This is downloading. What am I in for?

Is it really the best poorfag MMORPG?

>playing MMOs in 202X

decent start and gameplay, story devolves into unironically the most woke shit possible, it would put to shame the most egregious of blizz trannies

>>715156227 (OP)
Unless you enjoy pvp fighting in battlegrounds forever it's one of the worst games ever made. The leveling experience is laughable, you just walk from pointless activity to pointless activity while rewards magically appear in your inventory. The endgame is no different. REMEMBER TO LOG IN EVERY DAY AND DO DA DAILIES! HAVE FUN!

The story is the biggest weak point, but the Gem shop is the best monetization system for a B2P I've ever seen.
The gameplay is serviceable and the level design is great. Do not listen to hyperboles, it's a perfectly fine game to jump into.

>>715156227 (OP)
>make new character
>level in first zone
>entire game is the exact same pacing from the get go

>>715157546
The cash shop is incredily greedy jew bullshit, inventory space, storage space is price gouged to fuck you will spend at least $500 on that shit
You're a fucking faggot shill, I bet you play Charr fucking furfag

>>715156227 (OP)
Complete 100% of the first zone before you spend money.

I'm serious. Find every point of interest, complete whatever jumping puzzle you have in your chosen starter zone, find every vista, fight the world boss, and get through every heart quest.

That's the whole damn game. It will not change.

If you like it, spend money.

If you don't, the game's not for you.

>>715157924
NTA but I've been playing this game for a decade and only bought like 5 bank tabs with ingame gold
If you buy bag slots with real cash and feel ripped off then you're fucking retarded

>>715156227 (OP)
It's serviceable for a one time pay and play game. I just never found a class that truly clicked with me.

>>715158123
Same, 3 characters slots, bags, two tabs of bank, storage 500 and never a single bill spent. It's a rather ingenious system to drain excess ingame gold from the economy.

>>715156227 (OP)
The base game and gameplay loop is...ok. If you like it, at least get through the Heart of Thorns expansion. I personally didn't care for anything beyond that and dropped the game. Be thankful if you never played the OG and don't feel the need to compare the two.

>>715156781
Its amazing how they took a dope setting that should write itself like fantasy vietnam and turned it lame and gay.

Play for an hour, realize the entire game plays like this except sometimes there are 80 other people auto attacking a world boss and sometimes there is a gay NPC telling you how evil being heterosexual is.

>>715158123
>>715158702
sounds good if you were there, sounds like shit for anyone new

>>715156227 (OP)
the best poorfag MMO is actually everquest II since you get 2 decades worth of content for free

>>715156227 (OP)
Good:
Decent combat
Voiced acted main story
Alive zones since it’s shard/instance based
Heart of Thrones expansion has some of the most amazing vertical zones in all of MMO
Cool world bosses
A lot to do
Can convert gold to paid currency for store skins

Bad:
It’s really really old
Story is hit or miss
No real end game in the traditional MMO sense
Third worlders on /v/ constantly bitch about “woke” deterring actual discussions
Entire region of black characters (yes I realize I just tried calling out people whining about woke but a whole region/expansion is still too ouch)

>>715159286
it was shit if you were there too

>>715159954
>wtf why is fantasy Africa full of black people

>>715156227 (OP)
Icebrood saga is good

Playing it and going through first expansion. Is a good game gameplay wise, race & profession design is well done, and story wise is acceptable (But looks like it will get worse, but the game having mediocre story is a fact almost all players both old & new agree), have horizontal progression so no need to get ascended armor to do raids & dungeons, and is an MMO with no subs and only need to buy expansions, with game store for cosmetics and some QoL things.
At least is better than World of Warcraft.

>>715159954
When the best thing you can say about a storyline is that there is voice acting, clearly its a little worse than just "hit or miss"

>>715156518
>playing MMOs

>>715159954
>Alive zones since it’s shard/instance based
That's a major point. You will never feel alone and you will never spend more than 3 minutes lying dead on the floor. You can't steal loot, xp or resources.

Real mandatory main quest.

>>715159954
Guild Wars: Nightfall is one of the very few games in existence inspired by any African mythos.

>>715160964
Are you retarded? It’s just a list of bullet points, I’m not doing a video essay to cover every kitttle detail on a 12 year old game while I’m sitting on the toilet at work
Fucking neck yourself zoomer

>>715161367
Anet has always been progressive, but EoD was fucking awful with how on the nose it was. Luckily they toned it down again afterwards

>>715161570
>calling others -oomers
>literally shitposting
Kill yourself, newfag nigger.

>>715156227 (OP)
>no controller support
How are you even supposed to play this slop without the most basic slop feature?

>>715156227 (OP)
beating up the bigot leftist humiliation rituals
wow won.

>>715156227 (OP)
I'm still salty when they released that first expansion they made it full price and made the base game free, giving no discount to anyone who had been playing

>>715159954
>Entire region of black characters (yes I realize I just tried calling out people whining about woke but a whole region/expansion is still too ouch)
bruh
its literally nightfall zones from gw1 which was liderally africa or something
its a complete desert part of the world and makes sense

>>715156227 (OP)
Its biggest strength is that it actually feels like an MMO. There's people everywhere on every map

>>715161882
bots more like

>>715161882
It still feels like you are just seeing ghost data of other players and occasionally come together to punch some world boss.

>>715161157
Yes. In the context of late 90s/early 00s it made sense. But it's a genre that should have died long ago.

>>715161991
Fractals where people don't talk are eerie.
But bots would play better than some.

>>715157924
People dont mind Black people in Fantasy Africa.
What they do dislike is Black people in Fantasy Europe and Asia in a world that has not yet made contact whit fantasy Africa or even worse has no fantasy Africa.

I think it's fun on occasion, but I've only done season 2 to end of dragons, steady decline past season 4.

>>715156227 (OP)
Abysmal dogshit

>Cosmetic endgame
>90% of the earnable in game armor looks like dogshit and all the good looking stuff is on the goy store

Jumping puzzles are fun.
I don’t know why but anything you do feels meaningless in GW2.

>>715162583
Season 4 really, really felt like the team figured they were done with the game, and they had something else planned, but then they got slapped by NCsoft and told to continue making content. The end of S4 is definitely the game's highest point story-wise. Definitely some good stuff afterwards though, Janthir Wilds for example is maximum comfy to explore and it actually has quite a bit of stuff to do in the maps that aren't just events.
>>715162793
The store stuff is the ugliest stuff, it's all glowy overdesigned shit meant to appeal to whales. The best-looking gear is the more muted stuff, like the racial gear.

>>715162805
Cause you almost never see a big BIG reward
Like getting your first epic in WoW or something

GW2 makes you feel like you’re always earning something no matter what you do, but once you get over that initial honeymoon phase you realize you really have to commit to getting something to get it over a long period of slow grinding and can’t just “beat x to get y”

>>715162805
Because you can't even get to the later levels of your STARTING ZONE before the forced level-scaling crops up. You never progress in power or strength.

>>715162583
I dont like the story in SotO, but it has a lot of good updates like no longer locking weapons to specializations for classes and all the shit they added for Skyscald

>>715163173
The bikini armors always sell well

>>715163178
I’ve been working on the entire gen 2 arsenal for a few years now. I have 5 more to go

>>715156227 (OP)
Eh, take care of starting zone stuff and go check out the jumping puzzles. That's it.

>>715156227 (OP)
The core gameplay mechanics are alright, it has a decent engine for an old game, pretty nice-looking set pieces. I wish the weapon/armor upgrade system was more streamlined and more like GW1 where it was easy to get max stats on gear. It's usually going to Zerkers or DPS talismans on your gear, there's no reason to do anything else in PVE.

I'd like if the skills had more of a "weight" to them, for me it feels like they're all samey with just different particle effects.

The story for the first game and maguma were decent, it really got off the rails when the baby dragon appeared. I didn't care for the characters nor understood what the fuck was going on most of the time in the later expansions, I was mainly just looking forward to exploring the zones and set pieces.

>>715163173
>>715163215
If I played more I'd get the expansions just for the features.
Housing and no weapon restrictions are both good stuff, and I assume the new elite specs are going to be tied to the next expansion, which is my only reason to be interested in it.

>>715156227 (OP)
why wouldy you play this garbage? wow is a better game in every single way.

>>715163173
>Janthir
>10/10 kodan zone, comfy, large plains to speed through and some verticality
>8/10 Synthri, you can feel the devastation and the ruins are cool lore
>3/10 fuck I forgot the name, awful map
>0/10 Bava Nisos what the fuck were they thinking, it's not even a fine meta map like Dragon's End or Dragon's Stand
I can't remember why I'm supposed to care about Mabon, who joined us for two missions in SotO.

>>715163983
lol

>>715163983

>>715164114
i don't think guild wars 2 of all games gets to laugh at anything for being more pozzed
>>715164116
so you're poor and brown? okay play gw2

I dropped this game years ago, spoiler me on how many of the dragons are still alive.

>>715164014
Literally the only thing Bava Nisos needed was an actual boss for the final meta event. The first half of the map with the three expedition events are fun, and the actual meta is pretty nice with gimmicks and shitty, but it just ends on a horrible wet fart. There's even that look into the realm of torment in the story mode, so it definitely feels like they wanted to have some kind of end boss, but either ran out of time or just couldn't come up with a good idea for one, and the endgame meta really suffers for it.

>>715164207
as many as the plot needs at any given point

>>715160329
no it fucking isn't

>>715164207
Literally just Aurene, the rest are dead, and Aurene has fucked off to find herself or sleep or something, I can't be assed to remember.

>>715164190
everyone gets to laugh at modern blizzard, especially the paypiggies still paying them.

>>715163856
> It's usually going to Zerkers or DPS talismans on your gear, there's no reason to do anything else in PVE.
If you want to use more specialized gear like for healing, you should get into fractals and strikes. There is no tanking option in the game, or at least no need for it

>>715156227 (OP)
most boring story imaginable, shit pvp, no real endgame but some fun locations and world bosses
although the bosses are more of a one time experience

>>715164374
so not me since i pay my sub via tokens
i accept your concession, poor

>>715162793
Nah, the gear is fine. People just have HORRENDOUS gear when you see what they run around in. But this is a common thing in MMOs, apparently. Whenever there are wings, school outfits or just neon colors people gravitate to those for some reason.

>>715162805
because the actual cool rewards are all locked behind massive ungodly grinds, 99% of the time a drop will just be a pile of green unidentifieds

>>715164496
lmao, still playing a blizzard game.

>>715164610
ANON GET DOWN
HE'S GOING TO CALL YOU POOR FOR A THIRD TIME LIKE IT WILL CAUSE YOU PHYSICAL PAIN IN MEATSPACE

>>715164334
What is the plot about now, then? As far as I remember the dragons dying would lead to a magic nuclear apocalypse or whataver. Is the player looking for the pet dragon now?

>>715157954
That's not entirely true. You'll also only get a taste of what is THE best mount system in the entire genre. And miss possibly one of the best expansions as well.

>>715164685
I don't think anyone really gives a shit about the plot anymore, including the writers

What's the gimmick for the next expansion?
I found the bears one better than the demons but I still fell off halfway through.

>>715156227 (OP)
It's Guild Wars 2 or Black Desert, what should I start /v/?

>>715164891
we'll see in five days. they've really been half-assing it with the last two "expansions" and justifying it by saying they're $5 cheaper. whoopeee.

>>715164949
They're pulling something similar again.

>return of elite specs
>but no new weapon
>you're getting part of the story in the expansion
>remaining parts will come later in updates

>>715164949
they're literally just repackaged LW seasons because NCSoft smacked them in the mouth for giving shit out for free

>>715164948
neither, play a good game instead

>>715164685
Aurene, our Pet Dragon is a prism that cleans magic and fucked off to parts unknown to do her air purifier job.
Secrets of the Obscure has the Commander deal with a top sekrit organisation and political turmoil in literal Demon lands.
Janthir Wilds is a trip to NotCanada, with New Titans corrupting shit.
Still hoping for more Largos / Tengu next expansions.

>>715164948
>both F2P
might as well try em both out for a day
if you somehow can't, BD is just grind, grind, and grind some more while looking flashy and sexy before the Korean MMO store incentives creep in

Why did they switch to the surrogate-MC style of writing? You know, when a writer doesn't know how to write for an MMO, so they insert a stand-in MC, like Saladman and Thrall.

Played GW1 recently and it made me appreciate how your character or party leader is the MC and voiced in the cinematics.

>>715165306
Because that way you avoid what ESO did where EVERYONE is somehow the chosen hero running around saving the world. Alongside every other player.

>>715165306
so they wouldn't have to pay the 10 Commander voice actors as much

Black Desert timer pauses the moment you log out so your farms encourage you to be a chink drone and leave the computer running to farm player count and electric bill

>>715164949
>we'll see in five days
I guess advertiser-kun was a bit early then

>>715165306
I love the idea of a nobody mmo MC, it's way more immersive when you see 100 other nobodies walking around, instead of 100 chosen ones.

>>715164948
BD has no meaningful PvE content in that traditional way. You're just farming groups of mobs. It's all about PvP. Which is funny because you could almost say the same for GW2.

>>715165459
Wasn't this how WoW started
The major characters in Warcraft 3 were the stars of the story and every player is just a footman of sorts

>>715164891
Someone's going to have a field day.

>>715165527
I never paid attention to the lore or story in wow (vanilla, 2004), I did my quests until I didn't feel like playing anymore.

>>715165629
>bringing back Paragon and Ritualist as elite specs
FUCK YOU

>>715165629
I always wanted more outright classes over elite specializations, but I have feeling ArenaNet regretted ever cracking that door open as they stopped after Revenant.

>>715156227 (OP)
The first two expansiona are amazing.

Heart of Thorns has the best forest i've seen in a game, at first you will be completely lost,but you will slowly learn how to navigate it.

Path of fire has a great mount system and the zones are fun to explore.

The rest of the game (including the base game) is pretty meh.

>>715165809
in theory. but each new elite spec will give players something they'll enjoy it for their already existing one. if a brand new class doesn't do it for you, you're fucked.

>>715165809
I've always wanted playable skritt

Guild Wars 1 is objectively superior in every way to gw2, even right now as a dead game. There is even a mercenary system so you can complete group content alone.

>>715156227 (OP)
its fun

>>715166218
GW1 is a very different game altogether despite sharing design ethos with GW2, like horizontal progression and shit.

>>715165809
Revenant was to fill the class gap. Vanilla had 3 light classes, 3 medium classes, and 2 heavy classes.
At this point you'll have to wait for gw3 for new classes, which they are definitely working on. This entire new expansion model was disguised as a better vehicle for content delivery, but allowed anet to siphon resources towards gw3

>>715166218
>Can't jump
Disqualified.

>>715156227 (OP)
>What am I in for?
the single worst mmorpg of all time bar none, enjoy your trannies, faggot

>>715163173
Problem with LW updates was they apparently kept rotating different teams and you could definitely tell. Some clear peaks and lows. Bringing back S1 was great, though.

>>715166218
Yeah and the tone was way more serious, better worldbuilding, more interesting characters. Hell I even remember the henchies who had more soul and character than the 10,000 lines of dialog faggots in GW2.

>>715166281
guh

>>715164948
a different game, or suckstart a shotgun instead, faggot

How does this game manage to be uglier than its predecessor

>>715166218
Grinding DoA with heroes get boring pretty quickly

>>715165809
revenant was originally going to be guardian's elite spec, but then the retards at niggernet decided to shit their pants

>>715167012
>bringing back Scarlet's Pile of Fuck was great

>>715164741
I used to play during Heart of Thorns but kinda just dropped the game. Is there a reasonable bundle or something for the rest of the expacs?

>>715167398
>he didn't like cabbage joker
win some, lose some

>>715156227 (OP)
I was so happy this game had Engineer as a class until I played it. Having to constantly swap around kits with their own individual cooldowns on skills is not my idea of a fun time.
Also their turrets look way too fucking dinky.

>>715167623
She and Trahearne were pretty much the worst aspect of the story early on.

>>715166281
>t3 cultural heavy with Aether greaves and gloves
I have the same thing on my fem-norn except I got lucky enough for the new hood that gives free hair dyes when you change it

>>715167623
It's less annoying now compared to when you were watching it develop in real time. No one liked the bitch, but Sylvari were a writers' pet at the time.

>>715167721
Engineer is unironically one of the best I’ve classes and a god send for fractal groups.
If you’re too dumb to swap weapon kits, just use mech.

>>715161157
It was great back in the old days for the sovl and atmosphere and the community. Nowadays, it just makes you feel bitter.

>>715166281
>even included the little connection piece by the navel meant for the T3 norn chest piece but kinda stupid and glitchy on any other armor set that you get on the T3 norn leggings
lmao

>>715164503
I've found armor to be pretty hit or miss. It's not like all the good shit is in the store only.

>>715168964
Whoever drew it has a sense of humor

>>715168964
I always just pretend it's a piercing.

>>715156227 (OP)
The combat is good. The story is trash. Enjoy yourself.
The devs are clearly putting the game into maintenance mode with less and less content, GW3 will come in the next few years.

they're announcing the next expansion next tuesday and have been teasing new elite specs all week long

>>715159954
>Decent combat
It's great for open-world and PvP, but terrible for dungeons and raids. Every "rotation" boils down to "press all your buttons, switch weapon, press all your buttons, switch weapon, repeat".

>Additional bads:
- It runs like shit whenever there are more than 20 characters on screen. It runs a lot better since they switched to DX11, but it's still not great.
- Inventory management is a nightmare because they want you to buy additional inventory slots, the unlimited salvage kit and so on from the cash shop. And even if you do, inventory management is still awful.
- No native controller support. I want to play on Steam Deck, ArenaNet please...

>Additional goods:
- The best mounts in MMO and it's not even remotely close.

Is there any chance of a GW3 happening? The MMO market desperately needs a new and fresh contender. WoW is beyond ancient, FF14 went to absolute shit, GW2 kinda been there and done that already, don't feel like getting back into it but if a new one came out I'd definitely play it.

>>715169632
everyone assumes devs are already working on it. which would explain anemic expansions.

>>715169632
>GW3
Yes. It's all but been confirmed at this point.

>>715156227 (OP)
you are in for being late to the party
even if you play HoT and PoF, the monsters, specs and just players in general have changed so much
anything from EoD is just playing with a rotting festering corpse

>>715156227 (OP)
trash writing, trash gameplay, original guildwars is a superior experience in every way and this just shows why all the original developers left during the making of this travesty.

Black desert is a better game by a larger margin, but that isn’t saying much. Overall I think the only relevant MMO currently is Final Fantasy, or emulating something older. It feels like an always online singleplayer game, but everything else competing feels worse…

you're better off just playing GW1

>>715169632
Whatever the next Guild Wars is, it's probably closer than most people think. They've been hiring for an "unannounced project" like crazy for the past 4 years and have even filled positions like head of publishing and marketing director late last year, which to me implies it's getting within a year or so of announcement. It's almost definitely in the Guild Wars franchise, but MMO and Massively Multiplayer hasn't been mentioned in a ton of the job postings so it may not be an MMO.

>>715164503
the problem is that the devs are serving the needs of those tasteless sparking winged retards fucks because they are the ones spending money, and 70% of all armor pieces and weapons are trash, especially store bought ones

>>715169510
doesn't matter when the game itself is shit to begin with

>>715169632
assuming niggernet can survive long enough to release it, yes
keep in mind it's going to be an unstraight troongine mobile idler gachaslop though

>>715157073
>The leveling experience is laughable, you just walk from pointless activity to pointless activity while rewards magically appear in your inventor
that's every mmo

>>715170359
>this is what guild trannies unironically think
no wonder they play a shit game

>>715169632
ArenaNet have no amanged to successfully release a single project outside of Expansions since GW2 launched, despite trying multiple times and letting GW2 suffer for it.
They are theoretically working on GW3 now, but I expect it to be canned due to incompetence or MMOs basically being a dead genre.

You'll find that everything becomes homogenous end game. Gear in this game is only worth farming to look cool. Fractals are a joke of a dungeon/raid system that barely adds any power to your character. Most if not all classes have a 1-shot build with the right runes. This is mainly a waifu simulator with the occasional interesting jump puzzle.

>t. played first month on release

>>715171031
You say that like it's a problem. Feel free to play any other MMORPG if you to constantly grind for new gear every patch. GW2 players have GW2.

>>715156227 (OP)
woke garbage, play the first game

>>715159954
>Heart of Thrones expansion has some of the most amazing vertical zones in all of MMO
lol
lmao
I call it the skip expansion and good thing you can skip it with mounts because its fucking garbage

>>715165629
>ritualist back

no fucking way
NO FUCKING WAY

>>715171086
Fundamentally what makes up an MMO (and really any game) are Story, Graphics, Gameplay, and Community. The story in this game is frankly mid seeming like it's tacked on killing off key figures randomly to add surprise. Graphics are really the main selling point for this game and I would argue it's probably top 3 best MMOs in terms of look and design. The gameplay however takes away from this what based on what anon >>715171401
said. GW1 pvp was known for its skill based combat with each class having a unique feel. If EVERY class can be tanky, can heal, and do burst damage, then the classes simply aren't different outside of looks. The community has only gotten smaller for this game and while pretty much everyone is friendly because of the "wokeness" pushed on this game there's little to no room to be toxic and add some element of unfamiliarity. If >>715156227 (OP)
wants a GOOD MMO to play they should consider WoW Classic, OSRS, ESO, Tera, or SWTOR

>>715171484
I never finished HoT map completion before Skyscale. Tangled Depths is outright unholy and cruel

>>715156227 (OP)
Best mmo on the market right now besides the story being pretty bad in the most recent expansions. It has a true mmo endgame where you can play forever and always have something to do or a goal to accomplish. Besides having to buy expansions with money, gold is extremely easy to farm yourself to buy cash shop items through conversion. Has the best mount system in gaming, not just mmos. Fully voiced story is great if you're into it but a slog if you aren't since you can't skip. If all mmos adopted gw2's horizontal end game progression system, the world would be a better place.

>>715156227 (OP)
did you enjoy GW1? then you won't enjoy GW2

>>715156227 (OP)
I downloaded it 2 days ago too but haven't started it yet.

We'll see but it kind of seems hard to imagine anything beating the ffxiv free trial as the poorfag mmo of choice.

>>715171031
I think one of best thing they did was making classes able to dabble in boonheal/boondps rather than what we had back in 2016-era where every fractal group was Druid, chrono, banner warrior, and 2 dragon hunters

>>715172712
GW1 is an arpg intended to always have a full group
GW2 is an MMO you can play solo or with a group.
They’re fundamentally different, and there’s nothing to do in GW1 unless you’re a veteran player who wants to grind DoA or FoW till you fall asleep

Trahearne sounded too close to Nazeem and all I could hear while he talked was the cloud district

>>715172635
Forgot to add that you can play any class with any spec, with combination of weapons, with any combination of traits, and have fun. Since this isn't a raiding game you aren't required to play some metafag build to have fun and deal damage. The true metafag dps builds are very complex to play and you can reach 80% of those spec's dps by playing an optimized 1 button build.

>>715172557
whoever made tangled depths should be beheaded repeatedly in hell

>>715174046
Same with whoever came up with Silent Surf. Every fucking time it shows up in the fractal rotation for dailies or recs, it stays around for 3 or 4 days. It is truly bullshit

>>715156227 (OP)
>Good mmo if you want to just solo shit
>Best mmo if you like to explore imo
>All maps feel alive
>Story is so-so to shit (But I did enjoy the Charr genocide saga)
>Mounts are really fun
>Like any other mmo it will get a bit stale but you can squeeze a lot of time before that

joko > emet

>>715174261
Why do people say this? Is it a t4 thing? I find silent surf way more enjoyable than the underwater one or the boring urban battleground

>>715156227 (OP)
just play Guild Wars 1

>>715174837
because they play power dps instead of condi

>>715159954
>if you complain about troons you're a third worlder!!!
bold strategy, let's see how it plays out

>>715159954
>Decent combat
It fucking sucks compared the build-depth of 1
>A lot to do
There is, but it's extremely repetitive
>Bad, it's old
Faggot
>Story is hit or miss
It straight up sucks dick
>Entire region of Africa is too much
Guild wars, and nightfall, might be the only game to ever do fantasy Africa and not make it woke (at least in gww1) and do it right too (the faggot kormir not withstanding).

Whats the ideal place to get GW1?

>>715156781
Is it really that bad after the starting zones?
Seemed decent at the start, hard to believe is it worse than current day blizzard

>>715175671
in your dreams. its an old ugly game, let it go.

wasn't black desert free a few days ago? it's a lot better, if you picked it up

>>715175813
nice bait

>>715175671
ArenaNet's official Guild Wars store.
Honestly always standalone if it's an option.

>>715174837
It’s just an obstacle course till you get to Kanaxai. I use condi damage for him and Eparch since they have you constantly running around, but I just wish they didn’t take so long to die compared to other fractal bosses

>>715175671
>>715176043
just note that Anet's servers are capped at 500 kb/s DL so you need like 2h to get all 4GB

the biggest problem guild wars 2 has is that it followed up on the best instance based coop RPG ever made so it was always gonna piss off old fans

then they started trying to pander to wow fags with raids and it failed horribly because guild wars 2 somehow solidified itself as "le comfy mmo for busy dads" and don't ask me how that happened so they moved away from hardcore shit and now just do yearly small expansions to just keep whatever players they have somewhat busy, but I just hate everything about the model...from the time gating to the 2 billion map currencies you have to farm by camping in that specific expansion map and to events over and over and over and over again

and dont get me started on grinding mastery points and hiding some of them behind awful achievements, when the game released you were free to do ANYTHING you wanted to raise your level, now you gotta do super specific checkboard shit if you want to get all the masteries and it just doesn't sit well with me

>>715161608
>demon are innocent angel that love cute stuff!!!
Go shove a pineapple up you ass

>>715175754
Greatly over exaggerated. There’s a part in the EoD story where you “beat up the bigot” that lasts like a minute. Angel McCoy, the woman who came up with the Sylvari, fucked off after HoT.
SotO is really fucking bland and heavily padded with “go do open world shit”, but nothing that should offend you

>>715161817
It's mix with arabs and Mediterraneans, not wakada

>>715176212
I know right? Instead of doing all those mmo things I'd rather raidlog in wow and ff14 instead!

>>715176372
>go do open world shit
That woldn't offend me
Shit like tranny mental illness and picrel would make me not want to touch it tho

1,9k hours here, game is decent, full of wokies and woke trash, but game itself is kinda fine, story is meh to woke shit tier, even vanilla offers meta events that are populated, getting skyscale before trash expansion was fun.

>>715176372
Fuck you, shill for lying

>>715176602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTiwKvp348
That faggot is a retard

>>715156227 (OP)
last time I played some settra wannabe was eaten by a baby dragon

>>715176526
you said that not me, cringeola

>>715165629
>Paragon is back
Fuck! FUCK! Now I HAVE to buy it!

>>715166158
Anon, most players since the beginning wanted Tengu to be playable (Dominions of the Winds was tought to be accesible and be Tengu start area), and even ArenaNet tought of putting them at development. But they backtracked, and 5 expansions later, still no Tengu. Making voice lines for main game+expansion might be too much to be fair...but either use AI or make them like a premium race that doesnt need to do the earlier expansions main history.
But Anet is lazy as shit, and prefer doing the bare minimun. If Tengu are not playable, do you expect shitty small ratmen to be playable?
If there will be a Guild War 3, there has to be Tengu or I will reject GW3.

>>715176965
Yep, I'm not touching this shit. I was willing to buy all xpacs at oncd, but I'm simply NOT giving a single cent to leftist parasites. I hope they shutdown.
Back to LOTRO for me.

>>715177464
I think the problem is ANet is stuck on "every new race needs an extensive Personal Story" when there's absolutely no reason for it.

>>715176212
All they had to do was make Guild Wars 1 but better, they had all the examples and evidence of what worked and what didn't in front of them. They discarded all that in favor of the action combat memes and leftists in the story writing department that wrote a stupid themepark that compelled no thought from anyone and hired people to make GW 2 that had not ever played the original game.

>>715156227 (OP)
Albion Online is the only good MMORPG. Come home white man.

>>715176965
>mmo players when they encounter a story
>instantly skip all cutscenes and dialogue
>mmo players when they encounter a story with polshit
>WATCH EVERY CUTSCENE READ EVERY LINE OF DIALOGUE SCRUTINIZE EVERY CONVERSATION SCREESHOT AND LOG EVERY TEXTBOX

>>715177869
i tried playing albion and had fun for like a week before i realized the only way to even get into the midgame is to spend 50 hours grinding tier 3 materials before walking into a mandatory pvp zone and getting everything stolen

>>715177762
>All they had to do was make Guild Wars 1 but better
Many games should have done original, but better. Then they shat the bed.

>>715177914
It's all obviously disingenuous and exaggerated. If that's enough to take someone out of a game than I really don't want to to say.

>>715177914

>>715177947
You shouldn't use your best gear in PvP zones. You can get rich doing content in those zones with cheap gear. I'm sure there are guides on youtube.

>>715177914
>we only gave you a little bit of cancer, why are you so upset, be grateful we didn't give you stage 3 cancer!
Fuck off.

>>715178163
Kill yourself faggot. Literally no one cared about mmo stories until that ff14 trash became popular. Nobody cared or watched or read stories in mmos and that would still be the case if 14 didn't exist.

>>715177914
Fuck you brownshit tranny
I will not tolerate niggers and subversion in my entertainment

>>715178396
You don't even play GW2, anon. Be honest.

>>715176485
???

>>715177708
>I think the problem is ANet is stuck on "every new race needs an extensive Personal Story" when there's absolutely no reason for it.
But that is not a problem at all. GW2 plot is not that good, but playing Personal Story with the race you want is a good thing.
But if Anet is too lazy to pay extra for voice actors to redo the game plot but different voice (or use AI-voice generator), then might as well try to do as Wow did with Death Knight: Starting at higher/max level and directly join current expansion, with negatives would be no earlier game reward.

This might but possibly will not happen knowing ANet, so only chance of Tengu or any new race will be GW3.

>>715178556
I genuinely don't think it's a VA matter. All stories converge when you become the Commander anyway. Starting at lvl 40 when you join one of the factions would make the most sense. It's probably a matter of rigging and models.

>>715164741
everyone is using dragons

>next gw2 expansion
>add new race
>make it a loli race like elins
There I just saved your game and made you an insane amount of money for the next 10 years. No need to thank me anet.

>>715178718
>It's probably a matter of rigging and models.
Cant be that because Charr & Tengu have very similar bodies & animations, and its not a perfectionism thing, with how some Charr clothes have clapping issues since long.

>>715178907
It only took them fucking YEARS to solve some of Charr armor clipping.

>>715172712
no one played guild tranny 1

>>715178892
Didn't save Tera though

>>715178556
I play a Tengu, dont know what your Problem is.

>>715178892
Fuck off pervert, dont blame the game because you cant fap to Asura or consider even the youngest playable human "old".
>>715178958
And people still played the game as Charr since release. This happening to Tengu wouldnt be that serious to impede Tengu or any non-human race be playable.

>>715168964
Onigiri manko

>>715178450
no one does

>>715156227 (OP)
I like it, always come back to it over the years, probably wouldn't if there was a subscription however. It's been going down the shitter recently, but the good thing about the game is that the old content is evergreen so it's not as big of a deal as for example new WoW expansions being shit

>>715156227 (OP)
Thing with GW2 is you're gonna burn out like a motherfucker if you try playing it like a typical MMORPG. Just because the game doesn't require grind doesn't mean there ISN'T grinding in, and when you tackle it thinking it's a mandatory end-game aspect you'll want to blow your brains out.

>>715178892
>saved your game

>>715179643
>Crafting a legendary for the first time

>>715179723
>survives on consoles
HOW? WHY?

>>715179758
>mfw playing since launch and still not a single crafted legendary weapon
>mfw no face

>>715178384
>everyone else was an illiterate shitskin, just like me

>>715175754
It wont take you long before you start skipping story so don't worry, it gets bad at one point and then it stops when the trend was over. But overall the story is so bad that I think it might have actually hurt the game, as the game itself might be one of the bets MMOs.

>>715167767
I never understood the hate for Trahearne. Was it really just because he was in a pretty important role too? Are people really so petty that they dislike sharing the spotlight with a pretty inoffensive NPC?

>>715156227 (OP)
>Is it really the best poorfag MMORPG?
Just play genshit impact

>>715179835
contractual agreements I have to assume

Very comfy game. I love the super casul open world shit and finding reasons to whip around on the roller beetle or griffon between or during events etc. I also dig that when you're doing a "meta train" or whatever there's a bit of downtime between each meta-event to shitpost, grab a drink, etc. I wish I still had a good WvW guild because I liked the large scale zerg battles a lot too.

>>715167623
Literally the peak of the entire fucking game.

>>715178892
That would feel very desperate and would likely put people off, there are enough chinese mmos like that we don't need existing ones turning into another

>>715177762
I don't understand why people even compare these games when the first game is completely fucking different. Additionally, GW1 is niche as fuck and plays like shit, I like it, but comparing them is retarded.

>>715179851
do you not have access to the wizards vault? every two vault refreshes you can craft one legendary literally for free(provided you have a gift of exploration and a gift of battle from the wvw reward track)

>>715179998
>It wont take you long before you start skipping story so don't worry
The thing is, most is not skippable. You get force feed with bullshit writing and woketrash.

>>715180559
>gift of exploration
Mostly because of this, I have not done core Tyria world completion a single time.

>>715180449
Same type of people who were shitting their pants about how mounts would ruin gw2 forever. Their default state of existance is complaining.

>>715180449
>when the first game is completely fucking different.
And that was the problem. The market was oversaturated with games like GW 2 at the time with Blade and Soul (also published by Nexon, causing them to cut things out of GW 2 to avoid having two products competing with themselves), Tera and Black Desert Online and action combat elements that WoW at the time had been developing with the release of a Monk class. There is no other game like GW 1, it was a unique niche Arena Net had carved out for themselves, became dominant in, found their audience in and then subsequently abandoned. That was the height of folly, they had something that companies would murder to have and they abandoned it for no reason other than idiotic mass market appeal. So they made a game that the old fans despised and not something that was popular enough to attract plenty of new players.

>>715176965
>NPC that doesn’t affect the story and you have to go out of your way to find
The only way you can find them is running towards the fractal portal in Lion’s Arch and doing a complete 180 after you get down the stairs
You are purposely going out of your way to piss yourself off

>>715180874
Why is that npc there in the first place? How about making a good game instead of inserting dogshit idpol virtue signalling into it? That dev time could have been spent doing literally anything other than this.

>>715180748
understandable, shit's dreadful

>>715180985
Because Teddy Ngyuen wanted to add it to the game. You have no reason to talk to them and have to go looking for them.
You sound like an incredibly miserable and really unserious person if you are this dedicated to making yourself mad.

>>715180798
>Not popular enough to attract plenty of new players

Isn't GW2 doing pretty well, though?

>>715180985
>Writing a few lines of text
>Dev time

>>715181306
I think it has a core audience and that’s it. I dont really see that many new people getting into the game

>>715180000

He does nothing but handed everything. Even in the sylvari story, he took credit of recovering caladbolg, and this is amplified when you meet with the pale tree later in the story. If you don't play sylvari, he comes out of no where. Everyone talks about how great he was but does nothing to justified it. Apple charr talkabout how he has no friend and youre his bestest friend, and then the story add in the salad and apple charr say traherneis his bestest friend. Your menotr die and tge salad took over.. He over took YOUR personal story as his. You did his Wyld Hunt for him. He was shit in running the Pact (ignore a giant pirate invasion that destroy LA but lead the Pact without scouts and have the Pact destroyed). He suck personality wise and as a fighter. He couldn't command anything right. He and Scarlet are what set how badly the story of GW 2 is

>>715180793
mounts DID ruin the game forever, fucking retard

>>715181306
5k online, counting bots
I wouldn't say so.

>>715181265
So your response to my questioning as to why the game is bad and contains political messaging is "deal with it" and then an attempt to assassinate my character. This isn't how you retain loyal customers, they really aren't sending their best, are they?

>>715180748
You could probably do it in under a week with mounts if you really wanted to, but gen 2 legendaries look so much better than gen 1’s that I dont bother with Core Tyria completion anymore

>>715181519
boohoo you have less waypoints to unlock now

>>715180798
nexon has nothing to do with gw2 whatsoever

>>715181536
My response is that you literally have no reason to go looking for that NOC and it has no affect on the story at all you disingenuous clown. It’s such a bad faith argument and pathetically obvious that you just want an excuse to get mad

>>715176602

>>715181519
>normal mmo player
>gw2 has the greatest mount system in mmos
>person obsessed with gw1 but doesn't play gw1 or 2
>mounts ruined gw2 forever!

>>715181625
Yeah, I misspoke there, it was Ncsoft, not Nexon. I still pointed it out correctly that Blade and Soul was also published by NCsoft at the time and the lack of Cantha and the Canthan district being nuked from Lion's Arch was attributed by the developers of GW 2 to not wanting it to compete with the product of NCsoft that featured oriental themes. I had it confused with role of Nexon in regards to financial consultants being hired by the developers of GW 2 to manage microtransactions. It had been over a decade by now after all.

>>715181728
Sounds to me like you're the one getting mad I made fun of your gender change self-insert and the politics behind it.

>>715181306
you ever met anyone who plays it?
neither have i
meanwhile i've met people who play wow, ff14, dfo, maplestory, osrs, warframe, destiny 2, path of exile, hell even realm of the mad god, basically everything out there, but yet i've NEVER met a single solitary person who has said "i play guild wars 2"
i wouldn't say that's doing good at all

>>715181536
>5k online, counting bots
Only a small percentage of the playerbase play it through steam

>>715165629
>emergency memberberries
dont buy the new expansion and we will get assassin and dervish next

>>715182010
Sounds to me like you suck at arguing and just stick to bad faith rhetoric. You clearly dont play the game and don’t want to.

>>715181306
dont know, do they?

>>715181536
>>715182025
Like with FF14 this is a case where you can't look at Steam player count for anything. You can't transfer your non-Steam account to Steam so everyone who played it before through the client just kept playing it that way.

>>715182243
You can get your regular account on steam. I have my account linked to steam cuz I play it on deck sometimes
Engineer can be played with a controller very easily

>>715182243
what you mean is you can't mix and match purchases from arena net and steam. you CAN use an existing with -provider Portal in the shortcut.

>>715182396
>Engineer can be played with a controller very easily
I really wish they had official controller support for the whole game. Apparently some former dev was working on controller support as a side project and had it in a pretty good spot but left the company before he finished it. I'd play a ton more if I could comfortably do everything I need to on controller.

>>715178384
>nobody cared about not wanting wokeshit in their games until ff14
Based FF14?

>>715182620
>I really wish they had official controller support for the whole game.
It's not like you can't play the game with a gamepad without official support, anon.

>>715182186
There's no argument in favor of putting real life political shit into videogames that would sound reasonable to anyone who isn't an obsessed leftist like you. You should stay away from videogames. I played the game, but I quit it due to financial decisions of NCsoft and absolute disrespect they had shown to me as a customer.

>>715156227 (OP)
Flashbacks.

>>715182620
I had a great controller profile set up on steam big picture mode but one day it disappeared for some reason and cba making it again

>>715183063
>now works as AI Content Quality Manager at Amazon

>>715183208
>went from white man's property to pajeet property
Probably loves it too.

>>715182992
Nigger, you’re the one getting pissed off. Nobody cares but you. You have to look for that NPC. It is placed in a spot you have no reason to ever go to.
Find something that matters to be pissed about like Dear Leader saying Epstein didn’t kill himself and that he wasn’t black mailing anyone or 200 people dead in Texas

>>715183312
This is a thread about Guidl Wars 2, not American politics. I will talk about Guild Wars 2 in it.

>>715183312
>it's ok to have poz chud you don't even notice it unless you pay attention

>>715182714
actually, you inherently can't no matter what, because of the way the game is designed
you're welcome to try, but much smarter much more capable people than you already have

>>715183312
That NPC is opposite of the bridge taking you up to the fractal portal in Lion's Arch. It is a hotspot of player activity.

>>715175754
OG player here
After treehern the faggot OC and the handling of the post game to chase a bag for a new game that was DoA just to crawl back because they failed.
Fuck them and fuck the fat ugly bitches that butchered the lore with faggot OCs, it only got worse from here.
That zombie dragon was also gay and fucking lame while completely raping the lore.

>>715183425
If you want to be upset about something you'll find a reason to be. I'm surprised you people haven't brought up the lesbian couple yet or that crippled asura riding around in a golem.

>>715183312
>Oh yeah but what drumpf???
typical gw2 charr playing leftist troon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxb-anRWHrA
gw2 launch was mmo kino.

>>715183669
You are the one upset that people are criticizing something, though.

>>715183416
Bro, you started it.
>>715183518
You have to drop off the ledge leading to the fractal portal and do a complete 180 degree turn to find this NPC. It is specifically out of your way from doing anything and going anywhere. You are intentionally looking for things to piss you off

>>715156227 (OP)
this anon >>715159954 gives a pretty good list
ive been playing since beta
one thing i love and that makes me come back to GW2 is the fact that it like other MMOs where if you stop playing for some you gotta re-learn the entire game, grind new gear, etc
it really is great for scratching that MMO itch because I can just log in to any of my characters and play the same build with the same talents and still complete dungeons/fractals, raids/stikes and world events
ie its a purely fun driven gameplay
no need to mindlessly fucking grind RNG gear and shitty materials for endless progression
you play it because you enjoy it
also love me Tarir meta event

>>715183741
This was within the context of Guild Wars 2 and what made it worse and in general a game not worth playing in addition to many gameplay issues I had like power rezzing in WvWvW.

I just don't like the way the game looks

>>715183796
>the fact that it ISN'T like other MMOs
typo

>>715181447
/thread
That faggot killed what would have been a decent mmo story mode and it was written by retarded fat bitch

>>715183312
Don't want woke garbage in my game simple as.

>>715164503
It’s but only like one of these sets look decent, can you even dye these?

>>715169158
based harem

>>715183902
You don’t have any reason to talk to them and have to go out of your way to find them
It’s obvious you don’t play it all. Go be mad about something important

>>715184095
Do not care. Did not ask.
Do not want woke shit in my game. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

>>715183819
>An NPC I have no reason to find or talk to ruined the game as much as players using intentionally cheesy mechanics in PvP settings
Cool, bro. Your priorities are totally valid and you don’t sound like a retard arguing in bad faith one bit

>>715184095
It's funny because people who don't play immediately expose themselves. You can talk to practically every NPC in GW2 and they have something to say. This isn't even unique case of giving dialog to a random character.

>>71518409
It's a game I paid money for and regrettably missed my refund window. You are not the arbiter of what is and is not important and your attempts at shouting down critique are laughable.
>them
It's a man, baby.

>Why are you complaining? It's just Nazi support on an out of the way NPC you don't have to talk to?

>>715184184
Cool. Go play something else then. I do fractals almost daily and haven’t seen that NPC since it was added because there’s no fucking reason to turn around when you’re going to the fractal portal

>>715178450
I don't. I'm >>715177616
I was a potential new player with a MMO itch and lots of disposable income

>>715184095
it's not out of the way at all, and it being "out of the way" (according to your faggot pilpulling kike ass) doesn't make it acceptable, it's still wokenigger bullshit that needs to be killed in a fire, along with (((you)))

@715184309
>Well what about bad faith argument
No u for you

>>715184318
I will. You continue to fund pozslop and get defensive about it LOL.

>>715183063
>howling maenad
>being proud of being a chaff unit from dominions

>>715177708
they can do something like WoW did with DKs and have Tengu start at like level 50 and just have a short introduction storyline and then they can do whatever the fuck

>>715184403
How is it a bad faith argument, hm?
Come on, explain it buddy boy.

>>715184373
It literally is. If you’re running towards the fractal portal (let’s be real on a mount), you’re going to jump way past this NPC and land in front of the portal. There is no other reason to visit that part of Lion’s Arch. You have to turn around and run to them. You are doing it to yourself at this point
Also, only a small portion of the players even do fractals. Like 3 or 4 percent

>>715184403
>get no u'd
>get ass blasted
it's literally the same thing
why is your political propaganda le fine and ignorable but not nazi? You won't respond because you cant, you got intellectually checkmated

>>715184425
You don’t play games at all. You look for shit that pisses you off and complain on 4chan.org/v/

>>715184095
Bro they don't even deserve a reply. I've been playing gw2 for years and I've never talked to random npcs. The only time I ever did was in lws4 cause it was funny seeing them suffer being tortured by joko. They 100% don't play the game.

>>715184670
>I almost died and now I use magic to feel comfortable with myself
>Gas the Jews! Race war now! Hang niggers from trees!
If you think these are the same, I really don’t want to spend anymore time talking with you cuz you are a fucking retard incapable of holding a real conversation You choose to hyper fixate on an NPC that has no bearing on the story and you have to go out of you way to be locate in a game you clearly don’t play. Find something else to do

>>715184902
Talk about bad faith arguments, wow. Do you seriously believe that hatred of jews is a core component of national socialism as a political movement?

>>715184902
Oh, so now it's no longer about you judging that being principially oppposed to something in a game regardless of how prevalent and in your face it is is silly.
Now you're actually making it about "but if I find this thing morally bad, ANY amount of it in the game, no matter how visible, is unacceptable."
Curious!

Post Asuras, faggots.

>>715164114
KEK what the fuck

>>715184902
That is a strawman argument
You literally can't argue why nazi propaganda is bad without logical fallacies
Lmao the absolute state of you, why do you even dislike nazis if you don't even understand yourself why they're le heckin badderino?

>>715182105
>Assassin
Uh.

>>715184902
No, but it's only a little bit of Nazism on a single NPC you have to go out of your way to look at. Why is that bad? Just ignore it and play the game, right?

>>715184590
it literally isn't it's literally 2 steps from one of the most majorly used waypoints in the game, fuck off already you lying heeb

>>715185012
>>715185069
>2 niggas in a thread about a game they don't play to argue about politics instead of vidya
The state of this board is dire

>>715185302
I accept your concession.

>>715185302
>deflection

>>715185201
You comparing it to Nazi propaganda is a bad faith argument.
I dislike all authoritarian bootlicking cowards

>>715180874
>go out of your way to find
>you will see their dialogue on a loop if you stand near the fractal portal
You are lying.

Good thing I dropped this game before HoT released because now I have only good memories of it. Had a lot of fun, did a lot of grinding, ran WvW with my guild and quit when HoT was shaping up to be garbage. Gandara best server, Desolation can suck it.

>>715185364
>my political ideology propaganda: good
>your political ideology propaganda: bad

>>715180000
He appears from fucking nowhere and becomes lettucejesus

>>715185298
It literally is and again, you have 0 reason to go looking for this NPC
Yeah, bro. I think teannies are annoying. You are still a deeply unserious and an easily distracted fool if you choose to focus on that instead of the president covering up for pedophiles he was involved with

>>715185456
>Gandara best server, Desolation can suck it.
servers doesnt exist anymore

>>715184902
Lmao you got your neovagina split open so hard.

>>715185364
That's ironic since your only reason for disliking nazis seems to be that they're not on "your side" as you are completely unable to articulate why they were bad
You are not as smart as you think you are.

>Ignore that anon that game is a giant pile of shit
> go play and eat this shit, trust me it good!

>entire main plot coming over from GW1 was about the dragons
>They basically do nothing with this for most of the story and just decide to kill the remaining dragons in a lame cutscene

>>715182714
Dealing with inventory management and other UI stuff isn't comfortable on controller.
>>715183796
>also love me Tarir meta event
I'll never forget stumbling upon this shit about to pop off on my way through HoT casually a few years ago. I really love GW2's open world event design, lot of really fucking cool bosses and stuff.

>>715185364
>I find this propaganda and ideology transgressive and morally impermissible, so I don't want it represented in a product I pay for in any way, shape or form in any quantity.
>That's so silly lol you barely see it and you have to go out of your way and it's only a singular NPC stop being so overly fussy and involved with minor--
>Okay, so what if it's Nazism?
>UHH OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE THAT IN A GAME. THAT'S MORALLY IMPERMISSIBLE!
Thanks for being such a retard.

>>715185561
no one is going looking for it nigger, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT THERE NOT TWO FUCKING STEPS FROM THE WP YOU FAGGOT KIKE

>>715156227 (OP)
Great honeymoon period but once you realize how shallow and surface level everything about the game is you'll either stop playing or discover you like that

Also the actual worst "toxic positivity" community in MMOs.

>>715156227 (OP)
>Is it really the best poorfag MMORPG?

no. It's OLDDDDDDDDDDDD as fuck. You're better off downloading genshin impact or wuthering waves.

>>715185213
that's a ritual dagger, and the chinese twitter talks about rituals

>>715185793
What makes gw2's open world design good isn't necessarily the event itself, but the fact that they have been able to incentivize players to do them even though it's from a years old expansion. The fact that almost all events from all expansions can fill a 50 man group shows great game design.

>>715185887
>Also the actual worst "toxic positivity" community in MMOs.
What

>>715185887
>Also the actual worst "toxic positivity" community in MMOs.
Aka: fans who dare to love the game.

>>715185887
>Also the actual worst "toxic positivity" community in MMOs.
That was FFXIV until recently, but now the devs are getting serious backlash from every level of online discourse, since they've wasted all the goodwill they had spent years building up.

>>715186001
>Do I play this MMO?
>No, you should play this [definitively and self-evidently not an MMO] instead!
What the actual fuck did anon mean by this?

>>715159954
>stockholm syndrome heart of thorn nigger opinion
shitties expansion followed by shittiest opinion

>>715186490
for some reason gatchafags like to attack MMOs

>>715185887
>Also the actual worst "toxic positivity" community in MMOs
especially on niggernet's gay forums, the fucking no-life homos who sit on there all day have kikenet's circumkiked dick so far down their throats that it's starting to poke out of their ass

>>715186643
I really don't get what they are trying to get out of it.
Like yeah an MMOfag might decide to play other genres including gachashit.
But as a replacement for MMOs? That's like suggesting CoD as a replacement for an RTS game.

>>715186490
those are both mmos, you're just a retard who doesn't know what mmo means, nigger

>>715186770
Imagine what this poster looks like if you want to laugh.

>>715161724
ive been playing on a controller for all of my playtime 5k hours, whats your excuse

>>715186853
>gachaslop
>MMO
No, gachashit is single player autobattler waifu slot machine garbage.

>>715156227 (OP)
Nah it's dog shit. I couldn't care to reach the endgame becuase the world building and initial questing is the worst and most boring i've ever experience in a MMO. It's typical Korean slop. Unironically play WoW, XIV, OSRS, or ESO. All where better than this slop.

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>>715186643
it's because in asia, they're pretty much the same thing with both being made for mobile these days

>>715186990
no matter how much you want to try and handwave it away and play musical goalposts about it like an autistic retard, they're still mmos, whether you like it or not

>>715186770
Try reddit. Not only that, they invaded /mmo/ all the time and shill their game there. They will downvote any remotely small criticism about the game and call it the best mmo

>>715187295
Okay.
So can you make your own character in Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact?

>>715187417
Its obvious they are using their own made-up definition of what an MMO is

>>715156227 (OP)
How the fuck is this game still around

>>715187646
has a niche community of diehards
I'm kinda envious, really

>>715187646
It's more fun than wow and ff14 combined so it won't die.

>>715187384
when i looked at reddit, they were oddly much more critical of jewnet, and the few dickriders that were there were much more reserved about slurping faggotnet semen

>>715187646
milking the whales while the money goes to other projects
typical game owned by asian CEOs, really

>>715187417
yes? is that what you think an mmo is? lol, as expected of someone who shills for tranny wars 2. what a fucking retard

>>715187767
>can't mod to play as a musclefuta
Pass

>>715185883
You are if you go looking for that NPC. They are placed in a spot so that you have to stop what you’re doing, turn around, and walk back to them

>>715187958
>yes?
Show me a character creator for either of the two games that allows you to make your very own character.

>>715187882
I can’t imagine ten dollar bikini skins every few months is that lucrative.

>>715156227 (OP)
The world and exploring is fun. I absolutely cannot stand the class system and combat in general

>>715187646
ncsoft is footing the bill to keep it around, at an extreme loss, because it's their only title in the west with any recognition at all since aion totally
tortanic style flopped here

>>715188070
mmos aren't defined by having character creators, move on to your next pathetic goalpost moving attempt

>>715188245
>says it's an extreme loss
>shows massive successful sales and miniscule operating costs
?

I miss guild wars 1...

>>715186074
I do Matriarch>Pinata>TD>AB>Dragon Storm>Convergance on my days off, and the ectos I get from salvaging sell for about 20 gold.
It’s just good to do them, but especially if you’re working on gen 2’s

>>715188142
It's not the only game/dev team that they own. Everyone suspects that the majority of the devs were put to work on a sequel anyway while the rest pump out annual "expansions"

>>715188525
It’s still there. Go ahead and do DoA or dungeons with heroes. Super easy now with paragons

>>715188574
I still love doing Tequatl.
God I remember when he was brand new and it was a race to see which server killed him first, I was hotshit for awhile having the sunbreaker title.

>>715188385
>it can be an mmo without playing a character of your own make
shiggy my diggy up lmao, gachacels are deranged

>>715188732
I remember the first time I got Tequatl’s hoard and thought it was something amazing.
Now it’s just like “free ascended that I’ll have to stat change? That’s cool, I guess”

>>715187227
Is the whole point of games like this to make them look like casino games

>>715188440
>negative income isn't a loss
the mental gymnastics of guild faggots

>>715185615
They exist but are simply pointless now. Not even for WvW.

>>715156227 (OP)

>>715188858
yes, it can, sorry that you're too stupid to understand that, sorry that you were dropped on your head as a baby

>>715189039
>yes, it can
nah. your waifu jpg slot machines aren't an mmo

>>715188669
for anyone wondering when they're going to release troon wars 3, see the attached ncshit copium pic for details

>>715189214
anon, please stop replying to retarded bait
please

>>715160041
They could have made all the characters white anyways.

>>715189214
>if we just selectively omit every mmo that's more successful than ours, then we'll be the top 3 mmo!
t. gaynet retarded logic

>>715189306
Alright fine.

>>715156227 (OP)
buy GW1 instead and get a friend to play together with you
you will have one of the best MMO experiences

forget about GW2. It's a modern wow clone

>>715164948
black desert feels better on a steam deck to play. GW2 is kinda annoying to control

>>715188010
>non game playing second life porn addict
goodbye.

>>715182195
Launch, HoT and PoF: the peaks of GW2.

>>715189024
Assuming you open all of them, salvage everything, and sell the mats or just sell the unids, that’s still not as much as gold as you’d get from running T4’s+Recs.
I don’t get why they make WvW mandatory for legendary weapons if they make the rewards so fucking bad.

>>715164891
which kind of demons was the demon expansion about? torment dudes? sea peoples? dhuum niggas? or some entirely new kind of demon that didn't exist in the lore until now?

>>715189509
GW2 is very easy to play on deck as long as you stick to Mechanist

kind of shocked it's still going after all these years

>>715164948
I enjoyed the little bit of Black Desert I played.
>Roll up that small hobbit character that can summon llamas
>Build a farm
>Only go kill stuff when I need to level up or unlock more nodes and shit so I can make my farm better

>>715189914
it's really not still going, it's just a hollowed out husk that some insects hsve made a meager nest in, givingbit the illusion of animation from afar

>>715189638
Newish demons. They’re sort of related to the Mursaat.
>Demons want to break out into the real world
>Some demons are good boys and don’t want a war with humans
>You help them kill the bad demons who were just as big of threat as the dragons but not worth talking about until now
The plot for Soto sucks and is heavily padded with rift hunts, but it does have some good QoL updates. Plus, the strikes are ridiculously easy and give good rewards

>>715189237
>we only have until 2026 before gw3 tanks anet, dragging gw1 servers down with them

>>715167207
You're trying way too hard anon

>>715190373
Guild Wars sure has lots of demons. I even forgot to mention Titans, Oni, and Asura. Plus I'm sure more are slipping my mind.

>>715190373
>demons are actually misunderstood
i'm so sick of seeing this trope crop up

>>715191075
I was never a fan of how the Mists are just a vaguely defined alternate dimension filled with dozens of realms and also able to be used like some sort of matrix for reliving history

>>715191225
And just think: if you want legendary armor from Soto on one character, you have to play through it 6 (six) fucking times

>>715189237
Interesting. I'm of the belief that we're closer to "GW3" announcement than most people think (especially with them hiring for big publishing and marketing roles late last year) but I really don't think it's *that* close. What else does NCSoft have going on in the next year, any other big releases like expansions for Korean MMO's etc?

>>715190872
you're trying way too hard to suck my cock, faggot

>>715191494
aion 2, which'll only be big in korea, if it doesn't flop on its face like throne & liberty did there and is well on

>>715191647
...and is well on its way to flopping globally too

>>715161367
>come to persons land and force your fag ways
>ruin everything
>beat up the Asian person in his own land
why is ANET so racist

>>715164948
wish they handnt fucked Blade and Soul so bad
PvP was great

>>715192873
I don’t think you can complain about colonialism if you’re promoting isolation ethnostate policies like the Ministry of Purity. You kinda get what you have coming
Also, the MoP did exactly what you’re describing to Kurzicks and Luxons

>>715188245
nah. they addressed that by completely shutting down NC West and merging its publishing functions into Anet back in 2019. GW2 was the one financing all of NC West's aborted projects, which has been an open secret since Wildstar.

>>715191225
as long as migrants are treated as illegal invaders in the cultural consciousness and there's a good boy didn't do nothing wrong narrative around them, the demons being misunderstood proxy will never go away

i like the gameplay and stuck with it from launch for a long time, but the aggressive and unrelenting poz content in end of dragons wore me down. is skipping the epilogue of EoD and all of SotO worth it? the player housing in janthir is the only thing that gives me any sort of spark of interest or hope...

>>715194692
>as long as migrants are treated as illegal invaders
But that's what they are, literally.

>>715195298
Soto gives you weapon mastery, which removes the lock for weapons behind specializations and a bunch of shit for Skyscale. It’s worth it if you plan to play for a while

Minionmancer is still utter shit
Ranger is still utter shit for a pet class
The pet is literally only even slightly good on an engineer
>it's OP
Still utter slop to play

>>715195371
this is why you're on the losing side of the culture war

For a Time.

>>715195741
Necro is one of the best classes in all modes. Reaper can mow shit down way faster than minions

>>715195748
Oh yeah that's why establishment politicians are crying about the "populist right"
Twitter has disproved this entirely, the majority of people would rather side with nazis over trannies

>>715195935
>my right wing shitbox proves i'm right
ok

>>715156227 (OP)
This was such a bizarre game to me. I got max level but it didnt mean anything since you can take part in most of the content at any level. Theres no real gear progression and theres only a handful of looks per armor type unless you spend money. You rarely learn new skills and most of them are useless anyway. There isnt really any tanking or healing, though I did tank as a Mesmer once which was cool but I didnt understand how I was maintaining aggro. I never understood the point of doing anything.

>>715195902
That's not the point
Minions are pointless

There was no reason to put in Necromancer in the way they did and it was clear they had no intention of doing anything special with it beyond the shroud mechanic

>>715196030
Everyone uses twitter and nobody uses bluesky, calling it right wing isn't some magic spell like saying volermort that makes it irrelevant because it's inconvenient to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4
never forget
TO VABBI

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>>715186770
>>715187384
I've been saying for years that Guild Wars 2 is actually an eldritch entity forming a cult. I still remember when the Jessica Price drama happened the usually hyper SJW fanbase because so rabid attacking her and the people who defended her and they even scared Jim Sterling into deleting his video about it. I remember trying it, thinking it was shit, and asking how to get my refund (only got it because I heard I could) I was attacked asking for it with batshit insane shit thrown at me telling me I was "ungrateful" and how "you don't get top enjoy something for hours only to try to get your money back." Just insanity.

>>715196065
Anything from the core game is shit now. If you want to play minion mancer, stick to open world
I hear what you’re saying, but there’s better, faster options. They even buffed minions long before HoT by making them immune to AoE damage from bosses. Necros are still great for every role that’s relevant.

>>715196186
This video is chud nonsense, nobody disliked Kormir back in 2007, she was beloved you only hate her now for being black now /pol/ has infected your mind

>>715196506
It's not option dps or meta
It's simply about them putting in a profession and genuinely having no concepto f what to do with it and letting it die

You could literally give its gimmick to any other class and it would be the same
>damage of time and a second healthbar

>>715196228
There is a damn good reason why 4 Chan is remotely one of the places in the net where you can openly critize this shit mmo

>>715196770
If you really want to play an outdated build, you can bring it to old content and have others carry you or just stick to open world
You can even have all of them follow you while in Reaper Shroud. To anyone who plays the game, it’s just not worth complaining since you can kill shit way faster than minions can. The wells are just so much better
>Pulsing blindness for 10 seconds and 3 seconds of stun while you press 4 in Shroud
>On a 20 second cooldown
All you need unless you want to spend more time on trash mobs

>>715197445
I'm assuming you're either trolling or just straight up a sperg
Either way, please stop

>>715195607
hmm.. is the skyscale stuff like a mastery line or just easier unlocking? i already have it fully unlocked from before that xpac. the weapon thing doesn't do much for me because i'm playing a generic lb/gs power ranger and refuse to take the hint that the devs want me to be condi with all of the condi movesets they keep releasing.

>>715198570
SotO masteries have some nice stuff for the skyscale like updraft/leyline usage while flying, fireballs, mid-combat launch onto skyscale, and a couple other minor nice things.

>>715197573
I hear everything you’re saying, and it just feels like you’re punching air to be upset.

Needs a private instance mode for the world because wow players are unhelpful anti-social dicks.

>>715198570
They can shoot fireballs and you can mount in combat with the Soto masteries. They can also glide on leylines in and use updraft boosts in HoT maps to regain all stamina and endurance.
Some classes definitely needed weapon mastery. Engineer hammer on mech is disgustingly good

>>715199291
>overflow map filling slowly but looks like it should be fine by the time the meta starts
>hp train enters the map

>>715199291
>>715199454
Most mmo has some sort of zone instance you can freely move. How the fuck gw2 can't even do that?

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>>715199312
damn it.. that does sound convenient. i'll look into it. how is the writing in a general sense? not looking for oscarbait but i heard they course corrected after EoD and would really like a shift back to killing the bad guys and going on adventures instead of more "Friends Detective Agency" or ruminating on barely disguised modern day political issues.

>>715199291
>wow players are unhelpful anti-social dicks.
But I was told GW2 is the most friendliest mmo out there

>>715164114
humiliation ritual

Whats the name of the plant guy everyone hated

>>715199917
green faggot

>>715199685
Boring as fuck. Heavily padded with a new Open World event they added they make you do every other chapter. You can get legendary armor much easier than before, but requires you to play through it 6 different times

>>715199291
how so? i always found it was really hard for other players to drag down your experience. almost everything is shared on tag and resource nodes are personal/instanced.

>>715161367
This is worse than Wuk Lamat

>>715199917
trahearne

>>715183063
why do the ones with attitude always look weird?

>>715200068
>first result in yt is trahearne death
Thanks

>>715200002
They're different magnitudes of wokeshit. Wuk Lamat is a preachy liberal blue hair talking about peace and indigenous staple foods.
GW2 is full on poz my asshole up level.

>>715159954
>no real end game in the traditional MMO sense
This is a good thing. MUH ENDGAME was nonsense created by raidlog niggers that refuse to interact with anything in an mmo that isnt some esports parsing nonsense and will whine the loudest until all resources are diverted to directly pandering muh epik hard-core raid bosses that less than 1% of the playerbase will ever clear and then wonder why the game died as a result

>>715200374
The ministry of purity is basically Imperial Japan. You will never find a piece of media made outside of Japan that praises Imperial Japan
Is Bash the Bigot cringe? Sure, but come on

>>715175754
90% of the story is your average mmo slop
the other 10% is split between some absolute kino and the most tumblr core trash you will ever see.

>>715186990
>No, gachashit is single player autobattler

You should play Wuthering Waves when they have co-op events going on. It's fun as fuck when bosses are overpowered and you have three idiots trying to survive 1 hit KOs from bosses.

>>715193482
>ethnostate
Cantha is not an ethnostate, Luxons and Kurzicks are different ethnicities compared to mainland Canthans and always had been and they were not treated any worse than them.
>they deserve it anyway
Why?

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>>715201612
This is not real, right?

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>>715201612
why can't they help themselves?

>>715201612
based

>>715186456
FFXIV was never as bad as GW2s and I've played both.
I'm talking about in-game not forum faggots who are irrelevant anyway.

>>715161367
good thing i never bothered playing this game because events is a mindless grind fest

>>715199685
just found out the expansions were on a sale that ended literally yesterday lmao damn it

>>715186456
That there is still a community after they made an expansion dedicated to a cat fursona voiced by a white man that pretends to be a woman doing a bad bad latina accent and no one is allowed to openly call out the game on it still places it in first on toxic positivity
No normal person is going to see that and decide to get into FFXIV so this shit is what's probably going to kill the game in the long term. And by that I mean get the player numbers so low they shutdown the nonjapanese servers

>>715204256
I doubt they would do something as drastic to their main moneymaker.

>>715156227 (OP)
some of the best gameplay systems riddled by some of the worst logistics
you will spend 50% of the time messing with your bank/inventory; this is by design because they want to push you to buy more bank space / bag slots / character slots (for when you inevitably start muling everything)
for as good as it is though, the novelty wears off quick when you start trying to do endgame grinds like legendaries
the story is really bad, the dialogue is marvel tier quips

the pvp is very meta-heavy but it can be enjoyable
overall you really have to work for the fun, everything is very accessible (except maybe raids/strikes, which might change with next expansion) and there's lots of cool stuff happening, if it had a subscription it would be criminal but since you just need to buy it to play, it's fair to experience once

>>715156227 (OP)
mindless grinding in event and stupid attribute point fetch quests

I would rather play the first one again...

>>715205080
Based. Go work on your GWAMM.

Good to see a GW2 thread. For all its faults, its one of the few decent MMORPGs alive today, and for me better than Wow and FFXIV, which are always shilled on /v/.

>>715156227 (OP)
slop

>>715204256
All that shit is nothing compared ot GW2's norm so I have no idea what you are talking about.