Thread 715185643

Are you excited to OWN your games again?

>>715185643 (OP)
Reminder this will make cloud gaming legally impossible

>>715185685
good

>>715185685
I can only sign the petition once you know

>>715185685
not true

You realize every game will be f2p just to circumvent this right?

>>715185685
Darn. I was hoping to play more Kingdom Hearts on the switch.

>>715185685
i signed this petition and i only single player story games. fuck corporations, this is reason enough for me

>>715185685
God you people are so fucking stupid

>>715185685
you don't know what cloud gaming is

>>715185872
literally same

>>715185643 (OP)
we did it, reddit!

>>715185643 (OP)
no I still use steam

you can't convince me the average /v/ user doesn't actually know what this issue is about and doesn't hold a position one way or the other purely based on which one they were sold as the right option by the collective to attach their personal sense of identity to

>>715185685
I already signed the petition anon (in spirit because being a burger is having no consumer rights)

>>715185685
Y'know I wasn't going to sign the petition because I don't care but this post made me change my mind

>>715185872
based

>>715185685
hell yeah

>>715185643 (OP)
I knew it was all e-celeb bullshit, /v/ is full of e-celeb drones.

>>715185952
You mean like every "divisive" topic on 4chan?

>>715185838
It applies to F2P too dumb dumb

>>715185643 (OP)
nuke the eu
nuke china
nuke russia
nuke iran
nuke palestine
and nuke all their allies

>>715185643 (OP)
>call commies
>owning things
choose one

>>715186156
>nuke palestine
This is based because it would wipe out israel too

>>715185685
>subscription services like Netflix will shut down
>Valve too
doubt it

>>715185685
fucking based, hopefully gachas die next

>>715185685
You are either dumb as dirt or a disingenuous shithead. When you sign up for a game streaming subscription, you are paying for the ability to stream games, you're not purchasing those games directly.
What the petition is looking to protect is the direct purchase of games that are multiplayer only or always online in some other fashion. By having the developer support in some way the ability to play those games after they've stopped supporting them, usually by allowing users to host private servers themselves.

cock and balls.

>>715185685
god i wish

>>715185643 (OP)
gonna buy 10 digital copies of owning nothing tomorrow thanks

>>715186104
option a) everything will be a monthly subscription
option b) multiplayer geo-blocked in commie EU

and now repeat: "THANK YOU GREAT EU LEADER"

>>715185685
I kneel

>>715186340
dumbo, gachas are online which means this shit actually makes gacha stay longer in float

>>715185643 (OP)
You NEVER owned games. You were always buying a temporary subscription access that would expire at the owner's discretion.

>>715186372
>the WEF will help us avoiding WEF goals
You will own nothing and you are retarded enough to live in the EU.

>>715185685
God I wish. But it likely won't.

>>715185952
I genuinenly don't think the people against skg are being honest lmao. They're just shitposting because the shit they come up with are always peak retardation lol

I like to remind everyone again that pic related indirectly prove SKG's point and that companies and devs that claim otherwise are full of shit

>>715186482
So a copy of Ultima 4 on floppy disks is just a glorified license.

>>715185685
Nope. Cloud gaming could still survive through a subscription business model, which is what everybody wants anyways. SKG is only a thing because the one-time purchase gives people the false impression that their access to the game should not be revoked. SKG instead straight up said stuff like WoW and most MMOs are okay because they are up front about the limited access through the timed subscription model.

>>715185643 (OP)
Why does everyone think the petition is the last step of this?

>>715185685
Why didn't you say so earlier? I'm signing this shit right now!

>>715186634
Yes. If the IP owner declared your license of access expired, you would be legally obligated to destroy those floppy disks.

>>715185685
You LOVE to see it

>>715186626
>The game with swimsuit Roll flaunting her puffy vulva will save gaming
Absolute kino

>>715186482
My Sierra Online physical boxes say I own them lmao
cope Steam cattle

>>715186346
>cock and balls.
alright you've convinced me. signing the petition now

>>715186401
Just like steam refunds right? Lol cope

>>715185643 (OP)
stopkillinggames has zero to do with ownership

>>715186721
And where is this legality? The EULA? How about I just don't destroy the thing I own.

>>715186652
>one-time $30 purchase bad
>$10/month good

>>715186771
What is a online physical box? Where does the online come into play?

imagine actually thinking a bunch of online autists signing a digital petition will actually make governments work for them against the most profitable entertainment industries every conceived

Games will only be published through a Game Pass, so you will never own them. Get fucked

>>715185952
The average /v/ user is for it because they want to feel like they're part of something or against it because it's extremely easy to troll all the people who take online petitions way too seriously.

>>715186786
>Thank you great EU leader, that I can refund sometimes for the first 2 hours if I'm lucky.
Game crashes after 3 hours
Gabe laughs in your face

>>715186810
>what you mean i don't own my hotel room?
you people are literal toddlers

>>715185872
Reasonable.

>>715186952
Lol seething jeet

>>715186901
Worth a try at least. Even if the petition 100% fails because corpos run everything, we'll at least know consumers have no rights.

>>715185643 (OP)
This isn't what the initiative is going to do.

>>715185685
BASED BASED BASED

>>715185685
>reminder this will make games easier to pirate
i already signed the damn thing you didn't need to convince me.

>>715186652
>their access to the game should not be revoked.
correct, purchased occured, the copy is mine in a playable state in perpetuity.

>>715186771
Nope. If the IP owner declared your licenses invalid, you would be legally required to destroy all those physical boxes and disks. You do not pay for ownership, you pay for access.

>>715186881
Zoomer doesn't know Sierra
Everything laugh at this retarded fuck

>>715186969
>What do you mean your burning my house down?
Gee, I wonder why people have an issue with that.

>>715186909
its this. same kind of shit happened with loot boxes. governments got involved so corpos just replaced loot boxes with season passes and now every fucking game has to have a battle pass

>>715187034
>you just must
show me the signatures that were demanded on a legal contract prior physical purchase
>but it's a digital download on Steam
only plebs do that

>>715186104
It doesn't, retard. It only applies to games they sell you as a service and you mistakenly buy as a product.

>>715187006
literally the only way to win is not buy their trash and do nothing.

posted with no further comment

ever since this guy god slammed i haven't encountered any "intellectuals" pretending to know shit. it's like they all saw what happens when you overextend. the world is healing.

>>715187105
>I paid once for this prositute
>I deserve her pussy for the next 500 years

WE NEED TO GO BACK TO FUCKING CDS
I MEAN NO CDS BECAUSE IT'S VERY LIMITING IN CASE YOU GAME WEIGHTS 100+GB WHICH IS A STANDARD NOW
WE NEED A NEW WAY TO STORAGE GAMES NOT ON CD NOT ON PENDRIVE ETC. FUCK BLUE RAY WE NEED SOMETHING NEW WHERE IS THE FUCKING TECHNOLOGY WHERE IS THE PROGRESS?????????????????????

>>715186857
Correct. A one time $30 purchase is not as good for the economy as a $10/month subscription. That is why everything is moving to the subscription model.

>>715187105
In this analogy, you do not own the house. It is perfectly legal and valid for the actual owner of the house (the IP owner) to burn down the house to deny you access to something you do not own.

>>715187167
Your purchase of the box and opening it was you giving consent to the terms of your license of access.

>>715187034
Basically this. It would be fun if the law get passed exactly for this purpose and fuck skg faggots

>videogames now will come with a DRM that destroys the data when the license is over

>>715187293
>you signed a contract by opening a box
lmao, nope
show me the signature, retarded Steamie
you agreed to being a subscriber, I didn't.

>>715187293
You posting in this thread is you giving consent for me to fuck your ass

>>715187034
>If the IP owner declared your licenses invalid, you would be legally required to destroy all those physical boxes and disks
I'd like to see this one go to court.

>>715187280
How about an SD card?

>>715187308
based
>but but you can't do that
Valve is doing it all the time
- give them money for games for computer X
- a few years later
- Steam will stop working on computer X
- money literally stolen
>this is okay, because why wouldn't you want to buy computer Y??? are you poor???

Steamies are literally retarded.
>are you poor? why don't you buy The Crew 2 then?
>no, no, no, this is something completely different
It's exactly the same, sheeple.

What Ross and his turbo retards fans dont understand is that the videogame data and the license to allow you to use it are different things. If you have a WoW installation in your PC and your membership runs out, you cant play the game. Cry about it

>>715186626
This game is also the proof that it's totally acceptable to charge for access to the game after the game shuts down.

>>715185685
GOOD

>>715185643 (OP)

you are going to be free.

>>715185685
Who makes these posts? Is it shitposters farming (You)s? Is it shills who unironically think (were told) this is even remotely a bad thing?

>>715185643 (OP)
that shit is hilarious. fuck PirateSoftware. industry plant ass nigga.

>>715185685
how? nothing about the initiative demands devs support something forever.

from what i understand, the demand is just that instead of deleting valued entertainment forever, they have to give the keys to the community in some meaningful way that allows them to open source their own, new way of interacting with that same entertainment medium. in practice it wouldn't look much different than private servers for shut down MMOs, or that one FPS/RTS hybrid Command & Conquer game that would've died when GameSpy shut down if not for the community being able to sew together a new multiplayer situation. the devs can still bail on the product, they just wouldn't be allowed to be lazy about it. no more just hitting a big 'delete for everyone, forever' button at HQ when they're ready to shut down a game.

>>715187502
SD cards suck
How about you demand that your EU forces everyone to stay below 1 GB, for climate change or some other retarded psyop

>>715187406
>>715187461
>>715187484
>A shrink-wrap license is a type of software license that is printed on the outside of a software package. By opening the package, the buyer becomes legally bound to abide by the terms of the license. The license usually seeks to prohibit users from making unauthorized copies of the software, limit use of the software to one computer, and disclaim warranties.

>>715185685
Ano i already support skg, dont need to convice me.

>>715187626
show me the signature, lawyer scum.
if you can't, I will shoot your ass for trespassing.

>>715185643 (OP)
Isn't this whole thing about making sure games have backups when EoS hits them? Were people going around saying this is about ownership?

american corporations unironically think they can fuck with us lmfao

>>715187626
>send letter to lawyer
>lawyer opens it
>lawyer is now legally bound to give 100 trillion US dollarinos to me

inb4
>no, that doesn't count
it's a shrink-wrap contract, which the idiot signed

>>715186771
Why do you have witchhaven, blood 2 and morrowind? Those all suck.

>>715185685
keep going im close...

>>715187626
Not legally binding in the civilized world.

>>715185685
damn

i wish i was EVROPEAN so i could sign the petition after reading this

The one thing I concede to SKG is that consumers are being potentially misinformed as to what they are purchasing.

You have never owned games. You have always been paying for a subscription of access, with a single large payment at the start of the subscription rather than a series of smaller payments at regular time intervals.

>What about the loicense though? You agreed to a loicense
Why are americans like this?

>YOU SHOULD NOT SUPPORT SKG, BECAUSE... BECAUSE LAWYERS WILL FIND A 5D CHESS GOTCHA AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS (C)(TM)(R) SO YOU SHOULD DO NOTHING OK!!!
I signed.

>sire we caught americans again trying to sell nothing
>bring them forward so they can be judged

>>715187556
Game was F2P to begin with, so if gacha suckers threw down $400 on the live game then paying $30 for it is nothing for them.

>>715187754
Isn't the guy with the UK flag the last tzar of Russia?

>>715187936
the jews have been assraping americans for generations, they just dont know any better and get offended when someone offers them anything different

>>715187919
>You have never owned games.
factually incorrect.

>>715188015
Nope, that's George. But yes, Nicky and George (and Will) did look a lot alike due to all being cousins.

The only thing this petition will cause is that now games will need to have a label in the package that says "THIS GAME MAY STOP WORKING AFTER END OF SERVICE" This will make the online-only games legally legitimate and all of games will start using the label.

>>715185685
thats the best thing ever

>>715188015
no, that's his cousin (yes they were cousins)

>>715188104
As previously stated, if the IP owner demanded it, you would be legally obligated to destroy those physical copies. You own a license of access to the IP that can be revoked at any time by the real IP owner, not the IP.

So are games just not a good now? Will movies and music also start to be services where the band can come and snap your CDs in half?

>>715188104
THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD ON THOSE VIDEO GAMES ENDED IN 2006 DESTROY THEM RIGHT NOWW

>>715188215
BS
first sale doctrine
go fuck yourself

>>715185685
Uhmm based?

>>715187992
>the trial

>>715188015
George V

>>715188104
NOOOOOO THOSE GAMES AREN'T BEING SOLD ANYMORE SO YOU MUST DESTROY THEM! THEY'RE NOT YOURS YOU FILTHY COMMIE!
DESTROY THEM NOW NOW NOW!

>>715188215
>The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner.

>>715188259
Nope. First sale doctrine means that you have a right to sell, display, or destroy your license, it does not prevent the copyright owner from asserting their right to invalidate your license.

>>715188159
Here's your (You).

>>715188173
and the Kraut one
>WWI started as a family feud of inbreeding and memory holes of which cousin you fucked gens ago
lmaoooo

>captcha:GRVYWAR
Groovy

>>715188473
>your license
my physical copy of games
cope Steam cattle

>>715185685
based

>another eceleb thread
Yikes! The mods need to know about this.

>>715188464
There's nothing in there that prevents the IP owner from invalidating your copy of the license.

>>715188536
Your "physical copy" is only a license of access. You would be legally required to destroy those physical copies if directed to by the IP owner.

>>715185685
Oh no!

>>715185685
Don't threaten me with good time.

>>715188323
That head does have quite the air sucker. I see now why americans are so worried about this.

>>715188473
Licence =/= Physical copy

>>715187036
Rude :c

>>715188613
ok schizo

>>715187994
It being F2P or how much people spent on it is irrelevant, the fact that matters is that it's acceptable that they charge you money to access the game again

>>715188613
nope, stop making things up steamie cattle
my physical copy is a physical copy of a game, that I own. I can sell it.

I wasn't retarded and agreed to being a subscriber on Steam.

>>715188473
The first-sale doctrine creates a basic exception to the copyright holder's distribution right. Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit.

>>715188015
George and Nicky looked so similar that they once dressed up as each other at a party lol

>>715187280
>NOT ON PENDRIVE
Why? Just shape them like tiny cartridges, and we'll have a perfectly soulful, and easy to keep physical library

Seriously, why are there niggers pushing for physical ownership to die?
>"YOU NEVER OWNED ANYTHING!"
This is completely incorrect. Prior to 2008 any and all physical media was completely owned by the person who purchased it.
Even with licensing laws put into place to argue against physical owners, if you own a physical copy of a game and you have the receipt from your purchase - you own that video game. You can even make digital copies of any physical game you own, to this day, so long as the physical file is for personal home use and you have proof of purchase.
Anybody saying otherwise is buttfuck retarded.
I don't know where these zoomers and gen alphaers come from that try to explain this to us shit we grew up with. Fucking morons man.

>>715185685
How many leaps in logic did you take to reach that conclusion? You're not making any sense whatsoever.

>>715188893
Everyone now repeat:

THANK YOU VALVE FOR MAKING ME A SUBSCRIBER

>>715188979
>Uses GOG
not my problem.

>>715186482
Yeah they tried that with books, and were told to get fucked. Your EULA is already null. You're operating on flimsy circuit court case law that hasn't been tried for anything close to this.

>>715188215
unless the IP holder is gonna send someone to my house to verify i destroyed it, they can suck my dick. LOL

>>715188893
Their jewish masters profit more if you don't own anything. They're ready to put their foreskin on the line and go to war against basic consumer rights if that benefits their jewish overlords.

>>715188215
Not in real countries with real laws, mud boy.

>>715188893
Even if that were true, that would be a legal mistake that would need to be corrected by future laws.

>>715189093
They can't even legally do it >>715188805

>>715186857
>one time purchase of nothing and is revoked five seconds after you violate wef diversity guidlines.

>>715185685
The fuck are you on about? Cloud gaming is usually either completely free or a monthly service.

>>715185643 (OP)
desu i don't think the EU will do anything, because they have a horrible track record with these petitions actually resulting in meaningful legislation even when they get the 1 million signatures
the european comission is currently being sued because of their lack of action on a petition that got the required signatures in 2018.

>>715189085
Not that much better
>filthy downloader with no rights, but at least computer that they were bought on can't get bricked remotely

>>715189391
As much as I would love to have physical games again, it just doesn't happen anymore. That or it's cucked by a steam download code that makes the physical copy just a box anyway.

>>715189320
Most of the petitions that failed were completely retarded. And EU is a trade union, most of the failed petitions were in the realm of "make abortions illegal!" or "make abortions legal!".

I am so glad physical is dying because eventually it will force you all to understand that you do not own games, books, movies, TV shows, music. You purchase a license of access, and the IP owner can and should have the private property right to invalidate licenses at their discretion.

>>715186949
option 1: instead of EOS we can still play the game offline on private servers
option 2: publishers are discouraged from making GAAS to one degree or another
option 3: they find a loophole and turn everything into a subscription, ending games ownership so i can opt out of the industry for good and work on that 1000+ games backlog while it all burns down

each option is better than the previous one desu

>>715189549
you fucked it up by complying with (((Valve)))

>>715189697
I own thousands of DVDs, blu-rays and physical games. You can suck my dick, just like your mother.
>but they will only grant you access to modern woke games on Steam-slop
why would I care?

you come to these peoples village as a trader of games. how do you calmly explain to them that you are selling them something which physically isn't there ie nothing without being raped and beheaded

>>715189707
>ending game ownership
>le good
>thanks great EU

>>715185685
blah blah blah stfu I don't care

>>715188893
>You can even make digital copies of any physical game you own, to this day, so long as the physical file is for personal home use and you have proof of purchase.
But you must delete that copy in 24 hours.

>>715189885
I grow a santa beard, get fat and pretend to be their friend by releasing walking simulators.

>>715185685
Anons are right that it wont kill the idea of cloud gaming itself
BUT it WILL kill the theoretical future many of those corpofuckers were proposing with all games becoming cloud-based.

>>715185685
K
K
K
NIGGER

>>715186302
>valve is subscription service, like netflix
Console cucks actually think this huh?
No retard, you are confusing Steam with Gamepass or your PSN account.

>>715190058
>they will shut down subscriptions
yay, Steam will die.

>>715185643 (OP)
it will be so funny when nothing happens and thor wins again

I concede that the "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" could have been phrased better. The concept is more "you'll be happy because you'll own nothing." You're all so angry about SKG because you refuse to grow up and give up your strange attachments to the concept of "ownership."

>IP holders can just destroy art because they own the IP
Why is this allowed?

>>715190171
Steam isn't a subscription service.

>>715189885
Just use religion and faith to their detriment. It just works.

>>715190262
Private property rights, which I may remind you is the foundation of civilization. If you take away the right of the IP holder to destroy art, you are undermining all civilization.

Always-Online will be illegal in your lifetime.

yes I am very excited that the government is gonna have full control over my games
yippie!

>>715190167
>think this
you didn't read what you signed, you stupid cattle?
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

it literally says "I AGREE THAT i'M A SUBSCRIBER WITH NO RIGHTS"

>>715190262
>Banksy destroys his own artwork during auction
>"B-b-based!"
>Game dev destroys his art
>NOOOO HELP ME GOVERNMENT!!

>>715190282
nice try
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

>they call me subscriber
>but it's not a subscriber service
ha, would be fun EU destroying Steam.

>>715185643 (OP)
I'm so blackpilled that I expect this to be magically erased through some backroom bullshit. I'm an American though so I'm biased since that happens here all the time.

>>715190171
how much are you paying steam each month, and why?

>>715190229
You will own nothing and be happy was a credo being ppeddled by wealthy plutocrats who will to have controls over the publics resources and means of production. It was never for out benefit. Don't try to reframe this too down con, especially when SKG has nothing to do with WEF.

>>715186156
>and nuke all their allies
What country would even be left? Switzerland?

>>715189320
It's fun to read about the other campaigns
>funding from PETA, Soros and what have you
>budgets in the hundreds of thousands
>aggressive media campaigns focused on one or two countries most interested in the issue, from which most of the votes come from
>in comes the SKG
>budget of 10 cans of fasola
>zero advertisement
>on its way to be one of the most signed of all the initiatives
>unanimous support from all member states
>pretty much every real country met its threshold, most of them multiple times

I don't think they'll be able to sweep this one under the rug.

>>715187280
Sony AD, but Sony does not care

>>715190564
did you sign the STEAM SUBSCRIBER AGREEMENT, or not, dumb cattle?

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

>but but there's no monthly fees
yet
it's not on you to decide, dumb cattle

>>715190262
Preservation cannot be forced upon art by merit of stifling artistic expression. Owners and creators of art are free to dispose of it because art is disposable.

>>715190581
SKG is a clear demonstration of the idea that average people will be happy after they give up ownership. Everybody was happy with the current system of not owning games until some eceleb upstarts got people riled up over wanting to own games.

>>715190613
https://archive.is/FUL0H

EU only got money for war.
so if this can make them more money, they will force everyone into being multiplayer subscribers.

>>715185685
>durr hurr but I need muh cloud

Game data transfer was perfected over 25 years ago
It's even cheaper to do in larger sizes now

>>715189917
>american zigger opinion
not only should you be censored you should be publicly executed
long live the EU and regulating mutt companies

>>715190549
I only knew about Steam being a "subscription service", because I once read that entire page to my nephew as a bed time story. lol
He never asked me to read him a bed time story ever again.

>>715189974
Nope.
So long as you have proof or purchase that digital copy is yours forever. This applies to the United States - don't know about other countries.

>>715185685
Learn to code games that can fit on budget harddrives then. You have no excuse to make a basketball 100GB because you didn't optimize playermodels and court geometry.

>>715190740
>being multiplayer subscribers.
and funding Ze-len-sky
like pottery
and then finally getting conscripted by EU commies to die
lmao
sounds like N-atze G*rm-many

>>715190083
TUPAC SLAP

>>715190613
They can sweep it under the rug because it's video games.

>>715190723
So what if its not the creator of said art but an outside force, that sounds like... censorship. Which is what publishers do to these games made by developers.

>>715190723
If I buy a painting you actually AREN'T entitled to break into my house and destroy it, contrary to popular belief. It's funny how Ross is the one being called a commie here sometimes when you retards are the ones against ownership.

>>715186156
Indoctrinated burgers are too stupid to realize that there are other countries with nukes and hypersonic missiles, thus too dumb to realize that this won't work and why the US is too chicken shit to do any direct confrontation with those countries who have nukes. Which is why getting nukes should be top priority for any country the US is bombing or wanting to bomb.

>>715190898
if the balded freak was pro ownership, he would say a word about Steam-slop, but he doesn't.

>>715190871
>erm ackshully It was ALREADY the government
okay so you just don't have an argument?

>>715190740
They get more money from fining the corpos who are not compliant with the new law.

>>715190898
Your personal property wasn't violated, you merely lost access to a service that no longer exists.

>>715190898
SKG is the one undermining property rights here. Your analogy is wrong because you do not buy ownership of the game. The real analogy would be you buying the right to hang the painting in the house, and the real owner of the painting having the right to break into your house and destroy that painting, because they own it, not you.

>>715190871
Huh I wonder where all those regulations come from. Surely it can't be lobbied by owners of these monopolies to kill competition.

>>715185685
>Reminder this will make cloud gaming legally impossible
YES!

>>715191001
>corpos just have money, okay
>they don't get it from me, okay
>they pay their own money, okay
>property tax is paid not by me, but by corpos, okay

>>715190852
yes we will defend from you nigger third worlders
makes you seethe doesn't it

>>715191043
>Your analogy is wrong because you do not buy ownership of the game
Yeah, that would be what we're trying to fix here.

>>715190949
If the US nuked Mexico, Canada, or any random shit hole in South America, I legit don't believe any other country would do shit. They'd panic, and write a "strongly worded letter" sure, but no other country is going to attack the US over that.
It'd be pretty funny to see.

>>715190262
Jews.
>>715190359
Which I why I have SKG to protect my property over the games I bought and paid for.

>>715191092
>we
Go to Uk-rain and die, thank you commie

>>715189697
>I am so glad physical is dying because eventually it will force you all to understand that you do not own games, books, movies, TV shows, music
All of these can be easily copied and replayed without limit with minimum to no quality loss. Games, as software, are in a different bag, as they need specific hardware and software to be played. Online games more so, since they depend on a server that is not controlled by the user, letting the third party de facto destroy the game for good - and that's what SKG is trying to rectify.

>>715186952
Except it's pretty well known that performance or bugs more often than not override that 2 hour timer.

I personally know someone who got a refund because they honestly said in the refund ticket that the game was accidentally left on the main menu while he walked to the store to buy sake.

The 2 hour timer is not sacred. You're cope that outlawing always-online is somehow bad will always be pathetic deranged bullshit only a child would think.

30 fucking years of multiplayer games existed just fine without needing 24/7 internet access to some cheap company server.
You have already lost by denying this can be normal again.

>>715190834
No, a personal copy of a game's files can only exist for 24 hours.

>>715191173
You bought and paid for your license of access. Your ownership of that license is not the one under threat here. The ownership under threat is that of the IP owners. It is the property rights of the IP owners that need defending.

>>715185643 (OP)
skigger

>>715191171
nukes aren't real
>but but
the banks would have nuked all sorts of cuntries, but nothing happened because it's fake and gey

Has he even streamed recently?

>>715185685
I wish i could sign the initiative twice.

>>715190898
>communism means being anti art
No, when it comes to art and ideas communism promotes public domain over patent trolls, thus you can paint or have as many Mona Lisa's as you want, whether you want to pay for the labor contributed to a painting is up to you and there is no edict about saying that you can't do so.

>>715191231
physical game:
>game turns into woke slop 5 hours in
>I can sell the game to some retard

Steam:
>game turns into woke slop 5 hours in
>Valve: nope, it being woke is not a reason for an authorized refund[tm]
>Valve: we only ban games with cute girls in it

I go with physical.

>>715187280
The future is glass.
The only issue is the tech to write it and read it is being monopolized by Microsoft so they can be masters of all information on Earth after the nukes fall.

>>715191268
>It is the property rights of the IP owners that need defending.
IP owners can eat my entire ass. I will make mickey mouse porn and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

>>715191268
Didn't read.
I'll have my rights and you can eat shit, kike.

>>715191268
Why are video game licenses allowed to be vague? When they do not list an expiration date the implication is that it is perpetual, so there is obviously a legal gray area there.

>>715191412
You forgot the part about you being a pedophile. There are otherwise plenty of lewd and weeb porn games on Steam, more than on your Tendy toaster.

>>715185643 (OP)
Nigger we stil ont own anything and the companies will win.
I love seeing you uys whine when the companyGODS own the games rightfully cause its THEY who reeases the service so it should be THEY who deide when it ends.
Its been days and nothing happened so you guys lost HAHAHAHHAHA

>>715191217
yes we, little nigger
white people. unlike you third word "euroasianists"

>>715191308
Nah, why nuke someone when you can put a katana-armed rocket through their car roof from anywhere in the world? Nukes damage infrastructure which the banks need to make money with.

>>715191090
>they don't get it from me, okay
Correct, if they're not compliant with the new EU law.

>>715191592
>Steam is selling CP for YEARS
Someone tell the FBI.

>>715187530
Chad true pill

>>715185685
>Reminder this will make cloud gaming legally impossible
fuck yeah, keep going

Right, I'm done with my holiday. Votes have died down a lot but 1,400,000 is still comfortably on the cards. Anything else happen while I was gone? Already heard about that European lobbying group

>>715191268
the IP owners can eat my ass, I purchased this "license" under the established precedent that this "license" will be accessible in perpetuity. These corpo faggots are changing the rule books because they're too incompetant to let their games be accessible offline.

>>715191683
yeah, multiplayer games will get banned in EU, just like Fortnite does not exist in Chyna, another communist shithole

>>715191736
Maldavius Figtree continues to make a clown of himself as usual

>>715191697
No, I said the you are only mad about Steam banning ypur pedo games, you often leave that part out.

>>715191617
>the initiative hit 1M a month before the deadline
>so now we'll have a month for getting even more signatures and "nothing's happening"
>this somehow means the initiative failed
Mc Donalds isn't sending their best...

>>715185685
I've already signed

>>715191450
>>715191778
this is the absolute end of the line on this issue which even the retarded jewish lobbyists cannot counter argue since it is objectively fucked up

>>715191854
>Steam is really selling CP
Why isn't Valve getting arrested for that?

>>715185685
Based !

>>715187626
indians live like this? Just get shanghai'd into exploitative contracts by opening a box? What a horrid existence.

>>715191857
>No new signs no law canged somehow they think they won
Cry harder kek

>>715191778
So we just eliminate the precedent that you would be able to access them for perpetuity. Customers will continue to buy live service slop but knowing they may eventually lose access to it. That's fair. We the corporations will allow you to willingly make the informed decision to buy a game that will eventually die. It's the best way forward.

>>715192136
Which is supported under the SKG initiative, literally all they're asking for is transparency.

>>715191818
>shithole because no Fagnite
Enjoy your decaying infrastructure and fenty American Dream, pig man.

>>715185685
wrong, idiot

>>715191736
The current narrative is:
>Even if it hits 1.4 million, 500k are probably invalid signatures because someone botted
>Even if it passes 1 million legit signatures, the EU will just dismiss it or say "OK now games need an explicit label if they can shut down in future"

>>715186482
jew

>>715192246
>no video games in commie paradise
>YES, WE DID IT
>now you better work your ass off, commie to fund war
>aye aye Leyen

>>715191990
You should be asking why your masters at Nintendo aren't. Steam banned them, unlike your overlords.

>>715185643 (OP)
I am, but signing a paper it won't mean shit unless the movement works to inform politicians why killing games is bad and why saving them is easy. Now help me write a paper.
>https://wesmania.github.io/game-life-report/index.html

>>715192364
>Steam bans game
>keeps downloads of CP up
>not getting arrested for distributing CP knowingly
???

>>715192043
Indians get to fuck this every day

>>715192385
I worry politicians are far too boomerish to even understand concepts like a client that has to phone home to a server for an always onlime game to work. But I wish you luck on making it digestable.

>>715187530
It's a good thing nothing you just said has anything to do with the initiative.

>>715191778
It is unreasonable to expect a license to be accessible in perpetuity. If you buy a physical CD copy of a game, the disk will eventually degrade and rot, and you buy the CD anyways knowing this to be true. It is therefore reasonable to expect the license to expire in a similar manner.

>>715192226
Transparency is not necessary. It is common sense that licenses are accessible in perpetuity and can expire without warning.

>>715192584
It absolutely can be explained, one just has to put the work into writing it down. Even if the first draft is shit it's still a start.

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Shizuku-chan now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv0dKUF7zGo

>>715192157
>Nigger got btfoed so hard he posts a gif to appear smart
>Frieren wanna be intellectual

>>715192358
>crying about children, who have no jobs having time restrictions for online games..
You must be a child, and you are clearly confusing China with Japan and South Korea, two capitalist shitholes occupied by pigmen military from the US, which is also going down the shitter with higher cost of living and causing the peasants to have to work 3 jobs just to afford the bare minimum amd survive.

>>715192693
You do realizte that she wont fuck you norr will she ever care about you right?

>>715187293

> A one time $30 purchase is not as good for the economy

As a college grad with an economics degree, the level of stupid on the internet about economics this year has been endlessly entertaining.

>>715192784
no cap?

>>715192624
>If you buy a physical CD copy of a game, the disk will eventually degrade and rot, and you buy the CD anyways knowing this to be true.
What if you just make a backup copy?
> It is therefore reasonable to expect the license to expire in a similar manner.
So would the license just be invalidated then?

>>715192450
>Doesn't care about Nintendaddy
>Thinks Steam runs third party gooner games that were banned

you are invited to participate in a tournament to prove your honor and impress a fair maiden. how do you calmly explain that you cannot participate because you don't really own the horse, sword and armor you bought and that they are locked away on a magical device in a foreign land without being humiliated and having to live in shame for the rest of your miserable life

>>715192731
>only children are not allowed to play vidya in communism
lol
>only children are supposed to work themselves to death in communism
lmao
>great leader Leyen would never allow that
>she...she didn't know

>>715192731
>Capitalism le bad
University cucks

>>715192624
>If you buy a physical CD copy of a game, the disk will eventually degrade and rot
Completely different circumstance but I'll entertain the thought, if physical degradation invalidates the license that means there's no excuse for digitally accessible data right? You fucking retard.

do physical copies of modern PC games exist anymore?

>>715187754

Your cornucopia of flag colors are no match for the red white and blue.

>>715192928
Digitally accessible data requires upkeep. It is unreasonable to expect IP owners to pay those upkeep costs in perpetuity.

>>715192968
No, unless it's really niche collectors items like Limited Run.

>>715192968
In some cases, yes.

>>715192998
>Digitally accessible data requires upkeep
Then offload the upkeep to customers. Problem solved.

>>715192998
>It is unreasonable to expect IP owners to pay those upkeep costs in perpetuity.
Users can upkeep data themselves. I can copy Fallout 2 from hard drive to hard drive. All with the same saves from 1998.

>>715185685
I LOVE ROSS SO MUCH BROS

>>715193072
>>715193119
That doesn't solve the problem, because all that is doing is forcefully extending the license instead of letting the license expire naturally when it should.

I’ve owned a burger. I owned a recipe that I took many bites of and enjoyed and made a deuce in a toilet for. I’m entitled to the recipe of said burger so I can make more.

>>715192731
China actually has safety nets and guaranteed employment prospects, as is the edict with communism, IE catering to the commons/proletariat. Not so necessary to work like a dog just to live over there inorder to subsidize billionaire plutocrats like in your shit country. There is a reason China with its substantially higher population has significantly less homeless littering the street than the shithole that is the US.

>>715193183
Do you think 1s and 0s have some sort of natural lifespan and they're meant to die at some point?
fucking retard

>>715193243
Meant for
>>715192358

>watch game dungeon the crew episode
>now want to play the game
>it was killed
>want to play the crew 2
>doesn't work on linux because of kernel level anti cheat
Fuck Ubisoft, I just wanted to drive around in the world.

>>715193183
>expire naturally
>data
Are you disabled?

>>715193374
You're better off playing a different game unless SKG passes. Try Need For Speed Underground.

>>715193327
>>715193467
Yes, data can and should have a limited lifespan in order to maintain the integrity of the IP owner's property rights. If users are allowed to extend licenses of access indefinitely by copying data without limit, it weakens the IP owner's right to control access to their IP. It's essentially another form of piracy.

>>715193485
I know it's not a great racing game, I just wanted to experience the huge map and do a road trip around the US.

>>715193504
And what if the IP just dies? Like is the case for all abandonware titles. Companies do not have the right to scrub my copy, that is property damage.

>>715193504
>piracy is when you play the game you've paid money for
lmao
this bait has gone too far

>>715193374
>>715193635
That's a (You) problem

>>715192909
Yeah, taking it in the ass to benefit oligarchs is pretty damn bad, no matter how many times you have seen the message and gotten mad at your elite daddies getting criticized because you think someday that you will win the lottery and someday get a crumb from them.

>>715185685
God bless you, Ross

>>715187518
>- Steam will stop working on computer X
>- money literally stolen
>>this is okay, because why wouldn't you want to buy computer Y??? are you poor???
Steam doesn't remove games from libraries. Store fronts, sure, but if you already bought the game it stays in your library permanently - meaning you don't lose access to it permanently.

>>715193504
Alright anons, bets in. Bait or retardation?

>>715185685
I can only get so erect

>>715193678
IP doesn't die, it is merely transferred to another owner. "Abandonware" doesn't exist, you are just illegally taking advantage of an IP owner's blind spot.

>>715193740
Just because you paid money does not mean you have legal right of access. You paid money for one month's WoW access but do not get to play the game the next month.

>>715193754
Just has been my first "killed game" experience. Imagine in the future this is going to be hundred fold.

>>715193243
>China actually has safety nets and guaranteed employment prospects
Oh I can imagine.
There was no homelessness or unemployment under soviet occupation either.
You were either forced to work some shitty ass pointless job for less than the bare minimum or beaten and sent to jail or worse. But at least there was no unemployment during communism. I'm sure China is better tho.
t. from eastern urop

>>715193919
>IP doesn't die
Ahem, public domain
>"Abandonware" doesn't exist, you are just illegally taking advantage of an IP owner's blind spot.
A blindspot that they wont rectify. A car insurance company has no reason to produce System Shock video games, let alone upkeep and control each and every copy. It sounds like that is software that has been abandoned by its IP owners.

>>715194027
Yes but it's important we remember that the soviet system was also bad. We can't just reminisce about the good things.

>>715194208
Ah, you're right. Public domain is a thing because ownership of IP can expire, just like ownership of a license can expire.

>>715192275
Well the second one is definitely possible, but it's not a meme if it happens because Ross has been open minded since day 1 about how this shit could fail. The serious tone outside of the lols and shitposting is very level headed. "They don't care? Seems about right. Was always a risk. We did what we could. Fuck the bastards"

>>715187253
Analogies don't work and they are pointless. Thing A is not thing B.

>>715185685
Holy shit I had totally forgotten about that.
I needed that whitepill today. Thank you.

>>715193243
>China with its substantially higher population has significantly less homeless littering the street than the shithole that is the US.
How difficult would it be for the chinese government to get cull the homeless and pretend everything is ok with their country? Also, aren't some of the housing there worse than jail cells?

>vidya is banned
No
YOUR game not being able to profit over there does not = vidya banned.
I like how we are also pretending the capitalists cuntries don't ban anything.

>children have to work
No, that's mainly the west due to higher cost of living and kicking out your labor for not being white enough, so you are trying to reapprove child labor like back during the robbery baron days to make up for lost labor.

>>715192892
>>great leader Leyen would never allow that
>>she...she didn't know
You mean Ursula von der Leyen? The hag that was shat out by Nazis? Who love slave labor.

>>715192892
>CIA claptrap
Americans really are retarded

>>715185643 (OP)
I hope you get everything you wanted but nothing you asked

>>715185685
Will it tho? Cloud gaming is in reality a service, you're paying for the streaming services rather than the game.
With Nvidia Geforce you have to buy the games before hand, but Xcloud offers you gamepass which is lending you a library of games to play.

>>715185685
do you even understand what the fuck cloud gaming is you mouthbreathing retard

>>715190515
>kike """""art"""""
not the own you think it is

>>715195428
What a roach.
Nevertheless, the real ruling won't satisfy either side but we are getting fucked in the ass so it'll be an improvement either way.

>>715192358
>>now you better work your ass off, commie to fund war
What war is China waging, White man? They aren't even bombing anyone, unlike the US, UK and their western vassals/NATO.
Sounds like projection to me, especially when it's been the likes of Hegseth saying that your white parasite country needs to attack China

>>715192542
you're a dalit

>>715191818
EU is a capitalist establishment and ultimately adheres to the whims of the bank protecting Anglosphere, so nice projection about "communism", lttle dick sucker.
"CHYNA just wanna ban things...anyway COUGHtariffsCOUGH"
Its okay if the honkies facilitate it, of course

>>715185685
Calm down, I already signed it.

Amazing how capitalist convinced rubes and marks to argue against getting paid more than the non working "contract holder"(leech)

>>715185685
I already signed once, you can't make me sign twice.

>>715194489
Commie faggots are truly the most out of touch with reality
Ah yes, the Nazi propaganda on TV or from the establishment
Are you retarded?
The capitalist overlords are jews.
National Socialism is literally the ONLY resistance.
You communists are servants of the capitalists, always have been. National Socialism was actually functional socialism, all that your communism does is confiscate ordinary citizens property for the state, turning the statesmen into a new, all powerful capital holder class.

>>715189917
>From RT

opinion discarded

>>715185952
Besides the usual mentally ill underage b& acting out for attention, even negative, I believe there is a group whose job is to just make the experience here as shitty as possible and disrupt any potential emergent consensus via constant low grade inflammatory bullshit.

The point is to drown relevant information in a sea of empty noise, and by the time the noise has been debunked they've already moved on to adding more. Without IDs or even an IP counter, the gish gallop does not need to be consistent. It just needs to be a steady drumbeat, forcing users to react to it rather than behave proactively.

Indications its deliberate is that it is very always exactly two per thread.

>>715197342
nah schizo u just underestimate the level of retardation

>>715189917
>RT
Embarrassing post

>>715197342
/pol/ has both and it suffers from the same issue.
However, it's indeed way easier to tell what threads/posters are doing COINTELPRO bullshit.

>>715185643 (OP)
First those stupid-ass Eurocrats must read this petition.
And I doubt they will actually be reasonable and side with gamers. Those are the same people who hate free speech and the reason why Europe is in the gutter.

>>715194489
>The projection
Lmao

>>715185685
>Reminder this will make cloud gaming legally impossible

ahahahaahhaah, who gives a fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk about cloud gaming. That shit has way too much latency issues. Cloud gaming has always been shit and is still shit.

>>715192974
>Says the subhuman zogbot who will be sacrificed for Israel

i just think it's sad that we millenials were the last generation growing up getting cartridges, dvds and floppy disks to pop into our computers and consoles. i honestly feel bad for digital only cucks

>>715199568
They're also the last generation to have games that cannot be further played unless you input a code hidden in the manual and one of the most ardent enemies of piracy.

>>715199951
That shit sucked but I'd take it anyday over Always Online servers or Denuvo. Crackers got by easy back them.

>>715185643 (OP)
Is Jason always in these threads shitting it up? I would wager he is, he seems like the kind of person that would be so butthurt he stalks these threads and basically shitting them up.

>>715185643 (OP)
SKG is anti-semetic

This site is pretty cool, you can watch Judas lose subs in real time.

>>715185685
I already signed it, you don't have to convince me any further.

>>715185685
that's fantastic news

>pirate software
>is not pirate
>is not software
>is not software pirate
>is not pirate software either
>is actually a corpo bootlicker
confusing name choice

>>715185685
retarded nigger, SKG would not effect anything that upfront and advertised as a subscription service

>>715185685
No one asked for this

>>715185643 (OP)
>exclusively affect forced online, live service and multiplayer only games
I'm not retarded enough to buy this shit so it doesn't really affect me.

>>715185685
You dont have to convince me

>>715185685
It fucking sucks anyway.
t. 200mb/s

>>715186401
>option b) multiplayer geo-blocked in commie EU
And then they get assfucked by the US courts for knowingly making less money for shareholders which violates Dodge v Ford.

>>715185643 (OP)
But what about my single player games and abandonware? If you don't have the source code you don't own it.

>>715200735
>>715200629
You can stop replying to yourself already

>>715185685
Oh no! Anyway.

>>715185643 (OP)
>>715185685
Dude that's fucking grand, let's make it happen! Proud of my eurobros hitting 1.3M

>>715187280
the industry will never go back to physical, and it isn't even what SKG is about

>>715200342
thanks for keeping the screencap spirit alive

>>715200634
Someone said he chose it explicitly so retards googling "how 2 pirat vbucks" would be redirected to his channel.

>>715190871
>corpos are evil because of le regulations
absolutely fucking retarded image and poster

>>715201407
we really shouldn't have given them even an inch and we should have died on the physical media hill even if it meant paying a few moneys extra and having big ass games delivered on usb drive. now here we are arguing whether it's even ok to own your digital stuff on a computer somewhere all in a span of only a few years. this is what happens when people fall under weak corrupt leadership. shit gets worse and worse

The more shills that are in these threads, the more that they are afraid.

>>715185685
I like replying to posts with massive (you)s

>>715185685
Thanks, I'm gunna sign it now

>>715185685
No jasonposting on /v/

>>715201997
>we should have died on the physical media hill
we who?
If you mean people passionate enough about the medium to post on /v/ or to be generally knowledgeable about the industry, nothing would have ever been accepted, not digital only, not dlcs, not mtx. If these people were the only audience that mattered, vidya would still be great today and not plagued with all that shit.
The problem is, has always been, and will always be normalfags, who buy and accept everything shoved down their throats because they don't know better, and are the crushing majority

>>715191736
>European lobbying group
Yeah, most people heard about Video Games Europe (VGE) making a statement.
What most people do not realize is

THEY DID NOT ASK THEIR MEMBERS FOR THEIR OPINIONS
THEY DID NOT HOLD A VOTE
THEY HAVE MEMBERS THAT COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE VGE PUBLIC STATEMENT

Pic related, BeamNG CTO.
>member of VGE
>publicly disagrees with the VGE statement

>>715201997
Physical media is bad for the economy and gives less control to the IP owners. Everybody won and will continue winning from the move to digital only.

>>715192869
I gotta win the tournament first, we can handle the rest later.

>>715185872
It affects single player games too. What happens if the single player game has to check in for DRM reasons and the servers are gone?

>>715202778
I feel sorry for developers that are a part of it that just want a government body to represent their positions, only for said body to not represent their total positions and only listen to the publishers.
As I've always said, I doubt any true developer wants their games to be destroyed, only C-suite fucktards.

>>715186482
Are you like 16 years old?

>>715202972
True developer here. Just because I don't plan on destroying my game right now doesn't mean that I should give up my right to control my own IP.

>>715185685
>Reminder this will make cloud gaming legally impossible
Uh, well, about that.
Because it's being advertised as a cloud game it'll make them more popular if anything.

Lolichads are anti consumers

>>715203074
But why would you want your work destroyed? Just because you can?

imagine channeling the power of your ancestors for once in your life and entering every room like an army of them. never forget these magnificent mustaches have been hidden from you, made toxic by effeminate numales but they are part of your genetic code as long as you live. channel your ancestors. demand what is yours and enforce your demands. stop apologizing. they are all watching. when faced with dilemma remember this image and ask yourself what he would to in your stead

>>715187293
In accordance with the US and EU law alike, the license for software, unless it is a subscription paid service, is perpetual. The publisher or developer has no right to revoke it or demand you destroy a product. You keep repeating this ridiculous lie that was being passed over as truth for years because people could not oppose the corporations individually and sue them over fucking videogames, because who has they money for that? But the tide is turning.

>>715189697
You're retarded as fuck

>>715203147
From an ethics standpoint, yes, because it is a fundamental property right. Also, from an artistic standpoint, if I realize the work is bad artistically, as an artist I should have a right to destroy it and prevent people from being exposed to bad art.

>>715203173
>tfw my facial hair grows exactly like this if I let it go
>have ancestry with Polish nobility
It just gets in the way when eating, so I prefer a clean shaven look.

A reminder that the film preservation movement took years to get anywhere near an acceptable outcome, the fight is still going. Original copies of film being destroyed "for lulz" and replaced with inferior versions has been a thing for decades, nearing a century. Here is to you vidya nerds for fighting for your own medium as well.

>>715203339
>and prevent people from being exposed to bad art.
NTA, a worth of art is not in the hands of an artist, there have been several art pieces that in of itself deconstruct this notion, you're an idiot.

>>715203192
>The publisher or developer has no right to revoke it or demand you destroy a product.
Well, unless you break their rules regarding it. Usually that entails copying and distribution.
That said a game with DRM going down isn't revoking your licence.

Corps would still be allowed to do the shit they're pulling off now, they'd just need to rephrase "purchase" to "rent". Which luckily would hurt sales.

>>715185685
It's actually the opposite
All gaming will go to the cloud
You won't buy the license to a game
Just a license for a stream
Thus side stepping skg

>>715185685
BASED I need to get a european citizenship right now.

You will own nothing.

>>715203147
You're seeing it at a corporate level anon, not a personal level. It's his property, he's entitled to do with it as he pleases

>>715203413
Incorrect. You can in fact give it away or resell it. Just because companies say you can't and try to bludgeon you into submission when you do, doesn't mean that the actual law forbids it.
>licence.
ESL, go and stay go.

>>715203521
And I will eat bugs?
>inb4 you don't have to eat the bugs.

>>715203429
They'd still legally be able to use the word "purchase". In fact they could be caught on false advertising if they said rent because the product isn't being rented. >>715203618
>You can in fact give it away or resell it.

>>715185685
i already signed , you don´t have to convince me

>>715203339
You can still what you can to the IP, you aren't allowed to touch my copy of it.
Books, music, film and television throughout the years are sold as copies of the IP that only have the stipulation of not being able to distribute or claim as your own IP. It's that simple. Vidya should also be the same. You can piss the source code down the drain all you want, you ain't coming for my copy if I've taken care of it and did not violate any of the two stipulations.
Also that bad art comment strikes me the wrong way, a collector of art pieces should be allowed to keep their pieces regardless of artist intention or desires.

>>715203552
That's fine, do what you want with your own, you can't come to my private residence and take my copy.

>>715203618
No one said reselling wasn't allowed. That's considered a tranferal of your licence and is a completely different thing to what we're talking about.
Also "license" is the American spelling, the correct way is "licence" with a C.

>>715203801
>American
>Correct
You muttified yourselves and you muttified your language.

>>715185685
You don't have to make cloud gaming illegal in order to kill it. It's already a failure

>>715203618
>>licence.
>ESL, go and stay go.
American pig detected. You can't even sign the petition, why the fuck are you here?

>>715203926
Rip stadia-tan

Some games need to die.

>>715185685
thank christ

>>715203910
Typical American, you can't even read basic English.

>>715203768
>Also that bad art comment strikes me the wrong way, a collector of art pieces should be allowed to keep their pieces regardless of artist intention or desires.
That's a different situation. The artist by selling the art piece lost ownership rights, so if the artist regrets creating bad art, too bad for him, he's already sold the rights. In my situation, I did not sell the art but access to the art. Now that I realize the art is bad, should not exist, and should never have been created, I can destroy the art without violating the customer's ownership of their copy of a license of access. The license is still there, there's just nothing to access anymore.

>>715203768
>you can't come to my private residence and take my copy.
And that entitles you to do the inverse?

>>715203768
>Books, music, film and television throughout the years are sold as copies of the IP that only have the stipulation of not being able to distribute or claim as your own IP. It's that simple.
Yep

>>715203404
>It just gets in the way when eating
just as god intended. greasy and unapologetically high T

>>715185685
oh no

>>715185685
OH
I'LL SIGN

>>715203768
>you aren't allowed to touch my copy of it.
Thing is, with a game with DRM you bought it knowing it could be shut down.

>>715203926
A lot of stuff that's terrible becomes the standard once enough companies start doing it.
See: paid online, microtransactions, day one DLC, games as a service, etc.

>>715204075
>strawman
Stop destroying the things that I own and we won't be having a problem.

Just thought of another loophole
>game shuts down
>offer server access for a fee
>It's thousands of dollars per person
Problem solved

>>715204075
Because you sold me a copy.

>>715204050
Just like how books, television, music and film are technically copies that are license to the IP, as long as I have my copy to my license, I have my copy. Your intentions mean fuckall to me.

>>715204182
That's not a strawman.

>>715185643 (OP)
>Are you excited to OWN your games again?
If you think you will ever own your games again then you a hopelessly fucking deluded. Nintendo and Ubisoft is setting the precedent that you don't own your physical copies of games, that they amount to a licenses just like if you bought them digitally. Only way to fight it is to not buy their games in the first place. Guess what? People are buying them in record numbers. The average "gamer" doesn't give a shit about ownership just so long as they have access

>>715204230
There are laws against price gouging already.

>>715185685
Dios te oiga Anon.

>>715204230
>push update out
>the game is now 2d pixel slop ai generated that vaguely resembles the original game
>shut down the server
Best of both worlds

>>715204309
>Nintendo
Nintendo is literally the only console manufacturer without drm like that, why do you think they weren't a part of the cbomb debacle a while back?

>>715204230
>game shuts down
>offers server access
if it offers server access doesn't that mean it's not shut down...

>>715204341
It's not price gouging. Servers are expensive and so is support.

>>715204418
Shuts down as in winds down support and main server access
Moving to a subscription model with an extremely large bill would be more accurate

>>715204396
>Nintendo is literally the only console manufacturer without drm like that
Let your Switch or Switch 2 update then try to play your physical games without an internet connection. Guess what you can't, you have to verify your games first online before you can play them. Doesn't have that kind of DRM, you clearly don't own a Switch

>>715204371
This is actually a good question for the actual EU implementation, where would they draw the line for malicious compliance and what would the penalties be. Because every time the EU puts up a new consumer protection law all the megacorps go out of their way to undermine it and every time the EU courts have to slap them back into line.

>>715204518
ohhhhhh so technically the game isn't shut down
i doubt companies would want to tank the negative pr from making their game subscription $500/mo though

>>715203339
>Also, from an artistic standpoint, if I realize the work is bad artistically, as an artist I should have a right to destroy it and prevent people from being exposed to bad art.
once you've sold your art you lose that privilege
you can't come into someone's home, destroy the painting you made and then leave without compensating them
and before you start: in the EU, digital content licenses for one-time purchases are expected to last indefinitely
in essence, they are treated almost identically to products

>>715204534
>Let your Switch or Switch 2 update then try to play your physical games without an internet connection.
I can play them just fine. You're probably thinking of the ps4 and 5.

>>715190360
love hitman WoA (probs my favourite game) but always online is so retarded

>>715204868
>once you've sold your art you lose that privilege
And now you know why copyright exists so creators can still own their property.

>>715204868
>in essence, they are treated almost identically to products
Yeah, the SKG FAQ on their site talks about that.

>>715205008
>creators can still own their property.
Ownership of intellectual property is completely different from ownership of goods derived from said intellectual property.

>>715200720
but you seem retarded enough

You sold me a copy of your IP with a licence to say "You cannot distribute or claim the IP as yours". What I do with it afterwards outside of those conditions should be up to me damn it. I'll wipe my ass with a page from your book, I'll take a dump on my CD case, I'll cum on the DvD cover and you vill just throw your hands up in the air and go "Not my problem".

>>715205008
copyright doesn't matter in this case, you're not allowed to just destroy copies that were already sold
again, it's no different from physically destroying people's purchased media of any other kind
that particular piece of media stopped being yours as soon as somebody handed you money and accepted a copy of your work
you both agreed to a contract and you are the one violating it

>>715205329
>I'll cum
Don't

>>715185643 (OP)
ima piratefag. am I in trouble?

>>715205008
>you publish a book
>you own the ip
>you can do whatever you want with your ip
ok
>i buy a copy of your book
>you own my copy of your book
>you can do whatever you want with my copy of your book
??????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>715205165
>the SKG FAQ on their site talks about that.
You forgot to mention that it gets it wrong because it's not a legal grey area at all. Like many, intellectually challenged people here, they don't understand the difference between a private use licence, which is what you get with all media, and an EULA going on to treat the way licences work as some kind of exception.

>>715204230
The law isn't enforced like jews dodging shabbos restrictions, anon. I mean, maybe it is where you live, but not here.

>>715205708
License agreements cannot override national laws.

>>715205658
>>i buy a copy of your book
>>you own my copy of your book
>>you can do whatever you want with my copy of your book
Yes. That was always possible but not feasible since it would require finding every customer and printing a new copy for them.
In the digital age however it's actually possible to do so.

>>715185685
Good

>>715205817
Case in point.
The licence you obtain on purchase isn't an EULA. An EULA doesn't supersede national laws but a private use licence does.
When it comes to skg the EULA is irrelevant.

>>715205846
Absolute inhuman behaviour.

>>715205846
it is possible but it is not legal
again, as stated many times: it is illegal under EU law to revoke (or make non-functional) a digital content license without a violation of the contract on the part of the consumer

>>715185952
The thing is /v/ is a 4chan board and the guys that control media discourse are used to bend and twist words to peer pressure people into following their agenda. They have most of the internet in the palm of their hand. Reddit, as much as I hate it, it's far better than the rest because you can see that the only way to keep the truth hidden is by aggressive bans and overzealous mods. Control the Mods, control the site, ez pz. Here they think we are some sort of monolithical entity that latches on a meme or [insert current divisive theme] and just pushes it for the lulz.On surface level that is the truth but in reality we are the cesspool of the internet, each one of us is an individual drop that just tries to go their own way but it's pulled by gravity into here. Lurk long enough in the internet and you will end up here eventually, the ones that don't, they don't belong here. So, if the hivemind decided that enough is enough about corporate greed in gaming it's not because there's a conspiracy of high profile anons dictated that and we are pushing for that, but rather that a lot of individual gamers got fed up with it and started spewing out the hate and anger for gaming corpos on the internet. And it coalesced here.. We aren't the cause, just the consequence.
So, corporate shills, if you are reading please understand this and don't try to stop the message, skg is also a symptom, its the consequence of your own actions. What you can do is to stop making decisions that would make gamers hate you, and they will stop hating you, with time. If you double down it will get worse, way worse. Even the most normalfags of normies are smelling the shit you are doing.

>>715206092
>it is not legal
It is.
Also buying a game with DRM and shutting down the contact server doesn't count as making it non-functional since that's a function of the game.

>>715206174
The latest one that I watched did a much better job than that coding jesus guy, actually showed a much better way to handle dialogue and events.

>>715205846
you're genuinely retarded IP holders do not have the right to void prior purchases. The only reason it somewhat happened in games industry is because publishers are taking advantage of the fact that legislation hasn't caught up to technology and neither consumers nor courts have had a spine to give their opinions on prior law's application to games.

>>715206312
>The only reason it somewhat happened in games industry is because publishers are taking advantage of the fact that legislation hasn't caught up to technology
It has absolutely nothing to do with technology. Again, it simply wasn't feasible to do so prior to digital media.
This also isn't something exclusive to video games.

>>715206246
you can keep saying the sky isn't blue all you want, it isn't going to change anything
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj
Article 7 – Conformity with the contract:
>Sellers must ensure the digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-off purchases, for a reasonable period expected by the consumer.
Article 14 – Termination of the contract:
>Termination is allowed only under specific conditions, such as lack of conformity or breach by the other party. It does not grant sellers blanket rights to revoke access unless the consumer breaches the agreement or as contractually agreed under fair terms.
bitch all you want, but digital content licenses have had laws outlining what you can and can't do with them for many years

>>715206524
>The only reason I didn't take away your [cd/book/dvd/vhs tape/insert other physical media here] was because it wasn't feasible
You sicken me.

>>715205993
You also cannot forfeit your rights via EULAs, they get tossed out in lawsuits all the time. Disney tried using a Disney+ EULA to defend itself from one of its rides killing a woman.

>>715185643 (OP)
They're gonna throw out any signature outside the EU. Good luck.

>>715206524
no, it didn't happen because it is illegal. like i said you are retarded. kill yourself im done

>>715206572
americans when they discover somewhere on this planet there are workers and consumers who have rights

>>715206572
>>Sellers must ensure the digital content remains accessible and usable
Key words.
While you think this refers to the main game it's actually referring to the file itself being accessible and any function being usable. That's also why drm acts as a loophole because that's also the intended function.

The next one has no relevance whatsoever since your contract isn't being revoked in the event of a shutdown. You still have your copy, it hasn't been removed from your digital library nor have you been requested to destroy it.

You don't understand these laws.

>>715206780
>rides
It was a restaurant, probably even worse.

>>715206780
Anon, if I said EULA's are irrelevant why are you still talking about EULA's?

>>715206780
>Disney tried using a Disney+ EULA to defend itself from one of its rides killing a woman.
I think the woman died due to an allergic reaction at their restaurant unless Disney tried the Disney+ EULA trickeroo multiple times.

>>715207054
He's either a pajeet or an American.

>>715207162
What's the difference?

>>715190802
based

>>715207215
Pajeets are paid to be retarded, Americans are.

>>715185872
im a nazi and even i have to give lenin a bigup on this one

reminder that this nepobaby nigger is a /pol/ poster

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>>715207828
does he still post 4chan screencaps on Xitter?

>>715206956
>usable
Saying that a game - without being playable - is "usable" just because you can open the exe is like saying a car is "usable" since you can look at it and sit in it, but the manufacturer removed the engine block.
>>715206912
I am American.

>>715185685
not true in the slightest.

>>715185643 (OP)
>YA...YAMERO ROSS-S-SAMA...!!
>ACK...YOU'LL NEVER OWN...A GAME AGAIN!!!

>>715208867
>I am American.
I'm sorry for your foreskin.

>>715208867
It's in the shape of a car, isn't it? What's the problem??

Do we need to ever reply to a shill again?

Holy fuck lmfao

>>715205008
>And now you know why copyright exists
yeah, jews
it's always them

>>715187034
>You do not pay for ownership, you pay for access.
That's some commie shit right there
If there is late stage capitalism there should be early stage communism.

>>715208867
>is like saying a car is "usable" since you can look at it and sit in it, but the manufacturer removed the engine block.
No, it's like saying a car without gas is usable which it is. Also just because the gas for it is no longer made doesn't entitle you to that formula.
If you're going to use analogies as an argument make sure they actually suit your argument.

>>715209016
It's fun to dunk on them.

>>715209621
We use electricity to power our games

>>715209049
Copyright is the barrier preventing Jews from controlling everything anon, why do you think n they're constantly trying to convince you that protection of your rights is a bad thing?

>>715209348
Pretty sure that owning your property is the exact opposite of communism.

>>715209621
That would make sense if it was only possible to buy gas for the car from the manufacturer and they decided to stop supplying that formula. Even then it's still not apt because you might be able to take the existing car, swap some parts around and get it functional again. When a live-service game goes offline it will be non-functional to consumers forever unless they literally break into the developers' server room and steal the data.
As it stands, the manufacturer taking the engine block out of the car (thus removing any possibility of functionality) is much closer to what's happening. If anything they should just be stealing the entire car and leaving you with a photo of it.

>>715209925
>the manufacturer taking the engine block out of the car (thus removing any possibility of functionality) is much closer to what's happening
Again, not an apt comparison. That is actively disabling the car, it is non functional and wod require a replacement.
The equivalent with a game would be damaging the disc, not shutting off the server because the game is still functional when that happens.

You need to understand that words have specific meanings and that you can't just alter them at your leisure.

>>715210557
Brain damage moment

what would games look like if the decline keeps going?
multiple store fronts, always online and literal rent of games?

>>715210557
>because the game is still functional when that happens
No, it isn't. That's the whole issue. Just because you can open the .exe and look at the main menu does not mean the game is functional. The game is gone. You cannot play it.

>>715210739
They eventually want gaming to be Netflix. Game Pass + Cloud-based. So you don't even download anything notable. You own nothing. Pay a subscription to access content. Can still buy microtransactions. Publishers can take anything and everything away at any time.

>>715210557
>because the game is still functional when that happens.
Bitch the game that started this whole thing, the crew, is 100% bricked without servers.
https://youtu.be/D4x9JWTWOjY?si=OYk3uNPMg0iSw3nc

>>715209925
>the manufacturer taking the engine block out of the car (thus removing any possibility of functionality)
NTA but are you fucking stupid? That's destruction. Can you point to when they destroyed your game and rendered it 100% inoperable?
And that doesn't mean "oh no it can't connect to the server!" it means inoperable, not working, the disc can't be read and the file can't be opened.

I have owned my games for decades, retards

>>715210996
Just because the file can be opened doesn't mean the game works. I'm not talking about multiplayer servers here, but game content. If all you can do is look at the main menu (like with the Crew or what will inevitably happen to Diablo 3) then the game doesn't work.

>>715210996
A key fob still works in an engineless car as long as it still has the battery. You can open the door, sit in it, and try to turn the ignition. If that isn't an apt description of a game you can only go to main menu or settings for I dont know what is.

>>715210996
Hey I can still sit in the drivers seat and make vroom vroom noises

>>715185685
Who the fuck plays on the Cloud™?

>>715185643 (OP)
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1752279986783012.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1752280092931975.webm

>>715185643 (OP)
That image? Insanse behavior, dude!

>>715211105
>Just because the file can be opened doesn't mean the game works
Jesus fucking christ man, we aren't talking about your opinion, we're talking legality.
If a file can be opened then it's working and if it has drm in it and you were told that it only works online then it's functioning as intended. Look at the video this anon posted >>715210980
It doesn't just break and immediately close the game like an important component was removed

>>715208470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=basedESlXgeds

>>715211248
Literally who?

>>715211507
You know he's going to say something like
>B-but it did
Completely ignoring the fact that it didn't close the game at all, right?

>>715211507
>and you were told that it only works online
This part doesn't matter. You seem to be under the impression that one-time payments for digital content licenses are treated as services and you are wrong.
Please refer to >>715206572 for further details on the law you claim to know so much about. Try to pay special attention to the words "accessible and usable", they're both important.
>>715211719
Again, the .exe opening does not constitute functionality for the digital content purchased. If you paid for a movie download and after 6 months the .mp4 file would open in VLC but would not display the movie, would you call that functional?

>>715211556
idk he's an enemy of piratesoftware and told me to download his video before he reports it, and I got curious if I could bring his 8 minute video down to 6mb webm.

couldn't, had to split it into two.

>>715204075
Why do you talk like you're John Blizzard himself?

>>715211859
>Again, the .exe opening does not constitute functionality for the digital content purchased.
Except it does, it's not defined by what you can access just that it functions and isn't destroyed. That's what you aren't getting here.
>If you paid for a movie download and after 6 months the .mp4 file would open in VLC but would not display the movie, would you call that functional?
You're not even aware that you're agreeing because the file in this case would be broken. It's not triggering some kind of anti piracy after all.

>>715207054
Because the person I'm replying too brought up EULAs.

>>715187626
it doesn't matter what the license says if the terms of the license break the law lol

>>715212210
Looking at the reply chain you were the first to do that here >>715205165 with your image that explicitly mentions "license agreement" aka and EULA.

>>715212129
>because the file in this case would be broken
Then I'll rephrase: you open the mp4, there is no sound and the screen just says something like "thanks for watching, we've discontinued access to [movie]".
>it's not defined by what you can access
R E A D: >>715206572
here is a literal screenshot of the LAW
I'll point out the relevant parts for you in case some of the words are too big:
>In order to conform with the contract, the digital content or digital service shall:
>be of the description, quantity and quality, and possess the [FUNCTIONALITY], compatibility, interoperability and other features, as required by the contract
and before you start:
>Digital content or digital services can be supplied to consumers through a [SINGLE ACT OF SUPPLY] … The distinctive element of this category of digital content or digital service is the fact that consumers thereafter have the possibility to access and use the digital content or digital service [INDEFINITELY].
Article 7(4):
>Where the contract provides for a [SINGLE ACT OF SUPPLY] … the trader shall ensure that the consumer is informed of and supplied with updates …
in case it isn't obvious to you, "single act of supply" means "one-time purchase" which is what most video games are
I've tried to highlight all the big important words for you since you seem to have a hard time reading anything more than a few syllables.

>>715185685
Oh no
Anyways

>>715212557
Multiple people can reply to posts on a public imageboard nigger

>>715212831
How many times are you going to cite a law and then show you have no understanding of it.

>>715185643 (OP)
how pirate handles his game's state and his 999 block long switch statement makes me want to shit my pants

>715213297
at least try
anyway, this thread is almost kill and you've stopped putting effort in so i will too

>>715212831
>Then I'll rephrase: you open the mp4, there is no sound and the screen just says something like "thanks for watching, we've discontinued access to [movie]".
NTA but then it wouldn't be broken, it's just a feature.
If it says you can only access it four times then you can only access it four times by design. It's not broken for it to n do that and that's where you're stumbling on this debate. You can't accept that drm counts as a function.

>>715213273
And one person can use 4chan X or inspect element to edit posts for a screenshot.

>>715213531
read:
>>715206572
>>715212831
accessibility to a functional, one-time purchase - digital or not - is not an optional feature under EU law
just because your EULA says "we can steal from you" doesn't mean they can

>>715213416
Not that you put in effort to begin with, you simply ignored what was said and repeated your misinterpretations.

>>715213736
yeah, giving sources, quoting existing law and explaining my reasoning clearly pales in comparison to you saying "nuh uh" with no evidence to back up your claims