Thread 715277378

Nintendo Japan Sending out user satisfaction survey about Game Key-Cards.
Some questions included:
- What is your overall level of satisfaction with key cards?
- What was the reason that you had bought that many physical versions of previous Nintendo Switch software?
- This time, if the software you wanted to buy is (available) both as key card and digital, which one would you choose?
- Are there anything you think it's good regarding key cards? If there's anything please feel free to write it below.
- Do you feel there are inconveniences or have worries regarding key cards? If there's anything please feel free to write it below.

>>715277378 (OP)
Hopefully based Japs tells Nintendo they won't buy any gamekey cards. I know I won't. If companies want my money they're gonna need to sell physical games and this won't ever change for me.

My guess is that they're seeing hardware sales, but the key card sales are not moving.

>>715277598
you know they only put out these surveys because the keycard thing was a massive flop

Unrelated but I hate the digital game key cards shit.
Why do I have to "load" a digital game?
Just let me play the shit.

anyone knows japan only data?

>>715277686
Cause third parties are cheap bastards.

>>715277378 (OP)
If there was an American survey, I'm sure the results would be different.

wouldn't a used switch 1 game be a better proposition? why would anyone deal with the keycards? aren't they more expensive?

>>715277662
Most third party games are key cards, so I guess that's true.

Should have just used discs nintendo

>>715277686
the ui for this is confusing and awful but at least you can go into the menu and enable the old way of verifying licenses

>>715277378 (OP)
>- Do you feel there are inconveniences or have worries regarding key cards? If there's anything please feel free to write it below.
Are they for real?
Literally asking such obvious question?

>>715278357
>discs
>on a handheld
No, UMDs were shit

>>715277662
That tracks with the Famitsu charts, basically only Mario Kart is moving any units.

>>715278648
yet another reason why the hybrid gimmick sucks I guess

>>715278357
In retrospect, discs sucked in the long term and the Blu-ray's slow performance is proof of that (as always is Sony's fault).

Realistically how do you fix this problem without something like key cards? Cartridges are too expensive.

So what are the chances the boycott is actually working and things could improve what I really fear is that they remove key cards but then bring back codes in a box only?
Nintendo should go back to N64 era and dictate which 3rd parties can and can't use key cards.

>>715279112
Make it all digital and stop pretending.

>>715279205
You can't resell digital

>>715279112
Either take the hit with cartridges since you already raised the price $20 or get out of business.
Key cards are just an extra step in producing garbage for a digital only game

>>715277378 (OP)
>This time, if the software you wanted to buy is (available) both as key card and digital, which one would you choose?
They're planning on ditching GKCs already and having third party games go digital only, tragic.

>>715277598
>based Japs
aren't they the biggest corporate cocksuckers in the world?

Here's an idea:
The dock gets a disc drive. The games come with the disc plus the dirt cheap card.
You can install the game off the disc and play it that way while docked, without internet needed. Then, on the go since you can't take the disc with you, the key card now acts as a pseudo disc, just to be able to play the game on the go.

>>715279112
Develop a system where you can transfer ownership of digital games for money

>>715277378 (OP)
Reminder if you are in a Western nation to use

https://support-jp.nintendo.com/app/ask_opinion

To answer these very questions to Nintendo directly so they know we are disfavorable to this shit as well.

>>715279453
Yes, but they love physical media

Pure developer greed. Cartridges are not too expensive, there are production costs for literally every product. digital games should be cheaper than they are now and cheaper than physical. If they insist on need to increase the cost of their physical games, they can go ahead, and the market will determine if it is worth it to charge what they need to charge.

Personally, I think they should try to make physical games more premium. They should include thick full color manuals or metal cases as standard and charge more than digital games

>>715279112
Inti is charging $20 or $30 more for their next game physically on Switch 2 vs the digital price. So that's the answer, physicalfags can pay their tax until that price difference forces everyone into buying digital instead.

>>715278905
Real physicals are doing decently too.

>>715279798
I hope US retailers fuck them over. I want you digital faggots to pay as much as physical. I figure that since you’re already good goyim, why not go the extra step?

I honestly think the Internet backlash over the game key cartridges to be extremely silly even if I have no intention to buy them because I have already adopted full digital since the Switch 1 (with the rare occasional cartridges bought every blue moon).
I don't think the Japanese are like the outrage-addicted gaijins as they appear to be rather neutral instead, they will simply express concerns of having to sacrifice storage space which is a legitimate criticism for instance.

>>715279291
Key cards are a way to resell digital. It's good for what it is but replacing physical entirely is a mistake

>>715279204
it's not a boycott in this case -- boycotts never work unless they are top down ( embargos)

Key cards are failing because they are a bad product, consumers just don't want them, they aren't something they want to buy but are abstaining from in protest, anyone who wants the game just gets the digital version instead if it's only on keycard because why bother getting it shipped or going to the store for a piece of plastic with a digital game code?

>>715279453
They have unironically not been buying that many game-key cards, you can see that on the Famitsu threads.
Almost all of the game-key card games are in the lower end of the top 30 with sales varying from 20k to 3k.
And considering the Switch 2 has sold over 1.5m there?

>>715279931
>I don’t think the Japanese
Japs are corporate cocksucking subhumans

>>715279931
>it's silly to dislike being given something worse than before
idiot. we were getting full game cards for 60, now we are getting game download keys for 60.
You have to be fucking retarded to be ok with getting something literally, factually worse for the same price

Hilariously, Switch 2 owners bought the Switch 1 version of raidou because it's actually on the game card and both are 60fps anyway.

>>715280068
Key cards are failing because only third party games are using them, and who fucking cares about those

>>715280170
me.
and I will 100% be buying the the FF tactics switch 1 version, and the new AI Somnium files for switch 1 too.

>>715280181
The third party games without key cards are preforming much better which is making nintendo take notice.

imo it doesn't matter because they switch 2 is so underpowered it's not going to be getting multiplat titles in a couple years that would be anything other than indie slop that could fit on an 8gb cartridge anyway.

>>715279453
They have the best taste in the world for vidya, they love physical, they're against censorship etc. Some of them might be more naive in terms of optics because they simply don't understand how evil some people are and never went through shit like gamergate. But they sent that msg to UN telling them to go screw themselves because they wanted to censor anime/manga.

I bet this is primarily driven by Nintendo wanting to show 3rd party publishers that even though Nintendo made game key cards specifically for them (since all Nintendo first party are still on a real cartridge), that game-key cards are cancer for their actual game sales

>>715280290
>buying the the FF tactics switch 1 version
why are you paying for roms?
Tactics ogre was an actual (port) of a remake. FF tactics is a scam.

>>715280337
The existence of Series S means that Switch 2 will continue to get ports desu

>>715279798
Make sense since cards cost $16.

>>715277378 (OP)
>Are there anything you think it's good regarding key cards?
I actually get to sell or loan out the games that I bought
>Do you feel there are inconveniences or have worries regarding key cards?
The download servers are going to shut down one day

>>715280438
>they're against censorship
>Uhmmm the developer said you can't draw that!! take it down NOW NOW NOW!!

>>715280068
I liked the idea of those if they were going to completely replace codes in a box but yeah, Key Cards are basically the worst of both worlds, and even if they are resellable they will be used by 3rd parties and those games keep no value what so ever anyways.

>>715277378 (OP)
>"Furukawa-sama, the user surveys have come back. There is very low user satisfaction with game key cards. What should we do?"
>"They don't like game key cards? It can't be helped. The future is digital only then!"

>>715280446
They just won't release their games on Nintendo. Nintendo is the one who is backed against the wall here.
Reminder nintendo makes money off third party games on their console, and they are more greedy in this regard than others.

Nintendo being a waste of time is the consequence of going blue water marketing with a consumer base of fanatics on outdated hardware.

>>715280612
sasuga nintendo-domo

>>715279112
considering goykeys feel like a honeytrap by nintendo to fuck over cheapo jew devs and fuck over "code in an empty box" faggots all in one go
the solution is either reducing dev costs and eating the cart cost hit, or actually optimizing the games and using the far cheaper switch 1 carts

>>715280612
honestly it's the exact same fucking thing as key cards.
GKC's are digital games, it's a download key. It's basically the equivalent of buying a steam game that needs a disc on the drive to run. it's shit.
>but I can resell it
everyone saying this won't resell shit, and when they do, since they have 0 collector appeal, they will be given 1 dollar for each.

>>715280560
It's the credit card companies who's trying to do that. They're blind if it's about any western degeneracy or western sex scenes but girls in swimsuits noooo you can't sell that!

>>715279112
>too expensive
Not an excuse.

>>715280706
Take your meds schizo
>Reminder nintendo makes money off third party games on their console
And yet Nintendo is thriving off their first parties on Switch 1

>>715280071
To be fair, the games using the key cards are either old titles or niche games, all of them dealing against Mario Kart World which is sucking away all the attention like a gigantic black hole.
I'm sure that new third-parties, or more renowned like Elden Ring, being sold as game key cartridges will be a success not only in Japan but in the rest of the world too
>>715280168
It's the same difference (key cards are still physicals and you never lose your digital games anyway) while you have Steam games being priced at 70 ~ 80 bucks these days too.
I just think the whole backlash is only from Internet autists trying to play mental gymnastics over semantics.

>>715278357
because that went so well for the psp

>>715280146
if that were ture the pis5 wouldnt have flopped over there lol

>>715280549
>Make sense since cards cost $16.
Unironically source? Don't give me some headline that's "could cost up to" or non-bulk pricing which wouldn't be what Nintendo is paying when they order millions

>>715279112
>Cartridges are too expensive
that's right, goy, move on already
cartridges are an obsolete technology
embrace the big brother cloud

>>715278436
Did not know, thanks.

>>715280881
Oh, it's just retarded.

>>715281061
nips stopped caring about consoles ages ago, sales have been on a constant decline since the ps2 only handhelds are selling well. the ps4 sold less than the ps3 despite having 0 competition that gen because nips had mobage instead.

>>715281117
Arc System Works hack

>people don't want fake physical games on a console where extra memory is expensive as fuck

who saw that coming???

>>715277378 (OP)
Good thing they're asking, but I'm pretty sure Japan is why GKCs exist.
Due to weak yen profits from games on cart must be very small. That's why a lot of 3rd party games were on cart in the west, but GKC in Japan.
Would Nintendo be willing to do something like eat costs (at least partially) of cartridges in Japan to make them cheaper for 3rd parties?
>>715278905
What else is there? Years old ports? They wouldn't have done well even if they were on cart.

>>715281207
and here comes the "handhelds dont count" cope again lmao

>>715280930
I see you are a transsexual which explains your low IQ

Yeah, Nintendo does well with first party -- that's what blue ocean is -- if they didn't cultivate fanatics, 3rd party devs would actually bother to make proper ports for the switch and switch 2, but it's not worth their time, and Nintendo loses out on the larger market.

Microsoft and Sony are fucking pathetic right now. Nintendo could easily reenter the mainstream gaming market and clean house if they were incompetent with PTSD because they have failed miserably every generation when they tried to compete with the mainstream.

>>715281207
>nips stopped caring about consoles ages ago
>what is the Switch
Even the PS4 wasn't anywhere a flop in second half of the 2010's compared to the current state of the PS5

>>715277765
Nothing to do with third parties, and everything to do with Nintendo being greedy cunts that want as much money as possible for games, as always, regardless of how old the game is. They don't care about gamers or video gamers, or creativity. Just money.

Anyone that's bought a game card or a Switch 2 is a fag that's helping to contribute to the death of gaming, not to mention consumer rights. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

Just filled it out and said I love the key cards.

>>715279112
>Cartridges are too expensive
lol. lmao.
Sony can't afford to make video games anymore, sell their games to PC to make up for it.
Square Enix games become so degenerate, gay and bad but they spend more than ever on graphics and sales, obviously, didn't improve.

>>715280932
>all of them dealing against Mario Kart World which is sucking away all the attention like a gigantic black hole
Gay excuse again. It's like saying Square could compete with 90s Nintendo thanks to CDs or whatever but today they can't compete with Nintendo because of moronic excuses. If their games don't sell they only got themselves to blame. Some of these companies have tried to sell a CODE IN A BOX and shit for 8 years so why are they acting like they didn't do this themselves? Nobody wants that faggot shit. Paying full price for a code? lol. People will just pirate their games on PC, get their games for free.
Third party games have just become worse and worse, when was the last time people were hyped for FF? The FF7 remake? And now we've been stuck seeing the FF7 remake for several years now and it's still not complete.

>>715281176
Japs have talked about it lots of times. That and about woke culture, how Western try to "force things."
>Dragon Quest creator Yuji Hori is directly blaming American influence for both DQ3 Remake censorship and the change of Male/Female to Type 1/ Type 2
https://nichegamer.com/credit-card-companies-continue-to-censor-japanese-artists/

>>715281432
nice fanfiction bro

>>715281207
>only handhelds are selling well.
Boring lie repeated 6 billion times by Sony fanboys.
Japs aren't even buying the Lite, they buy Switch or OLED. PS5 also started selling more when it had a sale, Sony is just unwilling to lower the price because they're greedy.

>>715281370
>>715281395
if you don't understand the japanese commuting culture then you'll never understand why that country has turned into gacha addicts. being a portable is the entire appeal of the switch, if the switch 1/2 were home consoles tethered to 1 spot japan would have not cared for them just like they didn't care for the wii u.

>>715278945
the hybrid gimmick is literally why the switch is the most successful console ever

>>715281207
>nips stopped caring about consoles ages ago
Switch is the best selling console of all time in Japan.
Oh wait, you are another "home consoles are dead in Japan because I have a single data point of Playstation dying in Japan" retard.
PS4 sold less than PS3 because it has less games nips want to play.
PS5 will sell less than PS5 because it has even less games nips want to play.
That's all there is to it.

>>715281470
FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU

>>715281432
>Nothing to do with third parties, and everything to do with Nintendo being greedy cunts that want as much money as possible for games
Literally only third party games are jewcards though?

>>715281432
It has everything to do with third parties, They already know their games don't sell on Nintendo, why would anyone choose the underpowered version of the multiplot?

Nintendo tried to offer them lower costs because they took a look at the cartridge's and said " this isn't worth it, we aren't porting our game" now they are in damage control mode because investors and third parties are failed their empty games failed to sell.

Investors and third parties aren't impressed with Nintendo, these carts convinced boomers that they would fix this situation and switch 2 would be a huge hit that also sells fifa and call of duty and shit.

>>715281672
>popular = good
nah

>>715281586
>>715281691
jesus fucking christ you retards, look at the actual sales figures. handhelds are at the top. imagine ignoring years of data because you're butthurt that the hybrid is mostly appealing due to the form factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region#Japan

>>715281432
This would make sense if nintendo themselves used key cards, but they don't.

>>715281853
>>715281515

>>715281784
Nintendo doesnt have to pay themselves. Third parties have to pay 30% to store + nintendo tip + cart cost.

>>715280706
A grave case of nds

>>715281952
handhelds are on top because they are cheaper. They are dying in japan like most consoles anyway because Japan traincels simply chose gatcha phone games instead,

Nintendo makes all flash no substance slop for children because they are terrified of being unable to compete for the attention of ADHD kids with Iphones.

>>715280881
Nah it's jap fans shitting on western fans because they draw the wrong thing. And they're shitting on Brazil because of that lawsuit or whatever against Nintendo bricking consoles. They're the personification of the "leave the corporation alone!!".

>>715281376
Nintendo could box a 5060, but it would sell?

>>715282121
Anon carts don't appear out of thin air

>>715281596
>if you don't understand the japanese commuting culture
I understand it's a cope made up by Snoys whose closest contact with Japan is eating imported Korean instant ramen and who latched onto anything to absolve Sony from being responsible for their own failure.
Next you are going to bring up hamster cage apartments.
>if the switch 1/2 were home consoles tethered to 1 spot japan would have not cared for them
Ring Fit Adventure can't be played portably and sold over 3 million units in Japan. More than any PS4 or PS5 game.
>just like they didn't care for the wii u.
25% of all Wii Us produced were sold in Japan.
8% of all PS4s produced where sold in Japan.
In Japan Mario Kart 8 on Wii U sold on par with Monster Hunter World on PS4 despite Wii U having 1/3 of the userbase.

>>715282220
>handhelds are on top because they are cheaper
Handhelds are getting more and more expensive. Switch 2 is now the same price as home consoles.

>>715277378 (OP)
>game key card and digital
they're the same thing. in fact, the former's worse because it wears out your cart slot
give us real physical games complete on cart

>>715277452
It's not like they forced it on people.
Even if you buy physical copies you need internet to install or play the game, plus day one updates and all of this shit.
If physical games were really physical, more people would buy it.
They even took away the fucking cool manuals, they did everything to fuck the physical copies.

>>715281952
The stats Nintendo released back in 2017 showed people use it as both, always ignored by salty Sony fanboys because they can't accept the Switch is a console and they beat Sony at their own turf. But go on ignore all facts as usual, just like they pretend Switch 1 and Switch 2 were "cheap" so they can somehow try to get a win that way. The consoles are a little bit cheaper to the competition but never by that much. They always had console prices, not handheld prices like DS or 3DS or GBA, all 3 which down in price as time went on, Switch never did. Stay mad

>>715282157
it was actually the wii that pissed third parties off. It sold so much yet third parties got no milk from that cash cow. It convinced them big nintendo sales numebrs have zero trickle down effect.

With the success of the switch, we honestly should have been seeing modestly downgraded ports of literally every multiplat AAA game. It's all doable, but instead they just port low fidelity shit that would be easy.

>>715281952
>handhelds are at the top
For your own sanity don't look up what consoles are on top in the US, dumbo.

>>715282295
They have cultural pride, something most Western people can't understand. No shit they think Western vidya sucks and they celebrate their "own" companies making superior games

>>715282432
Switch was more expensive than PS4 when it launched.

>>715282529
The Switch is much more underpowered than you seem to think it is.

>>715282640
translation: they are a soulless bugman hivemind

>>715281853
>>715281432
Meanwhile Tamagotchi sell catridge and reap all the benefits of switch userbase
even beating dead stranding in Japan.

>>715282310
It would only fail due to have incompetent Nintendo is in managing relations.

But yeah, sony and microsoft are so weak not that competing with them directly would be an any win for any competent company. Nintendo is the only company making exclusive games. If they can get all the uncompromised multiplats as well there would be no competition.

Nintendo is just greedy with third parties and has outdated online infrastructure and shit. Just look at their PS+ / gamepass equivalent, it's nothing but poorly emulated roms.

>>0715282640
>act like corporate bootlickers
>call it cultural pride
sasuga

>>715282935
nintendo don't have to compete because tendies don't have standards

>>715282408
>25% of all Wii Us produced were sold in Japan.
3.3 million whole units vs 37 million switch consoles. the japanese did not care for the wii u just like they don't care for any playstation after the ps2. the ps2 is really when home consoles peaked in general.

>>715282513
>The stats Nintendo released back in 2017 showed people use it as both
yes, so they can play it in the train and then also at home. being a hybrid is the appeal, which is why the wii u didn't sell despite also having a screen you can take around the house to play.
>handhelds sell amazingly well in japan
>switch 1 can be used as portable
>sells amazingly well
this isn't rocket science, why does the word "portable" trigger nintendo fanboys so much? it can be used that way because it's a hybrid.

>>715282706
>pic
Does it really count if it was a limited time sale that lasted 2 weeks?

>>715282935
>Nintendo is just greedy with third parties
They cut its the same of Sony/Microsoft
>outdated online infrastructure
Tou right on this

>>715277378 (OP)
>ching chong ching chong
HOOOOOO SUIGOI NINTENDO-SAN

>>715283063
Newsflash genius, Playstation doesn't have ANY games and you're all pretending Switch was such a success despite 3DS existing. Maybe having all of the best games is why Nintendo won, not the fucking form factor jesus christ.

>>715282739
Games became purely a skill issue by the time you got to the PS2. There are no gameplay concepts that limit hardware at all.

Switch can run anything. Just with lower fidelity and longer load times.

They were porting full console games to the fucking psp. You just have to actually develop a version for that console, rather than an easy port.

>>715279112
I think the biggest problem with Game Key Cards is that it's just a combination of the downsides of both formats. It's just a digital game you need to download and have a physical key inserted into the console to launch.

I don't think you can "fix" them, but it might help if they offered some of the convenience of digital games and allowed them to be launched without the game key card inserted as long as the associated entitlement is not in use on another console. Require the game key card to be reinsert every two weeks or something.

>>715283118
they did the same with the pis5 and the switch 2 launch lol

>>715283217
>Newsflash genius
whitest post i ever read, i kneel

>>715277452
trvth nvke

>>715283217
ahahhahahahahahahhaha. why the fuck is gacha so popular in japan then when the games are barely even games? why has it been that way since 2010 when games like rage of bahamut took off? because they can play them on the train. like they can play the switch on the train and like how they could play the 3ds on the train.

>>715283420
?

>>715283350
>Make a State of Play 1 day before switch 2 comes out
>Drops prices of PS5 as well
>Outsells the Switch 1 for a week or 2, barely
>Drops like a stone in week 3 and never recovered

>>715283486
retard-kun...
https://game-i.daa.jp/?cmd=s&k=3134e409d0

>>715283420
Japan software sales have crashed. They only play mobile gatcha shit. Games sold way more in Japan in prior decades.

>>715283420
Sony screwed over Japan for well over a decade now and people act surprised Nintendo won. It really really isn't. Outside USA, Sony has screwed everyone else over by raising the prices too, that's why their consoles sell less, why they're still behind PS4. Sony fanboys just live in denial and act like Sony are saints for some reason.

>>715277378 (OP)
key cards are better than code in a box
the problem is that publishers don't replace ciab with keys, instead they replace regular physical releases with keys

>>715282513
I really wish Nintendo would release updated stats on docked/handheld usage. It just seems silly to use launch year data because I feel thats when people are more likely to go out of their way to use all the parts of their 300 dollar buffalo, I want to see usage stats from when the novelty has worn out and its just another device in their house.

>>715277378 (OP)
>average /v/tard believes nintendo is purposely trying to sabotage sales of 3rd party games instead of going with the occams razor of "its a way to placate greedy 3rd party publishers while not fucking over customers"
I have retard fatigue.

I've been hearing a lot about these, are they just cartridges that allow you to download the game? Can you resell or let someone borrow the cartridge no problem?

If so then it seems like a good improvement over putting a game code in a case, is there something I am missing?

>>715277378 (OP)
this is completely pointless because japs are brainless corporate cock sucker npcs and they would never criticize nintendo

>>715283238
>skill issue
Devs are lazy anon

>>715280071
>They have unironically not been buying that many game-key cards
They won't buy them, but they also won't complain about anything nintendo does. Nintendo is retarded to even ask them.

>>715284020
They might for Switch 2 after 6-12 months. Really all the reasons people say it was so obvious (Reminds me of the Logan line from succession when he talks to Kendall.) it was gonna sell "because it's a handheld" is just so retarded it hurts when so many companies thought it was gonna flop, that handheld gaming was dead because of smartphones, that the price as a console was too high, after the 3DS didn't sell that much it was just over.
Sony fanboys in particular who still wanna do console war shit are the ones who can't let it go, they still call them "weak portables" and such because they can't accept it does sell because it's a hybrid. Like a wise man once it it just works.

>>715284165
Youve been hearing alot of retards who dont know what their talking about. You are missing nothing, they are literally just so fucking stupid (zoomers have a near 50% functional illiteracy rate) that they genuinely think giving you the ability to OWN something and BE happy is a bad thing.
Key cards were a response to 3rd party publishers offering digital only games last gen, which meant that you essentially purchased a private license to play the game until they saw fit to take it from you.
The key-card has a key code which unlocks a downloaded game no matter what switch its put into, meaning that you can resell a digital game for the first time in history...but since nintendo is the ones that did what everyone was asking for, its bad by default.

>>715277452
What percentage of digital there is for micro transactions and DLC?

>>715284165
It's an upgrade over code in a box but it's not an improvement over real physical, the only real benefit over a code in a box is that you can sell it or let someone borrow it but that's not why people love physical anyways. It's the ability to chuck a cartridge in any Switch and just start gaming. There's been a ton of FUD over physical lately even about blurays, I think it's company propaganda shit trying to influence people that physical has some kind of downside but there really isn't, not for consumers.

>>715281324
>That's why a lot of 3rd party games were on cart in the west, but GKC in Japan.
Like two Marvelous games is not a lot. Rest of them are key cards globally.

>>715277378 (OP)
What the fuck is a Key Card? an empty box with a code like a "physical" pc game?

>>715277763
>80%
You will own nothing

>>715284478
it's bad because 1. it's being done by companies that have way more than enough resources to just release physical copies. and 2. because it also ruins the boxart with the text.
it is a step up from one-time-use codes but it's still worse than a proper game release. people buy physical games to buy physical games, not to buy licenses for a download.

>>715284743
>>715284478

>>715284743
Its a cartridge that:
>contains no game data on it
>gives you the go ahead to download the entire game from the internet
>not tied to an account and reusable
>required to be inserted in the Switch 2 in order to play the game even if its fully installed already
Basically the worst of both worlds between physical and digital.

>>715284918
Yeah but...who the fuck is going to do a physical release in the year of our Lord 2025, other than nintendo?
I have a bunch of zoomer cousins who each have a switch and either xbox or playstation, and literally the only physical releases they have are on the switch, zoomers just dont give a fuck about media and millennials stopped giving a fuck about most 3rd party shit ages ago.

>NSW era (EU)
Third-party publishers refuse to release full games on game cards. Instead, they use codes in boxes
>NSW 2 era (WW)
Third-party publishers refuse to release full games on game cards. Instead, they use game-key cards

>subhumans on /v/, reddit, twitter
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it's all Nintendo's fault. You have to have empathy for third-party billion-dollar corporations that act solely out of greed and profit

>>715285365
most games on ps5 have full physical releases, what are you talking about

>>715285465
>most games on ps5
>most of seven games have physical releases
interesting argument.

>>715284743
A digital copy that only functions if you have the card inserted into the console. You might be wondering why you'd buy something like that, but don't worry, everyone else is wondering the same thing.

>>715285420
Sony also released the digital only PS5 so what do people think is gonna happen with PS6? That third party companies are just gonna keep supporting physical? lol

>>715285567
7 is a different number to 539

>>715284918
We're already seeing smaller publishers like Inti Creates pass the costs off to consumers where a physical copy will be $20 more than digital on the Switch 2. This is because Nintendo's cartridges are too expensive and when everything is multiplat, these companies don't want an idort buying the one that makes them $16 less and a game that's $20 more expensive than everywhere else might not sell many copies anyway so they waste money on manufacturing them. Anyone stuck with only a Switch 2 will suck it up and buy the GKC or buy a game digitally if it's the only way they can play it. As an example, imagine if GTA 6 was digital only on every device. Do you really think that would impact sales?

The issue with these GKCs not selling on the Switch 2 is that everyone has already played those games unless you're a weirdo that only owns Nintendo consoles.

The key cart thing has made it really easy for me to avoid overspending on switch 2 games, because I only ever pay $10 max for digital stuff.

>>715280932
>It's the same difference (key cards are still physicals and you never lose your digital games anyway)
Even if that was true its not guess what I do lose with key cards, fucking storage space on my system or micro SD EXPRESS card, and file sizes are getting retardedly bloated on top of that, there's already several Switch 2 games that are 50GB+. You dumb faggot, no REAL physical version no sale, simple as. A tiny fucking company like Inti Creates can somehow afford a proper Switch 2 physical release with their brand new IP and yet everyone else somehow can't? Fuck off with that.

>>715285712
See >>715285625
Third party companies wants digital only. They're not gonna support physical at all.

>>715285712
Gta6 is a very specific game anon

>>715285420
Anon, these people are literally claiming Nintendo owns the american glowies and is using them to enforce "their rules"
They are brain broken idiots

>>715285820
i pay up to 15 euros for digital, after that i might aswell buy a used physical copy

>>715285921
How sad

>>715285660
>mobile games
cool.

>>715286009
anon we're talking about ps5 not switch

>>715280170
Lol I did this too despite having a Switch 2. I will never support game key card kikery.

>>715277378 (OP)
Console and hardware gamers don't like game key cards? Wow who would've fucking thought.

>>715285857
That was a way to keep costs down and compete against the cheaper Series S, even the digital only PS5 Pro has that disc drive attachment to trick consumers into thinking that it's $700 instead of $800. Sony, as a company that makes money off blurays(they're on the committee that makes them, every bluray sale anywhere makes them money) and releases movies, still wants people to use the format.

>>715285878
Replacing it with the next mainline Mario then. Do you think people would just not buy the new Mario when they own a Switch 2?

>>715286059
>ps5 have over 500 real games, I swear it!
enjoy paying 800 bucks to play genshin and fortnite, gaymer

>>715286259
>That was a way to keep costs down
Come on, anon, don't be naive. Sony very much wants to release digital only consoles and nothing else. For now they have to cater to physical owners but they're gonna go there sooner rather than later. Third party companies would be happy about this as well. It doesn't matter if they're all saving some cents at best, they just don't care how anti-consumer they are at the end of the day.

>Sony, as a company that makes money off blurays(they're on the committee that makes them, every bluray sale anywhere makes them money) and releases movies, still wants people to use the format.
They went all-in on live service games which are digital only so I doubt it. Blu-rays never took off because of streaming. Leaving the format behind shouldn't surprise anyone.

>>715285820
Same. I see a digital purchase as a convenience tax of pirating a game. Not as something I own
In the switch 1 i buy physical games i was on the fence about. With Gks i simply dont buy

>>715286259
Sony doesn't really care about blu rays any more. PS4 Pro didn't even support 4k blu rays when that launched.

>>715284923
>>715285116
>>715285606
Thank you

>>715286259
Mario, GTA, pokémon and likely Zelda would sell, i have doubts thats others games would

>>715279798
>physical disappears entirely, everything is digital-only
>digital price goes up $30 because "What are you going to do, buy a physical cart? Those don't exist anymore"
>no secondhand market, Nintendo is already trying to find an excuse to brick anyone playing a pre-owned game

>>715286259
>Do you think people would just not buy the new Mario when they own a Switch 2?
Nintendo have already said their games will be physical so what is this argument about? Nintendo never lied like Sony does on the regular.

>>715286975
>nintendo is my friend, they would never lie to me!
sad

>>715286942
>seething
Its was not bricked, the ban was lifted

>>715286507
>Come on, anon, don't be naive.
If I phrase that as "it's a trick to make the console seem cheaper than it actually is", would that be better? I think Sony will keep offering physical as an option for the next generation(if just for backwards compatibility for now) and then retire it for good after that if Bluray doesn't make a resurgence like what the music industry is seeing with more people buying cds and vinyls.


>>715286572
The XSX and PS5 do however. Well, provided you don't go the digital only route.

>>715286975
>Nintendo never lied like Sony does on the regular.
Well you know, except when they told everyone there wouldn't be a new DS revision 24 hours before they announced a new DS revision.

>>715280438
Thats the thing that bothers me about the japanese. They are so loyal to government that they cant read between the lines. How can people that are very smart and make amazing things not question whats really going on in the world?

>>715277598
>>715277662
It was always going to be a hard sell, not because of the whole "ownership" thing, but because it's inconvenient working with this halfsies shit. People might have long since accepted the digital future and have proven they're more than willing to buy digital products over physical, but they're never going to accept a physical product that explicitly makes it known that you need to download and install it to another storage device.
At least this solves the whole code-in-a-box issue, OH NO WAIT IT DIDN'T IT KEEPS HAPPENING ANYWAYS THANKS PARLIAMENT

>>715287221
The XSX and PS5 only do because they need the additional capacity of 4k blu ray discs to ship games. The point is that Sony have demonstrated they don't care about blu ray movies as a format.

>>715279112
>Cartridges are too expensive

how is that my problem? why dosnt Nintendo use fucking regular flash cards? a fucking 64GB card costs like $5

>>715280438
>They have the best taste in the world for vidya
>gacha-obsessed cattle have the best taste in the world for vidya

>>715287258
The nation of kamikazes anon.

>>715277378 (OP)
>Nintendo Japan Sending out user satisfaction survey about Game Key-Cards.

You just know that over 90% of the users surveyed are going to in some way say they are completely satisfied with Game Key Cards. The Japanese can't say no to their symbol of national pride Nintendo. Game Key cards is an issue in the rest of the world, not Japan.

>>715287345
Loading speeds

>>715287345
Switch 2 game cards need sdexpress speeds much like ps5 and xbox games need to be installed to a suitably fast ssd. This is why the cartridges are so expensive to manufacture.

Every retard could figure out these fucking key cards wouldn't fly

Software sales will be abysmal

Nintendo is actually retarded

>>715287385
>The Japanese can't say no to their symbol of national pride Nintendo.
They droped nintendo in the n64

>>715287528
nintendo has never given a fuck abut third party game sales

>>715287156
>no argument

>>715287221
Still not really better which is why I think PS6 will be a shitfest of epic proporations. Everything Sony used to stand for is all gone.

>>715287316
Nintendo solved it because they protected their fans from that shit, that's all that matters. People know what they're buying as much as the scumbag companies try to hide it they can't.

>>715286975
He was obviously making a hypothetical question there. Come on now.

>>715287559
N64 was dropped for Playstation and Saturn. All Japanese consoles.

Here's something that everyone is sleeping on.
The cards are so expensive because they are express.
I did the test, a switch 1 version of a game compared to a red cart switch 2 version of the same game is only a second or 2 max faster at loading.
That said, why don't they sell switch 2 games on non express game carts? That would fix eveything.

>>715287459
>>715287471

nigga what the fuck, i play downloaded games on Switch from my 32GB sd card with normal loading times, and i paid like $15 for the sd

>>715287587
How am I supposed to "argue" with "Nintendo wouldn't LIE!", exactly? Call in a preschool teacher to break it down for you like you're three?

>>715287332
All their movies are still releasing on disc, are they not? They don't have their own streaming service as far as I'm aware unless you're counting Crunchyroll which they bought. Which seems retarded when they could offer some Grand Snoy Subscription that has access to CR,PS+ and their movies/tv shows like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul but Sony is ran by actual retards.

>>715287761
>why can't switch 2 games work with the same shitty storage as switch 1 games?
this isn't how it works anon

>>715278357
>Spinning discs on a portable device
Sony tried it several times across the past 4 decades, it's never fucking worked

>>715287874
does the Switch 2 use some magical sd cards now? am i out of the loop?

>>715287741
Same reason why all companies left the PS4 behind, it's too slow.

>>715287936
Yes to both.

>>715287936
yes, you have to use sdexpress cards which are 2x the price

>>715284574
People below 30 dont care about physical. They did a good job in telling people that giving away your right to sell was a good thing.
The used market was always a thorn in their side and with a new generation they made it the norm not to own.

These are the types of people who bitch that they would need to stand up to switch a game every 10 hours

>>715287193
>the ban was lifted
Because it was bad PR/community outrage, if they can figure out a way to justify it they'll do it again

>>715287579
Bullshit
If people don't buy games on your shit console it dies within 2 years

>>715287587
>Nintendo solved it because they protected their fans from that shit
How? I still happens, another example was Dragon Quest I and II HD Demake.
>People know what they're buying as much as the scumbag companies try to hide it they can't.
Switch 1's "Download required" and code in a box releases were always obvious due to their ugly disclaimers on the front cover, so literally nothing changed.

>>715287793
A retarded shitposter can't post any arguments? Say it ain't so. Almost like you just gotta lie and make shit up all the time like a retard.

I think this is pretty funny, honestly.

It reminds me of the workforce, where someone will come in and say 'that's not their job'.

Physical and digital games cost the same, but all of a sudden, now physical is more expensive because they have to get the "Cartridge".
This seems just like a way to charge more money for things they don't have to charge on.

>>715288024
>all games are 3rd party games
no, stupid

>>715288096
>2 nintendingdong games a year will keep people happy

>>715282935
>Just look at their PS+ / gamepass equivalent, it's nothing but poorly emulated roms.
I'm just sad that they release such mediocre emulation offerings despite having the source code for most of the important games / hardware. Locking access behind a shitty subscription paywall is insult to injury.

If these retards had released a product that was as good or better than unofficial emulators and sold retro ROMs for reasonable prices (let's say ~$3 for N64 games, ~$5-10 for GameCube games), I would have easily spent more than the $20 a year they charge for NSO, and I would probably own a Switch 2 right now.

>>715288174
Have you been living under a rock for the past 8 years? Yes, it will.

>>715288072
>no answer
It's almost as if your baldfaced naiveté is something I could never pierce.

>>715287936
Actually yes it does: https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/samsung-microsd-express-card-256gb-for-nintendo-switch-2-123685/

>>715288226
No, games on actual carts did

>>715287993
thats still cheap tho

>>715288226
No it won't, Wii U is the proof for that, Switch 1 was successful because it actually had ANY third party support unlike the Wii U.

>>715288247
If I have to explain to you why Nintendo cares about physical it's like I gotta walk you through the console war picture book, you can find it in kindergarten. It's one reason why Nintendo ended up winning though. Consumers and fans love physical and it's why all the retards got so upset by gamekey cards and they all acted like Nintendo was "the worst" for doing this but every other platform is digital only. Double standards at best, console warring at worst.

>Nintendo is pretending to be retarded and confused why people dislike the game key cards

they 100% know what they are doing they just wanna soften up the goy cattle to the "new normal" future

>>715288459
>but every other platform is digital only
you have to invent alternative realities where nintendo is the good guy

>>715288407
If games were the problem with the Wii U, nobody would have had a reason to buy a Switch.

If the Internet is as good in Japan as they say, then I can see why they don't give game key cards much importance. If you can install a 60GB game in 2 minutes, for example, it's not a big deal to delete/install games all the time.
In fact, this is the biggest problem with game key cards. You can only put 4 Elden Rings on the Switch 2. After that, even if they are 4 physical games, you have to keep deleting games and downloading them from the Internet to play the, which is unacceptable. In Japan, this process may be fast and practical enough that people don't mind, but in the rest of the world, people will get extremely annoyed when they start having storage problems.

can you resell the game key card or is it like a key that is permanently attached to a Nintendo account?

>>715288863
yes you can resell it
but you also need the card inserted to play the game

Man nintendo really broke this board

>>715288863
You can resell

>>715288856
It's disturbing that the Switch 2 launched with half as much storage as the PS4 12 years ago. The only reason people aren't complaining is because there aren't any games to install yet.

>>715288518
Tendies would argue the sky is red if Nintendo told them too.

>>715289009
>dusk doesnt exist

>>715279628
NFTs was the answer, but retards conflated it with monkey pngs and killed it

if Sony did this key card shit there would be 100 threads daily making fun of SNOYS

but when Nintendo does it...

>>715283420
Gachas are falling.
60% of players in mobile games are women and you cant push you shitty gachas to that audience. See why the devs of Stellar Blade made a AAA game for Playstation and PC, only MEN has consoles and pc

>>715289458
>NFTs was the answer, but retards conflated it with monkey pngs and killed it
*correctly identified a "potential man" at best, and a blatant scam at worst
FTFY techbro

>>715279628
>ownership of digital games

you literally dont own digital games, you own the licence to play them

>>715288518
PC is, Xbox is, Sony has pushed hard for it and it's obviosuly the direction they want. Try to refute it then. You retards always just post garbage with zero arguments every single time. If you can't understand why Nintendo cares about physical when their games sell 30-70 million copies it's seriously a low digit IQ thing

>>715279798
Inti also happens to be in danger of bankruptcy because their games are considered too niche and/or involve sexualized anime girls also Limited Run completely fucked them over with their deals in the past, but that's standard procedure for Limited Run to begin with. They're probably shouldering the burden of production all on their own this time around.

>>715289623
>Try to refute it then.

>>715289617
This is the definition of all media. The only difference between a game delivered digitally and one recorded on a disc or something similar is that if the company revokes the license in the latter case, you may, in some cases, continue to use the product. This is not the case with the Switch, however. Consider the case of people having their Switch 2 banned for using games whose license was revoked.

>>715284918
>1. it's being done by companies that have way more than enough resources to just release physical copies.
that's not nintendo's fault
>and 2. because it also ruins the boxart with the text.
good, they deserve the humiliation ritual

>>715285843
>there's already several Switch 2 games that are 50GB+.
mostly westoid AAA goyslop ports that were originally 400GB+

>>715288020
because it was legit not the guy's fault, he just got fucked over by a nigger reselling a MIG'd copy
this kind of case was not even rare back during the switch 1's prime and unbannings were also just as easy because the draconian nintendo telemetry on the switch 1 and 2 can easily tell if you used the mig or were just fucked over once you contact support

>>715289601
case in point, here's one of those retards I was talking about

>>715289873
Mm. Sure. That's why retards acted like Nintendo murdered their parents when they announced gamekey cards. This is exactly what I mean too, you losers do this shit all day and you're just stupid. You can't refute it because you know I'm right and you know you're lying.

>>715283507
>Outsells the Switch 1 for a week or 2, barely
Because everybody was buying the Switch 2 instead

>>715288997
>It's disturbing that the Switch 2 launched with half as much storage as the PS4 12 years ago.
the ps4 launched with a HDD that was slow as shit from, how cheap it was even for the time
the bottlenecks from that are so egregious that adding an SSD to it (or hell even just a modern laptop HDD) legitimately feels like a ps4 pro upgrade

>>715290475
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with ps5 and xbox being digital only platforms?

Holy shit. /v/ is actually melting down over the possibility of blowback against this. The Switch's success made tendies absolutely fucking deranged.

>>715290413
anything you can think of for nfts was either not gonna be used, or could have been done way easier without them
sorry you were someone else's bigger sucker, true believer

>>715290627
sure, but the point is that we have less storage for similarly sized games
you can also look at the series s if you want a more recent example

>>715284165
>are they just cartridges that allow you to download the game?
Yes
>Can you resell or let someone borrow the cartridge no problem?
Yes
Switch 1 had like 40% of physical games release as a code in a box. This was supposed to solve the issue, but we're still getting download codes because the EU doesn't see anything wrong with it and probably because lobbyists worked hard to keep it going for the game companies that pay their salaries.

>>715287528
Yeah they were retards for actually listening to third party publishers who are usually more often than not making retarded mistakes compared to them. They should have told them to shut the fuck up when they suggested key cards.

>>715285625
Sony gets a pass because you can still attach a disc drive to those models and play physical games, they don't force you to use digital unlike nintendo and microsoft.

I don't like them simply because I want my fucking storage space, I don't want it clogged up by fucking key card games, when I buy physical I do it to SAVE ON SPACE.

>>715279112
If Nintendo allowed to release Switch 2 games on Switch 1 cards it would solve the issue for everyone but the AAA games.
As for AAA almost every game currently is a PS4 port let us not pretend devs starve because they ported a game what costs $10 on every other platform. The reason Cyberpunk+DLC can be on card despite they supposedly lose like $15 on it is because it is an old ass game where the porting to minimal effort.

>>715291460
this was a major upside to the switch 1 desu and it somewhat made up for the high price of games

>>715288459
There is a difference between releasing less and less physicals on other platforms and cutting it off completely overnight when you know a very large part of your userbase liked your platform because they could get even obscure shit in physical format.

>>715279628
Thats retarded. Why not just drop the veneer of digital anything being ownable since its infinitely copyable and just have people pay for something to be created in the first place.

>>715291702
It's annoying now more than ever because of fucking express sd cards costing an arm and a leg for less storage than the standard. I get why they needed express but express costs + key cards + bloated modern software filesizes is a fucking nightmare combination.

>>715289594
Love and Deepspace is the highest grossing mobile game most months and that's a game for women. It's overly horny like most gachas, it's just kpop looking boys instead of anime girls.

>>715288856
People in Western countries not have good internet. I worked in a physical store years ago I remember people screaming why Fallout 76 is a physical box with a digital game, they not have speed or enough storage for an AAA game

>>715291502
>If Nintendo allowed to release Switch 2 games on Switch 1 cards
They do, it's called "release a switch 1 game nigger".

>>715280438
they censor the fuck out of everything just not loli panty quest 2 get your head out the sand

>>715291502
>If Nintendo allowed to release Switch 2 games on Switch 1 cards it would solve the issue
They do for Switch 2 Edition games of Switch 1 games. The problem is that the EU made it legal for game companies to sell games as download vouchers in physical boxes, and that's exactly what they're going to continue doing.

>>715291880
I think financing every game on kickstarter might not work out well

>>715277378 (OP)
I thought everything was gamecards?

>>715291502
>>715292079
Switch 2 Editions are just Switch 1 carts with the enhance patch pre-installed.

>>715281691
nigger you're the one with a single data point. ps3 sold less than ps2 too. Wii u sold less than wii. Switch only sold more than wii u because it was an actual handheld. The lite is irrelevant because there wasn't a compelling price difference.

>>715292000
>Love and Deepspace is the highest grossing mobile game most months
after applying the /r/gachagaming x8 multiplier lol

>>715292895
>after applying the /r/gachagaming x8 multiplier lol
Explain to someone who never heard of this.

>>715292106
>The problem is that the EU made it legal for game companies to sell games as download vouchers in physical boxes
Seriously fucking retarded

>>715292106
Code in a box bothers you so much you honestly think it should be illegal? that's fucking hilarious

>>715283360
thats a good thing though

>>715292968
chinkoids bloat the numbers of their gacha using the "android estimate" because there's only concrete iphone numbers iirc
btw they also nerf the jp game income by like x0.5 because "weebs play on the jp server inflating the numbers unfairly"
and somehow japan still dominates gacha to the point chinkoid gacha has to start coping with "combined" server revenue to not be at the bottom of the charts even with that, while having stuff like the pokemon TCG gacha be "global" only which excludes japan, despite japan being 60-80% of the total income in any given gacha
they also refuse to add the imas gacha to the chart because despite being jp-only it fucking rapes everything else like the pokemon TCG does

>>715289594
Nigger you're retarded. Just because there is a larger marketshare for one type of game doesn't mean devs are just going to abandon a sure thing for another.

>>715293274
But why? Why does it matter for a multimillion company to do 1 or 2 millions per months? They are still filthy riches, nothing will ever change lmao.

>>715288005
yea I'm gonna get up and switch the disc every time just so I can resell a $60 game for $5 down the road.

>>715285921
>Conservatives
>Fear mongering
There's a whole cottage industry about fear mongering about Nintendo, of course they'd be raging.

speaking of digital only, how come a certain period of time when a game hasn't been played it loads slowly or has to redownload to fix an error?

The only problem with GKC's is that they are replacing what wouod otherwise be physical releases. Its that fucking simple.
If stores had both physical, at full price, and the option to buy the same game for 15% cheaper with GKC I would be good with it.
The problem, and the reason i hate them is that they are replacing physical. Its either buy digital, or digital in a box with extra steps.
Its simple really.

>>715289458
Nfts were only ever usefull for a decentralized system. There is no reason nintendo can't just have their own ledger.

Digital
>Buy game online
>Download game
>Play game
Price: 59.99

Key-card
>Drive to store
>Purchase game
>Drive home
>Download game
>Insert key card (don't lose it!)
>Play game
Price: 59.99

What the fuck is the point of it? Are Japanese people completely retarded or something?

>>715290876
nah something like unstoppable domains literally is not possible without them

>>715294219
>they are replacing what wouod otherwise be physical releases.
dont kid yourself
niggers like SE are already releasing code-in-box shit even with the goykeys

>>715292163
It'll work it just won't be what the plebs want. Only enthusiets will reign supreme.

>>715294465
I have final fantasy 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 and 12 on the switch 1, physical, complete on cart.
I also have lost sphere, i am setsuna, world of final fantasy, dragon quest 1 2 3, dq 11, dq monsters, dq builders 1 and 2.
All of them physical.
Meanwhile switch 2 came out and bravely default hd (11gb) is game key.
Guess what? I dont own bravely default and never will.

>>715277378 (OP)
Total Game Key Card Death

>>715294272
Japs don't drive to the store they walk there. Many on their way home because the interiors are nice to look at. Also a good way to meet high school girls.

>>715287675
Nips see the playstation as american?

>>715294732
>I have final fantasy 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 and 12 on the switch 1, physical, complete on cart.
You can thank nintendo for that.

>>715295119
Sony only moved to California in 2016.

>>715295749
They see ps5 as american console?

>>715295274
This game key card thing is gonna cost them thousands with me alone. This is one shelf, I have 15. Plus 2 big drawers since I ran out of self space for the switch. I realize I'm not normal (lol) or the average game buyer but so far I have just 2 games for the switch 2 and it's not gonna get much better with the switch 2 if they keep going this gamekey route. I will never, ever, buy a key card.

>>715277378 (OP)
If you're a game publisher and you release a GameKey Card I shan't be buying your game. I hate Switch 2 digital a lot because MicroSD Express are like 80 dollars for 1TB wtf.

Reminder goykeys are a honeytrap to fuck over jew third party devs hellbent on killing physical games with code-in-box shit, as anyone with a brain will either optimize their game to run on the switch 1 to use the cheap carts or fork over money for the switch 2 ones.
Also reminder this is hardly new as ALL PiS5 games are effectively goykey games, yes at first you could run them off the disk if you wanted PS4 tier load times, but with the directstorage magic SSD meme feature you basically need to install them to the SSD to get PiS5 performance, which led devs to be lazy and ship zero data on the disk, forcing you to install hundreds of GBs off a download anyway even if you bought "physical".

>>715296303
>This game key card thing is gonna cost them thousands with me alone.
>I will never, ever, buy a key card.
good
now go rightfully whine at the publishers for being cheap jews, not at nintendo who still releases their first party stuff full in cart

>>715277378 (OP)
I predict that japan will be the ONLY country that gets all the Thirdparty games full on cart moving forward.

>>715277378 (OP)
total digital game death
bring back physical games

>>715280932
>you never lose your digital games
sure thing
>say word
>money stolen
>no, you can't re-download your games. your purchases are invalidated and gone forever