When does it get fun?

>>715346557 (OP)
It doesn't unless you know how to exploit the game

>>715346635
Teach us.

>>715346673
Can't I never learned so I dropped the game

>>715346557 (OP)
Depends if you follow some minmax guide or not. If you don't then leveling is fun and even if you don't farming endgame gear is fun (until you have it and quit)

>>715346635
I don't want to exploit or cheat. This is my first playthrough. Currently arrived at Burrwitch and the game is.... ehhhh. It exists. Gameplay is typical. Graphics are nothing to write home about. Story is pretty barebones. I don't get why ARPG fans praise it to high heavens.
Also
>you can't choose higher difficulties unless you finished the entire fucking game
is SUCH a retarded decision. The game is mind-numbingly easy because I am forced to play on the easiest difficulty. I literally just 2-hit kill everything

>>715346747
kek

>>715346972
>>you can't choose higher difficulties unless you finished the entire fucking game
Bro I promise it gets good after you finish the game twice. Normal mode is dogshit, elite mode is dogshit but if you suffer through it and unlock ultimate after 50 hours then I promise the game gets good.

How does this compare to Dark Alliance and FATE?

>>715346557 (OP)
on tiberium fields

>>715346557 (OP)
ARPGs are all slop
>click button
>collect shiny thing
>click button
>collect shiny thing
>click button
>collect shiny thing
>click button
>collect shiny thing
Great "gameplay" bro

What’s a fun combo with necromancer?

>>715347361
better than both those dogshit games.

>>715346557 (OP)
It doesn't, which is why people here tend to like it.

>>715346557 (OP)
It's a casual normalfaggot game for people who are too dumb to even play diablolikes, why did you even download it? I unironically suggest completely disregarding anyone who says they like it, it's one of those redflag games like elder scrolls and fallout.

>no slutty outfits
Lame

>>715348681
Based

>>715348430
>WHERE IS MY ROLL BUTTON!!
>MOM I CANT ROOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!

>>715348493
The Crow is really good. Get the lightning upgrade(s) for it and it one shots everything. I also have the wolf, he's okay.

>>715348430
Tossing a fucking coin has more gameplay than non action RPGs

>>715346972
>I don't get why ARPG fans praise it to high heavens
Lootclicker fans praise it
ARPG fans haven't touched this godforsaken genre ever since dark souls got popular

>>715349080
right here friendo
>>715348681
filtered
>>715346972
that's intentional, elite and ultimate are actually ball bustingly hard without devotions and reputation buffs
the entire first act is a cakewalk outside of the optional areas, the game gets palpably harder in a2 and actively punishing towards the end of a3
>>715348493
that hinges on your definition of fun

>>715346557 (OP)
It doesn't
Its a bland diablo 2 clone with nothing new to offer
even if you stick with it you'll keep spamming the same 3 abilities with every level up allowing you to do 1% more damage with them until you hit a wall that causes you to respec or grind some hyper specific gear for that wall
play Sacred Gold if you want a diabloclone with some neat stuff

>>715349080
You can dash, which is arguably the same mechanic

>>715349790
>>715349591
>moooooom why cant i dash 22254 time in a row!!!

>>715346557 (OP)
When you go back to Titan Quest from the uninspired Kickstarter ripoff

>>715346557 (OP)
Pay for the exp booster in the microtransaction shops so you're max level right away then the fun of theorycrafting builds that can push the limits begins.

>>715350997
titan quest is even more boring than grim yawn

When you install Grimleague

>>715346972
>don't get why ARPG fans praise it to high heavens.
Based anon from the twilight zone. No one seems to like grim dawn.

when you experiment with builds and play hardcore

>>715346557 (OP)
Never. It is dogshit for nostalgiafags and I say that as a 30+ gamer that loved Diablo. Any Hades clone out there is way better than Grim Dawn. So if you just like killing monsters and bosses, better play one of those. The game is insultingly bare bones even for a ARPG.

>>715346557 (OP)
Always early on for me. I tend to mostly do Normal runs then fizzle out except for a few 'mains' over the years. You'll get so many items for other builds that seem cool to try.
>>715348493
Depends on the angle you're going for. Summoner? Cold damage? Ranged or melee?

>>715353436
No wonder this is called grim yawn

>>715357117
They call it Yawn because it doesn't move that fast 24/7.

It depends. If you play ARPGs to make a build and then play it and see how it does and improve it, it'll start being fun after the initial levels, around the time you go to kill the warden. If you play ARPGs by looking up a guide and following that to the letter, you'll probably never like it or any non-online ARPG because the only pro to that kind of "gameplay" is showing off the gear and shit you farmed.

What sets this apart from other Diablo clones?

i stacked health regen and got bored at level 40
arpgs just aren't fun honestly

Grim Yawny

>>715357117
I got the joke and chuckled a bit, Anon.
Thank you.

>>715346557 (OP)
Furthest I got in this snoozefest was start of the first dlc and only because I was listening to podcasts while playing it.
It is insanely boring no matter if I do a melee build, ranged build, minion build, it doesn't matter, the game is boring the whole way through.
afaik the harder difficulties aren't even anything special, just enemies doing more damage and your resistances being lowered by default.
It's the gaming equivalent of a lobotomy.

I just want offline PoE, is that too much to ask? No, SSF doesn't count.

>>715348493
Occultist if you want more pet support
Soldier for Death Knight and nigh-immortality with vitality builds
Shaman for 2hander builds, with some support for pets with the totems and little tornadoes
Nightblade for cold builds

Necromancer has some good options.

>>715346972
I end up coming back to Grim Dawn more than other ARPGs I've played because it's pretty good with how all the class combinations can be viable to some extent as all the gear in the game can support SOME type of build with them. Likewise how Monster Infrequents and double rare greens ensure that most of the loot table is being used and the game doesn't become a Diablo 3 or Borderlands 3 problem where only the highest rarity gear is even considered for builds at all. The core gameplay is good enough that making all the builds and leveling them is enjoyable enough that I've got 6 different max level characters and they al reasonable play differently from each other.

I don't know what to tell you, I just like the game and come back to it as a kind of comfort game.

>>715346557 (OP)
Unironically never. Only good diablo like is diablo 2

>>715353436
>to unlock the best difficulty mode you have to FINISH the game in babys-first-ARPG difficulty (30-40 hours)
Who thought this was a good idea, seriously?

>picked ranged class
>its boring as fuck, no cool skills, weapon or armor
my fault or normal in this genre?

>>715361306
The story/setting is actually surprisingly unique with all the different factions.
Other than that, there is a dual class system, where you pick 2 out of 9 different classes which turn into a new one, which all play differently. That's 36 unique character classes.

>>715365184
Depends on which ranger you mean.
>Inquisitor
Absolutely abysmal early on in terms of actual ranged attacks. One of the easiest to level in terms of spells.
>Demolitionist
Numerically shit at first (ESPECIALLY Fire Strike), but improves hand over fist as you progress.
Ranged weapons are kinda weird in that the game is heavily biased towards melee or spellcasting and as such, ranged doesn't really exist at low-level.

>>715363983
>Only good diablo like is diablo 2
Look at this boomer

>>715365468
So it's like GW1?

>>715346557 (OP)
Celestial super bosses on ultimate, though I would argue that they are very challenging even on normal.
There's a massive jump in difficulty if you try to fight them unprepared, even on normal.
It's still the best Diablo clone if you want to play solo and not interact with other players.

>>715349450
Dark Souls is a WRPG not ARPG.

>>715368612
>WRPG
>Western RPG
ackshually it's a JRPG

Dark Souls is a dungeon crawler, you ignorami.

>>715365468
>The story/setting is actually surprisingly unique
I got like halfway through the main campaign before realizing it wasn't part of the Warhammer universe. I still liked it though.

>>715346557 (OP)
It shidded on Diablo 3 and it's always online BS, so I like it

>>715370832
>and it is always online
Grim Dawn is most definitely not always-online.

>>715371215
I know, I was talking about D3

>>715346557 (OP)
after you beat the game

>>715346557 (OP)
If you find out, let me know. I got it thinking it would be excellent or a solid second-monitor game at worst, and instead it was just insufferably dull on every level.

>>715370832
>>715371501
its = possessive form of it
it's = it is

>>715346557 (OP)
when you realise that it's NOT Diablo and therefore you are very intelligent and cultured for NOT playing Diablo

It's dark fantasy. Fun is Mario and so on.