Tell me why Wind Waker is the best Zelda without using nostalgia

>>715152319 (OP)
its not fortnite

I don't think I could come up with a reason even if you included nostalgia.

>>715152319 (OP)
It has heckin wholesome pigs.

It's fun

>>715152319 (OP)
It has literature influencing it.

Not even close to being the best Zelda, get a grip.

>>715152319 (OP)
>Tell me why Wind Waker is the best Zelda without using nostalgia
they coveted that wind, I suppose

>>715152319 (OP)
it's pretty mid as far as zelda goes. link feels like shit to control and the triforce quest sucks all of the fun out of the third act of the game

>>715154453
Right? ToTK is the only one worth playing.

>>715155385
>triforce quest sucks all of the fun out of the third act
skill issue. if you explore enough during earlier parts, triforce hunting reduced to almost nothing

>>715155595
it's still not fun

>>715152319 (OP)
it's not

>>715155651
literally the only good part of the treasure adventure game

>>715155595
You can’t explore during the earlier parts you’re railroaded until you get the master sword

It has a forced stealth section. Didn't you always want that in a Zelda game???

>_>

>>715157340
you can hit a few places when you're being shuffled along

>>715152319 (OP)
I- I.......... I can't?! I can't.... Anon... All this time I thought I loved Wind Waker but. But you've shown me the light! Thank you based OP. Thank you for this thread. Thank you for saving me from my ignorance.

>>715157748
other Zelda games have had stealth sections and nobody gave a single shit.

Everyone knows Twilight Princess is the best Zelda.

>>715152319 (OP)
It's visually my favourite in the series and it's version of Link is the only one I would refer to as a character. The idea of journeying across the open seas was great.

>>715158416
it was fine in oot and mm and literally never again. it doesn't help that this is a forced stealth section right after you get the sword and before you can do anything in the game

>>715158468
arguably the worst 3D zelda. the only redeeming factor is imp pussy

>>715160231
better than skyward sword and wind waker.

>>715160495
>skyward sword
it's about equal with skyward sword
>wind waker
wind waker is slightly better, but not by much

>>715159857
BOTW also had one. TP kind of did as well near the beginning. Skyward Sword had plenty with the trials

>>715160590
skyward sword may be the worst 3d zelda, but at least i've beaten it. i can say that i've dropped tears of the kingdom but i never had any real excitement for it like i did skyward sword

>>715152319 (OP)
>Tell me why Wind Waker is the best Zelda
I like the combat.
I like the sailing.
I like the character design.
I like the enemy design.
I like the boss fights.
I like the grappling hook.
I like the main locations.
I like finding treasure at sea.
etc

>>715152319 (OP)
I never bothered to finish it when I was a kid because I didn't really enjoy it. Sailing really just did not enthuse me.

>>715152319 (OP)
it's not, it's really bad, i don't know why anyone considers it as being one of the best
it has a very nice artstyle and atmosphere, but that's not enough to carry such a content-light, and poorly made game

>>715152319 (OP)
No one believes this and those who did already 41 percented

>>715152319 (OP)
It’s not the best, but it’s a good time. There isn’t much to look at on most of the islands, but the presentation and feeling of sailing around is very cozy in a weird way. Like reading a book near a lamp during a storm.

SPLLLUUUUUSH
KABOOM

>>715152319 (OP)
Was shit at the time and still shit. GC/Wii era killed Zelda.

Jackie Cha-shit

Ironically the art style is the only reason people like this game

>>715152319 (OP)
I do not think Wind Waker is the best Zelda. More like the second best, but it's still far ahead of Breath of the Wild, which is one of the worst Zelda games I have ever played.

>>715160734
skyward sword was such a fucking letdown. honestly one of the last games i genuinely had some hype for

>>715152319 (OP)
What mod is this?

If I could live on Windfall Island for my whole life I would. I wish climate change and rising sea levels were actually real for this reason

I fully recognize and acknowledge that Wind Waker is short, padded, and somewhat content anemic. In terms of items and dungeon mechanics, it is also not very complex or involved and doesn't move the formula much past what OoT and MM offered.

But honestly I find that I just don't care. I don't think I would ever say this about any other game, but Wind Waker is one of my favorite games based on an intangible vibe alone. Everything from the artstyle to the sound design I just find so fun and appealing, and while the majority of the ocean is empty space with a few islands good for only rupees, a heart piece, or a sidequest, I have never felt a sense of adventure quite like Wind Waker gave me when I played it first on Gamecube and even still to this day. Sailing around to that soundtrack, before I knew the map like the back of my hand and everything was new to discover... I genuinely have been coveting that wind ever since. I've played Sly 3's pirate chapter, I've played Black Flag, I've played Dredge, I've even tried playing Sea of Thieves solo (horrible experience), all just to try and capture that experience again and none have come close.

There are WIP mods and hacks to try to bring Hyrule to the surface and expand the landmass, but all I would ever want is just more to see on the Great Sea. There really is not a single experience in gaming even to this day remotely like what Wind Waker offers, as flawed as it is.

>>715161716
https://onthegreatsea.tumblr.com/post/136187446480/hypatias-alternate-ww-mods-texture-pack-1215

Take a shot every time someone says sense of adventure when talking about wind waker and wind waker in particular. They’re all adventure games but for some reason people like to say “sense of adventure” as a set phrase for this game. When did this meme start? You see the same thing for Metroid. People like to say “dread and isolation.” I just like exploring and getting cool power ups I have never felt dread playing Metroid

>>715152319 (OP)
It's not the best but it's not the worst. It's pretty good.
Really we should be encouraging Nintendo to try new things with their franchises.
Fanboyism in the form of people who scream and cry when the Zelda game is t just like the last one they played is what stagnates and kills franchises.

I want them to make a new side scroller Zelda like Zelda 2.

Fuck you.

>>715161937
Fanboyism is blindly accepting shit games just because they are called Zelda. Every Zelda since MM has been some flavor of disappointing.

>>715161906
Don't go into Fromslop threads then if you don't like mindlessly repeated phrases and platitudes

>>715161937
Isn't just like the last one*
This fucking phone...

It's the sense of freedom that you don't get with other video games

>>715161906
You're just autistic. Every Zelda is an "adventure" game, but seafaring has been one of the most significant aspects of real-world exploration and discovery while simultaneously being extremely and woefully underrepresented in gaming. When people talk about Wind Waker or even Pokemon Gen 3 giving them a sense of adventure over other games, it is because those games give you a large ocean to explore and discover things in, even if they are not significant in terms of gameplay.

If you want to play a game where you go on a high seas adventure, your options are startlingly limited and Wind Waker happens to both be one of those options and despite not being very good, also one of the best.

>>715161785
>I fully recognize and acknowledge that Wind Waker is short, padded, and somewhat content anemic. In terms of items and dungeon mechanics, it is also not very complex or involved and doesn't move the formula much past what OoT and MM offered.
But at the same time it doesn't shit on the formula it's trying to recreate like TP does, and it doesn't neglect the "second half pivot" like Majora's Mask does, so ultimately Wind Waker is the only true OoT-clone they ended up making.

Twilight Princess has a lot of the structurals down but it just can't tell its own story worth a damn. it starts from the wrong end, and gets Ganondorf's plot confusedly destroyed halfway through the game, and it feels even more segmented than OoT and Wind Waker do.

OoT, ALttP and Wind Waker are the only Zeldas that are like, "You clear 3 dungeons, then something majestic happens", and then after that is like "Now the context is different, and Link has to become the hero who can defeat the bad guy." and then it builds to a finale that cements the underlying themes of the adventure. In OoT's case the themes were Time and "Growing Up", and in WW's case it's about something similar, but where it's more about Tradition and how adults impose their own childhood's values unto children despite the context of those values being lost due to time.

TP on the other hand feels much less mature in its prose, and kinda ends up being a wishy washy story about "Responsibility" or something, but where Midna is the only character that really shines. Skyward Sword and the DS Zeldas, and Minish Cap, is where Zelda narratives became self-indulgently childish in their own worlds instead of having a narrative agenda.

Breath of the Wild is sort of in the same vein as Skyward Sword narratively, where there's more text than ever, but they're saying way less with it. And its insistence on the "Champions" is never earned.

>>715152319 (OP)
It had objectively great and very unique music. The style of the game is unique unique and very memorable, and gave you a very fresh take on enemies and environments you had seen in the franchise before in a way that still felt fitting. The protagonist despite not talking is still very likable due to how expressive his appearance is. The combat is fun, not the hardest game in the franchise but it isn’t a total pushover either. The story is fairly simple but it gives the player very clear and relatable motivation to leave his home to save his loving little sister, and it has some memorable moments in particular the last scene with ganondorf. The sailing and islands was also a very unique and interestng and innovative take on making an open world game overall a stellar entry in the series irregardless of nostalgia glasses

>>715162076
Only game I've been disappointed with was Twilight Princess.
There's no fucking energy in that game. I actively want to sleep while playing it.
I suspect because there was no energy or enthusiasm from the people who made it and that would make sense if it was made simply because people cried about windwaker being a bright cartoony game when they were hoping for something dark and gritty like a darker OOT or MM.

>>715161785
This. It's soulful and there's nothing else that's ever been made that is remotely like it.

>>715162498
i didn't like tp that much when i first played it, but i replayed it recently and i actually really liked the story, link being in love with the chick who doesn't even remember who he is, is a based story
the gameplay is simple and the dungeons aren't particularly complex but it works

>>715162294
Maybe if there was anything to actually discover in this shitty ocean but half the islands are triangles or one eyed two eyed reefs with two boats that don’t come close to being a threat.

>>715162913
TP's dungeons are the best part of it. The overworld is boring, the characters outside of Midna are forgettable, the Ganon plot sucks, and segments like the hunt for the sky map pieces are just needless busywork that deserve as much hate as WW's triforce hunt.

The dungeons though and especially Arbiter's Grounds are stellar if a little too long.

Grafix are timeless, characters are cute, story is sweet, side quests are funny, items are fun. I replayed recently and still loved it. Best Zelda, too.

>>715163582
The reefs and the three triangle islands combined make up 9 out of 49 tiles in the Great Sea. Out of those, the three triangle islands are important to progression so they are important to find.

6. 6 reefs. The rest of the islands either contain sidequests, optional content for Heart Pieces, are important for the Triforce Hunt, or contain either mini-dungeons or full story dungeons. They aren't incredible but it's disingenuous to pretend that half the islands are reefs.

I liked the water stuff and visiting islands on my own at a young age was fulfilling and fun.
I enjoy the Triforce hunt, too.

peak zeld

>>715164012
Oh sorry reefs, triangles, and then fuck off islands with jack shit