it's no masterpiece

correct, it's THE masterpiece

>Masterpieces: TLOZ, ALttP, OoT, LA, MM, WW, BotW
>Not masterpieces: Zelda 2, OoA/S, MC, TP, PH, ST, SS, TotK
I'm sorry to say but OoT is one of the masterpieces.

It's probably the greatest game of all time

>>715210781 (OP)
Why can't Link fuck Zelda at the end? Bad story telling

>>715210781 (OP)
I haven't played this yet but I saw the bottom of the well and I don't know why the game is rated E lol.

I tried to play it but this game has not aged well. To say otherwise is just nostalgia

I believe there is value in this game that I’m missing out on

Is the 3DS version any better?

>>715210781 (OP)
It's not, just kids who idolize things they played as a child

erm its just too clunky

Foundational 3d adventure game canon.

Mega Man 64 is better.

>>715211605
It might be true but I honestly can't imagine any 8 year old becoming 30 and talking up Assassin's Creed 3 as the best game ever made.

Ocarina of Time still feels special when you play it today. The gameplay itself is nothing special, but the tone of the game, and how it presents itself, and the mood shifts as you clear the next part and the next part.

IMO there's always been a false precedent with Zelda where fans value them based on how they compare "as Open Worlds" to the original game. Because that assumes OoT is famous for being the most "sprawling/immersive 3D WORLD"

I do remember it making me go "wow" at its sense of scale the first time, but even then, I remember thinking it wasn't actually that big before the game ended. And it may have been initially enticing, but it wasn't what made me sit at the end and say "That was a masterpiece." It was the sensation of its story, the game design of the dungeons and sense of mood, and especially the Child/Adult switchup and the finale with Ganondorf that did it.

Sometimes games become etched into memory because they've got "moments". OoT is one of those. It's not because it's a big technical achievement and "BIGGEST GAME EVERR, SO IMMERSIVE UWU" that's not OoT and it never was.

You're right, masterpiece doesn't accurately portray what it is. It's more like a master blueprint, or a holy work. Koizumi is Prometheus and OoT is fire

>>715211158
>OoA/S
They are masterpieces of game design. Maybe not story, but definitely of design.

>>715210781 (OP)
I played it as a kid so it is objectively a masterpiece that later got mogged by Twilight Princess

>>715212545
Yes, but for Zelda to achieve "masterpiece" tier it must have more in the bag than just one aspect. It's the same reason why, while I was generous in my list, I don't personally consider Breath of the Wild a masterpiece because all it has is that one thing about the world "feeling amazing", but when you see the story, or play the Divine Beasts or even a lot of Hyrule Castle or the 5 bosses in the game, it... kinda sucks.
So that doesn't mean OoT is perfect either, but it has pretty solid core platforming/combat, great atmosphere and sense of "world", and it's got consistently good dungeon design (yes, including Water Temple) and the story is pretty good on top of that.

But the story isn't just good as in "The Last of Us is also good". It's good as in, the narrative and gameplay hold each other by the hand, so it has a much bigger impact than any scripted event in a Last of Us type game, when you pull the Master Sword out and become an adult, but even beyond that, it's not just your mechanics that have changed, but the world, reflecting the 7 years that passed, and strikingly changing the happy-go-lucky centre to a place of dread, and even taking your childhood home and putting enemies in it... on top of everything else already being pretty good.

it had an attention to detail, but it's really important details that give the game its agenda, about how Childhood is precious, and how growing up isn't just about getting stronger, but protecting the purities around yourself from those who grow up and try to remove that precious childlike innocence of the world.

It's in that sense, along with the epic showdown with Ganon at the end, that the whole game resonates in a way that a lot of other Zeldas, and if I'm brutal, even ALttP, honestlly doesn't.

To me, the top 3 is OoT, MM and WW. The other ones often fall short of really feeling like classics at the end, and I didn't really feel it with BotW either, as special as it otherwise does feel early on.

>>715210885
FPBP

Things that snoys have been forced to pretend to like in order to force concern and get people to turn on Nintendo and the Switch:
>The old Donkey Kong games
>Ocarina of Time
>pre-BoTW Zelda games
>Iwata
>Reggie
>GameCube
>Smash Bros. Melee
>Mario Kart 8

Looking forward to them praising Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Metroid Prime 3 all of sudden.

>>715211158
>every game is a masterpieces!!!1!
No

>>715210885
>>715211158
>>715211310
>>715212302
>>715213795
>this is a msterpiece
>>715213682
>solid core platforming/combat
LMAO

>>715217334
it looks so comfy and fun to play

>>715217642
but enough about Wind Waker

>>715211605
funny how it's always the same few games that come back somehow. Almost like you're full of shit and a seething zoomer who grew up in the worst video game era.
>ackchually I'm-
shut the fuck up

It's my favorite videogame, so cool and fun to play through! :)

The super innovative early 3d game that gets treated as a masterpiece should have been Mario 64. It still holds up today as the best 3d platformer (in my opinion). Its mind boggling how much they got right on one of the first ever attempts at making a 3d platformer.

>>715217860
>gaming in the 90s:
Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask, Final Fantasy IV–X, Xenogears, Mario 64
>gaming for zoomers:
Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Zelda Triforce Heroes, Paper Mario Sticker Star

It is a masterpiece, but there are better games than it.

>>715210781 (OP)
It's beyond a masterpiece. It is a blueprint for future games who try and fail to emulate its greatness.

>>715212302
>>715219974
No.

>>334
>Mass replying bot at it again