Thread 715328396

>controllers were two button, then four button to keep it simple
>Pic related comes in, nobody has any problems with it at all and it's 10x better for fighting games
>Industry promptly ignored it and continues 4 button config but (due to gamers demanding higher complexity) now invent 4 shoulder buttons, pressure sensitivity, another two back butt buttons, and other wacky c-stick type bullshit instead.

Fucking stupid. Should've rolled with six button config ever since it first came out. GameCube controller with melee is the greatest controller config of all time but everything else is subhuman trash.

>>715328396 (OP)
The Sidewinder also got a similar layout plus added more buttons.
The siderwinder controllers were neat but I have no idea what compelled MS to create The Duke but it had about as many front buttons.
That said the layout of the xbox 360 controller was the only thing that console did right since it accommodated everything but fighting games and FGC fags will use a stick anyways.
>muh blades
I liked the console update with the Avatar stuff because achievements now granted more stuff to show up something only Playstation Home did for a small period of time and then only Steam followed on through.
While the xbox avatar era lived very shortly it came around the time the xbox 360 was getting its second wind and before utterly collapsing.

Going back to Sega, the Sega Saturn controller is still GOATED.

>>715328396 (OP)
>put thumb in middle of 4 buttons
>easy access

>praises the 6 buttons config being great for fighting games but non-sensical for about every other games

>>715328396 (OP)
>GameCube controller with melee

The shit you say don't make sense, tryhard faggot.

>>715328396 (OP)
snes was 6 buttons plus select and start, and that was before genesis had this

>>715328396 (OP)
and then they threw everything away just to copy Nintendo and fail

>>715329331
imagine releasing this after the ps1 had dual sticks

>controlling the camera is not important gajin

>>715329331
Ironic, since their previous controller was perfect in every way. Pic related.
29 years and still no "stick drift."

>>715328824
>Sidewinder
that thing looks ugly as hell cheese louise

>>715329475
2 sticks or keyboard+mouse have perfected 3d games, not this prototype shit.

>>715329603
To each their own. Can't please everyone.

>>715329650
Sure, now try to convince me you're spending hours playing with this.

Two kind of gamers, the ones who play games and the ones who invent nostalgic fantasies about stuff they don't even play.

>>715328396 (OP)
You can only really comfortably use 4 main face buttons before it's too much.

>>715329768
Then again, you could potentially treat those additional two buttons as sort of start/select or such. You'd mainly use the four buttons, but for some lesser actions use those two.
Certainly would be easier to reach than the start/select on most modern controllers.

>>715329743
dont say "gamers" like that its derogatory

>>715329903
nah the start or select are closer than those two weird ones on the right. at least og xbox made it fun/quirky with the two cute ass buttons for small ass actions lmao. ayooooo it turns the flashlight on

>>715328396 (OP)
>Pic related comes in, nobody has any problems with it at all and it's 10x better for fighting games
The SNES 4 buttons+2 shoulders is objectively better.

>>715329475
>"stick drift."
This was not an issue until late Gen 8 and then 9.
Now you can bet that your modern controller will be garbage in a couple of months.
I made a xbox controller out of spare parts I found and that shit works better than the PRO controller I bought from one of the best reviewed sellers online with official quality certs.

I could swear modern controllers are made to fail, the joy cons are absurdly shoddy.

>>715329551
Yeah but they were functional, funny enough Microsoft did go with the Banana controller Sony rejected for the PS3.

The sidewinder mouses were godlike.

>>715329903
This is what you usually do if you have a modern 6 button controller based off the Genesis or Saturn one, although the left most face buttons are closer to the start button than they are to the ones on the far right. You have a 4 button core and then for lesser actions you don't use as much and/or you won't need to use in frequent succession you use the two that are left, in conjunction with the L and R shoulder buttons. This gives you the equivalent of the 4 face buttons + 4 shoulder button standard. Reaching across for the two farthest face buttons isn't quite as easy as just switching your fingers over two extra shoulder buttons and it requires taking your thumb's attention away from the core 4 face buttons, but obviously most 2D games (including modern ones) don't require frequent use of all eight buttons.
That said, you could probably put your thumb over the middle face buttons (Y and B) and try to regularly alternate between all 6, but I think that gets awkward.

>>715331029
No.

>>715328824
The layout of the 360 controller is ass. It's just a Dreamcast +1 analog stick.
People are jumping all over back buttons now because the 360 layout is so bad at using its face buttons.
>>715329432
Camera control with dual analog is actual shit and forces games to be significantly less complex.
If you want to do 3D games on controller and you don't have motion controls, then the camera should mostly handle itself outside of edge cases.
If you want to do 3D games with camera controls, then mouse and keyboard should be preferred to avoid limiting yourself.

>>715328396 (OP)
actually controlls were 2 button (NES), then 3 button (Genesis), then 4+2 button (SNES), then 6 button (Genesis 6 button), then you had the PS1 with 4+4, then the Saturn with 6+2, then the N64 with 6+2(/3 if you count the less accessible shoulder button), and it only actually settled on 4 with the Dreamcast, where sega was being super retarded. Heck, even the gamecube and xbox deviated from the traditional diamond; GC used 4 but in an odd orientation, and xbox had 6 in an odd orientation. It only TRULY became 4+4 during the 7th gen.

>>715329475
my nigga

>>715328396 (OP)
microsoft basically kneecapped the controller industry for pc by making xinput the standard, which has a fixed input pool unlike direct input that can have a shitload more.

>>715329603
name a single 3d game that makes use of all the keys in the keyboard

>>715332071
>People are jumping all over back buttons now because the 360 layout is so bad at using its face buttons.
It was adequate for most games, the xbox one controller was better because the awful cheap D-pad was fixed. The D-pad of the xbox 360 was hilariously terrible and this was at the time the xbox had the live arcade thing and the controller was not suitable for old games because of how much it sucked.

>>715332947
name a single game that uses all the keys on the keyboard

>>715333410
none... using a keyboard for gaming is not necessary

>>715329603
2 sticks are kind of garbage. Only being able to pan the camera around at fairly fixed speeds is limiting to your ability to interact with things and if movement is relative to the camera position, then it's even worse and also makes movement inaccurate and sluggish.
Unless you're playing a simple 3D platformer, 2 sticks just aren't enough.
>>715332947
Basically anything with hotkeys.
>>715333074
>It was adequate for most games
It was barely functional, because most games at the time were switching towards being goldfish attention span military shooters, bamham snap-to combat, etc. that practically played themselves. I wouldn't have even acquired a 360 controller if control rebinding on PC at the time hadn't been going to complete shit.

designing your controller around one genre of video games is dumb

>>715333632
yeah, my DDR pad sucks for playing fornite

>>715333756
congrats anon how'd you get fortnight working on that konami DDR max machine

>>715333632
What about designing your video games around the controller?

>>715333756
It can be used to beat Elden Ring though.

>>715333819
steam input has something called action sets/action layers

>>715328396 (OP)
>6 front buttons
>works perfectly for fighting, nothing else
>1 thumb to push 6 buttons
>put 2 triggers so extra fingers have buttons to press
>add another 2 on the shouldere for your other fingers to press
>added 2 more buttons total with much easier access
Nah. It was perfect for certain genres, but those genres arent dominant today

>>715334105
>1 thumb to push 6 buttons
That's why you claw the right side of the controller, stupid.

>>715328396 (OP)
>Should've rolled with six button config ever since it first came out.
Nintendo and Sega used the six button layout for their fifth gen consoles, but they got trounced by the console that used a four button layout, the PlayStation X.

Anon I use an M30 (pic related) and for a lot of games, 4 buttons is the superior choice. It's angled right so you can use your thumb to press 2 buttons at once (A and X or B and Y). There is no good way to do this on these 6 button controllers because if the buttons were angled properly, these controllers would have to be unnecessarily "taller". It's even awkward to position the thumb horizontally so you can press a row of buttons. At some point I used to bind B/Y and C/Z so that those were the normal 4 face buttons, but that's not a good solution either. At least the good thing about this gamepad is the fact it has a decent d-pad and 4 shoulder buttons (so you can use what would be equivalent to R3 and L3).
The only place where I'd say makes a lot of sense to have 6 or more face buttons is an arcade stick.

>>715337186
>a four button layout, the PlayStation X.
Technically 8 buttons, if we're going to count the SNES as a "6-button controller" due to L & R. The PS had four face buttons and four triggers.

>>715337357
I'm just referring to face buttons.

>>715337343
oh sorry the saturn controller is meant for normal hands not fat sausage fingers

>>715328396 (OP)
6 button controllers aren't comfortable because you can't roll your thumb to hit all the buttons. It's that simple.

>>715337448
So your thumb covers even less? how's that make any sense?
Also image reverse that picture

>>715337386
Oh right, I was thinking SNES, not N64. My bad.

>>715328396 (OP)
Xbox tried the 6 button controller layout. It really didn't work with analog sticks.

>>715329475
Perfect until you want to play a game that heavily uses the shoulder buttons and then it's hand cancer. Try playing Steamgear Mash on it.