was it really that bad?

Yeah small white dick is pretty bad. It’s why white girls fuck hung dark alpha males

As XY's #1 hater back in the day, they don't seem that bad anymore with how much worse things have gotten honestly
It's at least largely what you'd expect from a pokemon game. There was clearly some stuff they were saving for Z which just didn't end up happening, probably would have been a perfectly ok gen if it did

>>715320625
why do asian "men" make posts like this
are they so insecure about white fever in asian women that they felt the need to spam this kind of thing as self perceived retaliation, but secretly got turned on by it? i dont get it

>>715320362 (OP)
It was until Gen 8 and 9 happened.

Yes.

PSS was the best online service Pokemon has ever known. But since most of /v/ and /vp/ pirated it, they only got to experience the underwhelming main game, and judge it only on that basis.

it was fine. the 3d world looked nice for the time, seeing pokemon fully modeled was awesome, mega evolution was a great addition to the gameplay, music is great. I don't remember being wowed but I stuck around enjoying myself exploring kalos for a long time, longer than I did with any other pokemon before it. Probably the roller skates had to do with it since it made movement nicer. Good presentation, meh plot, good post game.

>>715320362 (OP)
Yes.
Fuck you.

It was ok but a huge letdown after other 3d spinoffs like stadium\colosseum and failing to surpass them, even worse the performance wasn't solid and suffered from slowdowns with such mid graphics.
Other than that well, I will always play with bros no matter what.

>>715321993
You're retarded, you could play online even with pirated copies the very first years only after oras/usum launched (don't remember exactly when) they started banning people from online.

>>715320362 (OP)
It was horribly optimised and low effort. That being said it was the first attempt of the IP on 3DS so some leeway could be given. But then then ORAS and SuMo proved that it wasn't an issue of learning the hardware but just plain incompetence and lack of talent.

>>715322059
>seeing pokemon fully modeled was awesom
U wut m8? Never played stadium, colosseum, battle revolution or pokedex 3d before or something? 3d models of pokemons have been around since the first generation.

>>715320362 (OP)
The biggest problem I remember having with them was the very barebones postgame. I think as the years go by without the PSS time will not very be kind to them. I mean people replaying the games today simply cannot make use of the online features, which were a particularly large thing for XY in particular. 15 years from now as we get farther away from gen 6 that's going to warp how they're received.

I'm more forgiving of its flaws, because it was the first pokemon game I played since white, which between pearl and white, burnt me out of pokemon entirely until x/y. I liked it though.

The 3D graphics were an interesting change, the new online features were incredible and people liked the mega evoultion gimmick
It might seem crazy to zoomers who never played on original hardware and get all their opinions from poketubers but at release there was a lot more positivity surrounding XY than black/white or black2/white 2

>>715322443
Then I don't know why it gets the hate it does, if people were there to enjoy it. Maybe it's just underage b&s who missed the boat before the servers were taken down. Either way, I can't truly fault anyone for hating the games now.

>>715322564
Not that anon but I played the shit out of Stadium and PBR, played Colo and >XD, but having mainline be fully 3D was still new and novel, something they attempted to lean into with some of the funky cameras in the game (lumiose, glittering cave) and having stuff like amie

>>715321993
Pokemon search system was good. I enjoyed spending time in that part of the game and I enjoyed the social aspect of playing the games when they came out as people could finally start delving further into what makes pvp pokemon "good" without spending a shitton of time breeding and ev grinding.
Unfortunately that part wears off and what you're left with is the game itself, which fucking sucks.

Genuinely pretty sad that we'll never get a fully 2D AAA game again.
I miss sprites.

>>715323092
XY had some great features, PSS in particular, but the campaign was simply not very good and it had its share of oddities that screamed "third version"
There's definitely worse games now, but relative to the other games that existed at the time

>>715322756
>and white
Wow you missed one whole game due to that burn out.

>>715323089
>zoomers
Dude I grew up with gen 1 and 2 on the gameboy color. Gen Z is almost 30 now.

>>715323187
That's the worst thing, that the spinoff had better stories (colosseum/xd), better animations and dex accurate dimensions, that made them more impressive and immersive, I could have forgive them from still using chibi not-at-scale pokemon on their first mainline 3d attempt but every game since has been the same crap.

>>715320362 (OP)
Luv Shauna.

>>715320362 (OP)
I think more than anything it really solidified that gf were mediocre devs who just got lucky with a golden concept and artist at the right time. Once all the low hanging mechanical fruit was reached they really didn't know where to go beyond nostalgia and moar powah gimmicks. They also seem to have run out of map and dungeon ideas

>>715320362 (OP)
It took six generations for us to finally get a T Rex Pokémon SIX!

>>715324502
>cranidos

>>715321942
wait a minute BW2 was the one that introduced the shitty difficulty mode wasn't it?

>>715324558
>Cranidos
That's a Pachycephalosaurus

>>715320362 (OP)
They were the golden age™ of pvp.
But the actual game part was a downgrade to the point it was insulting. If a game ever needed a third revised edition, was 6th gen.

>>715324502
The GF took 3 generations for us to finally get a beautiful fuckable human Pokemon!

>>715320362 (OP)
my wife is in it so it can't be bad

>>715324675
We'll see about that

>>715320362 (OP)
Yes. I don't have a high opinion on BW1 either, which I think showed what was ultimately to come - but they at least tried some new things however half-baked. XY on the other hand falls off massively by the third gym and it's probably the most forgettable game. Megas are somewhat interesting but also end up being wasted potential considering GF mostly buffed good Pokémon with it anyway, and they turn the core game into an absolute faceroll. Pokémon games might be easy but you're simply handed the means to murderfuck everything.

Suppose a full translation to 3D graphics will always have compromises, but there's barely much of a game at all. Making matters worse is that Kalos got got cucked out of a Z version and we won't figure out if they ever meant to do more shit with all those peculiar dead ends. Instead it was Alola that figured out how to waste a possible do-over.

>>715323613
Those guys were technically coasting off Stadium assets as well, but the funniest bit about the GCN games is that Genius Sonority started with virtually knowing nothing about Pokémon mechanically and still managed to figure out a more challenging game. PBR was dogshit but it regardless also did size scale better than even current games.

>>715324620
Yes. It did actually have some good thought put into Hard mode changes, but simultaneously Easy mode technically gave you less experience and this is before we go right over just how retarded their unlock methods were.

>>715320362 (OP)
I always thought X & Y were heavily overhated. Sure there are some regressions compares to Gen V and in certain ways even from Gen IV.However as a whole, they were arguably one of strongest intro games for a pokemon a generation and would have been heralded a classic had we gotten a Pokemon Z

>>715324746
>t. retard

>>715324880
Retard

>>715324968
BE NICE, you butt hurt dumb boy! BE NICE! :3

>>715322545
Nintendo released new hardware for those editions though

>>715323089
You're right

Gen V was very polarizing during their relevancy. I was actually part of the detractor crowd and hated the direction the games went and only started softening up to them with time. X & Y brought back a lot of people who wanted the "core pokemon" experience back

>>715325131
Charizard single handedly ruined pokemon 3d models until scarlet and violet

>>715320362 (OP)
Serena was a top tier hebe at least.

>>715320362 (OP)
More concerned with sucking Gen 1's cock than focusing on its own region. It didn't even let any of its Pokemon use the new gimmick it introduced.

>>715321942

>>715325329
Gloria a best

>>715325329
>>715325373
Hilda will always be queen

>>715321942
what the fuck is this pic? it's literally all wrong

>>715322564
Not that anon and not that big of a pokemaniac, but I had completely forgotten about the existence of Stadium (even though I had it) until just a few years back. I also had kind of a Mandela effect going on where I completely disregarded the various 3D battlers.

>>715325329
Who?

>will never get Pokemom Z because GF had to rush into new shittier pokemon games
It was nice having a mostly OG team in a 3D handheld game, even if the story was stupid.
>>715323383
Never say never. I have a feeling the 3D trend will continue, but they'll probably do a "retro" game or at the very least make a 3D game into 2D, but some "advanced 2D" graphics im sure. It's in their back pocket like a FF7 remake was now.

>>715323089
Boomer here, lived through Gen 1 Pokemania at its peak.
What you're talking about what pre-release optimism. People believed that the franchise was being held back by hardware and that the 3D was the first "real console" to have mainline.
Everyone went into XY with a smile on their face, then left saying "that's it?". We also all believed that it was a test run and that surely Gen 7 would be a return to form.

At the time, we simply didn't know the truth about Game Freak. None of the interviews about what they had done during Gen 1 and 2 had come out yet.

>>715324620
the image is reversed because of some assblasted gen6fag

>>715323487
I didn't play platinum or hgss or bw2. I played pearl, hated it, tried again with white, hated it even more.

>>715320362 (OP)
It was the last good pokemon game that I enjoyed.

>>715325519
>Never say never. I have a feeling the 3D trend will continue, but they'll probably do a "retro" game or at the very least make a 3D game into 2D, but some "advanced 2D" graphics im sure. It's in their back pocket like a FF7 remake was now.
Zero chance. The grim reality is that 3D is infinitely cheaper to produce than 2D, and cost of the production is the big topic right now.
It's the reason why all those JRPG remakes that have been popping up these past year use 2.5D graphics - a 3D overworld with a flat 2D sprite sliding around. Because actually doing all that environmental spritework would cost a shitload more moneys.

>>715325430
Bait image from /vp/ as a part of the cancerous 6 year long war between gen 5 and gen 6 (primarily instigated by the latter)

>>715321942
We all know that gen 8 and above are where pokemon REALLY went to shit and lost all the soul
Pokemon X&Y are masterpieces compared to the switch games, let alone ORAS

>>715321942
Unovatrannies have yet to refute this.

>>715322059
Roller Skates are a great feature, It's speculated SV was such a pozzfest character-design wise because they really wanted to have the ridable Pokemon thing (which in turn was necessitated by the open world), and so they decided both would wear pants. Look, it doesn't make that much sense, but it was apparently a consideration.
They should have given everyone roller skates, it detracts the least from the "looking at your actual character" experience.

It was good

>>715325862
Who was your main gen 1 starter?

>>715325938
Mega Charizard Y

I remember liking it well enough at the time. I understood the complaints but I dunno I had honestly burnt out hard on the franchise after DPPt and pretty much entirely skipped gen 5 as a result so maybe I just didn't have such high expectations.
That said I was immediately put off by SM and I've legit never touched another game from the franchise since except Legends Arceus (which I also thought was decently fun, with the caveat of "it's clearly just a tech demo.")

Gen6fags claim that megas count as new pokemon, what do you think /v/?

>>715320362 (OP)
No, but the building blocks for the travesty that was Sun and Moon are already there.
At the very least XY is still grid-based, the map has actual dungeons, and the pokedex is pretty impressive with good new designs and a healthy amount of old ones.
The main issues XY has are the difficulty and the story, the game is piss easy and the story is kinda stupid and aimless, AZ is underutilized and the ultimate weapon is poorly explained, the legendaries are barely relevant to the plot and the rivals are extremely forgettable.

>>715326185
>The main issues XY has are the difficulty and the story
These are multiplayer games where you battle other people. The story is just a tutorial.

>>715326024
Obviously not, it's a battle form of an existing pokemon. Like saying darmanitan is two pokemon.

>>715326024
They are technically right. It was a convenient way to add more powerful evos without branching out the evolution structure to include 4 stages. It's unfortunate it ended up being a region excluosce gimmick and should have stayed as core mechanic going forward

Yes, absolutely. It got A LOT worse though.

>>715326024
Not at all, but I believe that is a non-issue as I don't think new pokedexes need to be as extensive, there's already over 1000 pokemon and each game brings lots of old ones back so I'm fine with them introducing fewer new species and instead spending that time making the old ones relevant.

>>715326230
If I'm gonna spend 30 hours on it at the very least I'd expect it to hold my attention.

>>715326024
>new pokemon
not really no
>the only good transforming gimmick
yes
i'm still mad that they dropped it like a sack of bricks and that some of my favorite designs (that made shitmons actually decent) are basically locked to a decade old game

>>715324746
Kill urself slopper

>>715325862
carried hard by the online

>>715326012
>That said I was immediately put off by SM and I've legit never touched another game

Similar experience over here as well. I played Sun & Moon near release and could not bring myself to finish the game. Nothing about the games stood out to me the lackluster pokemon selection, the soulless KANTOO pandering, the somehow inferior graphics/art design comlared to Gen VI, removing gyms in favor of the tiki trial shit and the shameless lili waifubait killed the games for me
G402y

>>715320362 (OP)
Gen 7 was much worse

>>715320362 (OP)
Yeah. Your rivals are completely unlikable now and way too numerous. The bad guys are almost as bad as team yell, a minor nuisance at best and fold under minor pressure in their loyalty to Lysander, who is so blatantly evil that the people around him who don’t call it out seem even dumber by comparison. This game has the most unfinished content like south kalos, Z, and hallway like routes and caves. It’s also the easiest game pre switch era, with some of the most disappointing battles of any end game (Serena’s greninja has 3 moves so it’s more likely to pick the smartest attack). Everything about Kalos’s aesthetic is bland, cringe or induces deeper introspection into why I even play games made for kids. Worst of all? It’s boring. They had all this lore planned and tried to drop it at the end but still had too much cut and it doesn’t respect itself enough to flesh it out. I’m in the middle of replaying it with a hand picked team just to see if it evokes some joy, and honestly, I’m bored and underwhelmed.

>>715325803
TRVTH TSAR BOMBA

>>715320362 (OP)
No, but they were definitely underwhelming past the novelty of being 3D.

>>715320362 (OP)
It's because it was the first gen that didn't get a "Complete" version like 3rd game of each game or bw2's sequel. So pokemon players were judging the quality of initial release's to things like black and white 2 which were revisements of the original and would be more accurate to compare it to.

Now that said there is absolutely a shit ton wrong with the game and without even considering what I initially wrote it would probably be the weakest gen up until gen 8 by a long shot.