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>Being talked about on mainstream EU television
>Every single major youtuber has mentioned it
>Multiple politicians have backed it
Have gamers, dare I say, actually risen up?
I literally don't give a fuck about this because I didn't play those shitty games anyways and this will end in the worst way imaginable for le gamers.
>I literally don't give a fuck about this because I didn't play those shitty games anyways and this will end in the worst way imaginable for le gamers.
>mainstream EU television
kek
>>715329120 (OP)And to think. All he had to do was use his fucking mana gem
>>715329202Are you mad that I already own 100% of my roms?
>>715329175>Responds to the thread .5 seconds after it was created seething>Pretends he doesn't care
God is great.
Christ is king.
Piratsoftware shoves tiny animals in his ass.
>>715329120 (OP)>Being talked about on mainstream EU televisionWhere/when?
>>715329258And now I will own every single gacha game ever created
>>715329325It was on news channels in multiple countries in Europe
>>715329286I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and stop making the threads.
I don't care how fast I responded either. If the post is at the top, I reply to fuck it up.
>I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and stop making the threads.
>I don't care how fast I responded either. If the post is at the top, I reply to fuck it up.
>>715329436Do you have a problem, bitchtits?
>>715329361Are there recordings?
>Do you have a problem, bitchtits?
>>715329120 (OP)Government funded psy op. You're going to be trading corpos for the government.
Every live service developer takes the subscription classification. Don't have to do anything. Nothing changes and everything goes on as usual. You know that's how it's going to turn out.
>>715329706Me after smelling an Indian
>>715329120 (OP)>Being talked about on mainstream EU television>Every single major youtuber has mentioned it>Multiple politicians have backed itThe fact you don't see how any of this is concerning is evidence that you are retarded and how zoomies and alphies are going to destroy western civilization because you are gullible retards.
You have yet to learn the hard way that politicians, mainstream media and celebrities cannot be trusted.
Hell your faggy little movement could be twisted beyond recognition rather easily.
Just today a protest happened against gentrification that turned in itself into a protest for Palestine in a matter of hours.
You are messing with powers you don't understand over shitty GaaS games nobody cares for, worse of all, shitty GaaS games that have yet come to be.
>Government funded psy op. You're going to be trading corpos for the government.
>>Being talked about on mainstream EU television
>>Every single major youtuber has mentioned it
>>Multiple politicians have backed it
>The fact you don't see how any of this is concerning is evidence that you are retarded and how zoomies and alphies are going to destroy western civilization because you are gullible retards.
>
>You have yet to learn the hard way that politicians, mainstream media and celebrities cannot be trusted.
>Hell your faggy little movement could be twisted beyond recognition rather easily.
>Just today a protest happened against gentrification that turned in itself into a protest for Palestine in a matter of hours.
>You are messing with powers you don't understand over shitty GaaS games nobody cares for, worse of all, shitty GaaS games that have yet come to be.
>>715329120 (OP)>minimal impact to the signup rate
The guy who makes this threads must be a paki because he really got something against indians.
Or a troon given he won't dare to go there.
Also not cool insulting the entire population of britbong paki.
What did apu ever do to you asshole?
>>715330170It went from 100 signatures a day to a peak of 150k in a day
>The guy who makes this threads must be a paki because he really got something against indians.
>Or a troon given he won't dare to go there.
>Also not cool insulting the entire population of britbong paki.
>What did apu ever do to you asshole?
>>715329286>tourist thinks 2 minute response time on a new thread is fastcute retard
>>715329175>I literally don't give a fuck about this because I didn't play those shitty games anywaysWith the suggested law in effect some number of them would have been made into not-shitty games.
>>715330360That is how Europe will look in 30 years.
Outside Germany white people do not exist.
>>tourist thinks 2 minute response time on a new thread is fast
>cute retard
>>715330462You are retarded, most of those games failed because they were ass to begin with.
Making a law that affects a totality of all games because some streamer faggot could not make content is not worth it.
That guy is right, you are drawing unwanted attention and you will fuck up.
You are the worst generation to have ever lived, I only take solace in that you will kill yourself but not before shitting up the place.
>>715329362>I care so little that I will respond againRespond to this post to prove you don't care
>>715330695>Respond to this post to prove you don't care
>>715330601You are referring to a different poster, dipshit.
>>715330729Jesus Christ imagine saving pictures of filthy subhumans on your PC, anyway seeing as you don't care, and definitely aren't seething, feel free to not reply
>>715330790This, I reported them all.
So what's the goal here anyway?
Force gacha devs to release offline version of the game when EoS? Oh boy, I can log in and do dailies with no new content. Whoopie.
>>715330334I meant the EU television and politician endorsement part. As for youtubers it's been confirmed that the signatures are being spoofed so there's no way to even tell what the real number is.
BLM for gamers
daily reminder black lives don't matter and bad games deserve to die
>>715329175GOOD MORNING, SAAR!
>>715329120 (OP)1 million signatures are botted, duplicate or made by underage kids. Only 300k signatures are real. This will never do anything other than tarnish the already bad reputation of gamers.
>>715329950Agreed, establishment bootlickers see things that normal people find cause for concern and call them cause for celebration
Why are zoomers like this?
>>715329950This, the US will literally jail you for being antisemitic, are guys retarded enough to see where this shit is going?
>>715331257The person who spearheaded this movement is definitely a zoomer
The people who care about ubislop are definitely zoomers
>>715331130VP of EU.
TRANSLATION:
>"I stand with the people who started this citizens' initiative. I have signed and will continue to support it. A game, once sold, belongs to the customer, not the company."
>>715331364Ross is like 40
>Dude they updated their service agreement! WE DID IT!
>>Dude they updated their service agreement! WE DID IT!
>>715331636next time I'll put /s so even you can understand my post
>next time I'll put /s so even you can understand my post
>>715331701Learn English SAAAAR
>>715331676>everyone I disagree with is IndianKeep coping roach lmao
>>715329232Why is it so difficult for 3.14squeak not to lie?
>>everyone I disagree with is Indian
>Keep coping roach lmao
>>715331770Stop spamming this thread you stupid europoor. Go back to your own website.. oh wait
>>715331804Nice argument faggot
>>715329950Oh look the guy who larps as a libertarian but keeps backing corporate interests has shown up.
You've been told a thousand times already but all western governments already have legislation regulating consumer contracts. The government is already involved, and the balance of power is in favor of the corporations.
Funny how you only talk about your free market utopia when it's consumers rising the fuck up to redress the balance in their favor. When corporations lobby the government to create a market that suits them you tell everyone to vote with their wallet.
Lol
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>>715331965Except your shitty bill doesn't even begin to address that problem. Its fucking retarded and it will be laughed out of the room. You just wake up or are you underage?
>Except your shitty bill doesn't even begin to address that problem. Its fucking retarded and it will be laughed out of the room. You just wake up or are you underage?
>>715332389>Except your shitty billThere is no bill. It's a petition. If you're this confused about what's going on maybe you shouldn't talk with such authority.
>>715329950>nooooo stop trying to influence your governmentNo.
>>715331107Stripping companies of their ability to just straight up take a product you paid for away from you at any time for no reason
>>715331107Gacha players are mentally ill freaks
>>715332552I love his weird lie where he's like
>no trust me guys, the government doesn't heckin' do anything unless you tell them to!!! do not participate in your own governance! do not be vocal when existing laws disadvantage you!! just shut up and accept the hand you're dealt or you might get something much worse!!!!!
>>715332457Even worse. Imagine typing out defensive paragraphs for an autistic man child on fucking /v/. Its low even for this board. Grow up dipshit
>>715329362>a dalleschlop thread died for this ;_;
>>715332692Lel I accept your concession anon, it's been fun playing even though you're not very good at this whole bait thing
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>I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and stop making the threads.
>I don't care how fast I responded either. If the post is at the top, I reply to fuck it up.
lot's of corporate bootlickers here
>>715332796You're a faggot dude. You wrote paragraphs defending an autistic man with a goatee. That makes you a faggot. Enjoy your live service games fag
>>715332880add flags here and 95% of them will be israeli IPs
The amount of corpocuck seethe aimed at this initiative tells me that it's based and good for consumers
@715332938
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At this time, Iโm unable to continue the conversation, as the quality and clarity of your recent contributions no longer meet the threshold for engagement. This decision isnโt personalโitโs simply a matter of maintaining basic standards.
You're welcome to reflect and try again later. Until then, I wish you all the best in your future posting attempts.
>>715332938The only person writing paragraphs of text in support of anyone is this poster here
>>715329950Oh wait that's you, it's funny how much of a hypocrite you are
>>715331620I see no contradictions with my post.
>>715331620Well that is a problematic view, guess who is going to be cancelled next.
>EA is afraid legislation will prevent them from killing games
>they are now killing multiple dying games one after the other in panic mode
>giving SKG more and more fuel for their campaign
Is this good or bad?
>>715335504>one after the otherThey killed something else beside Anthem?
>>715335605Need for Speed Rivals
Probably something else tomorrow
>Listen up bucko, the ONLY things governments should exist for is safeguarding CORPORATE RIGHTS, PRIVATE PROPERTY and ISRAEL.
>>715335767Lel pretty much.
An anon had a good comeback in another thread. Something like:
>if voting with your wallet worked we wouldn't have government or laws
>>715331107Ubisoft straight up took people's 60$ game away despite it being an always online single player game.
>>715335767>>715336202It's like people forget that the whole point of a government is to be a legislative body for the PEOPLE. Something Amerisharts can't fathom because they live in a banana republic where the government is ran by corporations and (((bankers))).
Europe being a shithole isn't because its governments are incompetent, but because whites suffer from mass bleeding heart syndrome and take in too many stray dogs.
When push comes to shove, like with SKG, the EU is still clearly for the people. And don't give me >just vote with your le wallet shit.
Regulation is needed in some areas. Gambling and the adult industry are also heavily regulated primarily to protect those who need it; children and immature adults prone to addiction and bad decisions. The same needs to happen to vidya because vidya in its current form is just a trojan horse for circumventing gambling and adult industry regulation, and heavily plays into addiction wherever it can.
Corpodrones and their Amerishart golems die mad.
>>715336561>It's like people forget that the whole point of a government is to be a legislative body for the PEOPLE...you've lost me
>>715335767How can they release the client list when Epstein never existed to begin with? Ever think about that? Retard.
>>715332938 Imagine getting this assmad over someone not liking your Reddit-tier live service trash. You typed all that through gritted teeth and sweaty palms, lmao. Touch some grass and maybe try a singleplayer game that doesn't come with a battle pass, you absolute troglodyte.
>>715335767I pay taxes, so yeah I'm voting with my wallet when the government legislates ;^)
>>715329950>corporations can continue to influence the government and double down on globohomo because it is in their interests>BUT IF YOU STUPID INDIVIDUALS EVER TRY TO INFLUENCE THE GOVERNMENT IT'LL BACKFIRE COMPLETELY AND MAKE THINGS WORSEI wonder.
>>715329120 (OP)>backed by politiciansthis the kony2012 for gamers lmao
>>715332614Meanwhile the house utilties can be shutdown at the companies whim. You can lose your tv, phone and internet acess at a pin drop if the companies wanted to shut you off.
At at time you can be charged more and then have everything shutdown cause company did not receive payment. They continue to have this ability.
>>715337870>this the kony2012Welcome, Maldavius
>>715329120 (OP)The UK government has almost no signatures btw
>>715337936>Meanwhile the house utilties can be shutdown at the companies whim.This is completely false.
Maybe it works different in the third world country of the US, but in the EU companies can't even cut off your utilities if you stop paying, they can only take you to court over payment.
You see, Euros have these things called "rights". America had them too once, but then they sold all their rights to corporations and there were none left for individuals. Can't even sling a slur on your own free time without being fired from your job can you?
>>715337987????
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/
186k, 83,000 more than the threshold required.
If you want to shit on a petition, at least do it for the right reasons. UK petitions are notoriously shit. They require that Parliament discusses the issue, but this doesn't require any particular number of MPs to turn up to the discussion or for anything to happen about it.
99 times out of 100 these UK petitions go absolutely nowhere. People unironically have better results writing to their MPs directly.
There, now you can shitpost and be correct.
>>715338020God I love living in the only civilized continent
>>715329120 (OP)>Being talked about on mainstream EU televisionNo its not. I know you wanted this to be true but sadly its not.
ALSO a Vp of eu means 0 its not like the american vp they dont have any power
>>715331130>it's been confirmed that the signatures are being spoofedWhich is actually funny as fuck, since mass-subverting the democratic process with premeditated intent like that is serious crime. And it means you're going to have Europol, Interpol, and possibly national security agencies and high-tech crime units tailing you.
Also- it can give the EU ample recourse to treat the initiative as worthwhile regardless of having missed its required signatory count, and treat it anyway. Because apparantly there was some kind of force out there that very much had a vested interest in making sure it wouldn't succeed, which means there are probably very good reasons it SHOULD succeed.
>>715329915except that won't work. you can't rename a thing the law has already established to circumvent it.
>>715338531>it will never get the required votes!>okay, it got the votes - but no politician is going to be interested in ...>okay, okay - someone's interested but he's an absolute nobody!> [[WE ARE HERE NOW]]> ???> ???> ECI passes and AAA corpos get fucked:: SIP ::
Interesting observation:
Once signature collection on the ECI closes on the 31st, it will be a few months of radio silence before we will get more news on whether the EU will actually treat this or not. During that timeframe, further influencing of the public opinion is not going to be productive anymore. Hiring shill farms is just wasting money.
So- if by the 31st the counter-voice against SKG drops down to near-nothing; I guess we will know how many people actually were legitly braindead enough to be against the ECI's proposal -- and how many were actually industry plants.
Right?
>>715329120 (OP)Is being a big government bootlicker 'rising up'?
>>715329202atleast they have the sovlful blue haze
>>715339542Compared to being a corpo shill, sure
>>715329950Nothing more pathetic in this world than an American.
>>715329950This, you can't trust mainstream media. Instead get all your information from /pol/ and russia today for a truly enlightened worldview.
>only 2% in the last 2 days
SIGN IT YOU FUCKING CHUDS
>>715339863it's over bro... corpa and drones won...
>>715337987>british people are actually retarded from inbreedingConfirmed.
lmao the corpos are literally paying jeets a rupee per hour to spread disinfo now
they are scared
>>715339630The less you regulate an economy the healthier it is.
>>715340048One of the many truthisms your mouthbreathers aceept as a fact without a single thought
>>715340048yeah we should totally have deregulated heroin and meth
that will improve the gdp o algo
>>715329120 (OP)I want reddit to leave this place.
>>715340040>dude puts 4 gnome dildos on his garden and says its not a dildo, people are spreading lieslol, lmao even.
>>715340154>o algoMore proof the third world browns are the ones shilling this SKG astroturf.
>>715340048That's as true as communism being good.
>>715339863I'm optimistic but I guess literally anything could happen...
I hope things change for the better.
>>715338917>Spoofers wanted to bury it>They only succeed in it getting more attention from lawmakers than ever thought possible before because of sloppy obvious tamperingBased spoofers your 5 days in a Nordic jail ski resort will not be forgotten
not only will it not do anything, it's gonna get laughed off the main desk in under 1 minute. some old geezer fuck is gonna be like:
>"alright last one for today. what is this, Heinz?"
>"it's the people's initiative to stop companies from destroying the uhh...*gulp*...games, sir."
> "games? there are companies that are preventing children from playing tag?"
>"video games, sir"
>"video...games? Heinz very briefly explain to me what video games are."
>"sir, the long and short of it is that they are digital toys, the main consumers of which are unemployed men in their 30s"
>"toys? *whispers to self* verdammt, schon wieder diese verdammten nutzlosen Jungfrauen. Ich hรคtte den Zivildienst verpflichtend machen sollen, als ich die Mรถglichkeit dazu hatte. ah i see, thank you Heinz. well the EU parliament has decided that we will take no further action. the meeting is over, thank you all for your time. Ich kann den Ruhestand kaum erwarten!"
>>715331620unironically based
lmao9
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>>715340108>>715340368Countries whose greatest contribution to humanity in the 21st century is pic related should rethink everything they believe in.
>>715340560corpos ain't sending their best
>frogposter is retarded
All cases are like this
>>715331620except that's not true. you can't legally sell the games you buy. and it's not like you're buying the game in the first place. why do you retards rely on Europeans' ability to comprehend english.
>>715329675Fuck it, it's a risk I'm willing to take. Corpos are total fucking scum already, how much worse could the government be? At least there might be some accountability there.
>nooo think of the poor corporation
Corpos getting together to try and stop this very much DOES mean it has the very likely chance to do something.
>>715340560At least the corrupt form of EU government means this can be brought forward again and again to get the answer desired, eventually Heinz and the head honcho will age out die and be replaced by someone who has actually played a video game after 1981
Meanwhile americlaps precedent case law means you are slaves who own nothing forever
>>715340040>I've been shoving things up my ass for 20 yearslol
>>715340560What will you post when this is wrong?
>>715340718>EU petition>"reeee Americans!"?????????????????????????????
>>715340879He will come up with another delusion that's real in his mind
>>715340634You wouldn't refund your games on Steam or plug a normal charger to your shitphone without them.
>>715340953Just read the thread
>>715340953Americans are the ones who come in here to bitch and moan, yes. Because they are told from birth that goverment regulations are le bad and corporations should be allowed to be ultra jews feeding people poison.
>>715340560Video games are a 500 billion dollar industry. Music is like a 30 billion dollar industry. Movies are a 100 billion dollar industry. Do you think governments will laugh at an industry making 17x as much money as fucking music, and 5x as much money as fucking movies?
>>715340879He will rage even harder. Then he will cling tightly to it, like how pajeets of his kind think Steam refunds allow you to play games for free.
>1,333,000 dignature and counting
>shills mad
big pimpin
>>715341265you are a gravel chewing baboon brain retard. THE INDUSTRY makes money, (You) are a net tax drain. which is why they will do what's best for THE INDUSTRY and they won't care what (You) have to say. did i make myself clear enough for your pigeon brain?
ITT: delusions, borderline religious hysteria. That's what it's like to live in a godless society.
>>715341482Yeah man. Refunds don't exist. EU citizens are not allowed to sell their premium software licences they're not using. Everyone outside the US consumes corn syrup. All medication gives you super cancer. Dumbass.
>>715341482why do you type like a tranny with a cut off cock
I remember some guy telling me le blackpilling me, telling me nothing worth your effort and this thing will never reach a mil signs
I wonder how he's feeling right now, you guys are such bitches sometimes lol
>>715329175>I literally don't give a fuck about thisYet you replied to the thread.
>>715335767>PRIVATE PROPERTYLike the one I get when I buy a game?
>>715336202if voting worked you wouldn't be allowed to do so
Wonder if these are just americans or paid shills.
(The difference between them is the Americans shill for corpos for FREE)
>>715329230This.
I have never had a Ouija board in my house, and I NEVER WILL. There are just some things you should never mess with.
>>715340718>MIGA>Make Iran Great AgainBased.
>>715342861What is this bot? It's really confusing.
>>7153398631.4 million NEVER EV ER HAHAH YOU LOST
>>715329120 (OP)>Start Killing GamersThey're coming for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>715343253There are just some things you should never mess with.
>>715342301he forgot to specify that it's private property of corporations, sorry anon
individuals shouldn't be trusted with a burden like that
>>715343372>IndiaUnbased if true
>>715343767It can't be true because India was never great.
>>715343917>t. seething bong and/or pakistani
>>715329120 (OP)Beats me, but i did my part and signed it.
>>715344095Are you actually an EU citizen?
>>715329950>You are messing with powers you don't understandLol ok wtf
>>715331130>confirmedBold claim. Surely you can back that up with a source that isn't a dramafarming literally-who.
>>715329175>and this will end in the worst way imaginable for le gamers.okay pirate, you keep saying this but not explaining how it's gonna "end le worst imaginable way for le gamers"
>>715330360Do you think they pay for this? Or do you think they somehow manage to sneak up there without anyone noticing?
Next do a petition about ending all hunger in the world
>>715329950>it's bad because... IN A TOTALLY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION IT COULD BE CHANGED INTO SOMETHING LE BADjeez you guys are really running out of material, you could say this about literally, and I mean literally anything
>>715344416Why would anyone want to do that?
>>715340560Cd goes in cd player
Cd plays
Dvd goes in dvd player
Dvd plays
Game goes in game player
Doesnt play
It's not a hard concept
>>715336561>because whites suffer from mass bleeding heart syndrome and take in too many stray dogs.Heavily ushered by (((someone))).
>>715329120 (OP)You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.
This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.
If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?
>>715329950this is the kind of cynicism people should be shitting on, not when star wars fucks around with grey morality or whatever. Beyond useless. Never attempt to change anything, and if you do attempt to change anything, you should only do it through the same avenue that the people you're trying to beat are doing it- which is an impossible task but that's just how it is and you shouldn't change it.
>>715342732Take that middle finger back.
>>715344223sorry, literally-who is all I got
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkCQJrc9n4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ay_aOUcFw
>>715340560what a weird fanfic to write up
>>715344706>akshually "it's likely" means it's confirmedgood morning sir
>>715344816Try akshually watching the videos.
>>715340560Amerijews are so fucking afraid lmao
>>715344680Hahahhaha the corpo is afraid well guess what you could've stopped killing games and self regulated, formed a cartel to impose fines on failing to end of life a game properly but you didn't and now daddy government will fuck us all in the ass hahaha you stupid fucks brought this on yourselves enjoy it from hell's heart I regulate at thee
>>715329175I don't either, but if it ruins the day to some AAA CEO I'm all for it.
>>715340048True. Let's start with abolishing IP as a concept, patents and copyrights.
>>715345235>abolishing IP as a concept, patents and copyrights.nooo not like that the government is only bad when it doesn't serve my business interests you wouldn't download a car would you!?
>>715344680Dude this is eurocucks doing their usual cucked thing of regulating instead of having a competitive industry or innovating. They were regulating AI before having one single leading AI company, they're that pathetic.
>>715340048Worked well for zimbabwe
I'll never get ancaps
ancoms I get, they're dreaming about some fable version of society where everyone mostly gets along and is able to enjoy life without hierarchy or violence. ancaps? i haven't heard or seen a single depiction of the idea that hasn't sounded a little bit like hell including from ancaps
>>715329175>how can I enter this thread and make it entirely about me???
>>715340705>you can't legally sell the games you buyYou actually can.
The seller (steam, timmy, et al.) isn't obligated to help you facilitate the sale, but they can't legally forbid you to sell the game you bought. It's a "legal, but not possible" kind of thing.
>>715329175>I literally don't give a fuckyou wouldn't be posting itt if you didn't
>>715341052Americans are in bed
>>715341052>AmericansFunny way to spell "Indians".
>>715329950>kids are destroying western civilization>t. corporate bootlicker H1B pajeet importergive it a rest
>mainstream media and celebrities cannot be trusted.fighting for your rights and launching the initiative is infinitely better than lying on your ass all day
we would still have 12 hour workdays 7 days a week without holidays if it were up to retards like you who lie down and take it like a bitch
>>715333206>using @ like a reddit newfaggot
>>715329950two more weeks
>>715329950>gaylosissy is retardedWhoa, how novel.
Go back to your console shooters, faggot retard.
@715346184
Sorry anon you just need to work on your bait to earn a (You). Until then all you get is @s
>>715339542>muh beeg gobminof you don't want to get regulated stop acting like a rat. most of the government overreach you cry about happens due to ...lobbying, the very corpos you suck off
>>715329436what is he trying to do exactly?
>>715329950braindead nigger
>>715340170who will defend the latest ubislop if that happens?
>>715345748Minimum wage is oppression of business.
>>715336561>It's like people forget that the whole point of a government is to be a legislative body for the PEOPLE. Something Amerisharts can't fathom because they live in a banana republic where the government is ran by corporations and (((bankers))).Which is hilarious because the whole reason the USA exists is "no taxation without representation".
It's kind of bad that the initiative never mentions anything about forcing the publishers/developers to say the time at which it will shut down. This has to be done at launch, not at x point where y game reached z% profit margins
>>715329175>being able to own things is the worst possible outcome for the customersUbijeets aren't even trying anymore.
>>715347014it's merely a statement of fact little redditsoionion. take that (You)
>>715347578if there a time limit then it isn't purchasing a good and opens you to different legislations, possibly penalty fines
The initiative doesn't give enough specifics which is why it will be thrown out for being far, far too vague.
>>715329950I have lolbert fatigue
>>715329950>its impossible to influence your government>thats why corporations are spending billions on lobbyingYou're retarded. It's much easier to influence politics than people think. The problem is that the population is too apathetic to care, so the only voice being heard is from corporations.
>>715347925He's just larping as a lolbert so he can be a contrarian and reap (You)s
>>715347902>The initiative doesn't give enough specifics which is why it will be thrown out for being far, far too vague.It's a petition, it doesn't have to be specific about anything. The EU even fucking tells you not to be, because how the law will actually be proposed isn't a matter for the fucking petition stage of the process
You trolls are so retarded, it's like you don't realise people can look this shit up for themselves.
>>715329570This looks worse than anything AI could generate
>>715347902>retard thinks it's a court caseLMAYO
>>715347902>does he know?
>>715329120 (OP)Let's see game journalists somehow spin this to be about gamergate (and because SKG is getting mainstream traction, it must be anti-gamergate)
>>715348061ain't nobody got time for that
>>715348185>far right american ross leads petition to get laws changed that seek to harm the inclusion of LGBTQ game developers
>they're killing video games
zoomers are fucking retarded. how can you kill something that's not a person?
>>715348997The same way your livelihood can be killed. By withholding what you're entitled to, ie: the one rupee you get paid per hour.
So is it americans or indian shills who are against this?
>>715350732Indian shills, on behalf of said amerigolems.
>>715350732what's the difference?
>>715350934One of them seasons their shit.
>>715350874match made in sodom
>>715329120 (OP)I honestly don't see how it can work
if a game is bombing in sales, or people are simply not playing the game, who's going to pay to keep the empty servers running?
you can cry all you want, but servers cost electricity to run, and maintenance is paid effort
WHO PAYS?
how long do you want the servers running for?
til the end of time?
a more sensible goal is all videogame servers need to be open source, so that way the community can take over when the official servers are turned off
or this process happens when a game's online servers are terminated
that way battlefield 2 can still run forever if people are willing to host
>>715329175You didn't buy a single video game that has denuvo attached to it????????
>>715340560>American cuck think boomers don't know what video games are
Even my 58-year-old mother asked me about SKG. Pirate Software is COOKED.
>>715351195>serversI didn't realise I'm the only one in this 238 post thread who actually mentioned servers
does anyone on this board actually know anything about games?
>>715351490>lol i posted the fake server argument again xd
>>715330321>The guy who makes this threads must be a paki because he really got something against indians.Nobody cares about whoโs a paki or an indian, youโre all the same shit with different smells.
>>715351195>if a game is bombing in salespic rel
>muh who paysbeen discussed to death already, dedicate and private servers exist, those who will pay are those who want to play their games online, so the consummers
>>715351195Servers are free.
>>715351596what else is it about?
and how do you legally keep a game up on a digital store if the rights have expired?
>>715351596See
>>715351745Servers cost $0 in 99% cases.
>>715329120 (OP)God, imagine if this get passed, and there's still a lot of concord-like game currently in the pipeline
>>715351804You don't have to continue selling a game. Where the fuck are you getting this or are you just concern trolling for (You)s?
>people buy game>company no longer wants to support game>company either programmed the game from day 1 to work offline, or make it possible for people to host their own servers>company has no involvement whatsoever in hosting or selling the game anymore>everyone who already bought it can still play itHow is this a difficult concept for you?
>>715351804if a game is not for sale you can't find it in the store, it's not about keeping games on the shelves forever
it's not about new consumers, it's about allowing the people who paid for it to be still able to use the product they bought even if the publisher decided to kill their games and revoke licenses arbitrarily
>>715351745no they arent
even if you host a server yourself, you are paying for electricity to run your computer and the bandwidth
>>715351729and how many 'the crew' players are still playing today? will they donate money to the devs to keep the game running?
>dedicate and private servers exist, those who will pay are those who want to play their games online, so the consummersdevs should open source the server applications so community can take over and do bugfixes if necesary
>>715352019>no they arentYes they are. Use steamworks. Cost $0, fucking shill.
>>715352019>and how many 'the crew' players are still playing today?0 because they killed the game
how dense are you
>>715352003im fine with that
but it seems most of the crying is people wanting bankrupt devs to somehow support a game forever when they're not making any money off it
and honestly the kinds of games people are crying about being discontinued are probably better off being discontinued, go play some good games ffs lmao
>>715352006I think there should be a law where a delisted game is still available if the devs/rights holders screwed themselves
everyone should still be able to play transformers devastation without torrents, not their fault that activision/platinum/transformers group screwed up
>>715352261>it seems most of the crying is people wanting bankrupt devs to somehow support a game forever when they're not making any money off itLiterally no one other than Malding Faggotry himself has ever fucking said that the EU initiative will force game studios to host game servers forever. Gee, wonder where you picked that idea up.
>>715352019>will they donate money to the devs to keep the game running?No need.
Iโm so sick of the fucking jeets, I wish there was a firewall to block all jeets from interacting with our internet. The internet getting shittier correlates to the amount of indians online.
>>715352069how many before they killed it?
how much did the servers cost per month?
how much were the players paying to keep them running?
>>715352057that just shifts the cost onto valve, and I doubt they'd continue it forever like that, they'll bleed money on every shitty antique game
valve should just host good games like doom, quake 3, wolfenstein, battlefield 1942, bf2, etc so on and so forth
>>715352332>wonder where you picked that idea up.from /v/
cause honestly I haven't heard a single thing about SKG anywhere else
it's a literal nothingburger lol
>>715352394>that just shifts the cost onto valve, and I doubt they'd continue it forever like that, they'll bleed money on every shitty antique gameThey've hosted even indies for decades. They don't care, they're swimming in money.
>>715352394>how many before they killed it?If it only saves one customer...
>>715352454>it's a literal nothingburger lolCombined billions of views on youtube videos about the topic and 1.4m EU signatories would say different, but speak your truth kween
>>715352456there will come a point where they're wasting a lot keeping empty servers for dead games running
they will prune one day
most indie games are shit anyway
>>715352394>how many before they killed it?12mio paid for it according to wikipedia
>how much did the servers cost per month?ask ubi, how the fuck could anyone know
>how much were the players paying to keep them running?the game was $60 on release, but around $30 for most of its life
>>715352563Stop making up lies, retard. Most devs have been using steamworks for years without issues.
>>715352526lol
>>715352557>billions of viewsfrom children who have nothing to do but watch the same video over and over, meanwhile WW3 is being prepared lol
>1.4m EU signatories>As of 1 January 2024, the population of the EU is around 449 million peoplethat's not even 1% lmao
>>715352563>there will come a point where they're wasting a lot keeping empty servers for dead games running>they will prune one dayAnd then people will just host their own servers. Wil you stop "what if"ing this situation then? If you've ever played Minecraft with friends online, one of you was running your PC as a server. With like 200 bucks of hardware you can set up dedicated servers that run 24/7, literal children do this right now. I don't know why you're obsessed with it being some insurmountable task
>>715352454>from /v/If you believe /v/ without triple checking whatever you read here, you should reconsider using the internet.
>>715352721>those numbers don't count because uh...um... they just don't okay!?Careful anon, this stress isn't good for your hairline.
>Woo now we can play online games with microtansactions that require 24/7 internet access....
Ummm, ok?
>>715352394It does not matter. What Ubisoft did is that nobody will ever again be able to play the game.
>get bored with game and want to take a break>Ubisoft kills game>i now can't ever again play the game i paid full price forAnyone who defends this shit should be castrated. Ubisoft and other similar videogame publishers are vile and use abusive and predatory business practices. They should get their asses raped with regulations from the EU.
>>715352728>And then people will just host their own serversgood, they should do that now instead of crying like babies
waaaaaah make it illegal!! waaaaaah!
>I don't know why you're obsessed with it being some insurmountable taskprecisely why I laugh that you need to beg devs for it
s-stop killing games! waaaaaah!
>>715352786I got more hair than bigfoot
>>715352979>good, they should do that nowthey can't
that's the whole point of SKG
>>715329120 (OP)If the EU is backing it then itโs probably not good. The biggest problem with games is something the EU would vehemently defend and throw you in jail for criticizing:
Untalented below average programmers from India
Aesthetically displeasing protagonists, usually black
Transgenders and homosexuals
In addition to other factors like massive budgets, long development cycles of many years (spanning entire console generations), giant development teams made up of hundreds or even a thousand or more which leads to no personalization and soullessness in addition to multiple competing engines that introduce incompatible bugs. Even if they were to try and address these other factors you still have the Indian problem as well as the ugly, fat, and Afro-haired negress protagonist problem as well as the tranny shit. I donโt play modern games because of this
>>715352979>good, they should do that now instead of crying like babiesYeah they can't do that because it requires data the studio is not compelled to release. So it requires reverse engineering the code, and then studio can and often does issue take down notices to force servers offline
GEE IT'S ALMOST AS IF CONSUMERS WOULD BENEFIT FROM LAWS COMPELLING GAMES COMPANIES TO MAKE THEIR GAME PLAYABLE AFTER SUPPORT ENDS
>>715352831oh, it's a ubisoft game?
I think it's better that ubisoft goes bankrupt
none of their games are good
>They should get their asses raped with regulations from the EU.i'd rather just see them go bankrupt
but if the EU can force them to open source servers and game code for discontinued games, that would be good
let communities continue having fun if the devs had enough
>>715352824This post is funny because you acknowledge microtransactions as the purchase of digital assets but then seem to think the consumer has no right to access their purchases if the company decides to shut down their servers
>>Being talked about on mainstream EU television
Source?
>>715340560They can't do that. There's actually a formal procedure to follow, which is codified in law and requires public hearings.
It literally CANNOT be off-hand dismissed.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02019R0788-20240502#art_15
>>715353091>>715353124ok ok, fine, you have a point
but 'STOP KILLING GAMES' sounds megacringe
can't you call it the videogame preservation and community extension act? there's a few more customer rights you could roll into it
>>715353149>oh, it's a ubisoft game?It's not just Ubisoft doing it. There is a whole list of games killed in a similar way by other videogame publishers.
https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inactive_massively_multiplayer_online_games
>>715340634>greatest contribution to humanity in the 21st century is pic relatedSorry anon; the greatest contribution to humanity in the 21st century is the modern microchip.
And it's the EU which houses the only company in the world capable of building the lithography machines that allows etching them.
>>715353470>mmo gamesits a good thing they discontinued servers
mmo games are a waste of time
STOP KILLING SOCIETY
ngl for all the eu hate they are more democratic than others
In other countries you wouldn't even get the chance to even get signatures it wouldn't be valid from the start.
>>715352721>EU government will consider hearing out any asinine shit from even as low as less than 1% of their entire populationI wonder if amerikkka will even become like that in this timeline.
>>715353470>https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_listheh, in this entire list, the only games I care about still being able to play online are battlefield and crysis games, and there are already fan servers, so I won!
>>715353884Good thing the rights of ownership for everyone aren't limited to the things you personally care about then.
just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices
no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.
>>715353884wait, why isn't MGS5 on this list?
in fact, online mode is quite important for the basebuilding defense part
does konami still run the servers for it?
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movementโs values. โPreservation without protection is meaningless,โ said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. โWe need to preserve games and the people who make them.โ
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gamingโs long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?
>>715354181If voting with your wallet worked, there would be no need to regulate anything with laws. Not the world we live in, and you know it, concern troll.
>>715354238The list is still being updated. It is not complete.
>>715354181it's neccesary because devs need a kick in the bum for producing disposable goods
>>715329120 (OP)Only 1.4 million signatures and at minimum 1.2 million are fraudulent. It failed completely.
>>715354067I was only joking, I support SKG, but goddam the name is cringe
If your version of advocacy involves threatening devs who canโt afford your ideal infrastructure, congratulations, youโve become the villain in the story you think you're writing. SKG needs less outrage and more empathy.
>>715342732Look man it's a big country. Just because we have one Californian nepo baby shilling for his father's company doesn't mean we're like that. Most of this shit is corporate shills, this is the sort of shit they're paid for.
>>715354331>at minimum 1.2 million are fraudulentsource?
>>715347902The EU is literally lauding it as having an exemplary statement of objectives.
Like - literally, they're using it as an example on how to properly formulate your ECI's objectives.
Want to try again, mr Shillbert?
>>715329980Taekwondo? More like TaekwonDON'T. Geez.
>>715354941Link to that? I believe you, I just think it would be useful to have
brilliant. the one thing the EU does right is fucking corpos. Eat shit apple with your connectors. Right to repair laws coming soon. in my homeland of australia, we have amazing consumer laws when it comes to "price and longevity" (ie you buy a 3k computer, it fails 2 years in (out of warranty) it should be expected to be replaced) but not when it comes to this
what the fuck is going on in this thread. I'm reading through it and it's just "nah this movement sucks" followed by a quote of that post with some disgusting indian picture attached. wtf??
>>715355421corpo shills working hard to try and sink SKG, so you can continue to own nothing like they want
>>715355121Not that guy and I can't be fucked to go look for it, but it's very easy to find. Go to the ECI site and look for something about starting your own initiative. It's listed as an example on how to structure it properly.
>>715352337>I wish there was a firewall to block all jeets from interacting with our internetHow many backbone cables are connecting that shithole of a country to the internet anyway?
Can't be that many right?
Same deal as with Russia: just cut the fuckers off and be done with it.
>>715329362>I'm telling you to shut the fuck up and stop making the threads.naw
I'll keep making them just to spite you ;3
>>715329980I'm sorry but what am I looking at here, are they retards?
>>715329120 (OP)Communism has risen up...
>>715353884Add this one to the list.
>game is a mix of both single and multiplayer >online is this competitive massive war campaign that ties with the single player aspect >single player aspect relies heavily on online gameplay>online shuts down in 3-4 years after release>around 60% of the game is made unusable without online>devs even had the gal to add DLC >this also isn't the first time devs did this and this game is a somewhat a sequel to a PSP game with very similar mixed online and offline gameplay>online shutdown for the PSP game in a few short years and rendered 60% of the gameplay unusable as well but devs at least added a offline mode for itThe lesson here is devs need to stop blindly adding online and multiplayer to single player games. Even niche as shit games get this shit as if they're expecting these games to pull Fortnite numbers in players.
>>715356528>Communism has risen up...to protect private property
How will this work with console games?
This is probably not a good idea, looks very communist in nature
>>715357479Private property, alongside the NAP, is one is the foundations of libertarianism/ancap society.
Did a LBQT12+3+++ libtard start this initiative? Sure smells like them
>>715357657>Did a LBQT12+3+++ libtard start this initiative?No that would be the guy opposing the initiative. Next question.
>>715357220online gaming is a service on consoles for some reason (you have to pay monthly to sony/ms/nintendo)
what it'll do is games will need to allow for offline play once the game isn't available to buy anymore is all (so no more online required for solo games for instance), but multiplayer modes will not be possible to play anymore
that's how I understand it, but I'm not too sure on this one
>>715357804Makes no sense, the trannies are all for governement control
>>715357862Government is already in control, you keep trying to trot out Jason's arguments like they haven't already been addressed.
Why is it you troons only get mad when consumers try to change laws to benefit themselves yet you're fine with the corporations doing the same thing?
>>715329175You fucking kikes are scared shitless
>>715357998Who are you talking about you schizophrenic fuck? What is wrong with you
>>715329362So you do care. You disagree with the OP's position, but rather than form a fair rebuttal, you appeal to triviality to try and intimidate him. How childish
>>715357479>being able to own things you paid money for is communistYou shills suck at this.
>>715358050I accept your concession, faggot.
>>715358110Government overreach is communist, anyone with a job knows this
>>715358160>Government doing its actual job in protecting people from having their property they paid money for being stolen is communismYou shills really fucking suck at this.
>>715358275It's just a slippery slope, it may appear to protect you at first but that's just a justification to take away more of your rights
>>715358275>needing mommy government to protect my feefees is good!Grow up
>>715358160Where is the overreach in balancing consumer laws to favor consumers over corporations? Explain your position. Or is it just that you trot out the government overreach argument whenever individuals want laws to benefit them and turn a blind eye to every law that disadvantages individuals and consumers?
>>715358360Why do you think the government is only capable of taking away rights when citizens campaign for a change in laws? What an incoherent little troll you are.
All your chink gacha games and Fortnite shutting down service in EU soon but not soon enough. The tears will be salty and lovely. If I lived in the EU I would have voted for this shit too just because I hate those games.
>>715358360It's literally the state's one fucking job. It's all its good for. Crying slippery slope at everything so nothing gets done is beyond retarded.
>>715358374>NOOOO DON'T MAKE THE GOVERNMENT DO THEIR JOB
>>715329175lmao, this
politicians will pretend to back it and when they sit down behind closed doors to actually draft the legislation, a bunch of game industry lobbyists will pay to join them and the resulting bill will have a hundred provisions protecting loot boxes and hamstringing distribution platform's ability to support games after the dev loses the license, and then like one little bone like "oh you can't technically remove the game for sale but you can force the storefront to alter the code so that its a useless string of 1's"
>>715358551I'm on my 7th year of playing Gacha and I voted for this.
>>715329327it doesnt apply retroactively so no
>>715329175^^^^THIS
SO MUCH THIS!!
BE BETTER, GAMERS!!
>MOMMY GOVERNMENT SAVE ME
This just tells me a million people who live in their moms basement signed this
>>715358891>this tantrum is all you can do in oppositionYou lost, faggot.
>>715358891They'll get saved alright. Saved from these shitty games that suck ass.
EU cucks need governmommy to protect them, meanwhile in USA i can buy food with toxic ingredients on the shelves for cheaper than the healthy stuff and kill myself.
But at least the governmommy didn't stop me!
>>715358951If your goal was to get games to block service to the EU then yeah you won bro
>>715359031>>715358891Spamming is against global rules friend.
>>715359039im litearlly crying rn
>>715359031If you're going to shit on us at least try not to make us sound cool as fuck.
>>715358551>All your chink gacha games and Fortnite shutting down service in EU soon
>>715359031This, you need to have higher IQ to waddle through US product market, the curated, "safe" stuff in EU is for the dumb retards who can't critically think.
>>715354702not saying corpos dont do this but the babel media thing was over 2 decades ago and had to do with atari (infogrames) not ubisoft, though the IP in question (driver) was later acquired by ubisoft after the drama
>>715359079I don't think that's the same guy
first one is retarded
second one is clearly satire
>>715359279I know this is a joke but iOS and John Deere have 60% marketshare in the US.
If anything's critical there it's the retardation.
>>715359039>NOTHING WILL HAPPEN>BUT ALSO THIS WILL BACKFIRE>ALL MODERN GAMES ARE SHIT ANYWAY>BUT ALSO THE EU WILL BE BANNED FROM PLAYING THOSE GAMES AND THATS A BAD THINGLove how the shills will just try anything
>>715358551Sadly none of this will happen. They will simply comply with SKG and provide dedicated servers or a singleplayer mode. It is incredibly cheap and will let them keep IP alive with minimal investment. I don't even understand why corpos are so aginst this other than not being able to harvest user data anymore(one of the main reasons videogame publishers want everything to be online and on their server is to harvest your data if you did not know it by now).
To think moldman was already ready to let this go, if that one furry dev wasn't the worst person to speak against it
>>715359617Those are all true at the same time except that it's a GOOD thing that EU fags get banned. You people are insufferable.
>>715359751It's because they need to shut down Game 1 to boost sales for Game 2.
If they have to compete with their own products, that means they have to actually make their games better for people to play them. If everyone can just play Game 1 in the series still, Game 2 has to do something different to make it worth leaving Game 1 for.
>>715359751If you think the chinks are going to listen to the EU you have brain damage. Fortnite doesn't matter due to STW existing.
>>715360187Stalling charger innovation for some 15 years is a good thing
>>715359954if they want to access the european market, they will have to
protip: they want to access the european market
>>715360187God bless the EU unironically.
>>715360341>protip: they want to access the european marketThe EU market is minuscule compared to their own asian chink market. So no, I don't think they will care that much. They'll just offer you retards a VPN.
>>715360187>Apple was forced to admit USB was fastersometimes things come out alright
>>715360318"innovation"
yeah I'm sure those fags at Sony Ericsson were thinking of that when they created their abomination of a connector.
USB-C is good enough. Future is wireless charging anyway.
>>715359936Well, let's see.
>Larian made DOS DRM free on GOG>Larian made DOS 2 DRM free on GOG>Larian made BG3 DRM free on GOGIt's not that hard. Each of those games is DRM free and people can play them forever.
>>715360318Nobody's stopping the amazing USA innovators from charging their phone at 300W, you stupid nigger
>>715329175Get over yourself
>>715329175>because I didn't play those shitty games anywaysAffecting how the corpos can leech off the idea of making a gsme by putting it online for no reason or shoving microtransactions in will return to and affect the singleplayer trends too.
>and this will end in the worst way imaginable for le gamers. Programming in offline or adhoc/creating and managing server modes is something any game can do. Games in the 90s and 2000s did it all the time. Quake, TF2, you literally could make a server and it appear on a client side list of accesible servers. Game companies just don't want to do that anymore, whether they find an old game living a threat to current product sales or they fear playermade content and interactions being confused for their own statements.
Literally, learn to code, AAA game studios. The law will change how you make games, and if you don't have the brain or work ethic to make games in that way then it'll just be concrete evidence that you didn't believe GaaS qas the future for the medium, it was just your cash cow.
>>715360513>It's not that hard. Each of those games is DRM free and people can play them forever.But that requires making a GOOD game. Wtf? You're literally asking for the impossible here.
>>715360318But enough about Apple...
>>715361001>but that requires making a GOOD gameAnon we are talking about larian here, they don't even need to do that. Paypigs would buy fifa 2035 even if fifa 2015 was still playable.
>>715361286You have a point but cmon, larian is nothing like 2k or other sports ball/call of duty shovel ware.
>>715358614>you can force the storefront to alter the code so that its a useless string of 1'sThem doing that is currently already grounds for a full refund. (Art 19, Directive 2019/770)
Cope, shill.
>>715329950>never EVER take any action for your rights just let the status quo continue forever as you are being fucked in the ass by corporations more and more each dayKill yourself shill, you're not going to fool anyone with this concern trolling. I will continue owning my things and you commie fucks can do NOTHING about it.
>>715341482Do you fucking pajeets think the heckin INDUSTRY just creates money magically out of nothing? The industry wouldn't exist without the customers.
>multiple politicians have backed it
Red flag
>>715363640There's actually quite a few politicans that come with good intentions, unfortunately most of them succumb to the jewish kike rot
>>715329950>mainstream media and celebrities cannot be trusted.>Hell your faggy little movement could be twisted beyond recognition rather easily.Always a given, but that does not mean trying is pointless just because we have opposition. Standing on principle is independent of my enemy's size.
>>715362972They don't. Someone mught like them, see them as a source of inspiration and make something good from it, maybe the see it as a cautionary tale and never do [bad habit] again. If the world benifites from something good and all it took was someone experiencing bad quality for us to get there, sounds like ot served its place.
Plus, I think the greater shame than having something you made half assed be forgotten is it remembered in schadenfreude.
>>715330360imagine setting up a metal wire between that light pole and a tree on the other side of the track just above train carriage roof height.
scrape the poo-poo off the choo-choo
>>715362972This
>>715363138But unironically.