>rolling on pve servers
Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?

>>715189736 (OP)
>getting killed by players i have no chance against

no

>>715189736 (OP)
I did. In 2007.
Now, in 2025? Much like everything else in this game, it has been boiled down to the most degenerate extreme possible by people who are legitimately mentally ill.
The magic's gone. From everything, and also from PvP.

>>715189736 (OP)
If world pvp had a semblance of balance you'd have a point, but 90% of the world pvp experience is getting one shot by a lvl 60 while you're just trying to fucking lvl. I'll stay on my pve server where it's comfy, thank you.

Nah world pvp is pretty shit. It was novel and interesting in 2004 when the game was new and everyone played like shit but now all it ever is is some dude jumping you at the worst possible moment or griefing a lowbie zone where players are force flagged for hours on end, especially on private servers.

>>715189736 (OP)
it's only good for the first 3-4 days of the server when everyone's in equal footing. during that magic period of time, everything is so fucking good. one week after that, the game is already shit.
maybe the MMO formula is fundamentally flawed

There are no pvp servers, Blizzard effectively killed them before they went and actually killed them.
In vanilla, players with skill could put up a fight even if the level gap was 5-10 levels. Even a level 60 could be taken down by a 55 with some effort, as the stat gap wasn't enormous.
But the way Blizzard handles raid tiers now, the difference between a 59 and a 60 is insurmountable, and even a 60 of tier 1 is doomed versus a 60 of tier 2. This is because they don't want players being able to use old gear in new raids.
So world PVP was long dead due to Blizzard's balancing decisions, and they just made it official a few years later.

Pvp on season of discovery was fun. Primarily because the classes we capped at lower levels so you didn't get ganoed by a level 60.

>>715189736 (OP)
PvP servers are like a UFC fighter taking candy from a baby and then roundhouse kicking that baby into a brick wall over and over again

>>715190859
I should add they had the bright idea of making leveling zone interchangeable, so you'd have fresh players leveling in the same areas as ones almost at max level.

>>715189736 (OP)
>Pvp server
>Just go around killing lower levels until they complain to get help from their guild
>Just stop so they waste their time and then continue once they leave
>Everyone eventually just picks one faction per server so it's either 100% Horde or 100% alliance
>Complain on GD about how blizzard should do something
>Server dies
Like pottery

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?

I did 15-20 years ago. now I just want to slay some dragons, get loot, slay more dragons and get better loot, see number go up, and log off

>>715191312
This never happened in vanilla, and was only an issue in later expansions when transferring characters became easy, and account wide items made rerolling on a new server have almost no cost.

>>715189736 (OP)
why is there a brown woman on my screen

>the thrill of world pvp
>pull one mildly dangerous mob for your epic quest (TM)
>John McGank runs up to you on his mount and attacks you while the mob shreds your armor/stuns you/etc
>If you aren't pulling any mobs, John McGank stays out and waits
Yeah very thrilling. We know what you are

>>715189736 (OP)
Only if you start when the server does, otherwise enjoy getting camped by level 60's.

No? Who the fuck does?
I create a blood elf, i walk two steps, two alliance kills me.

Why the fuck would i want a literal "beat me up please, don't let me play the game and force me to afk until i can revive" simulator?

>>715192238
Even then, if you dont play 18 hours/day, enjoy getting camped by level 60s

Goddamn 4chan really is full of carebear kids now

>>715189736 (OP)
>thrill of world pvp?
I've never being attacked by anyone that wasn't either 5+ levels over me or together with friends, often both and waiting for me being on low health.

>>715189736 (OP)
PvP servers will always have the most players and highest relative skill level.
Especially since most MMOs die after 3 months. You really should be following the streamers and join their PvP server for maximum fun.

>>715192381
its what happens when retards here buy iphone and nvidia

>>715192381
More like people who understand that PvP is absolutely fucking retarded as a concept, it worked back in 2004, it absolutely does not in 2025.

I get you're bored with a server of maybe 5 people total left on it but uh, nah.

>>715192282
true warmeme experience.

>>715192282
>I create a blood elf
Found the issue

>>715192381
>Goddamn 4chan really is full of carebear kids now
>now

>>715192434
How poor?

I'm not going to waste my time so some russian faggot can feel better about himself before going out to suck dick for pocket change so he doesn't starve to death.

>>715189736 (OP)
It's fun for the first few days when everyone is more or less on the same playing field but after that it's pure cancer

>>715192698
>How
*phone screen cracks from a 3 inch drop*
>Poor
*12vh pwr catches on fire*
>Are
*battery dies*
>You?
*nvidia driver crash*

>>715189736 (OP)
If I was to play the shitshow that is classic WoW, I sure as fuck wouldn't waste more time spending it on a pvp server. The only pvp going on is high levels ganking low levels. BG's exist, that's the only fun pvp going on.

>>715192381
pvp was always a minigame for shitters who aren't good enough to play actual pvp games

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?
i sure do love going to nesingwary's camp and getting gangbanged by 4 level 60's just sitting there waiting to kill someone who can't do anything

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?
Oh yeah, I hecking love being killed from behind by an skull level faggot without even being able to even do anything, that surely is the best hecking part of playing world pvp!!!

>>715189736 (OP)
not without level-capped zones
>don't you enjoy walking into a minefield/sniper sightline?
no because every MMO I've ever played has both garbage respawn times and garbage spawn-marker-to-body relocation distances, if I die I want to know it's not going to happen in under a millisecond again

>>715189736 (OP)
In PvP WoW there is no comradery. Due to how players take fights (aka only when they feel confident they can win, and quickly) there is rarely a chance to intervene in other players' PvP scenarios, and when you get in one yourself it's usually a binary of "oh, I started this, have CDs, can fight" or not, which is pretty boring. Turn arounds can happen and are interesting but I think are fairly rare. There is a semi-interesting sense of danger because someone can be anywhere, but ultimately because of how world PvP almost always played out, it tends to be more frustrating than fun.
PvE WoW servers do not have this sense of danger in the world at all, which is fine but leaves players a bit disassociated from one another (this is why it often feels like a single player game). In hardcore servers you are more likely to see cooperation though, which is nice, but really it takes a massive level of overconfidence to die out in the world to mobs.
As a counterpoint, in FFXI I feel like the world is dangerous, just travelling around takes significant time and you can die really easily, and dying has a cost both in terms of xp and time. This creates a sense of comradery with other players. People will dismount (something you can only do at designated points) to save you because they recognise that cost and want to help. That's great.

In short, I feel like WoW flubs both PvE and PvP in a world setting, which is really really unfortunate.

>>715190859
>Even a level 60 could be taken down by a 55
Not really, no, because the 60 was going to have real gear while you had quest greens. Maybe if it was a fucking feral druid or something super jokey like that, but even then no you were getting your shit rocked.

>>715193419
>dying has a cost both in terms of xp and time
This is one of the last things someone does in a game before never playing it again, quite probably one of the worst game mechanics ever invented that laughs at player's time.

>>715193285
>>715193354
these, you're essentially letting someone take YOUR time away from you without being able to do anything about it, who the fuck would want to play a game where someone else dictates how you play it

>the "thrill" of being ganked by someone 20+ levels above you when you're just trying to collect 10 bear asses in peace

>>715192381
>NOOOO YOU MUST LET ME GANK YOU ON MY MAX LEVEL TOON OR YOU ARE LE CAREBEAR
"world pvp" faggots, everyone

>>715189736 (OP)
I played pvp during vanilla through wotlk days.
I remember raiding the one night elf village after you get off the night elf island
I forgot all the names it was a million years ago.
But we raided that area a few times a year. No idea why. I guess just for run.

World PVPis only fun if you're a rogue or ganking someone who doesn't stand a chance. That's pretty much the majority of all world PVP, a fucking joke.

yeah i just love getting 1 shotted by a max level or getting jumped while im half dead from fighting a monster

>>715189736 (OP)
when the magic was there in 2006 you just typed in world chat and high levels would come to the rescue and we would all have a fun battle. Y'all missed out

>>715189736 (OP)
I hate PvP because it's sweaty and stressful.
I would rather stab my opponent in the back irl.

World PvP would only be fun if you can't attack anyone more than 5 levels different than you, that at least eliminates all the max level gankfags ruining leveling zones.

>>715194176
The social aspect of 2004-2006 was incredible, you had a guild, nobody knew what they were doing and it was simply fun. Nowadays it's full of minmaxxing faggots who autistically plan everything and will kick you from the group if you're not using anything meta.

>leveling on a fresh pvp realm where there are tons of people on both sides in appropriate level brackets for the zone
fun
>leveling on a pvp realm full of bored 60s in full epic gear that will spend all day shutting down an entire zone and forcing you go find somewhere else to quest
not very fun

>>715189961
Stack Stam and you'll have a chance.

>>715194948
>stack stam
>get killed in 2 seconds instead of 1 second
great idea

PvP realms are fine for the first few weeks after a server launch.

>>715189736 (OP)
Back when I first played it, yes.
Not today, especially on private servers that have been going for 5+ years where every faggot with a complete character has to vent by killing lvl 20s.

>>715189736 (OP)
But I do generally roll on PVP servers. That's a huge part of the fun in pservers/classic. SOD peaked in moments where you got group vs group PVP due to rune locations. The only thing I liked about how fucking long phases lasted was that the level locking kept world PVP at the same level, but it would've been better if the class balance wasn't completely dogshit.

>>715195189
Most people played on pvp servers back in 2004 it WAS fun, now its not so much.

>>715195271
>but it would've been better if the class balance wasn't completely dogshit.
so just like vanilla then?

>>715195363
No, SOD class balance was much worse than vanilla's. You'd know if you'd played it. Better luck next time smugposting retard

>>715189736 (OP)
I lost all appetite for ganking in the past 20 years. I’d rather save someone instead.

>”yeah bro people who play on PvE realms are carebears and afraid of ever encountering the other faction”
>look at the population distribution for any PvP realm
>they are always 99% Alli or Horde
hmm

>>715195480
Nihilism has died
The Superman revival has reignited "Hopecore".

Edgy superheroes took the centre stage that just being this powerful beaming saviour protecting the weak and innocent is now a novel idea again

>>715195480
When WoW hardcore came out it was actually pretty fun, but nowadays there's addons telling you where exactly to go and which areas to avoid. Now hardcore is a fucking joke where people just kill mobs 4 levels lower than them nonstop and never quest. Blizzard removing addons from retail might actually be a good thing, the fucking addons tell you everything you need to do.

>>715195363
Nigger it took literally half of wsg to kill me as warlock tank on phase1 and that was without healers, if i had healers i could keep the flag forever and kill everyone in sight and literally stomp anyone in world pvp, even easily fucking up 4 people at a time if i had mana potions with me. World pvp was a fucking joke in SoD and it was even worse then what it was in vanilla

>>715195704
So just don't use them, you fucking retard. There's always going to be a resource for people to look shit up if they want to. That's not going to change if they ban all addons.

>>715189736 (OP)
No, I prefer structured PvP.

>>715194948
That's not how it works. No one engages in pvp unless it's a guaranteed easy win. Typically this will happen when a player is already very low health and / or fighting several mobs.

>>715195719
For me, it's the druids eternally kiting in catform killing you in 3 casts from like 40 yards.

>>715195704
>Now hardcore is a fucking joke where people just kill mobs 4 levels lower than them nonstop and never quest
do people really do this shit? i quested all the way to 60 both times, doing all the dangerous quests along the way (with a group if necessary)
killing falconcrest as a party of 3 was a kino experience desu

>>715195870
>So just don't use them, you fucking retard.
That's not the point, you absolute dumb fucking cunt. God, you're retarded.

>>715196020
Yeah, it's the new "meta" for hardcore, it's the fastest and most efficient way to level with the minimal chances of dying. Everything in Classic WoW has been figured out.

>>715196132
well that's gay as fuck
glad i got out when i did

>>715196036
it is the point, dumbass, and I already told you why. That shit's been going on since the very beginning.

>>715196132
>new
lmao

>>715196020
its not exactly new, but its the safest way to level, especially for warriors

>>715189961
FPBP
Fuck off and play a real fightan if you want PVP and the thrill of genuine competition

>>715195704
>Blizzard removing addons from retail might actually be a good thing, the fucking addons tell you everything you need to do.
blizzard is removing combat addons, the ones that tell you where to go, which areas to avoid, etc are here to stay

>>715196237
I accept your concession, now fuck off.

I did enjoy the thrill of world PvP.
20 years ago.

>>715196272
Mindboggling move from a dev perspective, honestly. If they want to stop the arms race of raid mechanics and M+ shmupshit vs addons, they should just stop designing fights with addons in mind and let retards ruin their own experience as they please. From a marketing perspective, it's a more understandable risk though since too many fucking mouthbreathers need to be forced into changes.

>>715195951
They ran out of mana before i did, they could escape from me but not kill me, priests were a bitch and a half to kill too thanks to dispels but its so mana costly they were fucked long before i was. Same with hunters, the moment i got in range to spam searing pain they couldnt do a thing to me. I could just life drain their pets to keep me in full hp all the time thanks to the master channeler rune. It was fun but it was fucking stupid

>>715196364
>concession
You never even produced a counterargument or argued why other players cheapening their own experience somehow ruined yours, and yet you're the one saying this. My fucking sides, anon. Thank you. Enjoy blaming addons for the choices of the people running them.

WPVP got worse as WoW's design philosophy changed.

Originally, getting to level 60 would be considered an achievement. It took a long time and took you through a LOT of content in the world on the journey. Level 60s were basically playing a different game to everyone else, but there were still effectively two distinct games (Levelling and cap)

Wow basically removed the levelling game and made the game overly convenient to just leapfrog past all the world content and make the focus to race to max level asap, rather than actually experience the world content and reach 60 as a side effect.

That race removes any fun from WPvP. People level too fast, they dont wanna be distracted whilst doing it, they resent the content they are doing and want to be capped, and you doing WPvP are just in their way


The best way to bring back good WPvP to MMOs is to do away with the antiquated levelling system altogether. There shouldnt be levels at all

>>715196237
you are a retard

>>715189736 (OP)
>started playing classic a couple days after launch since im a wagie
>as soon as i hit a contested zone, 2 female orc rogue and an undead rogue start camping my ass
>they are like 20 levels above me
>nobody wants to help since they are busy leveling
>they literally didnt stop killing me for 3 hours
>a dwarf priest walks pasts my dead body
>doesnt get killed
>resurrect
>instantly blown up

>>715189736 (OP)
>world pvp in unbalanced classic mess
being butt fucked by min max twinks, so fun

>>715196568
You never made a coherent point to what was being stated, dumb cunt. Cry more, though, I look forward to more unhinged autism.

>>715196568
>Enjoy blaming addons for the choices of the people running them
he's talking about the mentality of the average player now not addons entirely

>>715196656
>wagie dabbed on by nolife NEETchads
lmao

>>715189736 (OP)
pvp servers and mmos always die for the same reason
you niggers like to act like it's skill-based, but every single time it devolves into high level players ganking low level players and then wondering why everyone quits
the closest thing to a full pvp mmo you'll get is fucking runescape because it's a side activity that the vast majority of players ignores due to there being normal ways of getting the same items.

>>715196873
At least someone gets it.

I rolled on pvp server once cause I had to and it made me never want to do it again. It was just me constantly getting 1 or 2 tapped by max level dudes while leveling or getting ganged up on while I was alone. There was literally no counter-play I could do

>>715196912
>you niggers like to act like it's skill-based, but every single time it devolves into high level players ganking low level players and then wondering why everyone quits
even if you fight people the same level, most players are using their pve spec and get rolled by the pvp player anyways

>>715189996
Yeah. The pvp Nostalrius server was fun.
o7 <Holocaust>

>>715196762
>anon possesses no reading comprehension yet calls others retards
Yes, anon, none of what I said was related to what you were saying at all. Tomorrow, we'll be reviewing Everybody Poops.

>>715196873
And yet he's saying removing the addons will somehow fix the issue when what I'm saying is that the mindset won't change, and people will continue doing the same shit. They'll just use a different resource. What they do has no effect on him, and he's in control of his own experience, so the guide followers should ultimately be mostly irrelevant.

If world pvp is so great why are pvp servers always dead within a week with totally lopsided faction numbers and everyone screaming at devs for a fix to totally player-created problems?

>>715197218
>he doesnt like the 99% horde/1% alliance servers
you are not a real pvper

>>715197218
people dont want to admit that pvp just culls its own playerbase unless the goal of the game is only pvp. Even then its just a slower decline.

>>715189736 (OP)
Why not full pvp even with your faction? Now that would be cancerous fun. Better group up or get fucked.

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?
What thrill? it's usully just a bunch of retards ganking people 40 lvls lower. Not once have I been engaged by someone my own lvl

>>715197287
>I want to gloat about playing on a pvp server but also be able to level with 0 risk of being ganked
you are a larping coping pve player

>>715197287
playing alliance rogue on 99% horde/1% alliance pvp servers is awesome
>horde playing like cattle that can't defend itself
>you strike them when they farm their devilsaurs

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?

>>715189736 (OP)
>See "PVP"
>Immediately have PST about being killed by other players

>See "NTR"
>Immediately imagine themselves being cheated by their gfs

Why are /v/tards in general this pathetic? Why can't you be the trolls killing newfags? Why can't you be the chads NTRing some soi's girl?

>be level 50 rogue
>a 60 warrior tries to gank me
>he's in tier 2 wrath armor
>kill his ass
>begin to tbag him
I love pvp

Is WoW trending right now? Why are there so many threads lately?

>>715198375
killing newfags in a single hit because they're underleveled or new to the game is boring.
any game worth pvping in these days is fully pvp-focused with standardized stats.
also ntr is shit. you faggots always cope about "i'm such an ebin chad bull" yet all of the games and doujins you shill fall under two categories:
>cuckshit where all of the pages use the cuck pov, complete with first-person monologues.
>tranny self-insert shit where it's entirely from the girl's pov

>>715189736 (OP)
99% of world pvp is some faggot 10 levels higher than you ganking you

no thanks

>>715198737
MoP classic is coming out in a few days so blizzard is shilling wow everywhere

>>715189736 (OP)
world "pvp" is just 3 people ganking you while you're low hp fighting a mob, its a meme

>>715189736 (OP)
>Sharing a server with minigamers
Ew no

>>715198375
It’s nice to be nice. Ganking people who can’t fight back or cucking someone is not nice.

>>715193717
And yet it works weirdly well in FFXI, giving reasons for players to interact with each other all the time. Meanwhile WoW is single player

Emergent PvP interactions are pure soul as long as you have some self-control and know how to make it a challenge for yourself. When TBC Classic was about to release and everyone was busy leveling during prepatch, my friends and I would infiltrate Duskwood and just run rampant with level 25 characters we had on hand. We'd split off into groups, pick people off on the roads in 1v1s, and cause as much chaos as possible in the popular questing spots to try to get people to gang up on us. Eventually we'd die and get corpse camped (usually by a 60 who had been called) but it was a lot of fun.

>>715199452
Based fun-haver

>>715199452
It's really frustrating that fun experiences like this have to be really specifically crafted by the player, instead of being naturally integrated into the world.

PVP servers are fun but only when the faction balance is exactly 50:50 which it almost never is. Sometimes private servers enforce a 40:60 limit but that's still more than enough to make things nearly unplayable for the underpopulated faction.

>>715199452
agreed
ganking dudes 40 levels below you is boring as shit for both parties
but when a pair of level 22 twinked the fuck out dudes roll up to lakeshire in full consumes and it ends up being a 15v2 fight to the death that you barely win, that's good shit

>>715199394
>Meanwhile WoW is single player
Wow classic needs you to team up for the most meaningless mobs, because a group of 3 mobs can kill you without you even being able to kill one.

>>715199726
There's no way to preprogram emergent gameplay, you can only lay the foundation for it.

>>715189961
Wow players on classic wow are mostly 3rd worlders with no understanding of anything. I had a level 60 warlock try to gank me at 51 and I won. He was wearing tier 2. Some people just straight up suck at the game and have no understanding of how to play it. I will say that this board is right about wpvp being garbage that no game should have because its mostly ganking. Very rarely is it not. It's a clearly failed experiment. I think wpvp only works in situations like OSRS with a wilderness that has risk/reward in terms of xp/loot. WoW falls flat on its face because there is no risk in ganking someone and the reward is a cheap dopamine killing some helpless idiot.

>>715189736 (OP)
Nah

>>715199971
>i played warrior so obviously every class dies to two mobs
lol?

>>715189736 (OP)
WoW used to be balanced in such a way, that many PvE items from raiding would help in PvP, so people were encouraged to play both parts of the game and it was glorious. Raid group versus raid group was a very real thing, but then people whined and Blizzard separated the game types. If you wanted to progress in PvP you strictly had to play the shitty instanced PvP games, and thus people stopped raiding and the game became smaller and less fun.

>>715200248
>WoW used to be balanced in such a way
not really, people were just garbage with no idea what was good or bad

>>715200063
Yes but you can lay it to different levels of success, and I'd say WoW lays it exceptionally poorly

>>715200410
How so?

I don't like to hurt people and its not fun to get camped when you're just trying to level. NO THANK YOU

>>715200368
Resilience wasn't always a stat you know, and it's early balancing weight wasn't particularly heavy.

>>715199971
Nah. A few quests require you to group up (or wait a few levels) but everything in the world is really fucking easy. It's so simple to avoid death just by having the tiniest amount of awareness of your surroundings and single pulling. Only idiocy, overconfidence and boredom can get you killed.

>>715200641
And that fucking gay layering and hyperspawns in caves. Caves are death traps thanks to hyperspawns and layering

>>715200641
yeah there's only a handful of quests in the entire leveling experience that aren't easily soloable if you're well prepared and know what you're doing. the amount of people i've seen spamming lfg for elite quests that are easily soloable like nekrosh is just sad.

>>715201025
thats because you played the game for 20 years and know every single thing inside and out

>>715200525
How so? As in how can you lay the foundation differently or how does WoW do it poorly? I'll assume the latter.
I don't think WoW encourages WPvP in any meaningful way, since there is essentially no reward, in terms of loot, xp, rarely you can get easier quest objectives but eh.
I think the factions are segregated for far too long which means people never get in the habit of WPvP, and when you do finally see a member of the opposing faction you just ignore them because you have better things to do (as do they). It can take 40+ hours for an average player to get to a truly mixed faction zone.
There's also not a great story impetus to engage in WPvP unless you are heavily role playing. The story just doesn't onboard players at all so who cares if I'm technically at war with someone?
I'm sure there's a ton of other reasons, those are just off the top of my head, but ultimately barely anybody engages in WPvP beyond just random one-sided ganking. The players themselves prove that WoW does not lay a good foundation for it

>>715201136
nta but i feel like wpvp as best as a side mode with no incentive other than fun. if it has substantial rewards or, in wow's case, if it were to have rewards equivalent with a more efficient form of pvp activity (BGs, arena), you'd just end up with players minmaxing it to death and sucking all the joy out of it.
i don't really oppose war mode on private servers because it at least incentivizes people to flag for pvp on pve realms.

>>715201136
The only people arguing for wpvp are gankers themselves that would get rolled in any real pvp game

>>715192282
You attacked them retard. You aren't flagged for PvP in starting zones unless you hit one of them or manually it on.

>>715200776
Yeah fair that's true, but again not too bad if you're not retarded. The hyperspawns can even be really nice if you're a good player.
>>715201025
Escort quests can also be dangerous but again once you realise this it's so simple to be safe. It's such a simple game to solo, the world is so bland and safe, just made for any mongoloid to get through easily.

Just to play devil's advocate though, there are some areas with stealth mobs that can be sketchy. But again, you run to an area, oh a mob came out of stealth, then you see a huge open area with no mobs and oh guess what they're there. So even one of the ways the game attempts to be dangerous is neutered massively

>>715201136
Players that enjoy world pvp don't require a reward for participating in it, do you really think the game would be improved if you gained some significant currency for infiltrating a city of the opposite faction and killing players? No the players do it for fun, retard.

>>715201375
>nta but i feel like wpvp as best as a side mode with no incentive other than fun.
I 100% agree, but you still need to find some way to incentivise players to do it. The fact that WPvP is so often not fun just makes people not want to engage with it.

>>715201571
>the players do it for fun, retard.
Yeah, except they don't. Most players don't engage in it because it's fucking dogshit lmao

>>715189736 (OP)
Go back to crying on the forums about no one being in AB/WSG doing your weird niche mini game

Now that i grew up i finally understood how calm questing is.

>>715189736 (OP)
she's hot

>>715201826
I'd like to see some statistics on that, last time i checked PvP servers were the most popular on classic realms, they have been for the last 21 years. People like PvP because it's fun, more fun than beating the same shitty raid boss every week, get over it.

>>715189961
>outsmarting players that try to ambush you and getting away despite the odds
PvE babbies will never be as good as me.

>>715192282

>>715202037
People like ganking, they don't like even-odds WPvP. Just go and play for yourself, nobody does it

>>715202037
Dreamscythe has had a higher population than nightslayer the entire time.
Nightslayer just has more raiders since thats where the people swiping to raid on 4 alts are.
Cata/Retail pve servers are the biggest(retail being what used to be pve)

>>715198737
Shills trying desperately to pump WoW numbers so they don't get caught in the next round of layoffs.

>>715198737
most popular, successful, and biggest mmo of all time that has affected generations of gamers and the gaming landscape as a whole

>>715189736 (OP)
>leveling my human war
>get ganked by horde
>lose fight and now im a sex slave
I fucking hate PvP bros!

>>715192282
I played WoW on PVP servers for years, and the only time I ever got camped so hard I couldn't get away amounted to once. Maybe use your brain, WoW had a lot of ways to be clever, and most of the brainrotted dipshits that killed you, no matter how high level, could be outmaneuvered.

>>715202185
I still don't see any statistics, retail servers all have warmode now so the're all the same, doesn't matter which server you pick. Only data from classic and vanilla is viable.

>>715202037
pvp is fun, wpvp is boring. love battlegrounds, 'ate ganking lowbies or fighting over herb spawns i need for raid night.
simple as.

>>715202320
trolls are cannibals

>>715202564
so the human male is safe, aside from the snusnu

My best memories of WoW are all related to world PvP clusterfucks.

Certainly not spamming frostbolt in a raid.

>>715189736 (OP)
Some of my best memories in WoW are on pvp servers, they're great. But I'm just selectively picking those memories because most of the interactions I had on pvp servers sucked.

It sort of reminds me of playing PubG and Escape from Tarkov. 99% of the game is boring, you do 20 minutes of nothing then you get a minute of fun gameplay, only I'd say WoW gave an even lower ratio

>>715202369
era raider io realms
It uses the blizzard API. A google search would have shown you that you absolute tard

>Allisissies terrified of wpvp
kek
no wonder their women prefer orcish, troll, and tauren men

>>715203296
Same. I remember playing at launch and everything about WoW was super underwhelming after coming from FFXI, DAOC and UO before it. I thought it was a pretty polished but generic MMO.

But the open world pvp man. Fucking awesome. Rolling up with my new college buddies (who I remain friends with to this day) and just ganking the shit out of Alliance as an all undead team, then fighting off their higher level response force? Pure kino.

>>715203447
Horde players are walking dildos

>>715202369
Warcraftlogs also shows in 2019 pvp and pve all had the same amount of population. PVP servers didn't become large until they took the pvp out by making them monofaction

>>715202269
Yeah but what has it done in the past 10 years, besides a brief hit of buzz for remaking the same game they released 20 years ago

>>715202089
kek smug cunt

99% of "world pvp enjoyers" never broke 1800 in arena

>>715189736 (OP)
most world pvp is you getting ganked because someone else plays the game 10x more than you because you work a full time job.

>b-but you can just gank them back at max level
this isn't fun to me, i don't enjoy ruining people's days because i'm not a psychopath

>b-but you can just call your guild over
ok cool, now i get to wait half an hour while they drop everything they're actively trying to do just in order to provoke a bigger response back (which admittedly is the best part, but there's too much downtime in the process) and back and forth for like three hours. still didn't get that quest done.

>b-but git gud
spending the limited time i have outside my 40 hour work week "gitting gud" just to deal with a mechanic i don't like and can avoid is not my idea of fun. fun is ultimately why i play games.

when world pvp actually works is when you have like 800 people fighting over some shit. this usually happens in max level zones during big events (or sometimes in low level ones right at server launch). those moments are admittedly cool but so are ten thousand other moments i'll have while playing the game.

ultimately i play games to have fun and world pvp makes that experience substantially worse for me the vast majority of the time. so i play on pve servers and have done so since like 2012 (before that i played pvp servers because that was what my friends played on, but then they stopped playing).

>don't you enjoy getting killed by someone you can't possibly resist and either going somewhere else or logging out for a while?
No. I don't. No one does. The "ROLL ON A PVP SERVER DOOD ARE YOU A PUSSY DOOD?" meme is pure peer pressure. There is no actual reason to do it. Any new player who rolls on a classic pvp server does it purely because he has been tricked by a ganking tranny faggot.

>/v/ shits on LFG and cross-server play because it dilutes the feeling of local community of a server
>at the same time, it berates the only way that fosters community and interaction between factions of the same server

>just join a heckin 50 50 server bro!
That's very cool advice, except for the fact that one guild disbanding, causing one forum post saying "ALLIANCE ON THIS SERVER IS HECKIN DYING THEYRE ALL TRANSFERRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!" can cause an instant death spiral turning the server horde only.

>>715193902
Yes.
These worlds should feel dangerous.

>>715189736 (OP)
I enjoyed world PvP back at release when people actually existed outside of city hubs and instances. World PvP died with the introduction of honor points and battlegrounds, which reduced it from organic player interaction to more points-grinding. Almost all PvP moved into instances, while what world PvP remained was reduced to people farming honor points in the 50-60 leveling areas for an efficient grind. There was, like, a 2-year period where PvP servers actually mattered. Now they might as well all be PvE.

>>715204115
RPPvP realms tend to stay balanced but they are also always the least populated by a huge margin. Sad.

>>715189736 (OP)
Normal server.
Know your place, peeveepeepsychopath.

>>715204158
The danger isn’t really tangible or significant though. Getting ganked makes you lose nothing but your time. WoW pvp has no stakes, it’s just people being annoying to eachother.

>>715202089
> hue hue hue hue hue

>>715204158
It doesn't make it feel dangerous, just boring.

>>715193563
he's right about stat scaling being totally out of control, max levels are doing like 100,000x the damage of low levels in some xpacs

>>715202039
>PvE babbies will never be as good as me.
You win. Your reward? I'll never play games with you ever again :)

Warhammer Online had the greatest world PvP ever. Playing WoW for world PvP is like volunteering to fight in ukraine. No real fighting happens then one day you and your garrison just get deleted by thermobaric bombs.

>>715204585
Why are americans so dumb?

>>715189736 (OP)
vanilla world pvp was fun cause nobody knew what they were doing (shout out illidan-US)
classic wow world pvp was fun for a little bit, then once the honor system released it became very cancerous
i played on herod alliance which iirc was like 40-60 alliance/horde or maybe 35-65 and the second the honor system was added there were rogues camping 24/7 in ironforge, every flightpath was camped, etc. still had a couple of fun fights when my guild grouped up to go fight and the horde grouped up to fight back but i would say like 99% of my world pvp experience was just getting ganked at flight paths and shit like that. didn't help i was raid spec holy priest and couldnt afford to respec shadow if i wanted to have a fighting chance every week

>>715204640
Why are you a nigger faggot?

>>715202320
me on left

>>715204696
>then once the honor system released it became very cancerous
Haram opinion, only carebear cucks think that

>>715204585
100% truth, also being able to target friendlies/enemies at the same time is amazing, I dunno why it's not more common

>>715204717
Typical low IQ reply

>>715192282
>belf
yeah they are kos just like undead males. deal with it mate

I am a ganker psychopath. You may hate me, but I also police problem people on your faction.

You, a reasonable human being, probably get killed a couple times then go "oh he's camping, I'll go play a different character for awhile". The 'problem' people on your faction are the sub 75iq yet incredibly stubborn fucking retards who keep trying to rez for hours (my friend is ganking the spirit healer also to make sure they can't hearth).

Rez. rez. rez. rez. rez. run run run run run. Rez rez rez rez. These people know its impossible, they know they are being camped, they know whats going to happen, but they try anyways. These people are leveling, creeping up, and up, slowly but surely filtering into your guilds, your raids, polluting your faction.

It's up to men like me to mentally destroy them and chase them off the server before they reach that point. Many of them quit, and its only because of psychopaths like me that there aren't more of this specific type of retard around to ruin your endgame.

The ones who survive that with their ego and psyche intact? They develop the hate and motivation necessary to inspire them to great acts of violence and crime against your opposite faction, ensuring the cycle of violence that amuses us all continues. Vengeance. Payback. Legitimate, real hate. The ganker is the one who initiates the cycle and solidifies it.

Without the ganker, the pvp server dies.

WoW world pvp was always abysmal dogshit. Classes were never even close to balanced and were especially unbalanced in vanilla, there is jack fucking shit you can do against higher numbers unless you are MUCH stronger stats wise than them or they are mentally retarded and there is jack fucking shit you can do against a higher level player with a faster mount running you down and oneshotting you.

Then they introduced flying mounts and it became impossible to do anything on the ground without some faggot who spends 18 hours a day in the skies hunting for lone players swooping down when you start fighting any mob to try and get an easy kill.

>>715204640
left lobe is thinking about how to please niggers, right lobe is thinking about how to please jews

>>715204828
i just play on pve though

>>715204826
undead females are kos (kiss on sight)

>>715203729
wow arena has the distinction of being on of the gayest forms of player vs player combat thought up in not just mmos, but in online games in general

>>715204856
Brainworms: The post

>>715204297
pve andy history revision? that's a new one

everyone knows the pvp megaservers are what boosted the popularity of the game in the early days

>>715204780
i mean i explained that i was a raid spec holy priest. every time i landed on a flight path having a group of 3 horde kill me 4-5 times got a little tiring

>>715204794
Guild Wars 2 was a close second to Warhammer Online but WvW wasn't really true world PvP. Also you just couldn't really play it at all if you rolled on the wrong server.

>>715198957
>>715202206
>>715202269
hm, one of these replies is not like the others, but i can't quite put my finger on how...

>muh le heckin wpvp is unbalanced and unfair!
yeah that's what it makes it so fun retard. back in the days most of the people started playing wow only because of those old sick pvp movies on youtube

RP>PVP.

>>715204835
class balance was not important for world pvp because it was all about organization (bring more dudes) and ambushes (fight smarter, not harder)

If you have a game with relatively unskilled players on average then open world pvp can add spice and strategy to the game. The problem is that at a certain point the internet advanced to the point that encountering people who aren't hyper optimized became impossible. Playing on a PVP server on modern classic servers is just paying a tax that wastes your time and makes you log out for a while, with absolutely no reward.

>>715203729
why would I do arena? I'm interested in murdering people and terrorizing them, then denying any chance at payback, not gladitorial combat.

>>715205090
I enjoy both arena and world PvP, they are not mutually exclusive.

>>715202483
Why do everyone think WPVP means ganking lowbies? It means ganking multiple other 60s to create cool PvP clips that make you feel awesome. Do none of you niggers know what warcraft movies was?

>>715204585
>Warhammer Online had the greatest world PvP ever
This.
>dedicated pvp lakes sprouted throughout zones so you couldn't get unfairly ganked trying to do other shit
>mitigation system actively punishes faggots deliberately camping much weaker foes or only fighting with a huge number advantage
>tons of rewards for different types of pvp, sieges, arenas and world objectives all reward you differently
>huge incentive to actually engage with it since if your side wins the current war everyone gets phat loot
>having multiple siege zones at once meant each side had to actually think about where they were focusing their forces, put everyone on one castle and you get an easy victory but there is jack shit stopping the other side from hitting several of your less defended areas
>environments were actually built with pvp in mind, many abilities to knock people off of heights and shit, ways to lock down large swathes of land

It's a shame the only community server left up is both run by huge faggots and full of niggers that just realm swap when they are losing.

>>715205185
Because it obviously does in reality and your delusional coping is irrelevant, retard.

>>715189736 (OP)
Not always.
It's fun sometimes but that's one time out of 10 where I'm level 30, then I see a horde dude level 30 and we both kinda just awkwardly go by while side eyeing one another and as soon as the other dude has lost even 5 HP from fighting a quest mob the other guy immediately rushes at them to kill them (or as soon as another faction member shows up).
Pure wild pvp is not fun. That's why I always avoided Stranglethorn Veil when leveling up on a pvp realm. You can't take two steps without getting attacked by another dude that could be your level or max level.

>>715205154
yea, and then when you are questing a rogue saps you and his 9 buddies come running over a hill to beat the shit out of you

fun fun fun

>>715205242
>and full of niggers that just realm swap when they are losing.
gotta reward the players that are doing the best on the losing side. being #1 loser should pay much better than #99 "winner"

>UH AKSHUALLY ONCE IN 2006 I HAD LE EPIC BATTLE IN STRANGLETHORN SO DEREFORE WORLD PVP LE GOOD

>>715205247
Huge cope, sure you got some lowlifes camping low levels but most WPvP happens at appropriate levels, 1vx is the reason I play MMOs, it will always be funny as fuck.

>>715205319
10/11 players enjoyed this encounter. where are your 9 buddies?

It's impossible to have both good PvE and good PvP in the same game. WoW is primarily a PvE game.

>>715205394
No. That is untrue. 100% of world pvp is ganking. The 0.000001% that is "fair" is so small it is negligible. The fact that you deny this, is mental illness.

ganking is fair

not once have i had a fun world PVP encounter in my few hundred hours across multiple realms. it's always a higher level/higher geared player ganking someone they know they can kill, or a paladin

>>715192282
starter zones are sanctuary areas, so unless you attacked them, they can't hurt you. so if this happened to you, it's because you are retarded. this applies to PvP servers too.

>>715205571
Cool opinion. Unfortunately for you recently normies caught on, stopped caring about the fake peer pressure, saw Blizzard's warning and just started playing on pve servers.

>>715205585
>or a paladin
if you don't enjoy killing paladins (or taunting the bubblehearing bitches) i don't know what to say

>>715202320
This sort of thing is hot AF, especially with a big level gap between the two so they're at your mercy or vice versa. PvP servers won for producing this open world ERP kino

>>715205185
It might've not been like that in actually vanilla WoW, which I played and seemed way more populated than its re-release. There were always people around to help you and it was fun. I've suspected Blizzard's sub numbers have been completely fabricated since burning crusade. Anyways yeah nah the vanilla rerelease experience wasn't the same at all. Even on high pop servers I barely ever saw anyone and when I did they were purposely hunting people leveling because they knew there weren't any level 60's around salivating at a chance to countergank like there in actual vanilla.

nothing will ever beat being a warlock in stv and ganking lower level ally noobs

god take me back, i used to target gnome players as a passion

>bestial wrath
>enter shadowmeld
>send cat

that's pvp for me

>>715205502
if you're the one player instigating a fight against two or more players then sure, technically you're right- but you're also wrong. Because those players wouldn't consider it ganking, they would consider it a fun challenge.

>>715205394
the 1vx is you vs the guy fighting monsters at 50% hp lmfao

>>715192439
>PvP is absolutely fucking retarded as a concept
this is such a dogwater take, wtf are you even talking about lmfao. it's the entire basis of practically all of human existence.

>>715205643
>zoomers are carebear bitches
yes we know

The only fun I ever have on PvP realms is when I'm on a new character and I see a max level Warlock running by on his horse and he stops in front of me to stare at my soul and I just /wave.
Then it's a dice roll between getting waved at back and they leave or I get a shadow bolt.

>>715205649
>i don't know what to say
>17 words

>>715205689
You really are a delusional mentally ill faggot, huh? You know you can just be an asshole and still accept reality, right? Like this faggot >>715205725

nobody watched videos of wow pve back in the day
everyone watched videos of wow pvp

>>715205724
anon I think he was referring to wow pvp specifically and not competition as a general concept

zoomie meltdown time

>lf you don't let me gank you for hours with a character 60 levels ahead you are a pussy
always the stupidest argument; nearly the same thing happens when people install the elden ring mod that removes pvp and some /v/ fag whines about it. you get the sense it's just a desperate faggot who only gets thrills from beating less powerful or less experienced players no matter what game he is playing

>>715205870
100%

>>715205853
I was watching the funny machinimas

>>715205821
>getting this mad in a wow thread

>>715194304
you know what, i actually really enjoy this take, and why it's not already a thing in the game is actually mindblowing. never understood why max level should be able to kill levelers when they get nothing out of it.

>>715205663
>which I played and seemed way more populated than its re-release
Classic servers had like 10 times the population of original servers, you delusional cocksucking retard.
>NO DAT NO DA TRUE CUZ VANILLA HAD DA MORE SUBSCRIBERS!!!!
Yes, tardfaggot, but it also had many more servers and less people rolling on the same meta servers. Seriously what the fuck is it with this board and just denying reality?

>>715205821
You're obviously a boring cunt that don't know what fun is so why should I listen to you? You would rather slay dragons for a couple of hours each week and log out, you don't even play video games by any proper measurement so fuck off.

I enjoyed playing bounty hunter at level 60, patrolling my faction's low level zones for over-leveled retards trolling lowbies. I left people under 60 alone.

>>715205676
>i used to target gnome players as a passion
based and gnomepilled. worse faggots than nelf players, and that took some doing

mentally weak zoomers are not fit for PvP games with no guide rails
what a coddled generation

>>715205853
I beat Swifty in a fury vs fury duel using a programmed mouse macro. That's why they're adding that functionality into the game as a baseline now. Non-retards with programmable peripherals who actually read the instructions have an unfair advantage. True story.

>>715198737
Classic+ being talked about again due to a survey asking people what they want.

>>715205951
>being this out of arguments
I actually played the game. I am a real person, not a /v/ermin faggot retard desperate to fit in at any cost. I post what I think, not what I imagine the /v/ermin masses will accept.
>>715206017
I played the video game. That is why I know how it actually worked, unlike you, 12 year old shitskinned larping faggot. Kill yourself.

>>715206167
>i post what i think, not what i imagine the /v/ermin masses will accept
>(still) getting this mad in the wow thread

>>715198737
I dunno by I started playing on a private server again last week. Shit's fucking dead though jaja schizos are the only good part

>>715205991
>t. never played actual vanilla
We know. Have another melty about it.

>you: still mad 15 years later
>me: still lmaoing 15 years later
god bless world pvp

>>715206309
Still no arguments from the LARPing shitskinned 12 year old

>>715204794
>being able to target friendlies/enemies at the same time is amazing
the Goblin Shaman class in that game was built around this and it was my favorite healing class in any game ever, getting bonuses to healing because you dealt damage and vice versa was really cool and once you got good at it, you became a fucking NIGHTMARE to deal with
>healing allies
>faggot start slapping me
>nuke him
>hurl out a ton of dots at the enemy group
>use healing gain from that to immediately group heal everyone
>repeat
>unless you get disabled or every single dps targets you at once you are basically unstoppable

>>715189736 (OP)
In classic pvp servers are complete ass. Horde are insulated in their pvp free zones and alliance are open season once they go to lakeshire. Not to mention if you ever want to do Wailing Caverns, you'll have horde afking in places like Ratchet or outside WC all day long.

>>715206365
what argument are you posing apart from "im older than you and whiter than you"

>>715206167
You only know how raids work because they're instanced zones sheltered from the outside world, Blizzard knew what they were doing when they created this game, giving retards like you a place to grow into proper faggots that hate fun.

>>715206426
>willingly playing Alliance for any reason whatsoever
>not fucking hot orc pussy while a tauren babe licks your balls with her huge tongue
ngmi

There isnothing in this world more asinine and pointless than competitive fucking RPG.
That shit is retarded from the root up. Imagine if you were at a Chess board and the dipshit across the way says "I've played 40 hours this week so all my Pawns move two spaces and my Spec lets my Queen survive one take."

>>715189736 (OP)
There is no true PVP in WoW. One side clearly dominates the other.

>>715206352
So are you going to refute what I posted? Or just More brown 12 year old LARP shit. Are you seriously claiming that original servers were larger than 2019 classic servers? If you are, then can you explicitly post that right now, in your own words?
>>715206473
>>715206475
Why are there no arguments? Why no refutations? I know this board is an absolute shithole, but this is too easy.

>>715206518
I don't want to be a fucking gluron, sorry.

>>715206531
depends, in the case of WoW you'd be correct but decent mmorpg pvp takes place when players are of roughly equal strength levels so there is less of a stats advantage, it's not like a jrpg or something where Fatfuck the Mighty wins every game because he spent 16 hours earlier that day grinding

>>715206518
TAZDINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

>>715206614
>Why are there no arguments? Why no refutations?
You get what you put in, it's a true Chinese room.

>>715206518
Leveling in the barrens is a soul killing experience. Who even wants to visit fantasy africa? Then you have weird boomers making shitty jokes and puns nonstop in general chat and comic geniuses adding 'anal' to any word in chat.

>>715206601
Arena and Battleground Blitz are both mixed faction battles.

>>715206684
You come get da voodoo

>>715206614
Sure lemme rev up the time machine, fucking retard. I wish I had one so I could go back in time and stop your familial molestation. Maybe you'd be less of a sperg today.

>>715206751
yea the barrens sucks but it's still the best zone because barrens cha-
>Then you have weird boomers making shitty jokes and puns nonstop in general chat and comic geniuses adding 'anal' to any word in chat
oh you are a zoomer with no sense of humor, nevermind

[Anal] Smiting

>>715206751
africa is a wonderful continent if you can just remove... quillboar... on sight

wow pvp be like
>2 guys just strafe jumping around each other in a circle like jackasses

>>715206751
this guy is suffering from Anal [Rupture]
>Rank 5
>25 energy
>Melee Range
>Instant
>Finishing move that causes damage over time, increased by your Attack Power. Lasts longer per combo point:
>1 point : 176 damage over 8 secs
>2 points: 255 damage over 10 secs
>3 points: 348 damage over 12 secs
>4 points: 455 damage over 14 secs
>5 points: 576 damage over 16 secs

>>715206751
I always detour to Silverpine first
Gonna have to go to Barrens eventually but at least you kind kind of delay the inevitable

>>715206831
I cannot tell if this is a troll or not. Vanilla WoW had a shit ton of servers and added more servers. It also had players who did not 90% roll on meta servers. Therefore, the servers had fewer players than classic wow. Why is this hard for you to understand, you cocksucking retarded underaged faggot?

>>715206868
Anal [Wirt's Third Leg]

>>715206995
do carebears get mad about son of arugal?

>>715189736 (OP)
I've never played a MMO with World PvP. PvP has only ever been opt in via a location like The Wilderness or Cyrodill. Or a toggle like in New World. What was forced World PvP like? If you have to olay on PvP server ian't that server normally dead shortly after launch?

>>715189736 (OP)
No, I don't enjoy rolling on servers with a minimum 4:1 population imbalance. No, you are not a badass if you roll on the side that never fights at worse than 3:1 odds ever.

>>715207075
maybe? I dunno. That’s just part of the experience and they aren’t that hard to avoid.

>>715196269
This but unironically

>>715207027
That were filled up by refugees from EQ, Ultima Online and Asheron's Call as soon as they opened. WoW released in such a huge vacuum they instantly monopolized the entire MMO audience. Which is very notably smaller today than it was then. No one likes MMOs anymore. There's a reason everyone says its a dead genre artificially propped up by whales and they aren't wrong.

>>715207087
It's exactly what this thread full of brown teenagers is gloating over: getting your shit stomped by a huge group of people you have no chance against. Very unfun.

>>715207351
group organization is an aryan skill

>>715207087
>If you have to olay on PvP server ian't that server normally dead shortly after launch?
in the most extreme cases the losing side just transfers to another server where they are the majority and the original server ends up with a 99:1 ratio, i think in classic there was only 1 server that was like 45:55, all others were like 70:30 or worse

>>715207402
>organization
>everyone zerg rush the one guy

I used to bait low levels into attacking me, and then killed myself with the "tal-Rasha's sacrificial dagger" toy from Mop, just so they would get confused, overconfident, and tell people they somehow 1shot a high level player.

>>715207583
>nooooo you can't just leverage your superior coordination to fight effectively

>>715207351
>huge group of people
This really barely happens, if it did that would actually be fun since it might instigate a huge fight like how wpvp is supposed to be.
Instead it’ll be one or two rogues taking out their frustration on someone 20/30 levels beneath them for several hours.

>>715207593
you could probably achieve the same effect with feign death for most lowbies, but that's pretty funny

>>715206884
if you jump your position won't update until you land again, awful move

here's actual world pvp pro moves:
/s BUNCH OF ALLIANCE IN NORTH STRANGLETHORN, COME FUCK THEM UP

>he didn't walk into Goldshire as an undead mage completely bare ass naked and seduce their women with his sick dance moves

>>715208115
i was busy macking the femtauren with my rotting member

>>715207993
>/s
this anon does not play the game

rigor mortis (for the ladies)

>>715208185
look it's been a while and i'm on my fourth drink. /shout

>>715208271
>anon digs his hole deeper

/yell

NOW i remember

>>715208307
>anon plays nuwow

>>715189736 (OP)
>getting corpse camped by max level rogues when you're level 10 and get out of your faction's starter zone
yeah forget that shit.
>b-but they just want PVP call in your strong guildmates!
No they don't want PVP, they just stay in stealth while your guildmates babysit you doing quests until they get bored and leave, then they corpse camp you again.
because they have literally nothing better to do apparently.
They don't want PVP they just want to grief.

>didn't-play-the-game-kun thinks /yell is enough to call people across the zone
lol
lmao even

>>715208460
org on an alt (main), nigger. how desperate are you?

>>715208460
NTA but stop being a nigger, /yell has considerable range and everyone knows about /1 if you want the full zone

I always wished WoW had a global chat, for shitposting purposes of course, not like you could do that these days

>>715208408
hunting down stealthed rogues that are trying to gank your lowbies is a perfectly legitimate form of pvp

>>715208627
>backstab oneshots lowbie
>vanishes
good going dude

>>715208408
i wish i could beam the image of a job application into every rogue's mind so that they instantly shit their daipies

>>715208408
God decades later and the fucking dopamine surge from hearing one of you pathetic fucks cry out in agony as I grief you STILL hits like a truck, so fucking good. If we were in game I'd stay up all night sitting on your quest objectives ruining the game for you and I'd fucking love it.

>>715208695
the chase is on

>you'll never find m- ACK
nice try

>>715208847
genuinely made me laugh knowing there are people like this in the world
so pathetic that they cling to memories of ganking lowbies 20 years ago because that's the last time they had any feelings of power

>>715208847
>anon is in his 30s and the highlight of his life was corpse camping level 20 players in redridge
bwo...

I’m going to be real, if you never ganked someone hard enough to get hate mail or hate whispers you didn’t play the game.

>>715190876

Indeed, they captured lightning in a bottle with SOD. But of course Blizzard being Blizzard they managed to fuck it up in many ways.

>>715208627
I never said it wasn't, defending noobs getting camped is a much better way to world PVP.
There are times I enjoyed world PVP but the griefers kinda ruin it.
Real world PVP is like, An Alliance Raid vs Horde raid fighting over a green dragon spawn or other world boss. There was some great world PVP around the time of the gates of Ahn Qiraj world event because guilds were competing to open the gate first.
That shit is fun
on level players finding each other in a contested zone and fighting it out is fun.

But griefers going after low level players? That shit ruins world PVP for everyone.

>>715189736 (OP)
World PvP was a mistake that became one of the nails in the coffin of MMO for normifags, it's strange that it took so long for the game creators to realize this.

>>715209129
>doing this to some lowbies instead of stomping on some fag so hard at gladiator ratings they make constant bitching threads about you on the battlegroup forums

>>715189736 (OP)
Hardcore > Regular servers

>>715208408
I will never, ever forget this shit
>questing in STV as horde, ud mage
>doing some shit near a river
>suddenly ye olde stealthed gnome rogue with pink hair and asshole name like Suxtobu attacks
>I'm frost and he has no idea how to counter the slowdown
>get him nearly dead and back off because I'm a big fat pussy IRL and feel bad at the thought of someone else having to do the corpsewalk
>he eats and drinks back to full
>IMMEDIATELY stealths and tries to kill me again
>rinse wash repeat
>starts screaming some shit in his unintelligible midget babble, assume he's talking shit and/or complaining
>keeps attacking even though he's close to death
>finish him off
>go back to minding my own business
>like 20 minutes later, maximum level human warlock comes out of nowhere with the fucking gnome running right behind him
>oneshots me
>gnome laughs at my body
>log off for the day because such shameless faggotry bothers me to my core

>>715208847
>decades
>same shit

>>715209221
World PvP was implemented at the last second because people were clamoring for it just before release, it wasn't planned at all

>>715209264
wpvp tards can't grasp the concept of actually being GOOD at pvp
they shrink back in fear the instant you mention arenas or bgs

>>715209221
it's really just one shitty mindset that ruins it for everyone, the people who are just out to cause grief for others.
ESO and GW2 have "world" pvp in that it's on open maps, but since it is a separate map from the main world that people are scaled up if they're coming in low level, nobody's getting 1 shot by griefers, that is a lot better, if someone 1v1 attacks you you have a chance to fight back.

>>715195116
You ever think maybe it's you that makes it an easy win for them?

>>715209415
because they don't want a fair fight, they want a one sided stompfest where they have 0% chance of losing so they can get a sadistic kick out of making the game suck for others

>>715205663
>seemed way more populated than its re-release
>Even on high pop servers I barely ever saw anyone
this actually has a good explanation. blizzard fucked up classic wow with layering. so instead of a single world for all of the players in that realm like on private servers or retail vanilla you had like +10 different layers to try to lower queue times

>>715209326
the mongs who roll on pvp servers wouldn't even make it to level 10 on hardcore lmao
they all talk a big game about wanting the world to feel dangerous but when the world is actually dangerous they'll find any excuse to not play it

>>715199452
WoW pvp will never ever be as fun as pvp in Dark Souls 2. If you want to pvp just play DS2/3 and have fun. It's a much better game.

>>715209403
loads of good things start as spur or the moment ideas

>>715189736 (OP)
No I don't. PvP was a mistake. Games should be about co-op and working together for a better world.

>>715209684
i kill alliance faggots for the benefit of future generations

>Warhammer Online perfects pvp, implements a ton of cool shit for the first time ever

>nobody ever copies or learns anything from it

>>715209684
then play modern wow lol

>>715189736 (OP)
>Don't you enjoy the thrill of world pvp?
No
>>715209684
>PvP was a mistake.
not true but world pvp was for wow. fun in world pvp predicates on the fact that people don't want to do it. if everyone wanted to do pvp on a wpvp server then half of the ppl that think they enjoy it would be complaining.

>pick gnome rouge regardless of faction balance hoping that it eventually becomes horde sided
>get my gear and what not before all the alliance leaves
>stay laround level 50 ish
>know that a naked rouge can kill any class as long as they are good
>go around and killing level 45s and 60s in wpvp
>find my hiding spot in org and kill lone players
You're just not pvping correctly

>>715205383
Can't deny that smile.

>>715208979
>>715209113
>>715209349
What you people don't get is that it's just a game. Ganking noobs isn't some big psychological thing. It's just funny in 99% of cases where there isn't some obsessive stalking going on. Realistically, a ganker will kill someone 1-3 times and get bored.
Ganking is good for the game because it makes the world feel lived-in and riles people up. WoW story and gameplay has never been better than mid. It's the emotions and immersion it was able to bring out that made it great. Ever since 2006 or so the game's philosophy has been sliding toward "get players to the content as efficiently as possible". The issue is that the content has always and will always suck

I wonder what Project Epoch is doing about the leveling experience. Will it still be the same zones?

>>715209778
>Warhammer Online perfects pvp
>nobody ever plays it
never even tried it lmao

>>715209328
what weird me out with rogues is that for several expansions in a row they just kept getting more and more tools they didnt need so they never had to commit to any fight.
In classic, if you got a bleed or dot on a rogue, then vanish wouldn't completely save them, but they got cloak, and then they got a disarm, and then cloak and vanish got buffed to remove all debuffs like dots.
They became incredibly safe and incredibly hard to punish if they fucked up because they could just vanish and try again 2 minutes later if they were losing in any way. It just became tedious to deal with them.

I kind of prefer PvE just to sit and chill, but a lot of private servers bank on being PvP to keep people playing, so I just kind of deal with it. It usually amounts to sometimes having one autist camping a low level area so you just move on to a different one for a few hours.

I never actively seek fighting, but it is always fun when someone tries to jump you and they're dog shit at PvP. I remember one server where a Paladin tried to jump me multiple times in one hour and lost every battle. I never instigated the fights and just focused on my questing until he tried attacking.

>>715210604
pvp devs played RM in arena and got butthurt over real pvp. all you need to know

>>715189736 (OP)
O yea love the thrill of not having a fighting chance against max level players...

>>715210728
*RMP

gnomes are kill on sight btw. I have never seen as many pussies that pllay the game as gnomes. The pussy race. Literally all other races are superior.

I'm gonna flag up in Project Epoch, get a bunch of additional XP and there isn't a god damn thing you losers can do about it.

>>715210762
you have access to /1 and /g same as they do

>>715210665
>I never actively seek fighting, but it is always fun when someone tries to jump you and they're dog shit at PvP
same. One time I was playing a paladin on a classic server and a walock tried to jump me in tunnels leading up to BFD.
It became a weird fight of attrition as I nuked his demon with exorcism and began slowly slapping the guy to death with a hammer. I managed to win because LoH +Bubble bandage is too much hp for the guy to try to burn through.

>>715210989
gnome players are the type of person who'll read "this race is played entirely by faggots" and go "i've got to be one"

>>715189736 (OP)
>thrill of world pvp
fags jumping you when they have the advantage, i.e. when you're fighting a mob, low HP or retarded high levels entering lower lvl areas to kill low lvl players.

Why would anyone find that fun? Where is the fun in this gameplay? Seems very childish, time wasting and just being an asshole.

>>715206751
It's the best zone in the game. Tons of quests, cozy leveling, running into a wide variety of players, decent gear, three fucking dungeons, it might honestly be packed with too much content for its own good.

>>715211230
I jump people when I don't have an advantage too just for the thrill of it but nobody ever talks about that.

>>715211230
>noooooo you can't just fight smart

>>715211349
stv is the best zone in the game

>thread is still up
>anons still mad about addons but lack reading comprehension
fuckin lel

>>715189736 (OP)
Nothing thrilling about ganksquads and rogues. Tho at least you can kill half the people competing for mobs and nodes. On PvE servers the biggest enemy is your fucking faction. Niggers who drag mobs to you to try and interrupt your mining, or who specifically drag extra mobs into your cleave (AFTER HAVING TAGGED THEM) so they can leech off you. At least when an opposite faction does it they know they're gonna have to face real retaliation and get counter-ganked.

>>715211230
people like this exist >>715208847
there are people that sad that fondly think back on ganking low level players as the high point of their pathetic life.

>>715211580
>he's still mad

>>715205951
this entire fucking thread is mad all around
>>715204640
>>715205724
>>715197147
>>715196568
>>715195870
fuckin retards lmao

>>715211039
Warlocks either know all their buttons and can wipe the floor with you, or they only press three buttons and do the bare minimum. There is no in-between. Also I think Paladin PvP is fun in particular in Vanilla just for the fact that it's only until your enemy is halfway through the fight and realize they aren't making progress with your health and are losing, but they also can't just leave now that they're here. You can see it with how they attempt to run and then realize they can't.

>>715211580
>STILL mad

>>715211659
>>715211808
Why does WoW make anons so angry?

>>715211830
> There is no in-between
nah i've seen plenty of middling 'locks relying on the advatantage or surprise (or dying from he lack of)

>>715207767
it only happens when the devs do world events that motivate RAID GUILD players to congregate in contested zones in the world to fight over a rare spawn.
The green dragons and Ahn Qiraj gate opening event were peak Vanilla WoW world PVP.
I do have fond memories of that and even the opposing side's players would come on our ventrilo days later and we were reminiscing how crazy that fight was we ended up pulling like 100 players from each side into the coast of Azshara fighting in the water corpses floating all around. Both sides enjoyed it, there were threads about it in the realm forums.

That was brilliant planning by Blizzard to find legitimate reason to get large zergs of opposing players fighting each other in the world.

But that's like.. 1% of all world PVP.

>>715211970
>laughs in southshore

>>715211468
>go to turn in a safari quest
>at least five people are sitting around the camp
>one guy randomly attacks someone on accident
>within moments it's a blood bath that other people trying to turn in their quests will have to participate in
>one faction starts taking it over as you're only ten or so minutes away from someone bringing in their max level character to join the fray
>as soon as you leave the comfort of the camp, three members of the opposite faction jump you
Good times.

>>715212136
The only decent thing about that fucking camp is the GY is like 5 seconds away.

>>715212272
that, and all the murder

>>715189961
skill issue

>>715211580
god YES YES YES FEEL BAD FEEL HORRIBLE SUFFER MAKE ME FEEL GOOD YESSSS

>>715189736 (OP)
I used to, but now-days nothing is organic and everyone is bis maxxed one-shotting you

>>715212369
if he has no chance it's by definition not a skill issue

the only time wpvp is fun is when they open a new server, 2 weeks after that is just max level rogues, druids and hunters ganking lowbies

>>715189736 (OP)
>thrill
>either getting stomped before i realize someone was even there or bullying some twink
wow isnt really balanced for pvp

>>715212506
press the [Enter] key to invoke the immense power that brings you beyond 1v1

>>715189736 (OP)
World PvP in World of Warcraft often lacks genuine challenge or engagement, as it frequently devolves into high-level players forming gank squads to overwhelm and repeatedly kill much lower-level characters. Rather than offering fair, competitive encounters, it becomes a one-sided slaughter that discourages exploration and interrupts gameplay. What’s worse, it often feels less like PvP and more like a digital form of bullying especially when it’s done by players who may have been bullied themselves in real life, now using the game as a way to feel powerful at someone else’s expense. Instead of fostering fun or strategy, it ends up promoting toxicity and frustration.

>>715212496
So fucking funny how back in 2004 nobody played druids because the general consensus was they were by far the worst class in the game and totally useless.

>>715212671
th<Anks chatgpt

>>715212460
he thinks he has no chance because he's a shitter, all the people bitching about dying to 60s killing them are shitters too, learn to level efficiently even if you start a server late and you wont have a problem with max levels
t. have leveled to 60 10+ times all on pvp servers from classic through wrath patches

skill
issue

>>715212736
>You'll be fine if you spend 18 hours a day at start on the server like me!

>>715193563
>Not really, no, because the 60 was going to have real gear

most players didn't raid and there weren't welfare epics, for a time there weren't even pvp epics. Most 60s had dungeon loot.

>>715212789
You don't need to spend more time, you need to only know where to go and how to fight players with your class. Everything is on you. Don't get upset at me because you can't defend yourself in the open world.

Continue to cry.
Skill.
I
S
S
U
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>>715212736
>literally describes a stat differential
>calls it a skill issue
epic

>>715212862
The only ones crying are wpvp retards when people realise they don't want wpvp

>>715212736
And now people like you are a minority as even the wow streamers realize OSRS is a significantly better game. WoW isn't an MMORPG its an RPG Escape from Tarkov session with seasonal wipes.

>>715212880
>retard bot-fighting pvedrooler can't read
typical

>>715212921
really because read the thread, its a bunch of butthurt faggots upset that they can't accept the fact that fighting other players requires more game knowledge and mechanical skill than fighting bots

>>715212862
>SKILL ISSUE
>lv18 vs lv60 is a skill issue
Anon you just might be retarded.

>>715213015
>i cant read the post
le epic!

>>715212862
People will say shit like this and then simultaneously cry about how dead pvp is in mmos in the same breath

I've been PVE and crossfaction-pilled, I'll never go back to PVP servers

>>715212736
>if you die in a game where it's impossible to avoid most attacks against an opponent who deals 500x the amount of damage you deal while taking 0.1% of the amount of damage you take it's a skill issue

>>715211830
>attempt to run and realize they can't
And what, pray tell, is stopping them from running from guy with no damage and no slows?

>>715213141
peak trannyposting

>>715213014
>really because read the thread, its a bunch of butthurt faggots upset that they can't accept the fact that fighting other players requires more game knowledge and mechanical skill than fighting bots
I dunno, most of the thread seems to be complaining about being ganked by max levels than actually any fair pvp fights.

>>715212736
>just level in the starter zone grinding mobs until they give you literally 0 xp, then venture into the contested zones only at 5am in the morning hoping that the nolifes still have to sleep, it's ez.

>>715192282
>character's name is class + adjective
wowtards dont have a single creative bone in their body

>>715213162
>I TRIED TO LEVEL IN HIGH TRAFFIC QUEST ZONES WHILE BEING LATE TO THE SERVER AND SOMEONE'S FRIEND IS HELPING THEM LEVEL, THEN I DIDNT LEAVE AND QUEST ELSEWHERE SO I CAN STAY HERE AND BE BUTTHURT ABOUT MUHPVP!!!
>HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME?!!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PVEMAN SAVE ME
giant fucking retard

>>715213141
same. I leveled to max on a pvp server in vanilla and TBC and I fucking hated it. Farming motes of air was so damn stressful since you'd fight people all the damn time on a populated server

I don't know how idiots think flying diminshes wpvp when it's really hard to escape fighting the opposite faction in farming spots

>>715189736 (OP)
I played on a PvE server 1 time and it was the most boring thing ever. Nothing to do in the world but quests and farm and blizzard are so pants on head retarded they nerfed gold farm from killing mobs to "combat bots".
Battlegrounds are the worst type of PvP too, especially in classic where the meta is to run AV over and over and avoid fighting enemy players as much as possible, so you cant even "get your pvp fix" from battlegrounds because of the minmax autism where people dont care about fighting and just want to get their points asap.

Everything about "classic wow" is shit now. phasing is an inherently anti MMO feature if it is not contained sparingly to very specific story events. Being able to change your phase instantly to escape enemy player or refresh your farm spot is anti MMO.

Blizzards sucks, the people who play wow suck. Im glad i dont play anymore.

>>715213435
>same. I leveled to max on a pvp server in vanilla and TBC and I fucking hated it. Farming motes of air was so damn stressful since you'd fight people all the damn time on a populated server
this is literally the only fun part of the entire fucking video game, what else is there to do? raid? where i press 2 buttons for the same fucking bot-content from 20 years ago? fucking snoozefest

flying does suck ass though

>>715213435
>Farming motes of air was so damn stressful since you'd fight people all the damn time
pve bitch faggots summed up in one sentence

World pvp had serious problems but with the brazen casuals and anti funners in this thread, I'm glad the game is shit now and it's over. So many of you never deserved what you had. If you got ganked by skulls a lot, that's the game. If you never asked randoms to quest with you so you can watch each others back, that's you. If you never used zone chat to call for help, thats you. If you never went on a hunting party with your firends, thats you. If you never dueled someone your level in the field, that's you. If you never once killed people higher level than you, that's you. If you ganked lowbies and you think your actions are completely representative of the game, that's you. If you don't look back on wow and think of it like this movie, that's you, or maybe you picked the wrong class.

>>715189736 (OP)
I'm too old to tolerate being ganked by Argentinians and Chinese players.

>>715213425
literally all the contested zones have bored rogues running around them looking for people leveling in them.

>>715213435
>I don't know how idiots think flying diminshes wpvp
because moronic idiot vermin could just sit in the air and watch you until you are weak then swoop in to finish you off and there is nothing you can do about it other than farm really slowly and safely or in some cases you need to get on your own mount and play chicken in the manner of "who can sit here and do nothing the longest until the other gets bored"

>>715213570
>i made up a retarded situation in my head because i got ganked so hard once it made me schizophrenic
are these rogues in the room with us right now anon?

>>715213570
>he cant fight off a lone rogue
lmao, skill issue, rogues have the highest skill floor and all the thirdworlders who pick them have no idea how to play

>>715213425
this, basically. The only time i go to stv at 30-31 is to do warrior quest at 30, otherwise i do other zones until around 35 then you are on even terms with most people in the zone and most will leave you alone unless you are trying for the same mobs they are, and even then i found that getting ganked was way overblown in stv unless you hung around the camp.

>>715213546
yeah getting constantly attacked on a horde favored server while I was alliance was a ton of fun

>>715213609
idk maybe it's different in some zones but I saw people CONSTANTLY fighting over those fucking motes of air in TBC

>>715213609
>or in some cases you need to get on your own mount and play chicken in the manner of "who can sit here and do nothing the longest until the other gets bored"
the only non-bitch criticism offered against world pvp in the thread so far

>>715213227
Icy chill enchant.

>>715213740
a rogue triple your level is one shotting you, there is no fight.

>>715214032
>THE 60 ROGUES ARE IN THE WALLS I SWEAR, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE
>I CANT PLAY THIS SERVER ANYMORE I QUIT!!!
mindbroken lmao

>>715214094
try playing on a non dead server I guess, or playing more than 1 week after that server launches.

>>715212736
>6 (yous)
>he's amazed people on this board don't know how to pvp
anon, everyone on this board is dogshit at pvp, we've known this for years

>>715214260
I was leveling on a private pvp server and I got one shotted by lvl 60 rogues every now and again, dunno wtf that dude is talking about

>>715213802
>yeah getting constantly attacked on a horde favored server while I was alliance was a ton of fun
yea- wait, you're being sarcastic? really?

wpvp only works with enough game masters to prevent griefers

>>715202320
>never get to claim my moo moo Tauren wife through conquest
game sucks

>>715214260
>try playing on a non dead server I guess
>>715214371
>I was leveling on a private pvp server
hmm

HMM

>>715214421
It's not griefing if it's the enemy team.

you will either flag for pvp for the bonus xp, or you will be one of the largest cucks in existence

there is no other option, these are the rules of the world

it's griefing and it's not wrong

>>715214403
I was solo leveling. It was either guys way higher level than me one shotting me or a group of the same level ganging up on me

>>715214613
try being higher level and/or having buddies

>>715214580
I will flag for bonus XP on any non-hardcore character I make.

>>715214612
you kinda sign up for it when you join a pvp server. you might not like it but what did you expect?

>>715214785
i dont understand the hardcore bit myself, but yeah you cant really pvp with it
it seems like just another:
>CAN YOU BEAT WORLD OF WARCRAFT WITH ONE HAND TIED UNDER YOUR LEG USING A FIGHTING STICK WHILE ONLY IN GREY GEAR WITHOUT DYING OR JACKING OFF FOR 6 MONTHS?!!?!?!?!
slog that just adds tedium to an already grindy game
enough people seem to like it but it seems so boring to me

WPvP and emergent PvP is fun

That is my official stance

>>715214953
i had a twink for stormveil on release and it was so much fun
i understand and support seamless, sometimes its just fun to pve with the lads, but its a shame it kinda ruined invasions even for people who wanted it

>>715214946
Only a few people did hardcore+warmode on turtle wow and yeah it's pretty fucking gay. If I remember right THE first person to do hardcore+warmode was an undead hunter that used track humans to avoid other players and exclusively grinded in underwater areas so he could just swim away from anyone that came by until they drowned.

pvp servers offer better experiences than pve and they always will. you'll never have an experience on a pve server where you get ganked and then hunt down the ganker(s) and camp them. it's more satisfying than any purple item you could get.

>>715215561
i love making a redridge character and trying to win 3+v1's, a lot of the time i get overwhelmed but its so fun or both me and the teams that learn to work together to stop me
idk why anyone plays on pve servers, i get maybe if you've never really played an mmo and just want to try out wow but once you hit 60 once there is no reason to do the content again, its all so boring and requires way too much time without other people to play against

>>715215069
Brother, Seamless has had invasions for at least a year and they're basically better than vanilla in every way except not being able to choose where you invade.

carebears will be like
>i'm still mad 20 years later but this videogame did not offer me a memorable experience

>>715205678
>when the trees start speaking Darnassian

>>715215808
i know, i was speaking about when the mod first released and didnt have them

>>715189736 (OP)
>>715189961
This. PVP would be kinda cool if you could hire a mercenary to help you out not to get farmed by lv 60 players. This escort would only attack other players, not mobs. It would only work if your lvl is appropriate to the region so you cannot walk around with a lv 60 npc as a 60 urself.

it's griefing and they deserved it

Angwe spits on this thread

>>715215916
/y ANYONE WHO KILLS A GNOME IN STV GETS 1G /W WITH SCREENSHOT

>>715214946
playing official hardcore (on the non-streamer server) was probably the best wow experience i ever had
once you got past like level 30 all the retards and fotm faggots had dropped off so you were left with a small community of players who were proven to be competent just by the fact they were still alive
everybody knew everybody else and people would actually fucking talk to each other

>>715216113
i cant imagine a world where i want to speak to people who willingly play hardcore though

>>715216113
someone should make hardcore without the permadeath

>>715212736
What's the point of all that when you could not? It sounds like a hassle and not really fun. Half of it is leveling which I'd do in a pve server anyway lol.

>>715216113
Wow hardcore is basically a casual OSRS experience with none of the benefits. Basically even the WoW playerbase largely is now understanding OSRS is a severely better hardcore experience and it isn't even close. Funny it took over 20 years for those morons to understand it. Then there is you.

>>715216383
runescape has always sucked and was for the poor kids who couldnt afford the sub
literal click simulator grinding 99 for objectively no reason even when the devs put it in to stop people from doing it

>>715216234
>>715216383
Hardcore wow is the dumbest thing in existence, your biggest chance of dying comes from the servers randomly disconnecting, it's mind boggling it became a thing.

>>715216510
Now all the extremely rich wow streamers are playing it. Funny how that happened

>>715216234
that's what i thought it would like be going in, but it turned out the genuinely unpleasant people were all either on defias pillager riding streamer dick or died in the 20s
the people who actually made it to high levels were mostly chill boomers

>>715216383
runescape is easily one of the worst games i've ever played and i can't fathom how anyone ever liked it. it's like maplestory in that the game is objectively complete dogshit but thirdies cum their pants over it because it was heckin' free.

>>715216591
you're playing a game based on streamer bait, what do you expect? streamers are some of the biggest faggots ever

>>715216557
idk what's so funny about payola

>>715216738
Maplestory in 2005 was peak and you have objectively bad taste

>be in oce
>only populated servers are 98:2 biased pvp servers
>play for a decade
>experience world pvp maybe once every other month

how thrilling

>>715216557
ah yes, streamers are playing it, what an argument in favor of the quality of the game!

>>715216861
why are seamonkeys (and worse, a*stralians) like this

>>715216829
>grind slimes for 10,000 hours to hit max level
>gameplay consists of holding one button and occasionally pressing potion (unless you pay-to-win for a pet that does it for you)
lol

>>715216865
My man, I think he's being facetious.

>pvp was so unpopular they had to implement a fucking war mode
>with extra bonuses for turning it on
>while having other servers phase into each other just to make sure there are people to fight
>so you can fight 40 horde vs 2 alliance or 40 alliance vs 2 horde

>>715216865
The playerbase followed, OSRS isn't just filled with wow streamers the players are flowing in massive numbers. OSRS is going through another golden age. You would be stupid to not be noticing this.

I've never played WoW before, what's the best way to get into it?

>>715189736 (OP)
>He doesn't care about cooperation as a unified whole and instead cares about only so much cooperation to allow you kick the sandcastles of others
Bereft of the Human Spirit

>>715217078
people can play whatever dogshit they want, fifa has millions of subhumans playing, whatever niggerfaggotman plays on the twitch.com.tv.gov and his millions of children-followers are doing, i could not give less of a fuck
runescape has and always will suck, its just not a good video game

>>715217078
Is this actually happening? Who are some of the notable people who have picked up OSRS recently? I'm genuinely curious. I like OSRS but I always find it hard to justify playing it.

>>715217138
first travel back in time to 2004
then don't play until 2005 because servers are garbage

>>715217138
don't.
if you must, play a pserver. all forms of classic and retail are home to just about the worst communities imaginable.

>>715217138
not worth it

pve servers are dead or filled with transvestites
pvp servers wont be enjoyable for you because everyone knows everything about it and has been playing for 20 years
t. started playing in 05

>>715217238
What's a good server to jump into, then? I just want to solo grind. I have no idea if that's even good in WoW.

>>715217138
Create a time machine for 2004 and start on November 23rd. If you don't respect yourself and your time, play retail, it's sadly better than classic because, well, just read this thread and you'll understand why it's a fucking mess.

>>715217138
its like asking "how do i get into age of empires 2?"

unless you really want it to become your one and only hobby, the fun you get out of the game isnt worth dealing with the faggots who have been playing for their entire lives

>>715217207
Sodapoppin is the big one

>>715217369
Wait a few weeks and then give Project Epoch a try during its launch. It'll be chaotic, but it's better than the other options right now.

>>715189736 (OP)
>World PVP on a fresh server where everyone is around the same level and you have a legit reason to fight over questing areas against the enemy faction
PERFECTION
>World "PVP" of level 60s ganking levelers on a server that's been up for 2+ months
GARBAGE

>be max level horde
>go to westfall
>follow alliance players around, wait for them to damage enemies and then instantly kill them to make life easier for them

>>715217369
if you really REALLY want to play, you can host your own actually private (as in, only you) solo server

if you just google "how to host my own wow server" there will be guides for whatever expansion you want to play, i recommend just start with 1.12.1, the original vanilla game before the expansions

>>715217487
>they send a level 60 to kill you for some reason
>kill him and continue helping

>>715213227
The fact you run the same speed.

>>715217448
>>715217518
Thanks. Will look at Project Epoch, but a personal private server intrigues me.

>>715189736 (OP)
if the developers don't give a shit about pvp why should i

>>715217457
truer words never spoken
the only good wpvp is when everyone is leveling and half the goddamn server is flooding areas like STV or ashenvale
every server should have mandatory wpvp for the first month and then turn it off because only fags care beyond that point

>>715217725
the devs care a lot about pvp (they are very butthurt about it)

>>715217715
if you have a decent PC you can populate the server with bots so you're not just running around an empty world
look up wow SPP

>>715189736 (OP)
They should spin off PvP into its own game desu

>>715217457
>>715217783
this is why hitting 20-25 and going to redridge as horde is the best way to play the video game

>requires only 1 dedicated weekend of leveling+gearing in wailing caverns (you dont need to get BIS twink dogshit, it doesnt add anything to the gameplay and takes too long)
>go to redridge and park your character
>hearth back to org for consumes
>steal ore/fish/chests from alliance zones to buy food/water/whatever when you need to
>get to wpvp while the server is alive and well
>lasts for maybe ~3 weeks, then a second wave when people start to level alts
>after that you quit when you can't kill more than 1 person without a 60 showing up

there is no reason to spend 4-5 real-life days doing dogshit content just to experience a worse version of the pvp

>>715218037
>if you have a decent PC you can populate the server with bots
and here i thought the guy still butthurt about getting ganked 20 years ago was the saddest fuck we'd see today

>>715218153
like we said, its not worth it to start playing now, but this guy seems very invested in trying to start playing wow, its literally the best option

no pvp game is fun to learn after people have been playing and perfecting everything for over 2 decades, why dont you go pickup counterstrike, an RTS, or eve online then?

>>715218153
This is going to be the only way to play WoW 20 years from now when this game actually dies for real.
You don't really think you're dying of a stroke before 40 for real, boomllenial?

>>715189736 (OP)
I like the idea of PvP servers and have been in a few and somewhat enjoyed them but most “PvP” is just ganking lowbies and/or waiting for someone to be low from questing and ganking them too. Might as well change the name from PvP to Ragging or Ganking servers. This stuff can be fun but I don’t want to deal with another waste of life rogue camping the same spot in stranglethorn for hours on end because he wheezes everytime he one shots someone 15 levels lower. Boring.

>>715218269
xister this is a WoW thread

>>715215916
literally two things made wow ganking way worse than it had to be

1) higher level players frequently resist/defend CC abilities so you can't just fear/stun/slow/root the ganker and run unless you're a rogue

2) All the way to level 40 you have no way to escape someone whos mounted, then all the way to 40 you can't escape 60s unless they are poor

It's ironic because sometimes escaping and sometimes not is an extremely addicting adrenaline rush that most classes don't get to experience. Instead you just always die.

>>715192381
There’s not really anything carebear about not wasting time with gankers looking to waste my time ;)

>>715219067
You're playing a video game. Time wasting was never an option

>>715204828
With faggots like you around they really should just let the servers die.

>>715216542
Wrong. People need hardcore to truly understand it's just a game and your character and possessions are worthless. And whether you keep your character or not, the real price is your time. And it's a rare type of game where players are in a position to sacrifice their time so others don't have to. When someone risks their character to help someone, or someone sacrifices themselves to save their dungeon group it's one of the few sacrifices in video games to have meaning. Games without real risk and real stakes are soulless.

>>715219018
this shit is why i could never play anything but druid on pvp servers. some fag ganks me in a bad position? pop travel form and book it. even if he has a mount, by the time combat drops and he can mount and catch up i'm already stealthed in cat form. gg no re.

>>715219492
and then when you die you can just transfer to the pve server and keep playing, you're a retard

>>715219243
Ganking players and making the experience dogshit for all involved is objectively a waste of time. Want to know why all MMOs avoid wpvp and only the ancient old people boomer versions of WoW has it? Because its bad game design. Even ER is phasing it out. You may not like it but the majority of humanity except brown people view griefing as a waste of time and engaging with it is something only brown people do. No niggers getting in your face and trying to grief you on a train isn't based. And thats essentially what wpvp ganking is.

>>715219492
>REAL RISK
>REAL STAKES
nigger its a fucking video game and you're a giant fag

>>715219693
A lot of people don't realize this, but classic wow was poorly designed on nearly every single front, it's objectively a game built on bad game direction.

>>715219693
one day you'll need to accept that other people want different experience than you do and trying to force us into carebear servers where no one can fight is not going to work, no one cares, go play skyrim or whatever if you want le comfy rpg

>>715219834
Not him, but I played WoW back in 2005, pvp was the way to go because the majority of us played Warcraft 3 and, in our heads, that was the way to play the game, it was war. But in 2025, the game is a fucking mess and badly designed, trying to say people, blah whatever. Blizzard never expected more than 20 people in a zone, their dream number of subscribers was 15,000 split between 89 servers, which was a DREAM, they didn't design the game around the popularity it had and it suffered for it.

>>715217487
for the enemies or the players?

>>715220206
players

>>715219670
When you die in a single player game you can often downgrade to easy mode, what is your point?

>>715219714
If your time isn't valuable that's not really interesting to anyone else unless you'd like to explain why

i like wow so much

>>715219834
One day you'll need to accept a majority of players do not want world pvp and thats why 99% of video games do not have it. I don't care about the 1% you are such a minority developers no longer give a shit to cater to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXSi_9xDQCM
It's just not the same anymore...

>>715220068
>Blizzard never expected more than 20 people in a zone
a typical pserver average pop is 1-3k these days, there are ~40 zones and if you consider that most people are afk in a major city or in a raid or dungeon, that kinda works out

>>715220382
People want GOOD world pvp, like what Warhammer had before it got shut down. They don't want getting griefed by faggots you have 0% chance of beating.

>>715219798
A lot of people realize wow has big and obvious problems. Maybe, just maybe you aren't party to a minority of geniuses, and you can't see what it got right where other MMOs fucked up.

>>715220662
It made a baby mode MMO with a recognizable brand that was popular. Had it not been named Warcraft, it would've failed monumentally.

>>715220995
Wrong.

>>715220995
You didn't need to tell me what kind of person you are, every time you post it's like flashing your badge for what other opinions you hold. I see, the unpopular MMOs failed because they didn't have a brand, they had "good design" and didn't care about "baby mode" accessibility and people were too stupid to like them, unlike yourself.

>>715189736 (OP)
Anyone who Shilled retail or classic needs a bullet in the head