>i dont want this life
How do you respond without sounding mad?

Play the piano boy

paintings don't have feelings
shut up

Play the piano first.

>>715162927 (OP)
Why did she make him old while everyone else stayed the same age? You can't even say she made him look his actual age cause he'd be much older than that

>breaks his spirit
>makes him play the piano for all eternity
>even makes a younger clone of him because why the fuck not
Maelle is a stone cold bitch

>>715163101
>Why did she make him old while everyone else stayed the same age?
Lune and Sciel look older; they have grey hair.

Verso was always a faggot

>>715163310
Weird, I guess I missed it since I only watched that ending once.

WOMP WOMP

>>715162927 (OP)
You'll learn to like it.

>>715162927 (OP)
Imagine some people having worse than you, bitch boy.

>>715163550
>learn to live with the consequences of your choices
>haha no fuck you
peak woman moment

>>715163706
But enough about Verso.

>>715163550
The perfect woman

>>715162927 (OP)
>"Understandable. You deserve peace, especially for giving your life for me. Time for me to grow up and leave this basement. Rest in peace, brother."

Well verso my boy, you're not real. But I am, therefore my desires outweigh whatever sanctimonious morality crisis you're having. Now...

Play the piano.

>>715163550
>Is only alive due to Verso

Imagine sympathizing with this ungrateful monster.

I genuinely cannot fathom choosing Maelle's ending unironically. Verso and Renoir were 100% in the right, I understand this is /v/ and people like to exaggerate and all but I would really like to see someone try and explain to me why Maelle's ending is the better choice. I'm not arguing or acting in bad faith or anything I'm just really wondering.

>>715163936
Dude, he really doesn't give a fuck about Alicia. He just wants to die and murder-suicide is a classy way to do it.

>>715162927 (OP)
Play
the
fucking
piano

>>715164006
Ironic

>>715163550
I would fuck that eyesocket if you know what I mean

If you were a real gamer you wouldn't even consider killing verso

>>715164042
You could argue that the painted people have true sentience and erasing them is horrible, since they did nothing to deserve it. Then again, Verso never claimed to have the moral high ground, he just wanted his family to heal and move on, fuck the painted people.

>>715164042
I chose Maelle's the first time because I was curious to see how it would play out. I pretty much knew what was going to happen in Verso's ending.

>>715164042
to pick Maelle you have to be
>a woman
>childish
>stupid
>a dumb brown edgelord

>>715164182
>he just wanted his family to heal and move on, fuck the painted people.
No, he just wanted to die. Saving his "family" is a bonus that makes him look good, but not his end goal.

>>715164042
It's two main angles
>They consider the people in the painting as real as the ones outside
>Maelle is just gonna suffer and probably kill herself in the real world anyway

I chose Maelle because she is a cute girl and i am the type of guy who likes cute girls.

>>715164269
He was moved to action by seeing his broken mother, not himself. 'I dont want this life' is not him just wanting to die, but rejecting all the fucked up shit thats going on

at this point I am convinced painters are actually gods, much like those you'd find in greek mythology and they are able to create entire worlds/realities (which they call canvases), calling the painted world lumiere is in a vrchat is not accurate

>>715164042
Forcing Maelle to suffer in the real world for the sake of her stupid "family" is more morally appalling than forcing Verso to get over his dumb weltschmertz.

>you guys wouldn't stay in the painting as well

>>715164182
At that point in the game everyone is already gone except the main party, to choose Maelle's ending and bring them back to just be the playthings of a sad unbalanced girl seems even worse than erasing them in the first place to me if they are truly sentient.
>>715164269
Him dying leads to his "family" gaining the path to closure and saving them, the goals are one in the same and it is stated as much in the game itself though.
>>715164317
Once again Maelle continuing to live in a delusion and also painting everyone back to just be her toys seems even worse morally than erasing them in the first place and Verso's ending does show the family together and implies things are getting better in the last scene.
>>715164554
Forcing Maelle to accept the reality of the situation and giving way to change and hopefully a richer life is far less morally wrong than subjecting the soul of a dead boy to endless torment and slavery.

>>715163037
>Maelle brought Lune and Sciel back instantly
>didn’t even try to bring back Gustave or Sophie
What did she mean by this?

>>715164056
Dude, regardless if that's the real Verso or not. They both accomplished the same thing: saving the real family, whereas Alicia just wants to further tear it apart to maintain a fake illusion of happiness.
Anyone who genuinely believes Alicia's ending has any silver lining whatsoever is a delusional retard (much like Alicia.)

Just one of the many instances of E33 subverting expectations: despite Verso's constant lying and backstabbing, he's the hero, despite Maelle's Mary Sue nature, she's considered the villain.

>>715164928
it's explained in the game

Maelle is real so she's right

>>715162927 (OP)
Eh, Verso is a selfish retard

>>715165081
Renoir is real and has been real for longer so he's right.

WOMEN AMIRITE?!

>>715165081
Read this as ‘Maelle is real so she’s tight.’

So whats up with that Simon dude?
Why is he cosplaying as artorias?

>>715164042
Her >real life is shit. Her friends and loved ones are all in the paintings, and as far as we know, they are all sentients, with intelligence and feelings. If she's happy there, what's the problem? She's not causing any issue for anyone.

And what makes her "real" life more real than the one in the painting? Maybe she too, has been "painted" by another god?

>>715164739
Trvke, there is literally no arguing against this. Alicia is a selfish piece of shit. Also imagine being a revived Lumiere citizen and now knowing a literal god with teenager emotions walks among you, and if you get on her bad side she could kill you in an instant or worse subject you to torment for eternity (as she is already doing to her own brother)

>>715164739
I don't care about the family, irresponsible and downright cruel demiurges shall suffer, Verso the traitor of painted people will spend 1000 years in piano mines for his transgressions

>>715162927 (OP)
>i want to commit canvas genocide because i´m le sad

fuck off verso

>>715165465
>God is real and Jesus came back to live among us, oh the horror beter kill everybody cause Jesus might kill me if I'm bad otherwise

>>715165437
>She's not causing any issue for anyone
Except her real family thats shes helping destroy by not letting them move on

escapism is bad mmmkay

Gustave was cooler

>>715165437
>If she's happy there, what's the problem?
She intends to live out the rest of her real life in a delusional state, which would then cause even more damage to three other "real" people outside the painting, her real family most likely forever tearing them apart.
>Maybe she too, has been "painted" by another god?
Nothing in the game establishes this to even be a possibility so I don't consider it when thinking about which ending is best.
>>715165540
At least you're honest I suppose.
>>715165590
The genocide was already committed. Verso is freeing the only two real souls left in the canvas.

>>715165310
Clea's painted OC donut steel

>>715165310
verso's friend from the first expedition, guy fell in love with painted clea, real clea took advantage of him and made him super sayan to do her bidding and the paintress had him face renoir and apparently he failed against a real painter since renoir wasn't stopped

>>715166224
>>715166434
So he isnt a painted version of a real person?

>>715167782
no, he's just a very powerful (re)painted dude

>>715162927 (OP)
>>715163101
>>715163310
When Alicia decided to stay in the painting, she also lost her father in a sense. Making Verso old is a way to have a replacement for Renoir also.

>Clock in inside the canvas at 9am, see your buddies, clock out at 5pm and go be with your real family
Problem solved

>>715165812
Oh no.
Who gives a fuck. Don't pin this on Alicia. Is not her fault her family is retarded.

>>715165437
She's god and her friends aren't on the same powerlevel. Gustave acts in a way she doesn't like? Oops, now he does. Never happened btw.
It's childish of her to want to live in a puppet house where she's the puppet master and can make everyone her friend. Even if within the painting it would be real, it's not real real, because they have no choice. She'll force them like she forced Verso anyway.

It's a life where no one has freedom, other than Alicia.

>>715168761
It's entirely on Alicia for being retarded and getting her brother killed and doubling down on retardedness by killing herself essentially through pain killer abuse.

>>715168717
>I'll just use my morphium in responsible doses, I swear I'm not addicted
Renoir is waiting with a bottle of turpentine ready to melt that painting down as soon as she leaves, because she cannot be trusted. Don't trust drug addicts.

The fucked up thing is that Maelle shouldn't exist as a personality. It's there because Alicia fucked up, got herself repainted and spent virtual 15 years with virtual people, developing this weird need to protect her simulation people. Renoir was 100% in the right. This shit consumes you and developing defense mechanism against It should be the first thing that you learn when going inside paintings.
The second person to blame after Alicia was Clea, that though It's a good idea to leave her mindwiped sister in the middle of this fucked up battleground between their parents

>>715162927 (OP)
Well that's too damn bad boy. Now git yer ass is the robot shinji

>>715162927 (OP)
But you promised to play the piano?

I miss /coe33/

>>715162927 (OP)
SING US A SONG YOU'RE THE PIANO MAN

>>715162927 (OP)
>promised he'd play piano
>mad that he actually has to play piano
Play the piano, piano man.

>>715164042
Psychopathy, waifufagging or people that would sign up for the suicide pleasure booth.
Some of the shitposters are also in denial that the people of Lumiere are already erased by that point to force the "genocide" angle which was deliberately avoided by the devs (Lune is the only painted character left by that point that doesn't embrace the end of the painting). I don't know whether they are shitposting or it's a genuine case of media illiteracy.

>>715164042
It's really quite simple for many; you're choosing between characters you've spent the whole game with vs the antagonists. Renoir is decent enough but Aline and Clea are cunts, so many wouldn't want to sacrifice even just Lune, Scielle, Monoco and Esquie for them.

>>715165817
This everyone knows real life is cooler and more based with uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the ability to work for a smidgen of a pitance?
the ability to make fleeting relationships with people that're as interesting as oatmeal?
the ability to get ill?

>>715172870
Clea is perfect.

Probably by telling you to take your normalfag movie game back to discord.

>>715163550
>My brother gave his life to save me in an unimaginable act of heroism
>He would have wanted me to ghost my entire family and slowly kill myself in a delusional fantasy world that also entraps the last scrap of his soul and forces it to entertain me until I die

>>715174339
>My brother gave his life to save me in an unimaginable act of heroism
They beat people over the head with the meaning behind Visages and people STILL think this

>>715174215
We're not talking about Death Stranding 2 though

>>715168717
>spends 7hours IRL
>months if not years in the painting have passed

>>715170551
It's sort of a catch 22 because she refuses to leave, therefore demonstrating that she is addicted and does need to be stopped by stronger measures
If Maelle wasn't a junkie and could accept a modicum of responsibility, it would have been as simple as leaving the canvas with Renoir as soon as he was defeated, proving that she can in fact hold herself back and that the canvas doesn't need to be destroyed. Of course, it's a moot point since Maelle is an actual addict and doesn't actually want to ever leave, but it's not as though Renoir was dead set on destroying the painting for no reason. Between Aline and Alicia they really didn't give him a choice, both of them are basically willing to kill themselves because they love shooting up morphine so much

>>715162927 (OP)

>>715175045
>Paint waifu
>Impregnate
Go to bed
>New daughter wife every day

>>715162927 (OP)
I respond by telling him he should've stabbed Maelle through the back of her head while she was talking to Renoir if he actually wanted to die.
Painted Verso is just compelled to take a contrarian traitor stance, it's programmed into him by Aline.

i hope sandfall's next game will be as much of a banger as E33 was. but what are the chances?

>>715178302
Had he merely locked in on the gommage objective he would have just sided with Renoir at the start of act 3.
The entire third act happens because Verso wants to end the painting while still giving a satisfying conclusion for Maelle.
Unfortunately for him she's a dumb brat and has fans even worse than her. At least she knows her father loves her now. That's the only difference compared to just not having act 3, and Verso took the risk of getting in the bad ending just for that.

>>715179162
depends, their success will attract a lot of untalented retards to their studio, hopefully they keep the team tight knit and go for another original game rather than trying to make a sequel to the perfect endings of Expedition 33

>>715164042
i prefer maelle's ending for the grim tragedy of it, but I can recognize its not the "good" end

>>715179280
>The entire third act happens because Verso wants to end the painting while still giving a satisfying conclusion for Maelle.
The third act happens because Verso has realized that maybe, MAYBE they don't have to destroy the canvas after all, but any hope of that is ruined during the final fight when: 1, Aline returns to the canvas after what would be mere moments of real world time, 2, Renoir reveals to him the extent of his mother's physical suffering in the real world, and 3, he sees Maelle lie about not wanting to live there forever. These three events unfortunately lock into his mind that the canvas and the life he wants for his family cannot coexist, which is why he goes through with what he does.

>>715179572
i think most people agree that a sequel would be superfluous. but maybe they can make another, different game set in the same universe?

>>715180136
The universe outside the painting is paper thin. We only see the Dessendre manor and the four living members of the family.
The only thing established is that there are painters with the power to create miniworlds, and their nebulous enemy (the writers, just a name).
It's so little that aside from making you play Renoir/Clea/Aline/Alicia team fighting the writers, there would be zero contact with the first game, and that would be a direct sequel.

>>715165540
100% this desu fuck that pos play the fucking piano

would real verso have agreed with Punished "Venom" Verso?

>>715181340
At the end the remnant of Verso agrees with Verso. He already tends his hand when Maelle separates them with a sword. In the bad ending ghost shota verso isn't even acknowledged while he has a cute moment with Verso in the good ending. Also the characters that real Verso created agree with Verso.

Verso did it all for his family. He and Renoir were the same in that regard, they accept that the people in the painting are real, but wish for Aline to heal more than anything. Of course he still truly cherishes his relationships with other people like Sciel & Lune.
And then his sister did the exact same thing as his mother. Knowing she will eventually become as miserable as his mother, unfortunately for him, there was only one solution to this.
Yes he hates his own existence, would rather die, and wishes Aline had never painted him or given him the memories & personality of Verso in the first place. But if he could have found a way to preserve it all along with his family outside the painting going back to normal, he would've done it. It's why he helps Alicia in act 3.
Verso's life is a tragedy.

qrd?

>>715164928
when real renoir starts wrecking shit in lumiere shortly after appearing, before running away maelle says something like "i can feel them" and grabs some magic particle shit before leaving
that was sciel and lune's chroma just floating around

>>715164269
Not at all, pay attention to Verso's body language in the second half. Everytime he has any kind of reaction, it's because of things involving his family. He's horrified as he begins to realize the reaction Maelle is headed, and he also has a tiny freak out when Renoir shows them what Aline looks like as she's overdosing on Chroma. Painted or not, they gave him all of Verso's memories and feelings, and he died for his sister, so he obviously deeply loved his family

Anybody else think it's kinda weird the lyrics seem biased towards the verso end?
>So we must say goodbye until next life

>>715170551
This game hit me pretty hard since my mom has basically been killing herself with booze for the last few years. It wasn't super apparent until the last few months when she got soft fired from her job. I tried a bunch of shit with her like taking away her booze, but she would just order more and was (and is) in complete denial that something was wrong with what she was doing.

What it took for my family to listen to me was my grandfather seeing her not able to walk and fucking babbling nonsense on a Tuesday morning after downing a liter of tequila that she needed help, and so after a bunch of back and forth bullshit shes FINALLY going into rehab soonish.

So anyways, I saw the Maelle ending for what it was and I was happy that I picked the Verso ending. I cant fucking stand it when people go on with an addict's bullshit.

>>715178302
>Painted Verso is just compelled to take a contrarian traitor stance, it's programmed into him by Aline.
No, not really.
He just want the best for his mother and his sister, he was actually trying to stop Renoir to destroy the canvas until Maelle started to act like a retard, than he decided it was for the best to destroy everything.

>>715171241
the clea thing was mentioned in game. she knew it was safer for maelle to be in the painting (at least temporarily) than to be on the outside causing trouble or making herself a target again
also dont ever fucking slander clea. she won

>>715179990
Good point

>>715174871
What meaning?

>>715163101
>Why did she make him old while everyone else stayed the same age?
Didn't you guys understand what Verso wanted? He wanted to die so he was trying to end the painting. Alicia did not like that, but compromised with Verso in that he can die "naturally". Basically by old age. In short Alicia removed his immortality. Even the other characters aged. That's why Verso was old in Alicia's ending.

>>715182575
The game is geared towards the Verso ending.
>lyrics
It's even more blatant if you understand French. Several tracks openly tell you to get out of the painting and that only misery awaits here.

>>715162927 (OP)
I love how the moral of the story is just women are emotionally unstable retards.
>aline has a retard breakdown so verso's painting and the entire world needs to be destroyed
>maelle has a retard breakdown so verso's painting and the entire world needs to be destoryed
everyone could have lived happily ever after, had the 2 women just moved on normally without mindbreaking themselves

>>715185256
Ok incel

>>715185256
Honestly Renoir probably could have solved the problem by locking the painting in a big ass safe in the basement. Since theyre richfags they probably have one big enough. And what is Maelle going to do about it? Its not like she has paint powers in the real world.
Plus, just knowing that the painting still exists would give peace of mind to everyone.

>>715162927 (OP)
He's completely right.

>>715163550
Do they not have glass eyes in fantasy France?

Good and coherent argument
However

>>715179162
I really hope they don't touch that universe again, this doesn't need to become a series
Leave it be and make something new again

>>715164042
I picked maelle because she's a cute girl and I spent more time looking at her ass than at the environment while exploring

>>715185256
The main plot is Renoir dealing with two bad cases of woman moment. Cléa has a lesser role and could have easily been a brother but she was included to have a non retarded real woman.

>>715179280
>Had he merely locked in on the gommage objecte he would have just sided with Renoir at the start of act 3.
He tried that at the end of act 2. Maelle brought him back.
He knows he won't get to die unless either Maelle wants him to stay dead, or the painting is destroyed, and he knows what he's betting on.

>>715185256
To be fair Renoir said he himself had lost himself in a canvas before and Aline snapped him out of it.

>>715164042
People who prefer Maelle's ending simply did not understand the message of the game.

>>715164042
That's the beautiful thing about this game's endings, they both have their own pros and cons to them.
Like Verso's would ultimately be helping the family move on and properly grieve, but its also marred by his own selfish desire to die and take the entire world of the Canvas and its people with him.
Whereas Maelle's is saving the people she loves in the Canvas and considers just as real as the family in the real world, but its also her own selfish desire to not live as a one eyed crispy cripple in a family that partially resents her.

>>715164006
WDYM? Verso the retard just stood there in fire and prevented Maelle from running away, forcing her to burn with him.

>>715164739
>painting everyone back to just be her toys

this is a fake and false narrative with no evidence to support it. They are not toys, Maelle doesnt and can't control them, not even Verso.

>>715165465
>imagine <headcanon> and i hate women
can you try be less uncharitable? Why would you know and why would you care? The narrative doesnt even make sense. Why would anyone get on "bad side" of Maelle? Maelle also is a good person (unlike Verso)

>>715191947
Renoir, Aline, Clea and real Verso can influence things more drastically. They made the lumerians, axons, gestrals and nevrons from scratch and those carry some of their motives from their designers.
Maelle is a total jobber at painting incapable of that.

>>715179162
I hope the next game is a sword and sorcery high fantasy storybook setting. Reuse the same game designs and just iterate on them further. Fly around with a dragon this time, going around to different castles in the sky. If they want to establish this JRPG style game as their game, it would be really, really nice to see.

When are they going to do a concert tour

>>715193087
The game was interesting because it wasn't standard dragonslop

>>715193087
I feel like that would just be Drakengard with JRPG gameplay instead of Musou

Not like that's a bad thing though, I need my Taro fix and the fat fuck wont make a new game that isnt gacha

STOP
PAINTING

>>715195420
It could be dragonkino if based on actual French medieval chivalry romances instead of the weeb variant diluted 1000 times.

>>715184895
>In short Alicia removed his immortality
this makes no sense since Alicia doesn't have the painting ability to paint over people's drawings proof? she couldn't even fix lumiere in her ending. lumiere is literally still cracked and broken showing she's a hack that can't paint shit except repainting people from memory that existed before.

Renoir did nothing wrong