I don't get this company and their inability to promote anything that is automatically cool.

>genetically engineered woman with the perfect body
>can fight the Doom Slayer
>The suit alone should sell to young boys
>Metroid Dread was great and all, but why so little Metroid content? This series should have Mario level treatment and it doesn't.

Fuck Zelda at Epic Universe, find a way to put Metroid there.

>why does the kid toy company focus on making kid toys instead of making cool sexy mature shit

It's not as successful in Japan.

>>715170150 (OP)
I want to fuck samus while she's wearing the fusion suit. fusion suit body condom.

Not made by Miyamoto

2D metroid >>>>>>>> 3D metroid
dread was awesome and now we get more fps shit with awful framerates, great

>>715170150 (OP)
Honestly, I'm kind of okay with how it is right now. I'd rather the franchise not be milked to hell.

>>715170461
i want to fuck you, anon. im not joking

Metroid isn't wahoo bing bing enough for Nintendo fans. I wish they'd just sell it to a third party publisher who could make AA multi-platform Prime games.

Wasn't Metroid viewed as a "western" series because japs didn't really care about it?
Nintendo ultimately cater to jap tendies first.

>>715170664
I feel the same for Star Fox too. 64 and Adventures are Kino, Assault was ok and Command put the franchise in the ground. Fox McCloud and Samus as characters theoretically should appeal to 10 to 13 year old boys.

It doesn't sell

>>715170150 (OP)
The games tend to have hostile atmospheres and difficulty. Japan likes cuddly and breezy. We’ll probably never get a large scale Metroid game, but I’m thankful for most of what we do get. Dread is pretty great when you don’t got a redditor in your ear bitching about linearity.

>>715170664
https://youtu.be/4sWfE2x-ClM?si=VwDQO_88xzFdC7Xj
Forget where it is but former Producer said Metroid pretty much only exists to keep older fans interested in Nintendo.

>>715170903
>Dread is pretty great when you don’t got a redditor in your ear bitching about linearity.
That sounds like a /v/ complaint

>>715170150 (OP)
The best selling Metroid game sold as much as Xenoblade 2

>>715170150 (OP)
It’s too AA for Nintendo I guess. They want to focus on big hitter exclusives + Xenoblade/Fire Emblem to get weebs hooked in

>>715170903
If Disney can sell Star Slop, then Universal or some other company can sell a Metroid movie to American audiences, shouldn't be hard.

>>715170150 (OP)
D-list series with D-list sales gets D-list treatment.

>>715170150 (OP)
>wanting your favorite game series to become popular

Be careful what you wish for anon. Just be glad that Metroid sells well enough to keep getting new games.

>>715170150 (OP)
Why would you want that? Metroid is alive and not mainstream, this is the best scenario.

>>715170150 (OP)
if nintendo lifts its leg up and cuts a fart with one of the real franchises it outsells the entire metroid series 10 to 1
metroid has literally never sold worth a shit since the NES version

don't care sex with balls

Metroid has never sold well, at least not flagship Nintendo franchise well.

>>715170379
Duh. The games are made in Spain and Texas.

>>715170150 (OP)
>>715170664
>>715171182
>>715171346
>>715170903
Let's this make this clear
2D Mario has a dedicated EPD team
3D Mario has a dedicated EPD team
Zelda has a dedicated EPD team
Animal Crossing has a dedicated EPD team
The Metroid "team" is literally two guys from different EPD divisions trying to find whoever is available externally to continue their respective part of Metroid, 2D and Prime. If Mercury Steam is no longer interested or dies, 2D Metroid is back on hiatus for lord knows how long.

>>715170150 (OP)
Because metroid games sell terribly. Star fox games sell better on average.

>>715176887
maybe there will be a dedicated team for Metroid in 2028/2029 when they finish the new Nintendo building that will have more space to have more developers

>>715170150 (OP)
samus looks like a nortubel character here

>>715170379
it's not successful anywhere, this thing's sales are in the dirt
just the way things go in life

>>715170903
But it is obnoxiously linear... for casual play. With speed runner tech it's super Metroid tier sequence breakable.
Also the soundtrack was pretty bad.

>>715176887
the demise of R&D1 and its consequences have been a disaster for nintendo

>>715177415
2D maybe
Could even use what was learned from working with Mercury Steam
Prime no

>>715177648
Eh, I'm sort of willing to believe there are some cool games we never would have gotten had SPD not been made even if I miss Wario Land

>>715177186
You know how terrible of a comparison that is, shame on you. Metroid got its redemption arc.

Sells like shit in Japan and I think only mid tier in the states(I don’t know how it does in Europe). They’re sitting on a goldmine by just remaking prime DS multiplayer pvp but they won’t do it

>>715178202
Its accurate, go look at the numbers yourself. Super metroid is listed at a whopping 1.5m copies, adventures sold more than that.
Metroid is unironically less popular than star fox.

>>715179670
Adventures is criminally underrated too. I still remember having a huge boner getting the game at Best buy on release date, didn't disappoint

>>715170150 (OP)
People will cite sales bit the trvth nvke is that it's neither a Miyamoto creation nor an all ages demographic sort of game thats easy to shove into movies, theme parks, and cheap merchandising

>>715179670
>unironically less popular than star f-ACK.

>>715182931
Now go look at how many copies SF64 sold. Dread is the highest selling metroid game at 3m. SF64 is the highest selling at 4m.

>>715183596
A slight edge in relevancy in 1997 does not translate into popularity at the current moment or overall

>>715170150 (OP)
The Elite Series
>Mario
>Pokemon
>Zelda
>Animal Crossing
>Splatoon
>Kirby
The "Hardcore" Series Nintendo keeps around so their diehards won't shit themselves
>Metroid
>Fire Emblem
>Xenoblade
Everything else is either inbetween (pikmin) or dead

Nothing to worry about, he's just joking. I asked him >>715170641 offline and he denied what he had previously posted.

>>715184126
>Fire Emblem
>Xenoblade
It's a matter of interest, resources, and profit
They sell well enough, their devs want to keep making them, and they have a team available to keep them going
That's literally it
They're not EPD games
What do you think they're gonna force Monolith Systems to do?
Drop all their Xenoblade work and make them do whatever random dormant Nintendo IP to take on instead past an assistant role?
Intelligent Systems isn't even owned by Nintendo

>>715184126
nu-fe and xenobored are casual slop

>>715182465
Fuck nintendo, they give samus fuck all attention at the nintendo store. Just some throwaway shit in a corner while pokemon Mario and splatoon get entire sections of statues and Lego stuff

>>715185627
>statues
Because the people who made those statues didn't sought to license Metroid
Nintendo doesn't make those statues themselves, they're not a statue company
>and Lego stuff
Because Lego Metroid doesn't exist because Lego didn't seek the license

>>715170989
Dread simply doesn't hold a candle to Fusion, which it was clearly trying to ape.

>>715184562
Monolith and I.S. are there to keep Nintendo's lineup full. If Nintendo was Microsoft they would have killed them for not selling 40 million every game

>>715177471
Wrong.

Metroid is successful enough to warranty new entries every now and then.

FZERO is the fucked IP

>>715186009
>no mandatory exposition dump cutscenes
>doesnt reuse supers ending
>can sequence break instead of having entire areas cordoned off
>no cutscenes with samus simping over Adam
>even better bosses
>dread suit is much better than fusion suit
>emmi are objectively better than scripted SAX encounters
No

>>715170150 (OP)
Metroid is exactly at the spot it should be.
t. lifelong Metroid fan

>>715186443
I'm not sure, I feel like Metroid was doing better 2002-2007. but I'm certainly happy with where things are at the moment.

>>715176887
Nintendo said they will be focusing on smaller IPs from now on while expanding the its employee size, so maybe, just maybe, Metroid and FZERO(and others) get a dedicated team. I really liked MercurySteam job with Dread

Metroid needs to be a completly different IP to appeal to the masses: It would have to have crafting, third person-view, collectibles, interactive NPCs, cute creature designs for the japanese audience, and all the other stuff popular games have

>>715170150 (OP)
Because it doesn't sell like one

>>715186615
I'm glad that Metroid doesn't have any of the RPG shit which Castlevania games do.

>>715170150 (OP)
good morning saar

>>715177186
>>715178202
metroid/star fox cross-over
if I can't have a star fox game, at least let me play as fox instead of samus and vice-versa

>>715170150 (OP)
I haven't enjoyed nu-metroid much

the scripted chase scenes in Fusion were already kind of lame, and dread is like if they looked at those and turned it up to 11

the galactic federation is ultra lame and I hated their intrusion into prime 3, what a fucking shameful thing to do to a series

and other M obviously was terrible

overall I just don't think nintendo have any clue what to do with metroid as a franchise, they don't understand it or its appeal and every time they've tried to do something with it in the 21st century they fuck it up. It would be nice if that changed and they started to make metroid not shit again but I have no confidence that this will happen anytime soon

>>715186583
Honestly I'd rather let it be up to choice if they want to bring back dormant IPs or not
I want to see the expansion bring in more creative, out of the box experimental games

>>715170150 (OP)
Why should they? Metroid is currently fine, it doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is.

>>715187043
I would like to see that fox and Samus would make for a good dynamic

>>715170641
I don't believe you
>>715184272
Alright that's good

>>715170150 (OP)
I dunno, Metroid and Xenoblade are in a mretty good place. Its Star Fox who is in a sad state. Lets not mention F-Zero....

>>715187043
>>715188170
I can't see it. Fox can't roll up into a ball, while Metroid can't crawl.

>>715170150 (OP)
Metroid is tied with xenoblade/fire emblem/pikmin as nintendo's lowest selling series

>there are people on this Scandinavian ice-fishing forum who actually forgave Nintendo for their complete shitstorm of a dev cycle that actually resulted in a public apology video

>>715170150 (OP)
>it's not an elite series
>metroid fans are impossible to please
it's like making a new shrek sequel

>>715189578
huh?

>>715186583
Those "smaller IPs" will likely just be Metroid, Rhythm Heaven, Tomodatchi Life, and Famicom Detective Club if recent releases are anything to go by.

>>715186208
The best F-Zero game was made by SEGA, and Nintendo could never live it down.

>>715191060
>Famicom Detective Club
Not made in-house

only popular amongst gaijins (untermensch)

Metroid's always been behind Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong and Pikmin in terms of sales.

>>715186275
>emmi are objectively better
emmis suck ass

I agree with the general sentiment that Metroid is fine where it is. Being on the B-list is unironically a good thing, cause it gets to remain what it is instead of having to conform to arbitrary AAA demands. As long as Nintendo doesn't fuck it up and pull any pricing shenanigans like I know they fucking want to, our girl will be fine.

... Fuck, that GDQ run got me in a mood, and I am struggling to keep myself from gushing about how much I love this franchise. Can I just say that I love Metroid without looking like a dork?

>>715192231
Neither is Metroid. What's your point?

Metroid is one of those series that while Iconic to Nintendo is comparatively much more niche than Mario and Zelda. That being said its a pretty consistent seller across the board barring misguided spinoffs. Its kinda in the same space as Xenoblade and Fire Emblem

>>715170150 (OP)
>can fight the Doom Slayer
Come back to me after she's done with DOOMGUY.

>>715192231
>>715191060
And Trace Memory.

>>715193343
Their expansion of EPD isn't necessarily gonna mean more FDC or Metroid because neither are made in-house

>Metroid has never been a heavy seller thanks to a variety of different reasons
>most Metroid games are either straight up shit like the Prime games or mediocre like Fusion
I wonder.

>>715190249
>>metroid fans are impossible to please
No, people just want another Super. Dread was a fine game and a step in the right direction.

>>715170150 (OP)
Shitty gooner series for degenerates.
I do not want to play as a female.

>>715194542
metroid is the only series i don't mind playing as a girl and puyo puyo everything else is goonershit pandering

>>715182465
Yeah, notice how most of the Link plushies are his Toon incarnation

>>715194824
this is fake and gay by misinformed japs. he's a space hunter in an orange astronaut suit

>>715194542
>>715195050
Retards

>>715193397
I would argue metroid is even less consistent than XB/FE. The major games sell about as much but the remakes/remasters sell less

>>715193870
The worst prime trilogy game (corruption) is noticeably better than fusion/SR/Dread

>>715170150 (OP)
>Why doesn't Nintedo treat Metroid as a elite series?
Because it doesn't sell as well as Mario

>>715186009
bait. Fusion fucking sucked

>>715195287
>metroid fans don't reward nintendo for rehash slop
uh based

>>715195463
Prime R outsold ZM/SR (possibly both combined) despite not having any new gameplay content and with 0 marketing

>>715170461
This but the dread Power Suit, her suitass looks ginormous

>>715190343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLIv_UXI_So
>6 years ago
Never forgive
Never forget

Dread is the best selling game in the series, why is the it doesn't sell meme still going

>>715195287
Prime series is dogshit. It doesn't understand Metroid, and it's not a good FPS game. Fusion and SR aren't fun to play either. Dread shits on all five.

>>715195979
Everyone knows Dread sold the best but it didn't sell gangbusters like other Switch games
And that's fine but people are discussing Metroid's sales in its entirety

>>715195889
Okay lets break this down. This was announced in 2019. So Retro probably hired inn that time. Then Covid hit at put a freeze on pretty much everything. So say a year delay for that. Development probably didn't pick up again until late 2021. We got the announcement trailer in 2024. The newest gameplay trailer was three months ago. Seems to me that after the initial debacle development has gone pretty smoothly.

Metroid Prime Remastered sold almost the same amount as Death Stranding 2 in almost the same amount of time (and DS2 probably has 50x times the budget of MPR). I think sales-wise the franchise is in a good spot.

>>715186583
>Nintendo said they will be focusing on smaller IPs
They never said that. Only that they will make their games have shorter development periods. Which is how it used to be in the old days anyway.

>>715196175
>doesn't understand metroid
They're the only games with proper exploration post-super (ZM is ok too). Dread's big gimmick are stealth segments, a terrible mechanic for metroidvanias that disincentivizes exploration further in conjunction with its fusion-tier railroading, though at least it has some sequence breaking

>>715195979
Being the best selling nintendo franchise on switch doesn't mean much, it sold few hundred thousand more than a gamecube game, peanuts compared to other nintendo series including niche ones like fire emblem and xenoblade

How do you market a series with a protagonist who rarely leaves her suit and barely speaks, and doesn't have a strong supporting cast either?

>>715196773
>with proper exploration
Completely linear progression and boring hallways isn't exploration.

>>715196923
Doom?

>>715197053
make samus a loli and problems fixded

>>715196923
just make good games and the people will come

>>715170150 (OP)
Metroid's best selling game has only sold 3 mil. It's never been a highly performing franchise so it makes sense why it isn't prioritized. Maybe if Prime 4 does really well then they might start focusing more on it.

>>715195287
It's definitely not less consistent than FE. Three Houses sold 4 mil and then Engage couldn't even hit 2 mil.

>>715197069
They're semi-linear like super (prime 3 is a bit more linear tho). The hallways are for connecting major rooms and hardware limitations, the rooms you spend time in are not hallway like in design

>>715170150 (OP)
Revenge on Gunpei Yokoi

>>715198491
We dont know engage's numbers, white paper stopped reporting nintendo's numbers in 2023

>>715198504
>They're semi-linear
Prime is a extremely linear and railroaded game. Glitching your way through a game doesn't make it non-linear. You can go anywhere you want in Super if you can reach it and have insane mobility to kill the main 4 bosses in any order.
>The hallways are for connecting major rooms and hardware limitations
Was the shitty scanning a hardware limitation also? Or is the level design just shit? Because I'll tell you now: it's not the former. It's a backtracking chore simulator where you walk in a straight line and engage in some of the worst gunplay ever created, not a fun exploration game with useful upgrades.

Best suit.

>>715199203
It is not extremely linear, there is free form progression between sequential progression nodes similar to super. Contrast this with fusion or dread that constantly box you in areas. Prime 2 is the only other game in the series with reverse boss playthrough BTW (1/ZM too I guess but they only have 2 major bosses + final boss).

Scanning is a great mechanic and the level design is wonderful

>>715199507
>there is free form progression
Nope.
>>715196175

>>715197086
>>715197742
All of the top franchises have something in common, something Metroid lacks.

>>715199507
>Prime 2 is the only other game in the series with reverse boss playthrough BTW
Prime 2 only has that level of nonlinearity if you do speedrunning tricks like clipping out of bounds. The main one is skip item loss which is a particularly esoteric glitch.

>>715199242
Dread Samus is pure sex.

>>715199589
How the fuck is Harry Potter still so big? The last movie was in 2011 and theres been nothing since?

>>715196175
Dread has a shit soundtrack and the majority of the environments look boring

You lose

>>715199242
Bitch that is not the Light Suit

>>715198156
>Maybe if Prime 4 does really well then they might start focusing more on it.
Depends on what you mean.
For reference, while Awakening selling well did save the series, Fire Emblem was always coming out on a regular pace.
More focus simply meant all games going forward were localized and business kept going as usual.
Metroid isn't a series made primarily by EPD staff.
Prime 4 could sell decent enough or sell like crack and both would just guarantee Prime 5 (which depends on if that'd be Retro's next project or not) and nothing more.
Retro isn't EPD
The turnover is rough, the company doesn't have multiple teams focused on continuing evergreen franchises (and smaller experimental ones), there's a lack of senior leadership and mentoring that makes EPD function like clockwork, etc

>>715199749
Prime has shit level design and has quite possibly the worst shooting mechanics in FPS history. I can't wait till Prime 4 flops once again so Primeniggers can finally commit mass suicide and stop pretending they understand video games. They can finally can this shit series and Nitntendo can learn how to properly made a real 3D game.

>>715199715
The Fantastic Beasts movies were more recent and added another $1.8B in box office plus merch. The kids that grew up with the books are now old enough to have kids that can read. Universal Florida has two separate Harry Potter sections. Hogwarts Legacy sold 34M copies.

>mfw this fake ass argument again

>>715200278
>tfw Rowling told the truth and trannies can't even

>>715200620
She's still a hack though

>>715199242
Yes

>>715199925
She looks like she knows it's the universe playing Sonic The Hedgehog

>>715196175
>>Prime series is dogshit. It doesn't understand Metroid, and it's not a good FPS game.
Based
>>715196175
>Fusion and SR aren't fun to play either.
Fucking retard

2D Metroid is better, but I enjoy the Prime series

>>715201217
Fusion is decent the first time you play it and then you never play it again because it's actually extremely boring and you play the exact same way every time. The boss fights are good though.

>>715199715
Harry Potter surprises you but not fucking Anpanman?

>>715186583
I interpreted this as smaller spin-offs like Splatoon Raiders which use a lot of exosting resources.

>>715199557
Yes, your image shows one route on one area early on, you can move about in multiple ways unlike fusion or dread's main game that box you in constantly

>>715170150 (OP)
The appeal is niche and sales are low to other Nintendo series in comparison.

But there was a time when core Nintendo players considered it as one of the three pillars (GameCube/Wii)

>>715205550
Trinity was only a thing for gaijins
Again, Metroid doesn't have a fully dedicated and secured team

>>715170518
It is quite literally the first Nintendo game to run at 120 fps, also the other prime games ran at 60?

>>715205640
I don't understand why people want Metroid to be big, AAA only hurts series.

>>715205640
That's what I'm saying, the forum era; tnd (the Nintendo domain) Bulbapedia, gbatemp, neogaf, here.

We had a kinship in understanding. I can't speak for 2ch

>>715205786
Nintendo AAA != Everyone else AAA

>>715205715
Why do the Prime games run so well? They were hitting stable 60 on the fucking Gamecube. I guess Retro is like Monolithsoft, rare devs who just know how to optimize.

>>715205715
2D purisits are retards, ignore them

>>715206209
That's exactly why. Just look at prime 4 on switch, it gigamogs dread in visuals yet runs at 60fps too. Hell, prime remaster does too and does it without drops and MUCH faster load times.

>>715206209
>I guess Retro is like Monolithsoft, rare devs who just know how to optimize.
It's AAA recruits without the caveats and with Nintendo tard wrangling

>>715206503
AAA recruits didn't get hired for prime remaster

>>715205786
Unfortunately being a bigger release is the only way most games get the clear for development. Thankfully Nintendo made public about developing games with smaller budgets to have consistent releases.

I wouldn't worry about Metroid being AAA because it never will be. I am expecting them to announce the next 2D one any day now

>Make Metroid Movie
>its in first person view from Samus's helmet
>they keep the actress a secret so no interviews or anything
>you only find out who it is at the end of the movie when she takes of her helmet
>its pic related
What would your reaction be?

>>715206660
No reaction, metroid story is irrelevant and I have no interest in a movie

>>715206652
I seriously love Nintendo and Valve, I don't care what anyone says, these two are keepers.

>>715206740
>valve
One of the biggest pushers of loot boxes/microtransactions with TF2 and later dota/CS. They uses to be based but can go fuck themselves now

>>715206652
They aren't going to reveal metroid 6 so soon, it's bad business with prime 4 coming. They finished prime R in August 2021 and waited till February 2023 to reveal/release it at a more opportune time.

>b-b-but prime and fusion
Different time, different systems

>>715206953
Even if valve has gotten worse as a developer, you can't find a better online marketplace.

You can never exactly predict what Nintendo will & won't do. We know MercurySteam is already working on it, might already have been completed. They started immediately after dread.

>>715206953
Both Nintendo and Valve have their ups and downs but the alternatives (Sony and Microsoft) are worse.

>>715207539
I don't trust anything with supposed development and this series, dread started development right after ZM in 2004

>>715206493
I'm certain Prime Remastered's load times are purely because they don't have to do that hallway loading trick anymore because of Switch hardware. These people are fucking magicians, I swear.

>>715207749
Sony hasn't done as much damage to the industry than valve. I do agree that nintendo is better than both (and valve) and that valve is better than MS, though

>>715207851
And yet dread's load times when taking elevators/trams/teleports are the longest in the series. Curious

>>715207973
Well yeah, different devs. Retro should give MercurySteam some pointers on how to decrease loading times for Metroid 6. That'd be super wholesome, actually.

I still want the elevators and trams though. It's just part of the franchise's identity.

>>715208237
Those are in prime but don't take a minute to get through made worse by the fact that dread is full of them

>retro giving MS tips
Would be funny considering MS originally wanted to do prime but nintendo rejected them

>>715208663
>Would be funny considering MS originally wanted to do prime but nintendo rejected them
They wanted to do a Fusion remake

>>715196892
Dread has 3 million compared to Xenoblade 2's 2.7 million.

This is important to know because xb2 was an early release & was poised to succeed,which it did. But it's later entries sold less; xb3 1.8m, xbde 1.8m

Prime remastered might have sold 1 mil but that was a failure of marketing experimentation

Xenoblade 3 had an entire dedicated direct while Prime got dropped immediately after a direct with no hype cycle.

But sales is only part of the equation. Dread was likely cheaper to produce than Xenoblade 3. Making Metroid more of a success.

Id be really hyped for a new Metroid Prime game if it was made ground up for Switch 2.

I've just lost interest in playing Switch 1 games now that I have Switch 2, I want more first party exclusive Switch 2 games.

What would they even do after dread chronologically?

>>715208663
I mean, both Samus Returns and Dread do have a fair amount of Prime flavor. Really emphasizing the techno-mysticism. Granted, both titles take place on chozo worlds, but there's still stuff like the prominent use of body language based characterization.

>>715208821
Eh. To be honest, I'd rather they just make a new one. I like Fusion, but I don't think it really needs a remake.

>>715209432
I wanna say Space Pirate civil war with Samus caught in-between but apparently they're all nearly wiped out

>>715209432
Well X Parasites are still gonna be a thing so fuck it, they corrupt an entire sapient planet

>>715209432
Go back to the series Alien inspired roots. And even then there's tons of options.
>Exelion
>the Kriken Empire
>whoever made Kanden
>finding the missing diamonts
>Miteralis
>the Monks of Grondheim
Throw a dart at any of the random bits of lore and make a game out of that. Done.

>>715179670
You can go ahead and compare a super Nintendo game to an n64 one, it won't make you look like you know what you're talking about.

>>715181848
>Adventures is criminally underrated too.
I was waiting for the aforementioned retard to actually use it as a talking point to how much "better" it sells than metroid when it's the Other M of Starfox which killed the series. Wowie it sold over a million because Rareware made it, now ask why all the others afterward sell like shit.

>Metroid is unironically less popular than star fox.
Starfox died specifically so Metroid could live. The AM2R fags have no idea how good they have it that Nintendo actually gave a shit about defending the IP and supportin it with games...you know not once every decade. Every since Other M they've made you faggot fans apology game after apology game, they even gave you an apology in he form of a game title (HOLY HECKERINO THEY ACTUALLY USED THE TITLE "DREAD", SHE IS THE METROID NOW HOW FUCKING BASED!). Meanwhile we've been waiting so long for an apology for Command that we'll just settle for Shiggy's death at this point.

>>715209885
>sapient planet
Phaaze never did quite capture that particular vibe. I'd love a game exploring a planet that is literally actively hostile to Samus.

Fuck it, Samus Aran vs Not-Unicron, let's go.

>>715210083
>Starfox died specifically so Metroid could live.
Star Fox and Metroid are made by different teams

>>715186583
All the other replies are wrong.
They're still going to churn out the same games for the same IPs, but devs now only have nine months to work on it instead of twelve.
After all, it works for Pokemon.

>>715209597
I really want to see a Super remake from these guys, complete the trilogy.

>>715187043
>Combine the IP's what's the worst that can happen?

>>715195889
>WE REARRY SORRY, BAMCO MAKE THIS GAMMU TOO GOOD FOR US TO COMPETE WITH IN FUTURE TITLE. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO OUTDO BAMCO LIKE WE HAVE TO WITH STARFOX, WE COULDN'T MAKE A BETTER ASSAULT.

>>715210168
>b-but teams
Cool story bro, just find another Shiggy to fuck with both of them on his do nothing time like you already did.
Starfox and metroid are owned by one videogame company you retard

>>715210535
>Starfox and metroid are owned by one videogame company you retard
And yet they're handled by different teams, produced by different people, etc
Saying Star Fox died so Metroid could live is like saying Wario Land is dead so Famicom Detective Club could live.
Star Fox isn't dead because Metroid had to thrive in its absence, Star Fox is dead because Zero bombed and nobody at EPD knows what to even do with the franchise and/or stretched thin resource wise concerning internal development

I really want to see the idea of Chimera Metroids. Metroids mutants created from fusing Metroid DNA with other species.

>>715170903
>The games tend to have hostile atmospheres and difficulty.
That only applies to Metroid 1 and 2. Super and onward, including the Prime games and remakes are cakewalks, in those later games, you can get stuck not knowing were to go (some of those not even that) but the environments themselves are pretty safe

>>715210784
>And yet they're handled by different teams, produced by different people, etc
Which means nothing, it's the same company you jackwagon. Is this also why people beliee Iwata was good? Because he was dickriding Hiroshi and his ideas and then promptly died before he could slow the switch snowballing?
>Saying Star Fox died so Metroid could live is like saying Wario Land is dead so Famicom Detective Club could live.
Retro pitched a fan wetdream game of Starfox and Nintendo shat zero and and left them with metroid for yet another fucking decade.


>Star Fox is dead because Zero bombed
Starfox is dead because command bomb, you still think Zero has any reevance and it doesn't because it has as much relevance as the bombshell Wii U.
>and nobody at EPD knows what to even do with the franchise and/or stretched thin resource wise concerning internal development
And this is what actually killed it way back when they gave it to Rareware and then commissioned Namco to make Assault before the adventure game "shiggy always wanted" even sold a copy.
Metroid Zero mission didn't even break a million, yeah it did worse than what it remade.
>Inb4 "starfox zero wasn't a remake/remaster/rewhatever"

>>715210784
>nobody at EPD knows what to even do with the franchise
Star Fox games have historically either been tech demos, or non-Star Fox games reskinned to boost sales.
Star Fox 1, 64, 3D, and Zero are tech demos.
Adventures and Command are reskinned games.

Assault is ironically the only original and standalone Star Fox game.

>>715212056
>Assault is ironically the only original and standalone Star Fox game.
I just want Assault 2. Is that really so much to ask?

>>715212056
Command was a reskinned game? Huh.

>>715170150 (OP)
cuz it doesn't do mario/tloz/ac/splatoon numbers dumbass niggar. it's a niche ip that does well enough to justify its existence and theres nothing wrong with that. next question.
btw prime 2 is such a fucking slog christ. i get backtracking is part of the series but this is just too much.

>>715170150 (OP)
Because it does not sell enough and it never will. For all the clones it has inspired, all the indie games in the genre and all the praise Hollow Knight got Metroidvanias will never ever be blockbusters. It's a fine series to invest in to round up their catalogue but it's never going to gain mass appeal and that's a good thing

>>715211628
>Retro pitched a fan wetdream game of Starfox
It was like one guy whose pitch was shelved immediately by Retro's leadership without Nintendo even seeing it.
Retro doesn't accept internal pitches from devs
>and left them with metroid for yet another fucking decade.
Because Bamco Singapore was doing a piss poor job with Prime 4 and Project Harmony went nowhere with its own mechanic from the Wii U days being incompatible with the Switch

>>715170150 (OP)
Get the nigga that made Samurai Jack and Primal and have him make a Metroid series with minimal dialogue and maximum action and atmosphere.

>>715212364
>It was like one guy whose pitch was shelved immediately by Retro's leadership without Nintendo even seeing it.
>Retro doesn't accept internal pitches from devs
Thank you for the AI fact check I suppose.

>Because Bamco Singapore was doing a piss poor job with Prime 4
You forgot to AI this one. Nintendo never even mentioned who was actually making it lol.

>>715212056
What about Star Fox 2?

>>715212656
I don't what it was about Samurai Jack, but that show always had this weird Metroid vibe to it, even when going to high-tech locations. It's something I always liked about the show.

>>715212793
Star fox 2 is a tech demo for starfox 64 LOL. It was made by argonaut and cancelled until the last 3 percent was finished by nintendo 20 years later.
Keep in mind every single one of these "tech demos" is demonstrating technology that wasn't Nintendo's.

>>715212656
Fuck that & fuck you

>>715212323
Filtered from the best 'troid

Ngmi

>>715212950
When I saw Samurai Jack and Primal back to back I knew I wanted tartowski or whatever the fuck to get his hands on Metroid one day. I know he could do it justice and it'd be a low risk way to expose the ip to new audiences or whatever that Nintendo strategy is. We know we're never getting a movie and the thought of live action is vomit inducing.

>>715208821
fusion was their second choice

https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Metroid_(MercurySteam_prototype)

>>715208905
that's not the point, xenoblade grew 100-200% on the switch versus what it was before whereas dread was only a 7% increase. Also: Dread was co-marketed and released alongside the OLED during a year/time with less competition

>>715212712
>Thank you for the AI fact check I suppose.
It was literally mentioned in the video that covered it to begin with straight from the guy who made the pitch
>You forgot to AI this one. Nintendo never even mentioned who was actually making it lol.
Doesn't change anything, Retro was given the task because whoever was doing Prime 4 wasn't doing a good job at it

>>715213028
>20 years later.
This was proven false by the Gigaleak. The game was finished and just never released, like Earthbound NES.

>>715212212
It was originally going to be the eighth game in the Bit Generation franchise, a Japan-only series of real-time puzzle games. Miyamoto approached them and said the series sucked and suggested they turn it into a Star Fox game. All of the map segments in Command are what the original game was going to be, with none of the shooting parts.

Fun Fact: the guy who was working on that Bit Generation game, Dylan Cuthbert, was coincidentally also the guy who helped developed Star Fox 1 and the sequel, Star Fox 2. Dude was actually really bright and half the SNES's tech advancements were thanks to him, like the SuperFX chip Star Fox 1 used for Mode 7.

>>715212793
>>715213028
Half original, half tech demo. Star Fox 2 was originally going to show off the SuperFX 2 chip, was hugely better than what the original Star Fox used. It gave you 30 FPS instead of 20 and clocked twice as fast as the original. Half the reason Star Fox 1 was a rail shooter was because the chip couldn't handle anything else, but the SFX2 didn't have that issue, and some early plans for Star Fox 2 included full-on 3D open world navigation and dungeon crawling to capitalize on that.

A small part of the reason it was cancelled (among several others) was because the SFX2 chip was way too expensive to produce, the thing was an actual beast for what the SNES had to work with.

>>715209432
This post was a real leak all along, since Switch 2 focuses in multiplayer experiences with GameChat.

>GOD TIER
Super
Dread

>Great Tier
Zero Mission
Prime 2

>Good Tier
Fusion
Prime 1

>Worthless Tier
everything else

I got a tech demo idea for a Star Fox game but I'll save it for a Star Fox thread. As for Metroid I hope Prime 2 gets a remaster with QoL features and some RTX to show off the new lighting engine.

I also think Harmony with an art style change to use RTX and someone with a vision for platformers could save it but the project is most likely destroyed by now.

>>715213452
>Retro was given the task because whoever was doing Prime 4 wasn't doing a good job at it
Retro was given the task because that's why they exist. It's the only reason they exist, other than DK and it seems Nintendo wanted their monkey back this time around. Sakamoto doesn't have anymore fanmemes left to cash after Dread, he's actually going to have to make something original now and they don't have the time. Retro are the only ones who can do it, and keep the bar of quality low enough for Nintendo to surpass in the future in they feel like it.

>>715213521
>This was proven false by the Gigaleak
It was proven false by the people who fucking emulated it in 2002, factbot.

>The game was finished and just never released, like Earthbound NES.
It was cancelled because they learned enough from Argonaut to finally make 1 launch title for the N64. They needed to look like they were competent so they need at least one more than one title the next year so SF2 was reused and scaled up so that they would have starfox 64, the second 1997 title to keep you waiting for a delayed OoT.

>>715213651
>Half original, half tech demo
All dualities are bullshit.
>Star Fox 2 was originally going to show off the SuperFX 2 chip, was hugely better than what the original Star Fox used. I
Which is once again not nintendo tech lol.
>It gave you 30 FPS instead of 20 and clocked twice as fast as the original. Half the reason Star Fox 1 was a rail shooter was because the chip couldn't handle anything else, but the SFX2 didn't have that issue, and some early plans for Star Fox 2 included full-on 3D open world navigation and dungeon crawling to capitalize on that.
>When your "tech demo" is negating your own tech and replacing it with other companies tech.
Dead or alive, you're coming with me.

>>715214249
It was apparently supposed to incorporate the Game Pad's mic.
That makes a lot more sense when you realize the time and context it was being made in.
Retro didn't use the Wii U's gimmick for Tropical Freeze and Nintendo themselves were scrambling to figure out what to do to justify said gimmick.
So when the Switch lacked a mic what was the point of even continuing?
I don't care for Harmony itself but I am sad it was never finished because I strongly want Retro to carve its own identity past Nintendo's already made catalog.
It also might've actually been the team's attempt at a Zelda style game if that test level is any indication of the thought process behind development

>>715214202
ZM and prime 3 are much better than fusion

>>715214464
The prototype build that people played in 2002, despite being near final, was still pretty different from the final game. It's the reason why people thought that "the last 3 percent was finished by nintendo 20 years later." in the first place. It wasn't until the Gigaleak that we knew for sure.
Also ironic that you're calling me a factbot.

>>715213384
There are alot of factors to consider why something like FE & XB became as successful as they are. Anime has exploded in popularity.

"Netflix reports 50% of its global users watch anime."

- 150M households
- Anime viewership tripled in 5 years

Complex games have gotten more attention over time.

Laymen genre: platformer, adventure game, shooter, open world

Complex: srpg, mmo

If anything FE & XE will grow over time. It's "weeb normie" core.

Nintendo prides itself on having a variety of experiences & genres. Which is why none of them will outright die even if a game underperforms (except chibi-robo)

Smash bros also did way more heavy lifting than anyone gives credit for. (Fe & Xeno) I can only assume the same when the next one inevitably arrives.

And hopefully Sylux, Ravenbeak or a new Samus being included can help Metroid in that same way.

>>715214572
Switch 2 has a built in mic. But I think Metroid Prime 2 Remaster would be the better choice to show off RTX tech.

>>715211628
This is schizobable

>>715170903
Japan loves Dark Souls and Monster Hunter you fucking retard. Both hostile worlds populated my murderous slaughterbeasts.

>>715170150 (OP)
Metroid being a B-tier Nintendo franchise is the best thing about it
>Popular enough to appear in crossovers and get new games
>Not popular enough for them to pump massive budgets into it that it doesn't need, requiring more sales for it to be a success
>Doesn't get mangled into something its not to appeal to the greater masses who have shit taste

>>715210083
Star Fox 64 in Star Fox adventures are the only Canon games. I mean, assault isn't really a bad game. Just has a bad story. Combat isn't that great? It's a masterpiece compared to that piece of shit game. Platinum had to commission for Nintendo.

>>715187587
Metroid does work best with a minimal of bullshit.
Feels like the more story/drama/dialogue they try to inject, the more they automatically become worse.

>>715183596
One game is hardly an average

>>715214862
>The prototype build that people played in 2002, despite being near final, was still pretty different from the final game. It's the reason why people thought that "the last 3 percent was finished by nintendo 20 years later." in the first place.
Whoa, you don't say. Okay so maybe 2 percent then?
>It wasn't until the Gigaleak that we knew for sure.
>Also ironic that you're calling me a factbot.
How? Oh I'm sorry was it "4 percent"? Oh my god that's right, it had the incomplete avatars of sheepbabes and other hot talking animals so how am I gonna possibly quantify that?

>>715215059
And now the anti assault fag is joining the gaslight. Hope you brought your torch.

>>715214878
I don't think Metroid will die, I'm just responding to "best selling games in the series" for the switch not really meaning a lot without context.

I also think Prime 4 will shatter Dread's sales unless it's a huge bomb but we'll see

>ravenbeak
one and done, he's not doing anything

>>715170150 (OP)
other m killed the Metroid golden age we had since prime released. they were obviously scared of another failure so they let the series fade for a bit. shame that they followed it up with nothing but garbage. mercury steam's output is nothing but indie tier garbage, a far cry if what the series used to be and deserves

>>715211628
>Which means nothing, it's the same company you jackwagon.
And people in the same company do different things
Metroid's future isn't up to the people who are in charge of fucking Animal Crossing

>>715215172
Oh, I take it back. You like listing shit off like a factbot but you're just an idiot. Let me spoonfeed you just this once.
The entire source code for Star Fox 2 was found in the Gigaleak. The final release version of the game, not the various prototypes leading up to it that had incomplete avatars of sheepbabes and other hot talking animals.
It was dated September 1995. The game was complete. All Nintendo had to do for it's release on SNES Mini was make sure their emulator could run it.

>>715206660
>its pic related
Ruined.

>>715215194
I am curious how 4 will sell. I'm more curious to see if it's any good if I'm honest.

Not exactly wow'd by what I've seen so far. Seems pretty standard outside the vagina aesthetic.

>>715216079
4 might get a boost being a cross-gen title. I think we'll get a direct for Prime 4 before release.

>>715215047
Metroid is in the sweet spot. Even more than something like 3D Mario, Zelda or DK.

Mario & Zelda take the better half of a decade or more to develop. And it's not even always satisfactory to every fan.

Donkey Kong has been rotting in a pit until recently. Hopefully they don't do it again for another full 11+ years

>>715214827
prime 3 is absolute crap

>>715207865
>Sony hasn't done as much damage to the industry than valve
how? there's nothing wron with the system they put in place. some dude will buy a billion keys for lootboxes and then sell all the common ones for pennies while making most of his money from the rare ones. this means that the average player can get the silly hat he wants and whales can get the rare shit they want without opening too many boxes
the fact that lesser companies ripped them off but didnt implement trading or selling isnt really their fault. plus you're delusional if you think they were waiting for valve to find more ways to monetize their games

>>715215652
>All Nintendo had to do for it's release on SNES Mini was make sure their emulator could run it.
All Nintendo had to do was release it on the actual SNES LOL. But they didn't. Probably for the reasons I stated about them having absolutely nothing for their new console.

>>715216079
Really? I think everything looks great so far, granted they've shown us very little. My only concern is that the intro is more like prime 3 rather than 1/2 but unlike 3 it's over very quick so it's not that big of a deal

>>715216898
fusion is total shit, regardless of prime 3's absolute quality, the relative quality is higher than fusion

>>715214951
>Switch 2 has a built in mic.
True but I doubt they're go back to it
It's likely all been destroyed (IIRC gigaleak only concerned EAD/EPD type stuff) and the leak wouldn't have helped its chances anyways
The gimmick wasn't working on Wii U so why would it work on Switch 2?

>>715194153
so just keep playing super
and stop pretending you would play anything else

>>715219821
The mic on Switch 2 has noise cancelling wbich would make your vocals clearer. I'd imagine the mic would be used in a new Brain Age game for Switch 2 or Warioware.

We should have gotten a proper boss fight with it.

>>715219604
low IQ

>>715195809
I would also like to have body condom sex with the dread suit.
You know what, regular power suit sex as well. She just needs to take off the codpiece.

Primefags deserve it for crying about Tropical Freeze. Better buy Prime 4 no matter how bad it turns out.

>>715221040
fusion was made for low IQ retards who got lost in super, yes

>>715170150 (OP)
I would love a luigis mansion or metroid horror thing for universal's halloween horror nights.

>>715221554
I can almost guarantee a Luigis Mansion ride is in the cards for an expansion considering how popular the land is at Universal.

>>715221554
After Zelda Metroid will most likely be in the US park next. Animal Crossing would be exclusive to Japan.

Nothing wrong with being a tier-3 bro

>>715221428
reminder that you are saying this while defending prime 3

>>715221694
Metroid is not getting its own section of the park. A HHN maze like >>715221554 said at most, but not an entire section of the park.

>>715221789
I might need to give other XBC games a chance. Hard to be a fan of series with one great game, that being XBC2.

>>715197053
Looks like shit. Not even the right amount of fingers. Pick up a pencil you mook.

>>715221809
I am defending prime 3 against fushit, I acknowledge prime 3 a weaker game in comparison to its predecessors but it's not a total joke like fusion

>>715209432
Anything really, my headcanon is that the entirety of Metroid lore takes place in like a year. She's a bounty hunter so it's not like every game is some "huge" undertaking for her where she needs to recuperate. Just move away from the Chozo shit and introduce new things. Literally introduce new factions/planets/races and do something there.

>>715221789
Fire Emblem fans act like their franchise is ignored by Nintendo when they're literally more spoiled than Mario fans. They get at least two new mainline installments per console

>>715212656
Genndy is an even bigger hack than Sakamoto.

>>715222292
>but it's not a total joke
lol

>>715170150 (OP)
>Why doesn't Nintedo treat Metroid as a elite series?
Because it isn't.

>>715222870
>Literally nobody was talking about FE
>"AHHHHHH FIRE EMBLEM FANS ACTING UPPITY"
Take a bath stinky.

>>715220795
But would it be fun

I was going to complain about Miyamoto favoritism but then I realized Miyamoto is literally the only reason Pikmin wasn't buried alive and forgotten after the first game.

>>715170150 (OP)
Serious question anyone else think that Nintendo is on the verge of royally fucking up Metroid? And I mean worse than Other M.

Nintendo doesn't feel like they are fighting modern political correctness hard enough which is how we got that shitty bitch version of Peach Mario Odyssey rejecting Mario after the man has spent forty years rescuing her worthless no ass. So Samus who is more gun ho about being a Girl Boss could be in for a huge Feminist disaster. And frankly same to Legend of Zelda. I don't trust modern Nintendo.

>>715170150 (OP)
Fans don't treat it as an elite series.
>they didn't buy Metroid until Dread

>>715223391
Pikmin's popularity is so fake. No one gives a fuck about those ugly looking characters. There is no fandom for Pikmin and suspect Nintendo is cooking the books about Pikmin's success.

>>715223541
>Peach Mario Odyssey rejecting Mario after the man has spent forty years rescuing her worthless no ass
I mean, there's also the fact that she was probably stressed out of her mind from forcibly traveling all over the world with him as he got more serious about marrying her this time, and even went to the goddamn moon against her will, but I guess that context isn't *that* important, is it?

>>715223713
Pikmin's popularity is real, especially in Japan but merch is the main source of it's popularity

>>715223059
>Literally nobody was talking about FE
I know. I'm talking about Fire Emblem because it was in that image with Xenoblade and Metroid. I'm saying it's not a tier-3 series because it's treated a hundred times better than Metroid is, but FE fans will act like they're on life support.

>>715170785
Metroid is a western series because it's made by westerns.
It's barely a Nintendo series anymore when all of it's games are currently made by a spanish team and a british team.

>>715223391
Pikmin alone is the only reason I don't despise that man. His overall attitude and philosophy regarding games is so bizarre to me. It's like he only wants all games to be a 7/10, play it once and forget about it, experience

>>715195095
I have that Link plushie and I hate the flappy legs.
If your plushie can't fucking sit then actually fill the fucking legs.

>>715223987
At this point? Yeah, it isn't. Niether, is Metroid. No franchise in that image is on "life-support" and hasn't for a while, it wasn't even that long ago since Dread released, or the Prime 1 remake so I don't know what you're bitching about.

... and that's why all we ever need of Metroid are fan remakes and hacks, like we're already used to.

>>715223893
it's not, pikmin is pushed HARD, harder than any other series proportionally because miyamoto has a boner for it for some reason. Compare it to equivalent series like metroid, FE, and xenoblade, it gets FAR more exposure

>>715224220
Really because the obsession with making pikmin a big seller ruined the series. 3 was already casualized compared to 1/2 and 4 is a total joke

>>715223987
You seem to be misunderstanding what "tier-3" means in this context. It's not that its neglected, it's that its simply not on the same level as something like Kirby or Splatoon, which are tier-2, tier 1 would obviously be your Marios and Zeldas

But none of those franchises are neglected right now

>>715223640
dread's sales are close to prime and NEStroid

>>715224582
No it most definitely is popular there, same with Splatoon. I've been there and seen it first hand.

The most shocking thing about dread to me is how it literally just continues the story from Fusion. No retcon, soft reboot, or flashback, just literally continues the story 19 years later. Adam and X-Parasites? These are just part of the game now.

The Zelda timeline is basically just fanservice and meaningless, but Metroid's story has literally been slowly progressing since the '80s.

>>715224798
I think that's why I gravitated towards Metroid more than Zelda, especially after they just said "Fuck it" with BotW. It's pretty clear that some teams don't give a fuck about the lore of their games (coughDKBananzacough), so it's cool to see that the Metroid teams still do

>>715199589
>Pooh > Mickey
what the fuck

>>715224798
>no retcon
bro dread's entire premise is based off a retcon from fusion, samus isn't supposed to have metroid DNA after she absorbs the SA-X.

Then there's the fact that dread completely ignored all the stuff about the galactic federation fusion/other M was building towards (not a bad thing this shit sucked)

>>715170150 (OP)
OP this is a dumb thread. I love Metroid its my favorite Nintendo franchise but it just does not sell the numbers that an elite franchise sells. Its actually one of Nintendo's lowest draws. The wrestling equivalent of being known as dimeless. Mario draws, Pokemon draws, even Animal Crossing is a huge draw now. But Metroid is basically the opening act or maybe even dark match material at this point.

Sucks I know but it is what it is. On the bright side though Dread is the best selling game in the franchise and it does seem like the franchise grew thanks to the Switch's immense popularity. We need to hope Prime 4 Beyond sells so that they won't just shelve the series again for decades.

>>715224287
The last 15 years of FE was
>4 new mainline titles
>2 spin offs
>1 remake
Pretty solid line-up

The last 15 years of Metroid was
>2 new mainline titles (But one was Other M)
>2 remakes
>1 spinoff (But it was Federation Force)
So in other words, literally one new game that wasn't dogshit. I'm bitching that the worse disgaea series gets more attention from Nintendo

>>715224798
>cares about story
>why is story shit now
Anon, you are why.
The story should be get power ups, kill aliens.

>>715225015
>little bro malding about autistic shit like this
crazy

>>715225062
I want to hope it'll sell fine, especially the Switch 2 version with its enhancements, but it's definitely got a lot of factors that could fuck it up (then again, one could have said that about the Switch 2 and even Mario Kart World, but those still did fine)

>>715225117
Federation Force wasn't a bad game though

>>715225015
>Then there's the fact that dread completely ignored all the stuff about the galactic federation fusion/other M was building towards (not a bad thing this shit sucked)
I think Sakamoto or whoever was in charge of writing it recognized that they kinda wrote themseves into a corner with this.

>>715225409
From what I have seen of the game it looks great. I want nothing more than for this series to become as popular as Zelda which considering its a nice contrast to Zelda I think this would be fantastic if it somehow could sell 30+ million units with some sort of a breakout hit game. But this is just not likely at all. For some reason this series just never resonated with people and I seen some anons speculate that Samus being female likely played a part but who knows for sure.

>>715225694
>popular as Zelda
>no doubt meaning a Metroid movie would be much more likely to be made
You really don't want that monkey paw to curl, man

>>715170150 (OP)
>Why doesn't Nintedo treat Metroid as a elite series?
Because one failure is enough to make Nintendo lose their entire faith in a series and drop it. Earthbound sold poorly in its initial release, and fans had to beg to get it releasedd on virtual console for years. Starfox had one bad game, and they put it to pasture. Fire Emblem was treated as a main pillar in the 3DS era, and it was treated like a joke during the Switch. Metroid had other M which caused them to lose faith in the series for almost 2 decades despite it being a pillar once too.

>>715225506
not really, they could have done a lot of shit. Instead they largely ignored fusion and just went with the elements samus returns introduced (chozo thoha/mawkin stuff)

>>715226117
>Starfox had one bad game
Three bad games in a row, actually.
>Assault
>Command
>Zero

>>715226117
>starfox had one bad game
star fox had one GOOD game

>>715170795
>theoretically should appeal to 10 to 13 year old boys.
The problem here is that nobody makes things specifically aimed at boys anymore.

>>715226117
>Fire Emblem was treated as a main pillar in the 3DS era, and it was treated like a joke during the Switch
they made two mainline games and a spinoff. what's up with FE fans acting like their franchise isn't constantly milked?

>>715177186
This could be fixed if Nintendo actually invested in rated M games to an extent. Metroid is obviously pretty much played only by an older audience, so they need to adjust accordingly. Zelda could also be edit from a more grittier form of storytelling that a rated M game would allow. Instead we get a niche game like fucking Emio.

>>715226263
Why do people on this board pretend that Assault was bad?

>>715225015
Pretty sure this is a mistranslation given that it didn't state what Sakamoto actually said about Metroid ever coming to the PS2, he said that was as likely as Samus ever being a transsexual. I remember someone saying the actual translation stated that the SA-X just made Samus's Metroid DNA go dormant but didn't get rid of it.

>>715226329
>star fox had one GOOD game
Three good games in a row, actually
>Star Fox
>Star Fox 64
>Star Fox Adventures
The streak becomes four if you count Star Fox 2 as well.

>>715226345
Two spinoffs actually.

>>715226545
You forgot Assault

>>715226421
>67 on metacritic
>Why do people on this board pretend that Assault was bad?

>>715226531
I hear this cope all the time but have never actually got a confirmation

>>715226545
adventures isn't good and 64 is just a rehash of SNES (as is zero except worse)

>>715223391
Miyamoto autism is the reason we got metroid prime

>>715226602
>Metacritic
You mean the site that is wrong 70% of the time? Go back.

Because Metroid Dread sold less than a remake of a 1996 game featuring an irrelevant puppet (according to vtards)

>>715226713
>metacritic is wrong

Are you clinically retarded?

>>715226779
No, I'm not the one taking rating sites as gospel.

What would a Metroid ride even look like? Like Mario and Donkey Kong all have concepts that can easily be turned into rides. But Metroid doesn't.

>>715226713

>>715226913
Laser tag

>>715226913
like ridley's boss fight in norion

>>715226421
Because it was. Multiplayer was fun but the campaign was weak and linear

>>715227091
I'm sure the other 2 people agree with you

>>715226880
It's an aggregate of the ratings, so its an irrefutable truth of the time is that it got pretty mixed ratings. It also didn't sale particularly well. You are getting caught up trying to talk about "objectively" whether the game is good or not, when that doesn't matter. It didn't sell well, it didn't review well -- that's all Nintendo is going to care about. They aren't trying to make cult classics.

>>715226913
The people have forgotten about Metroid Blast

>>715226963
This, but imo it shouldn't be normal laser tag. I like the idea of it being a stealth kind of mission that you can win, but you fail if your hp depletes to 0. Would also be kino if they manage to convincgly make the place look like you're actually in a space station, and you can see stars and planets.

>>715226703
prime was the last time he was a god, even if he wasn't THAT involved with it. Pikmin made him a bit retarded then wii music fried his brain

>>715227169
Probably. Game flopped because only 3 people bought the game

>>715227698
I still don't know how Miyamoto went from being the king of innovation to the king of rehashes. Man should've retired years ago.