-based stuff.

>>715159162
Original
ORIGINAL
IGNORE REMAKE SHILLS

>>715145276 (OP)
nortubel was also doomed from the start

>>715159162
The original has aged and not always in a nice way, but the remake is such a clusterfuck of idiotic re-writing and multiverse crap that you should play the OG.

>>715159162
Start with original. Ignore remakefags. Even if you play the remake they're spun off from the originals.
>>715159837
It has "aged" just fine. I'm a 24 year old zoomer and I played it for the first time earlier this year. I had a great time. I haven't been gripped by a game like that in a long time.

>>715159162
Original with graphic mods

>>715147000
REmake did change a bunch of things but in a good and fun way. But that was back when remakes were actually made by the same team as the original and they knew what the fuck they were doing.

>>715160064
Any recommendations?

>>715160064
Download 7th heaven and install these

>>715160875 (me)
>>715161129
Thanks

>>715145557
They fucked up this guy for no reason. If this is a sequel, why not introducing new characters? They want to change, without changing and the changes they made contraddicts what they want to do. That's a nonsense.

>>715145482
Hard disagree. Time janny shit aside, I really like a lot of the expanded worldbuilding stuff they've done, especially in Rebirth. Republic of Junon, the Gi, expanded Wutai intrigue, etc.

>>715146169
That's true. Expecially due to all the influence they got from the fans.

>>715153347
Butchered epical moment.

>>715157113
Let's be honest: the radio towers has no reason to exists, other than a background element. Like the benches scattered around, in order to reconceive the concept of the Tent, in the original game. They should have considered the Tent item in a more reasonable way and let the player use the town inns more, like it was in the OG. Pratically the towns are useless, other than checking for new quests. All the items/armors/weapons they sell are already on the characters backpack. The item-creation part should have been different, with the possibility to produce buff and debuffs that was only achiavable in that way.

>>715158251

No, I have to say that Remake is not that bad, for it still keeps the "investigation thriller" part of the original game and the ambience are well conceived. Then there's people that doesn't like the new soundtracks, but it doesn't matter. I don't really like the new story changes they made in the old plotline, like Aerith not openly fall in love with Cloud, submerging Marlene with questions about him, for instance. But for the rest, there's some parts that was turned into an annoying pointless maze (like the one where you have to switch on the lamps), and that's ok. But for the rest it is not that bad.
In my opinion, the devs should have been more bold and turn it in a +18 game, with more realism, blood and in order to justify even potential sex scenes (like they did in FF16). Keeping the game for youngsters only ruined it, for the original story is a very serious one, not for Nicklodeons watchers.

>>715162457
Look how more epic this is

>>715159162
Play the original and avoid the Remakes. You only end up ruining your experience.

>>715145370
>more is good
This is unironically what FF7R lovers actually believe. They have no standards for quality, any additional bit of information is good. DISGUSTING

>>715157113
It wasn't to hide loading screens, people keep parroting it without using their eyes. There are long drawn out lever pulling animations with an unstoppable Red going to the other side to lower the bridge for you that only let you walk a few steps to a place you can already see and only spawns a couple of enemies. They do that shit because they think it's "cinematic." FF16 is full of it and it was a PS5 exclusive, the actual loading times in that game are blazing fast, and it still has all of the retarded slow squeeze through animations that got popular since The Last of Us. Maybe they started to hide loading, but the people who kept copying them were enchanted by the visuals, not the practical purpose.

>>715145539
>a game with heavy environmental themes
>sort of devolves into Sephiroth mummy issues
>let's change it for a modern audience
>ok now the major theme is fate
Wow that's much better, how original!

>>715159837
If you play the PC version, with the Seventh Heaven mods installed, it aged like fine wine. It's almost a what-all-asked-for remake of the original game.

>>715163195
decent bait

>>715163202
Not needed, if you think what was the vibes around this guy, in the original game.

>>715163364
The problem is not the fact that "adding" is bad per se, but the quality and the feeling that what is added have to give to the player, in order to not break the base concept. Some parts added are misplaced, while others are bad conceived.

>>715163661
Rebirth is more bad and with scarse quality compared with Remake. Maybe some of the town reconstruction can pass and be appealing, but all the rest they added, is just stupid and this because all the original feeling of the game has been lost. You're just there, roaming around with "your beloved FF7 characters", like someone wrote about the fact that the fans doesn't care about quality, but just to pass more time with their "beloved characters", but all the original feeling present in the OG plot has been almost lost, and this because the devs wanted to keep their foot in too much shoes at the same time.