Thread 715279036

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE DEVS TO SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER!
>what? you just want to be able to run basic dedicated servers in private without relying on continued support of a publisher?
>but it's too difficult/infringes IP... AIIIIIIIIEEEEEE *short circuits*
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE DEVS TO SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER!

Why do corpocuck shills meltdown when we ask for the most basic private servers? Why do they post the same strawman arguments again and again?

Stop Killing 4chan with your eceleb garbage.

>>715279036 (OP)
Show me the tits of the blond slut

>>715279123
Sure.
www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/125814887#manga

>>715279036 (OP)
why do eurofags cry so hard for the government to regulate them even harder?

>>715279036 (OP)
>those fucking arms
And he still wants this shit to be an actual anime?

>>715279227
>Jecka x Nicole's Mom
huh

lmao you'll NEVER EVER get 1.4m signatures.

>>715279227
I dont have an account

>>715279446
>you'll never get 1 million signatures
>noo, there are fake signatures! you need 1.2 million
>noo, now you need 1.4 million!!

heres your (you) btw, retard

>>715279943
We know a good 400k are bots, plus the usual ones that get thrown out because people can't spell their own name means it will fall well short.

>>715279036 (OP)
Class of 09 is still ass

>>715279694
Here's a r34 link.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12743877&tags=hanamuko

>>715281141
Cheers lad. Good stuff blondie has nice tits.

>>715281283
I cannot fathom being such a corporate cock sucker. Much more likely that you're just a miserable faggot that hates seeing people actually succeed at getting things they want.

>>715281141
lmao

>>715279036 (OP)
>Why do corpocuck shills meltdown when we ask for the most basic private servers?
Because their sequel games use a similar architecture and possibly the same servers to connect to. It's retarded, but the IP argument legally stays valid. Giving that up to gamers, while morally correct, will piss off network engineers and refuse to allow it despite it probably only needing a few lines of code.

>>715279404
What SBN3 didn't want to show you after Nicole fucks Jecka's dad.

>>715282828
>Giving that up to gamers, while morally correct, will piss off network engineers
They are going to be malding going forward then, because it's happening.

>>715283016
>it's happening
Or companies will just pull the plug on multiplayer for EU.
>They'll lose customers!
Corpos'll live.

>>715283483
They will bend the knee. Like they always do.
The cost of complying will be lower than pulling out, or pulling features.

>>715283593
Hope so.

>>715281965
I've done at least 3 in one day

>>715279335
Unfortunately we are the Swiss/French containment zone, aka the countries that routinely get together and ruin the world with globalized intellectual property, so we do need to occasionally unfuck the consequences of mishaps like the DMCA or the Berne convention. We're not a very good containment zone, please understand.

>>715282828
>Giving that up to gamers, while morally correct, will piss off network engineers
So, nothing new.
>>715283483
>Or companies will just pull the plug on multiplayer for EU.
Initiative accidentally makes the EU the promise land?

>>715286465
Didn't everyone laugh at this retard for being against it and a fraud?

>>715286830
Pirat_Nation isn't PirateSoftware.

>>715279036 (OP)
I know for sure WoW and Maple Story had private servers back in the day. Is that somehow not possible anymore?

>>715286465
If only Britbongs were so lucky. Fuck our government, I hope the impending Online Safety Act riots destroys them.

>>715287105
Don't worry dave the intern will send the same response with the paragraphs move around (again).

>>715279036 (OP)
Help me write a paper, /vee/.
>https://wesmania.github.io/game-life-report/Technical%20stuff%20part%201.html
>https://wesmania.github.io/game-life-report/Technical%20stuff%20part%202.html

>>715286465
This seems huge, no?

>>715279335
Euros are the decedents of the cowards who were too scared to cross the Atlantic and go to America

>MUB CORPORASHUNS!!!

I can just stop buying something from a corporation. They don't have the power to imprison me with force like the state does. Why don't euros understand this?

>>715288008
Because I don't have time to scrutinize my every single interaction with a corporation. Making a law that forbids most common asshole behavior fixes it.

>>715279036 (OP)
Hey you guy, kinda lame that you are begging daddy government to solve your problems
>Isn't this entire situation happening because you cry to daddy government to stop us from making copies of your games
ummmm.... thats different. Piracy is theft
>What was stolen by someone making a copy?
OUR POTENTIAL REVENUE
>So something you didn't have was stolen?
IT'S WRONG! THINK OF THE DEVS LOSING THEIR JOBS!
>You mean the ones you fired en mass?
Because our games didn't perform well due to piracy
>Why are they also not performing well in piracy charts
UMMMMM.....
>Hey, we're reading through your TOS and we're noticing they heavily violate data privacy laws especially when it comes to minors, I think that should be our next issue.
STOP CRYING TO DADDY GOVERNMENT TO
>To report the laws you wrong in your EULA you beg daddy government to enforce
*has meltdown*

I'm gonna be real, its time starting to get to a point where gamers may just need to turn on the companies we used to love. They used us as their personal army for decades
>Fight censorship and Jack Thompson for us.
oh now we feel like censoring games cause fuck you and we don't care if that is how you bought it
>We don't want stores passing ID laws for M rated games
LOL we are lobbying for mass ID collection and face scanning for games cause the ESRB cares about kids
>Banning games shouldn't be allowed, we are free speech art!
Oh you wanna have a library that preserves games, well we're lobbying against preservation. We may sell you a $60 re release that has been censored for modern tastes. LOL

And much like a betrayed mercenary, maybe its time for some payback. Because I can think of many ways to make game developers lives a living hell and government over reach that has been BEGGING to be implimented.

>>715287625
It's a confirmation that the EU commission and parliament are predisposed to be pro consumer and eager to regulate big corps. This gives them the perfect excuse. It's a big smack in the face for the "they are going to do nothing about it" crowd.
Ross was correct in his initial assessment that this has teeth.

Signed.

>>715288959
As if a random twitter post means anything.

>>715282828
>Because their sequel games use a similar architecture and possibly the same servers to connect to.
So? Authentication can be easily blocked or redirected if you do not want people with the wrong software connecting to the wrong servers.

>>715286830
Pirat_Nation is some Ruskie with an engagement bait slop account. Scum, but a different type of scum than PirateSoftware.

>>715287564
Fix your spelling mistakes. And what help do you need with it anyway?

>>715279036 (OP)
thats not what the initiative states in the petition
its because of this constant dishonesty and motte and bailey that i distrust the people behind it

>>715279227
.. Someone please just catbox that moron's link.

lmao 1.4m NEVER EVER - skg is dead in the water.

>>715280675
dont forget all the people that dont actually live in the european union

>>715292627
That's exactly what the initiative states. A publisher is free to choose any method by which he wants to enable the consumer to retain the ability to utilize the product he had purchased a perpetual license to utilize. They can release server tools, they can patch the game itself to no longer require online components, or they can leave the European market.

>buy game client
>seller tells me its only a client
>seller tells me i am not buying the server files and it wont be usable when their servers shutdown
>agree to these conditions and voluntary decide to make the transaction.
>server shut down after 8 years of playing the game
>start making up bs lies about having been robbed and that they owe me something that i never bought

This is why consumers are fucking scum.

>>715281141
Why did R34 get so filled with retarded normalfags?

>>715292985
nope, its deliberately vague and sensational
every time someone has valid criticism skg either retreats to the motte or shrugs it away entirely

lets look at your arguments, even if none of these are in the petition

>A publisher is free to choose any method by which he wants to enable the consumer to retain the ability to utilize the product he had purchased a perpetual license to utilize
begging the question, you never bought a perpetual licence to begin with
and what does utilise mean here? what amount of features are you allowed take away, and which should be guaranteed? will that be coded into law?
>They can release server tools
>they can patch the game itself to no longer require online components
what if thats not possible? what then?
>they can leave the European market.
why would the european commission want publishers to leave the eu? are you this stupid? the eu will not enact bad faith law you muppet

this kind of dishonesty is exactly why the movement is a sham

>>715279036 (OP)
If it is any consolation, PirateSoftware is paying for his crimes against humanity.

>>715294716
Seethe and cope all you want. You lost.

>>715294792
that guy is an idiot but hes right for calling out skg as (good guy) idiots

>>715294894
lost what?

>>715293173
>make up bullshit for a useless clickthrough
>act like it's the law and steal billions from people
>get told that it's going to end now
>start crying
THat's why corporations are fucking scum.

>>715294716
>vague and sensational
So vague that the EU commission held it up as an example of a well constructed initiative? You should stop parroting Jason's words.
>someone has valid criticism
Strawmen are not valid criticisms.

>begging the question, you never bought a perpetual licence to begin with
All software licenses are perpetual, unless stated otherwise, as supply of software is considered to be supplying goods.
https://www.tlt.com/insights-and-events/insight/cjeu-determines-that-the-supply-of-computer-software-is-sale-of-goods/

>and what does utilise mean here
To be in a "reasonably playable state". That will depend on a game. But if upon clicking "launch game", you get nothing, the game is not in a reasonably playable state. If it is an online only game, then it needs to have ability for connectivity between users, not managed by the central supplier. Aka lan or dedicated server hosting. IF it is a singleplayer game, it needs to be divorced from DRM that requires central servers for authentification.
>what if thats not possible? what then?
That is not my problem.
>why would the european commission want publishers to leave the eu
They will comply if they don't.
>bad faith law
Bold words from someone that deems EULA, a bad-faith non-contract to be the word of law.

Your masters are losing, you can stop bawling about it now.

>>715286465
big if large.

>>715294915
Nah, and you're an idiot. Fortunately a politician who is smarter to you has realized this could be a popular position.

>>715295358
>the EU commission held it up as an example of a well constructed initiative
the eu is desperate to prove its failing system is working, of course they will look at it positively in the honeymoon 'one gazillion people signed' phase
also whos jason?
>All software licenses are perpetual, unless stated otherwise, as supply of software is considered to be supplying goods.
unless stated otherwise, such as in the licence agreement
>To be in a "reasonably playable state". That will depend on a game.
i see, so more useless unenforceable consumer "protection" that does nothing but make a joke out of legal certainty
>That is not my problem.
see, you did exactly what i said youd do
valid criticism, met with dismissal
>Bold words from someone that deems EULA, a bad-faith non-contract to be the word of law.
never said that, i believe positive law itself is a cancer that should be eliminated

>>715296276
That's why cucksoftware was angry at the "easy win for politicians" slide.
This is such a low hanging fruit, that any career politicians dreams of something like this falling on their lap.

>>715296276
one gazillion in electorate! of course politicians pretend to care, never mind them actually code this thing in to law because its a nightmare

>>715279335
why are Americans so anti 1st amendment beyond the right to say nigger in a crowded theatre?

>petitioning the government for a redress of greviences is actually bad

>>715296502
its a stupid argument for why politicians would care
they care because theres almost 1.4 million signatures, not because its "an easy win"

>>715296725
You are arguing semantics a bit. It's an easy win precisely because it's popular (1.4m signatures).
Also form a cost benefit analysis, that politicians usually run, there is no downside for them implementing this. This is a 90-10 issue.

>>715296589
That's why politicians have legal teams dumb-dumb. A large number of politicians have gone to law school. Just because you don't know how to build a bridge it doesn't mean someone else doesn't know.

>>715294331
It was over when they banned loli.
>>715292657
https://files.catbox.moe/c2dl2j.jpg
no need to be so harsh.

>>715294716
>its deliberately vague
That's the whole point of an eu innitiative anon, the one opening the innitiative is supposed to just bring attention to the issue, and once it reaches enough signatures then the experts on the corresponding fields can be gathered to find a solution.

That is literally how the process works.

>>715292517
Writing missing chapters would be nice, especially ones that deal with legal stuff. Making the PDF less ugly. Proofreading.

>>715297780
So its everything and nothing at the same time. Anything could come from this and no one knows what they are signing up for, and as soon as someone criticizes it for a likely negative outcome that it could have, they are misrepresenting SKG because its actually about nothing.

SKG is so dumb i swear to god. They actually believe that if they put "only good things should happen as a consequence of the regulation we are asking for" in the petition than that is magically what is going to happen. They also think that if the FAQ of SKG says that something wont happen or wont be a problem than it just wont. Like reality will somehow bend to the FAQ.

>>715298275
what will happen, mark my words, is that the resulting legislation will achieve nothing of the desired, and the people falling for this initiative will be left in the lurch

>>715297780
>trust the process
god you idiots are gullible

>>715298648
Things do sometimes improve when you organize and try to make society somewhat better. If cynical nihilists like you were in charge we'd all still be living like serfs in the Middle Ages under a tyrannical church and dying of bulbonic plague at 30.

>>715298741
>NOOOOOO YOU HECKIN CHUDCELOYIM YOU CAN'T USE OFFICAL CHANNELS TAKE ACTION
nice try ubisoft

>>715279036 (OP)
>what? you just want to be able to run basic dedicated servers in private without relying on continued support of a publisher?
Realistically this won't actually do much to fix the issue, especially for games which require larger player bases to actually function. Private servers, with very few exceptions, quickly become wastelands.
There's also the issue that such measures could (and would) result in proprietary code being released to the wild, which disincentivizes companies from investing in these types of vidya games.

>>715296595
>why are Americans so anti 1st amendment beyond the right to say nigger in a crowded theatre?
You can say nigger in a crowded theatre.
First amendment does not grant protection from non-government related consequences of utilizing your first amendment rights.

>>715298275
>Anything could come from this and no one knows what they are signing up for
Everyone knows precisely what they are signing for you fucking weasel.
>>715298648
What will happen is that devolpers and publishers will be forced kicking and screening to have end of life plan for things they sell to customers.

Your wailing is very unsightly.

>>715298889
it will be technically an improvement, just not any of consequence
just being realistic here, it has nothing to do with cynicism

>>715298889
yeah bro not getting server files when a game is explicitly sold to you without them is just like living under serfdom

>>715292657
>Not having a fucking pixiv account in current year
Holy shit kill yourself.

>>715299015
You can't just force someone with regulation into selling you a more valuable product for the same price you idiot. You would also need to control what price they are allowed to ask for said product and every other fucking aspect of said product. This is why communist economies resort to relying on slave labor.

>>715294331
>>715297748
More to the point he's canonically wrong since the Home Start in Flipside is after graduation and all the girls are 18. Which kind of demonstrates how fucking retarded the concept of age rating fictional characters is in the first place.

>>715300073
>You can't stop corporations from destroying your purchases after they took your money, that would be very expensive
Retard.

>>715300436
Servers(files) were never part of the purchase moron. How can can they destroy something you bought when it was never even sold to you?

SKG supporters are either playing stupid or have had their entire brain rotted away from watching too much asmongold slop.

>>715279036 (OP)
>infringes IP...
why don't they stop using shit that won't allow them to do the server shit

>>715300909
Your bargaining doesn't count for squat. The rules are going to change, the attempt to create a digital fiefdom by boiling the frog slowly failed and games will be the first domino to fall. Then all software will follow and then all hardware.
Retarded little pigs like you will be forced to become human again, no matter how much you like eating slop.

>>715300909
of course we are playing stupid how else do you argue with retards that cannot understand smart people talk?

>>715297748
>no need to be so harsh.
At least post a working catbox then...

>>715301270
Whoops.
https://files.catbox.moe/c2dl2j.png

I honestly wonder where the divide is between bad actors and actual retards - the line blurs more every day.

>>715279227
>censored

Gay

>>715301096
There doesn't even exist a monopoly in gaming. There are tens of thousands of games released every year that all compete with each other and a lot of them allow you to play them forever and host your own servers.

Obviously many of those games are made by smaller studios or indie developers. You don't want to play those because you want AAA made by multi billion dollar corporations that you believe are evil and are exploiting you.

Also you can play your games on linux if you don't like digital fiefdom. You are not going to do that either of course because windows is slightly more convenient.

>>715279036 (OP)
>>715279227
TRANNIES
JANNIE TRANNIES

>>715300909
This was all started by a game that would be perfectly playable if it didn't have a completely arbitrary requirement to phone home constantly. 100% of the content necessary to play the single player mode of The Crew existed in the files that were distributed to players. You can't access that content in the files you paid for and still possess just because they turned off a server that the game needs to contact for no good reason.

There's a distinction between paying for a product and subscribing to a service. If you pay once for something, it should be expected to remain functional for as long as you own it. Developers and publishers willfully distributed the means to allow players to operate their own servers for nearly two decades without issue. It's not an above and beyond demand that they resume doing so such that their products aren't revoked without warning or cause.

Sure, everything could move over to a subscription model, but it's either going to be an untenable value proposition like GamePass where the company behind it loses money, or it's going to make every game an MTX mess, most of which will wither and die before breaking even because only very few games can sustain that model at the same time, because players can only afford to commit themselves and their money to one or two at a time. It would be like the MMO Boom and Bust all over again. The easiest and most profitable way to continue after legislation that requires developers to preserve the playability of their games would be to develop server tools suitable for distribution ahead of time. It would ultimately make the product more flexible for their own purposes as well, and make it much easier to deal with downtime, or a changeover in hardware or staff.

>>715306694
SKG is not about games that are 90% single player but rely on some online functionality to work. Ross even got angry at piratesoftware for implying that that was ever a big part of what SKG was about.

>>715298275
The FAQ is just as real as video game EULAs

>>715279036 (OP)
It's juvenile to expect corporations to pay for servers that gives them NO money. Ross has great videos, but the whole "Stop killing games" is a meme and he sounds like a spoiled kid more than anything

>>715307659
They're not being expected to pay to keep the servers up forever. They're being expected to release the software that runs the servers so it can be operated on other people's dime instead of their own, and to make sure the final patch released at the end of official support adds the ability to connect to those servers if it wasn't part of the functionality of the game up to that point. None of this would be retroactive. So it wouldn't apply to games that have already been released, nor to games which began development before such regulations were implemented. No additional burden would be imposed on developers or publishers.