I don't feel so good

>>715347092 (OP)
All the top comments are making the exact same shill arguments that get spammed here about MUH INDIES

Wtf?

>>715347092 (OP)
EU is communist? STOP THE PRESSES

>>715347134
What kind of indie game needs le impossible sunsetting ? Vast majority of multiplayer only indie games use P2P, listen servers, LAN modes, couch coop etc.

>Stop killing games.
I bet dollars to donuts he doesn't have a gog account and is using a steam account like the normie that he is.

>>715347134
>can't afford

Then don't make a game with shitty practices that you can't afford. Wow what a concept.

>>715347134
Thats fucking retarded. No indie game can afford custom networking solutions and dedicated servers or even paying for Azure or Amazons AWS lol. Like all multiplayer indie titles are P2P for a reason and at most use dedicated servers to store player data at most not to handle games in-game networking itself.

>>715347134
>american flag

YOU SIGNED THE TOS CHUD

THINK OF THE POOR BLACK BIPOC LGBTQ INDIES

>>715347134
>American flag
Every time. Why would they rather defend an intangible brand's rights over their own rights?
Incidentally, almost all indie games already offer what SKG wants, be it dedicated servers, P2P or offline mode, that argument is, and always has been, invalid.

>>715347134
If you can only be in business by swindling, fuck off.

>>715347753
Good
Fuck live service

>>715347134
they're trying to drive a wedge between two groups of little guys: consumers and indie devs in this case. standard zog tactics

>>715347134
>paid xitter account
>American flag
Every time.

>>715347753
I play indie games to get away from gross live-service pigswill.
Any indie dev sincerely trying to enter the live-service market deserves to go out of business desu.

most indies with multiplayer use Epic's servers

>>715347134
>>715347753
>indies making GaaS
The copes get more outlandish by the fucking day.

KILL ALL AMERICANS

>>715347092 (OP)
Uhh, the parliament is going to throw it out though?
>What's this, video games? These people need to touch grass. DENIED!

>Preparing server code for public release requires cleanup, documentation, and testing to ensure functionality. For large publishers, this could cost $10,000–$100,000+ per game, depending on code complexity and team size. Indie developers, with smaller teams, might face $5,000–$50,000 in labor costs

>>715347134
Oh my God, please smite amerishitland into ashes.

>>715347254
>What kind of indie game needs le impossible sunsetting ?
ENTER

>>715348732
Cool
They can also avoid all that by not building such crap

>>715348605
>corporate AI generated xitter accounts using nonsense arguments to garnish report for their side
truly a world we live in

>>715348732
>Preparing server code for public release requires cleanup, documentation, and testing to ensure functionality
You mean they have to do all the shit they're supposed to do when making a game?

ProCD, Inc. v. Zeidenberg (U.S., 1996) upheld the enforceability of End User License Agreements (EULAs), establishing that digital purchases (software, games, etc.) are licenses, not owned products. Consumers have no inherent right to perpetual access if the EULA allows termination of services.

>>715348605
It's unfortunately the only solution. Door to door and just massacring mutts one by one. It's the only way.

>>715348906
>US
Good thing the Israel slave state doesn't matter here

>>715348732
But how much is making the game itself? I assume the labor cost is based on something.

>>715348906
>U.S.

>>715348264
EoS is literally just like Steamworks but available directly from UE engine thats why. They use those for playerdata handling at most not to host their own servers for in-game networking because doing so and maintaining is expensive. Epic doesnt have server renting services or own datacenters even Fortnite is using Amazons AWS lmao.
https://eoshelp.epicgames.com/s/article/What-service-should-I-use-to-host-my-dedicated-servers?language=en_US

>>715347134
Is being a subhuman, subservient corporate golem slave simply in amerimutt DNA at this point? Serious question.

>>715348978
>Eurocucks who can't even own knives or ACs acting like they'll do shit

>>715348732
Lol no

>>715347092 (OP)
romaniaGODS win yet again..

>>715347134
How does this affect indies? Servers are free.

>>715349130
>unfairly hated

>>715349181
>first they were stealing your wallet
>know they're stealing hearts, minds and your 401k
Wew

>>715347249
It's not communist to say you own something when you buy it. It's far more communist to say you will own nothing and be happy.

>>715347134
>yankoid flag
>copypasted argument
Sus

>>715349147
>M-MUH PLASTIC FUNKO POP PISTOLS
Silence.

>>715349147
>knives
Thats only UK anon but you got a point with ACs.

>>715349251
Indies can't just sell perpetual licences to their experimental art-project "game" that gets killed on purpose after one year.

>>715348732
I don't remember this being an issue before.

>>715349147
>m-muh guns!
Waco.

>>715348672
Yes, I'm sure the pro-customer right Commission that's been actively fucking with the US tech industry, is going to ignore a sub-industry tied to it, particularly in a country increasingly consuming video games.

>>715348732
How do you can even make a game without some kind of testing environment, one you could then repurpose into an offline mode with minimal effort?

>>715349421
all those guns and they still let the politicians and other rich people rape and kill their kids
well at least they can use them to shoot some cans and watermelons

>>715348906
>U.S.

>>715349567
They will tackle this solely because they think its "young people thing" lmao. EU parliament old ass farts want to show they listen to young peoples initiatives and thats why they will tackle this.

>>715349749
Just admit you don't know shit about the EU.

>>715349130

>>715349130
>unfairly hated

>>715349749
The same way they did with lootbo- I mean surprise-mechanics? This will be interesting.

>>715349298
>know
saar

>>715349147
>who can't even own knives
Britain is a glorified American colony

If you sign a TOS that doesn't say they can take away your game arbitrarily, but then they later change the TOS, you refuse to sign the update, and they prohibit you from playing, despite already having a signed agreement to be able to play the game, can you take legal action?

>>715349130
>unfairly
Missing China and Russia althoughbeit.

>>715350148
In the EU? Yes.

>>715350148
TOS and EULA have been ruled to not be legally binding in the Europe so yes.

Why is there an irish language option on the Stop Killing Games petition? Only 70,000 people speak this as their main language.

>>715347092 (OP)
>Literal who VP trying justify his existence
Anyone else?

>>715350272
To get the widest possible audience? EU making it so? Why does it matter anyway?

>>715350272
Why wouldn't there be?

>>715348798
Can you limit it to games that will come out within the next decade?

>>715350272
Because Ireland is in EU. EU is not like America, its not a unified country.

>>715350272
You are already translating it to other languages, it takes like two seconds to plug in any other language pack too.

>>715350610
>>715350682
Nobody speaks Irish in Ireland

>>715350738
Slan go Foick yourself.

Idiots. For them it's not about video games, it's about fucking with US companies.

I'm so ashamed of my fellow Americans rn

>>715347092 (OP)
GAMERS WON
COPE AND SEETHE BOOTLICKERS

>>715350881
I'm okay with this.

>>715347753
>The TOS can change at any time, for any reason :^)
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!

>>715349650
You don't. It's a bad faith argument only intended to mislead.

>>715347134
>>715347753
I play almost exclusively indie games because today's AAA slop is absolute garbage and not a single one of them would be affected by this legislation in any way. Where are these idiots getting this idea from?

>>715350881
Based EU

>>715350881
I only signed it, you don't need to convince me further.

>>715350881
If only I could sign it twice.

>>715347134
For the same reasons why censorship and policies aiming to hurt and opress the average guy are justified with "THINK OF LE CHILDREN/MINORITIES"

>>715349147
You instantly fall into blind terror at the idea of encouraging public transport and making walkable cities because you can't comprehend the idea of a place not populated by niggers.

>>715347753
The EU is just making a TOS for sales, if you don't want to accept the TOS, then don't sell in the EU

>>715347753
>TOS
ruh roh!

>>715350881
and how does that affect me?

>>715348605
>being against something so objectively good all you can do is lie and bullshit
Never has it been easier to spot corpo drones.

>>715349650
Every online service has an offline version running in the office since, as you said, debugging would be impossible. It's all just bullshit they keep pulling out of their ass to protect their ability to terminate the service whenever they want.
And now seeing EU officials already supporting it before it's even in parliament must set their asses on nuclear fire.

>corpos are paying shills to attack stopkillinggames
funny

>>715350272
>he's still assmad about the potatoes having a language of their own
Shalom

>>715352802
Stop Killing Games
Start killing publishers

>>715352802
If stop killing games succeeds they will no longer be able to scam people by renting them games they can't even play without internet access only to shut them down and tell people they will have to buy the same game again full price as a "sequel", also always online

>>715350738
>tea stained fingers typed this post

You will hand over the server binary or got to jail shartman

>>715352802
>even casual use of the word corpo is making them uneasy now
Lul
Lmoa

>>715347092 (OP)
it's amusing how much of an easy and bipartisan proposal "don't let companies burn their customers' belongings on a whim" is

>>715347092 (OP)
Aren't there 15 different Vice Presidents and they don't have any power?

>>715353013
Americans cannot escape the left-right brainrot

>>715352391
>mfw the corporate gestapo break into my house to destroy all my copies of Super Mario Bros

>>715353009

>>715353009
kek

I don't even understand how "I want games to not die" is a controversial statement. It's like arguing against "Water is good for you" to me.

>>715347134
he's right. and none of this would even be an issue if retards didn't buy live-service ubislop in the first place

>>715353275
it's not "I want games not to die", it's the "I want remote destruction of property to be legislated as crime" implication that it will bring down the line

Pirate Trannyware lost.
BasedFarms won.

>>715347134
The corpos are afraid. They are trying to hide behind muh indies because they know that will get some pity points from uninformed normalfags.

>>715353275
Oh so you're saying everyone has to drink water all the time? How do you think this is going to affect the juice industry? You think freshly squeezed oranges are bad now? You want to ban people selling fruit?? How can anyone support you?

>>715353275
the american goycattle has been trained to identify with corporations so they view any attack on corpos as an attack on their own self

>>715347249
Why the fuck is the image compressed so badly, did convert it to gif earlier lol
Can you streetshitting jeets on Ubishit dime not even edit an image properly?

>>715347134
>ah yes small indie studios who run live service games
>such as ea, ubisoft and capcom

>>715350148
Only in first world countries.

>>715347753
>Face mask in profile picture long after Covid
What a Spastic.

>>715353081
Anon, what planet do you live on? Are you new to /v/? This has already happened with other gaming mediums. SONY and NINTENDO are already bricking people's consoles. Corporations are evil.

>>715353634
>the american goycattle
i would say every retard who was born after 2000 did
remember that pic i can't find
>turn fans into fanatics and bla bla bla

>>715353009
Consumer rights are America's kryptonite.

>>715353720
There's no way agents from a corporation can legally come into your house and take your things though right? They must have scared that guy into giving them the cards back I assume. There's no way the US doesn't have laws against that sort of thing.

>>715347249
>Owning things you buy is... communism
uhm... wuh

>>715353009
based

>>715347092 (OP)
How the fuck do you read that name?

SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>715353847
They roughed him up. Corporate thuggery and unpunished corporate overreach are rampant in the USA. They are speedrunning towards the Cyberpunk 2077 dystopia.

>>715353938
with your eyes

>>715353081
>say words
>life stolen

>>715354042
good morning corpo

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>715353764
>when you find yourself living in the techno feudalism era

>>715347249
>a free trade agreement between imperialist capitalist states is...le communist

>>715347753
>>715347134
I don't understand the indie dev argument. those games are all p2p to begin with. there literally isn't an always online live service indie game. does not exist.

>>715354207
BUT THERE COULD BE!!!

>>715347753
>TOS states they can remove your purchase for ANY reason.
absurd levels of power

>>715354042
>>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups
well thank for convincing me to sign it

>>715354207
dark and darker and some other extractor slops

>>715349130
>india

>>715354116
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

>>715354314
>queer, autistic, dyspraxic

>>715354207
There is no argument, it's literally just corpo shills lying.

AMERICANS ARE OBSESSSSSSSED WITH EU

>>715354042
is there a single indie GaaS?
I guess shitty phone games count but nobody gives a damn about them

>>715354365
flash games were free 25 years ago
99.9% indies are shit that should be in some shit flash page

>>715347134
we all know live service slop is basically synonymous with indie games. AAA studios? huh? they only make complete offline-only single player games of course!

>>715347092 (OP)
Anyone want to think about AI games, NFTs, and gachas?

>>715354365
which indie game would be affected?

>>715348732
>my source is that I made it the fuck up!

>>715354116
because that fat faggot Null hitched his tardwagon to the whole thing to try and get clout

>>715354516
I wish I could dl this but I'm anti ai

Notice how all the rage is aimed at small queer and POC developers, while big publishers slide by untouched? If SKG really cared about fairness, they’d start by challenging corporate silence, not destroying indie careers.

>>715347092 (OP)
>Nicolae Stefanuta
based. I actually voted for this guy and he barely made it in since he ran as an independent and had to get 3% on his own.

>>715353081

>>715350881
For amerimutts, the concept of governments defending them from the corpos is so alien, that they start to defend the corpos by themselves.

Keep licking boots.

>>715354586
Sad ;_;

>>715353847
>They must have scared that guy into giving them the cards back I assume.
That's pretty much it, Wizards hired the Pinkertons to go threaten him and take the cards

Wild how 'facts over feelings' turns into full-blown tantrums when someone critiques SKG. You guys good?

>tfw this shit can utterly fuck adobe and their jewish practives

>>715354592
See: >>715354529

>>715355026
why are gamers rising up about this stuff, when the graphics design software world has been doing worse shit for a lot longer and gotten away with it every time

>>715354207
Spellbreak was one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spellbreak

They released private servers when they were bought out by Blizzard and shut the game down

>>715350738
>noiboidey spoikes dee oirosih lauigneuiage
fuck off, anglo

>>715347092 (OP)
Ask him how he voted during Ursula's no-confidence vote.

>>715349130
Americans are racially liberal to the point where they are incapable of not worshiping corporations

just release self hosting tools for service games past it's end of life?
>all this gaslighting about indie games when none of them are GaS shit

>>715349749
It is a young people thing but fucking with tech firms is on the agenda.

>>715354314
what the fuck am i reading

What percentage of big budget games made by big corporations like EA and their studios are live service or always online?
And what percentage of indie games are always online or live service? Once this is answered I may entertain the argument that indies will be hurt by this.

The reason why SKG has so many opponents is because Nintendo just released a console with Gamekey cards and console bricking terms.
/v/ is nintendo fan central so of course they must hate this.

>>715348732
Private servers for games, even currently active games, already exist. When did Blizzard publicly release all that information for WoW? Oh yeah, they didn't.

>>715347134
Indie devs shouldn't have any issue with letting people make their own servers, they already most do that now. Because the reason why AAA don't allow it anymore is they want to monitor and control your speech to other players. Its making these hooknoses seethe that players will gain back freedom of speech if they gain back control of their own servers.

>>715355329
>The reason why SKG has so many opponents is because...

... the circlejerk opinion on 4chan is that EU is a bad institution, therefore anything they do must be bad.
The average /pol/tard will work against his personal interests, as long as it triggers da libs xD

>>715347249
You have this a bit inversed. We want to own the games, and be happy. Communists want us to own nothing.

>>715355091
Because most people who use graphic design software are faggots who would buy a adobe bodypillow.

>>715347249
>NOOO don't bully these big daddy corpos to actually take responsibility after they fuck my ass and knock me up!!! please think of their profits T_T

>>715355026
Can it?
Adobe has a very straightforward model:
>you rent a license
>it costs X money
>it lasts Y months
>X and Y are disclosed on the product page
>when your license runs out, you can't use the product online

>>715355270
Tranny actually wants SKG but then saw that Chud supports SKG before “she” did and now has to oppose SKG.

>>715355091
>Implying this will not be the puncture point through which the licensing faggotry gets shattered
Adobe will be next, unless by some incredible miracle the hearing on SKG extends the law to all software.

>>715354365
You are just a tranny who has serious comprehension issues, if you think that it was asked an endless support.

Retards like you should just get euthanized, instead to be allowed to waste the resources of our planet.

>>715354314
>autistic
>they/them
>dyspraxic
>trans flags
This is a living defect. Of course it's wrong. I miss the times when we would just get rid of these tax money wasters.

>>715354207
Yeah there aren't any.
Also really how likely you are to hit the exact point where you have just enough money to run a central server vital to the operation of the game and just not enough to design it in a way it can work without it is anyway. That's a really specific place to be in and I doubt anyone is actually there.
At worst the only "indie" games it would kill is scam NFT games and that's really just a bonus feature, not a drawback.

americans and europeans in unity, you love to see it

trademark dispute?
clearing space for releasing competing product?
preparing to sell an "enhanced edition"?

>>715355270
When the wrong person says the right thing, the right things becomes wrong.

>>715355630
So we’re cool with bullying marginalized devs into lifelong unpaid support gigs now? SKG really said 'preserve the game, destroy the person behind it.'

>>715347134
What fuckng indie game makes online live service games in the first place? Nearly all indieshit are metroidvanias.

>>715355749
https://store.steampowered.com/app/567380/Heartbound/

>>715355610
>implying they will allow it to get that far
Ross is on borrowed time if this whole affair escalates any further.

>>715354116
>Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?
Because it’s going to die like Gamergate. You retards have no leadership or gameplan, retreading the exact same path to demise like what happened to GG.
Railing Piratsoftware like he’s the Zoe Quinn of the story is really concerning for GG veterans that can forebode what will happen a mile away

>>715347753
Imagine believing yourself to be some cool guy rebel your entire life

and then you end up defending corporate Terms of Service agreements one day
KWAB

>>715347249
>communism is owners rights now
>corpo-KEKS keep on licking them boots
I think these """"people"""" think everyone else is stupider than THEY think they are
oh they have a world of hurt coming for them

>>715355749
"Live service" means a product that is sold barebones, with the promise of continuous updates for a long time.
So, Terraria, Minecraft, Dead Cells, etc, fit the bill.

It doesn't require being always online, that's just what AAA+++++s do.

>>715354678
>The corporate greed is so strong they cant even spend a dime to give their enforcers good breach tools

>>715347753
>YOU SIGNED THE TOS CHUD

No no no. I never agreed to the new TOS. I only agreed to the first one. Not every updated TOS you shit out after the first one.

>>715355329
we weren't against this till yesterday some twitter-retard thread mentioned something about corpos buying people to attack SKG

>>715355738

>>715355517
The only thing it would do is force Adobe to make it explicitly clear to customers they are only buying a license and that the product they're using has an expiration date after which it will be completely unusable. They're already kind of doing that since they discontinued "perpetual" licenses a while ago and every piece of software they sell now phones home to make sure you're being a good boy.

>>715354570
>loli site asks people to sign
:)
>evil swede that said n word asks people to sign
:)
>american evil website owner asks people to sign
:(

>>715347092 (OP)
Gamers always win

>>715355812
Ross only cares about games. He stated that whether this fails or not - he's done, so whatever comes next is out of his hands.
The fire is already burning too bright to kill the torchbearer.

>>715348605
why do americans hate net neutrality?

>>715354042
Too bad I can only sign it once.

>>715354678
Didn't know that McDonalds had their own police force

>>715348732
Complete lie. Actual complete lie. I'm working on an indie game with a server for matchmaking and gameplay (currently hosted on my PC) and a backend for profile data etc. hosted on basically any cloud service (or your own PC, it's just SQL and PhP)

It would take me like... what, one hour? to wrap up the server in a distributed .zip, and another hour to write a guide on how to run the backend if anyone wants to do it themselves. The most "clean up" would be changing the secret keys that encrypt user data like passwords and such, just to be safe that if data has ever leaked it can't be read easily anymore.

Like literally under a day I could do all of what the greentext describes as a solo person. How does this translate to "$5,000-$50,000 in labor costs"? Are game developers this ineffective or should I ask for this sort of salary per month when I apply for a job? Whoever wrote this is genuinely just straight up lying in bad faith.

>>715347092 (OP)
why does he look like zelensky?

>>715355793
Oh sooooo thats why Pirate Software was bitching hard about this movement

>>715355908
Hello shill. You fucks have been spamming for a year already. Kindly remove the cock from your ass and mouth and kill yourself.

>>715348906
Case C-410/19 (ECLI:EU:C:2021:742) ruled 2021-09-16 had the European Court of Justice reaffirm that software accompanied by a perpetual license is deemed sale of goods; a repeat of what was earlier established with Case C-128/11 (ECLI:EU:C:2012:407) on 2012-07-03, aka the prejudicial ruling for Usedsoft vs Oracle.

Videogames are goods in the EU.
Get fucked, shill.

>>715356137
he doesn't you are face blind

>>715350881
holy based EU

vote with your wallet

>>715347092 (OP)
Communism really is taking over..

>>715355793
That has been debunked already several times, there's no online DRM in this shovelware, nor his "Uncrackable" achievement bullshit because that was a different game of his.

Im all for shitting on Jason, but lets not drown in headcanon - there's enough true garbage with proofs to dig through already. HB is just unfinished vaporwave bullshit.

nobody is forcing you to buy these stupid wet dogshit games

>>715353009
XDDDD

>>715353009
that's going too far. I think people just want private servers once the game is dead. like everquest or wow

>>715356259
>Usedsoft
Bad example to give, especially since Usedsoft lost the court case. You can't resell the licence without the permission of the initial seller.

>>715347249
Are you genuinely falling for boomer-tier red scare, or are you shilling for free?

>>715356631
ubishit doesn't have any good games anyway, unless you count the games they acquired like homm3

>>715356507
>there's no online DRM in this shovelware, nor his "Uncrackable" achievement bullshit
1. The only way to save your progress is through Steam achievements.
2. The only way to get Steam achievements is through being online on Steam, validating your purcahase.
3. This is an always-online DRM system.

>>715355120
Okay who speaks Irish? Last time I checked Ireland speaks english

>>715356230
>shill
>you fucks have been spamming for a year
this is the first SKG thread i've visited
so take your meds corporate drone

>>715352769
I would actually be all for a waiver for companies that can illustrate they have a game architecture that really cannot practically be turned into a consumer-grade self-hostable server. Here's the rub though: under notary supervision, and audited by accredited external firms who are experts in the field.
Which will also give ample opportunity to verify whether those server architectures hold up to scrutiny when tested for the demands on the GDPR and the Cyber Resilience Act.
Let's see how many 'big boy' triple-A developers and publishers are actually capable of holding up their own pants - and let's see which ones get to burn, shall we?

>>715356801
Ireland got colonized by wankers, but they still want to preserve their language, and teh EU is helping them. I am not sorry for the EU being an anti-anglo institution, which helps preserve European national cultures.

>>715356809
>fist skg
are you new to the internet? go back to plebbit faggot

>>715354314
The American "leftists" is the most psyoped being on Earth, utterly inhuman and totally dependent on Bourgeoise ideology. They are, as the Jews put it, the ultimate Goyum - They worship all aspects of Judaic, degenerate and Bourgeoise tradition, while despising their own existence and people

>>715356903
>fist skg
>can't copy/paste
>can't quote
>asking if i'm new to the internet

>>715350272
Every country in the EU gets to pick a language as their official language and Ireland picked Irish.

>>715353614
Fruit juice is 60-80% water.

>>715356121

>>715349147
I'm slavic and legally own an AK (Arsena btwl)

>>715357180
blocked

>>715354207
It's simple. They are lying. They will claim any doomsday scenario just to shutdown the discussion. They really are hoping everyone is tech illiterate enough to think there's no such thing as physical copies of software anymore. There's one problem though. A good chunk of gamers are 30+ dudes who remember using catridges and CDs for their generation 4 and 5 consoles.

>>715355738
>someone gets criticized for having text comprehension
>another idiot (or maybe the same one) replies with the same argument that shows they have no text comprehension
The sad thing is that you are a retard who thinks to be smart...

>>715357048
skg threads have been around for years. we even warned you about gaas games and to not buy them because it's a slippery slope

>>715356779
>He immediately parrots the same bullshit i was talking about in the post above
No you illiterate retard, HB does not use achievements to save progress. That was Champions of breakfast, and anon above specifically linked HB.
HB just uses Steam DRM and thats it. You can open it offline no problem and the save file is just a file.

>>715355270
Tribalism shutting down thinking.

>>715354116
Personally, this whole think has more like a occupy wall street vibe.

>>715354261
>law says that type of term in unenforceable.
Luckily for consumers, where it concerns powerlevel wankery the EU legislative framework carries a bigger stick than fucking golden-age Superman.

>>715347092 (OP)
God it makes me happy to see corpofags rammed in the ass.

>>715357241
>it came to me in a fever dream

>>715357518
Which makes sense as to why "certain individuals" are trying to make it about gay people

>>715357518
that movement would have worked if the government didn't plant all those faggots and feminists

>>715354652
>he ran as an independent and had to get 3% on his own
Damn. Those are actually insane numbers to be able to get on your own.
Much respect for the guy.

Eurolads we need to push harder, just a little more

>>715355517
>Rent their application for an exorbitant price
>Have to pay an extortionate cancellation fee if you want to stop having access to their tools

>>715357518
Stop noticing the patterns

>>715357450
and this is the first one i've visited
just like the dall threads have been around for years and i've entered 3 times

>>715357662
keep up the good fight, but start with your wallets

>>715357753
the AI threads?

>>715347092 (OP)
>Sony's Games as a service initiative is flopping
>maybe one day they'll have a hit
>the EU will force them to make private servers available within their first week of success
Lmao those guys can't take a breath, I guess they'll have to remake remaster complete edition directors cut extreme The Trans of US II again to recoup some cash

>>715357793
Sony is stupid as fuck why do you think they left Japan? nobody likes them there a trash company

>>715357785
yeah
current one is called dall. thats how much attention i paid

>bird shit building

>SKG acts as a springboard for more legislation to get passed in other countries
>mfw gamers are the ones to finally get corporate cock out of everyone's asses just because they wanted access to their bing bings
I knew our autism would come in handy one day

>>715349147
You can own knives.
You can have ACs, but in past you didn't really need them that much. Weather has been getting hotter every year.

>>715354570
Isn't Null busy seething about Vtubers? Dude was having a drunk crash out in his 4th of July stream because of Gura/Saba

>>715358020
that was god fapping

>>715348798
It's single player though

>>715358093
>Weather has been getting hotter every year.
go back to watch more propaganda retard

Why does this entity make americans and russians so incredibly mad?

>>715358131
For someone who seethes about vtubers he sure was happy to set up a board specially for vtuber fans

>>715347134
>All the top comments are making the exact same shill arguments that get spammed here about MUH INDIES
>Wtf?
Smaller studios aren't even at risk here because they release the game and you "own" it as much as you can own a digital game.

>>715357518

>>715349147
>Americans are so proud of their guns
>Right now their president is knowingly hiding evidence of him and the whole American elite being pedos and participating in sex trafficking
>Proud Americans who bear arms to "keep government corruption in check" do literally nothing
>Literally
>Nothing
>Some even defend the president for not realizing list of rich elite pedophiles
You can't make this shit up.

>>715347249

>>715358256
americans agree with it tho? anybody in the country that doesn't isn't an american simple as

>>715358256
>Here he comes bringing up Russia out of nowhere again

uh oh one vatnik already got mad

>>715356631
>Usedsoft lost the court case

Wrong. They were forced to drop the case at the lower courts in Germany, because Adobe knew they couldn't win, so they changed tactics to stretch out the case until Usedsoft ran out of money and would be forced to drop it. Which is exactly what happened. The actual prejudicial ruling by the EU Court of Justice is separate from the case at those lower courts and continues to stand.

>You can't resell the licence without the permission of the initial seller.
Also wrong. The prejudicial ruling for Usedsoft vs Oracle established that the distributors rights are exhausted at first sale and the first owner of the copy has a legal right to resell, provided they can prove they have exhausted their own rights by destroying all remaining backup copies and active installations in their possession, prior to sale.

>>715358339
>Right now their president is knowingly hiding evidence of him and the whole American elite being pedos and participating in sex trafficking
As has been the case for the last twenty years, if not longer.
Nothing Ever Happens.

>>715350162
They're pretty fairly hated

>>715353720
lmao full text?

>>715347092 (OP)
>EU doing something good
>a romanian no less
What a time. They're still committing complete culture suicide but this is at least one win, I guess. EU always had better consumer protection laws than the US goy-cattle.

>>715347134
good, indies are already creatively bankrupt as it is. Why the fuck would you support them going full jew with their games

>>715347134
>>715347249
These threads showing how many lolbertarians are out there got worrying

>>715357793
The Dutch are currently suing Sony for monopolistic pricing abuse.
And the wording they're using is angling for opening up the PlayStation platform to third-party storefronts, similar to Epic vs Apple.
Except, with the Netherlands being in the EU and the EU having the Digital Markets Act - they might actually GET IT. And Sony might be forced to open up the PlayStation platform to third party storefronts and sideloading in the EU region.

>>715358227
But it has been getting hotter overall over here. I'm sorry but it's true.

>>715350738
Just like their English neighbors, Arabic is now their main language.

>>715358465
Yeah but now you have evidence in hand but nobody does anything.
Like why even have guns if all people do is shoot each other and never dares to point them at the corrupt government.

>>715358462
>provided they can prove they have exhausted their own rights by destroying all remaining backup copies and active installations in their possession, prior to sale.
Since this is pretty much impossible to prove, it's equivalent to being unable to resell.

>>715347249
I hate communism as much as the next guy but this shit is gay and retarded.

>>715358765
sounds like a you problem to me
i haven't used a fan in a few years during summer

>>715358980
>Gran Canaria
you're already rich for living on those islands

>>715358980
Spain has their summer in February?

>>715358190
Maybe so but THOR explained that it requires a special form of advanced DRM that would be too difficult to remove now that he invented it, he estimates at least $800000USD of work would be needed to even begin removing it.
It just checks if you're connected to Steam, something people have long since been able to dupe by changing a line of code.

>>715359084
it was the first pic that showed more than a single year
i'm sure that spike is during carnival when we are all on the streets partying and always rains that day

>>715359084
the Canary archipelago is in Africa

>>715356874
Considering nobody in ireland speaks irish they clearly aren't doing a good job at preserving it

>>715350272
Wait till he learns that the EU has 3 offical scripts with variations.
>>715350261
That does not stop corporations for abusing consumers who are not equipped to fight them in court. The EU should really start shitting on Nintedo and Snoty for remote bricking of consoles.

>>715348732
>>Preparing server code for public release requires cleanup, documentation, and testing to ensure functionality.
these things should be done before the launch already.

>>715358980
Yes because a small tropical island 1500km from continental urp is a representative. It belons to spain but it's in fucking africa

>>715359073
i can go to the beach pretty much every day if i want so i guess
my father told me a story. when we were kids some friends went to the beach during the day, and at night they went to see the snow

>>715358980
Well yes, it is a problem to me because I live in Finland and temperatures have been going upwards constantly.

>>715359190
Don't you have any weather site there to see historical weather data?

>>715347092 (OP)
He shouldn't be able to do that. That's textbook conflict of interest. Should hust thriw the whole thing out, now.

>>715359084
Not only the fag showed winter but also in a completely different place in the world, the islands are a spanish colony off the coast of marocco, it's in africa. Might as well be posting stats from french guyana.

>>715359510
Hello Saar!

>>715359201
We're talking about European weather, you might as well show us the temperature in the Falklands while you're at it.

>>715359356
its a representative to me. i dont give a fuck about you or what the news cry about
>>715359503
seems there's one

>>715359678
I thought Eurocucks gave up all their colonies. Why does Spain keep theirs? Very unprogressive for a socialist country with a far-leftie Prime Minister.

>>715359718
it was not me, I was just clarifying the situation for you anon

>>715358462
>Adobe
*Oracle.
(God damnit- All the Adobe talk literally got me to mix them up.)

>>715350881
I hope they fuck with US corporations way more.
t. American

>>715358960
Still doesn't require the permission of the seller.

>>715358359
It's well know that vatnik botfarms faked 6 gorillion signatures.

>>715359678
>Might as well be posting stats from french guyana.
well if you live there. go ahead
why would i post stats from some shithole that doesn't affect me?

>>715359356
the earth is 75% water
If anything it's a better representative than sensors in concrete jungles

>>715359307
Three scripts? Elaborate?

How is this shit any different than gaymurgayt 1(pbuh)?

>>715359307
>The EU should really start shitting on Nintedo and Snoty for remote bricking of consoles.
Oh- don't worry, they'll get to it.
They're probably waiting to see what shakes loose in Brazil with Nintendo before going in for the kill.

>>715359889
dont worry. current president is selling the islands to the niggers so we are getting invaded

>>715347249
>Communism is when you own things you pay for

>>715354116
>Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?
Jewish Theater to distract and derail the initiative. Detractors can't stop SKG because it's entirely beneficial to the consumer, but if they cover it up by focusing on e-celeb harassment drama, while also making half-truths about what SKG is meant to do, they hope it'll sway public opinion enough to keep it from passing.
It's just like what happened to Net Neutrality.

>>715360160
The EU has - or rather HAD - three official procedural languages: English, French and German.
This meant all proceedings, memoranda, notices, legislative text, etc. had to be co-supplied in at least those three languages.
They've abandoned that principle. Nowadays, they just use English and French internally as working languages and the Parliament accepts documents in any of the 24 official languages spoken in the EU.

You want to know why videogame localization is shit?
The EU bought up all the good translators to do transcription for their legal documents.

>>715354314
>who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment
They claim they're anti-capitalist/anti-establishment in order to act as a form of controlled opposition, that way their corporate allies can reap the full benefits of playing both sides.

>>715354116
Why are you spamming same pic and text with your every post?
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/At_HRO8D2r8AvJwZ9CkVEw/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Why%20are%20they%20trying%20so%20fucking%20hard%20to%20turn%20SKG%20into%20another%20Gamergate/
>This guy might be fucking nuts, but he still has a lot of influence in leftist circles.
LMAO nobody fucking cares about him. Not even leftists. Literally all he got was 6 likes in 13 hours. Maybe more later after you spammed that pic nonstop.

>>715360421
Anon, those are not the 3 offical EU scripts. It's Latin, Cyrillic and Greek.

>>715347753
I hate these fags.
How does it destroy the industry if corpos just do one last update to keep the game playable after they themselves abandon it?

>>715360218
Selling? How could any African country afford it? They're all in debt and in shambles.

>>715347134
If I and my bro, without even knowing how to code can run a private server of a almost unknown 2005 mmorpg, which we didn't even had the server files for,
then any indie that can ship a "service only" always online video game can afford it aswell.
cease this gaysm virtue signaling posting.

>>715360883
dunno ask the president why he is allowing ilegals to invade us while abandoning spanish people

>>715360629
>>715354116
Also now that I looked at it, you also spam these two, trying to push this as "right vs left" thing.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/owrJeUPYkVJFsWEPyWj2AA/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Q5sNcusBNRgQE2RzTioIjA/
Just stop.

>>715347249
I hate amerimutts so much it's unreal

>>715360172
Radically different. Gamergate was protesting for change, this current thing is a petition for change. If this too, doesn´t bring desired change, then the next one will be armed takeover of the gaming industry.

>>715347134
Too hard to program in player run servers?

>>715357325
Hope it was worth it buddy *stretches*

Anyway stay frosty

>>715347249
>communism is trying to use laws and legislation to temper the free market
Whoa...

>>715358501
eglin cucks and pride parade enthusiasts don't matter

>>715348732
The fines will increase until you find a way to not break the law.
Also games had no issue doing exactly that for over 30 years, so you are lying anyways.

>>715348906
The reason why this is being pushed in the EU is specifically because US customer rights outright state that you are cattle to be abused by billionaires.
The same reason why Steam refunds had to come from somewhere else.

>>715347249

>>715361109
I thought that replacement of Europeans was universal EU policy.

>>715349147
i'm a slav and i literally can walk around with a sword if i wanted
also have to have a gun license to own a gun but it's piss easy to get

>>715360629
>>715361118
I'm very suspicious of this whole SKG shit it's being pushed way too hard

>>715361358
Everyone who neighbors Russia and China hate them. Any student of history hates them.
The only people who don't hate them are leftists who want to see the West collapse and be taken over by Russia and China.

>>715355091
Because companies that need to use Adobe's shit usually get business-exclusive deals for long term service. They're able to get these because A) Adobe is willing to lose some money because it still makes huge profit and builds demand for their products and B) Adobe makes up the difference by making the home versions more expensive. Same thing happens with similar products like Windows, Unreal Engine, etc.

>>715360718
Those are not official scripts of the EU so much as those are scripts used by (part of) the member states of the EU for their official state language.

What happened to billionares? Henry Ford invented the weekend and cut the work day in half because wanted his people to be able to enjoy the cars he made. Why is every single rich guy now just obsessed with bleeding everyone dry? Even the non-jewish ones.

>>715360172
One was about game journalists being an incestuous clique who worked together to push a political ideology while not really give a fuck about games, the other one is about publishers destroying things they have sold to.
Any other questions? Like how it differs from the moonlanding or Eminem's 2nd Album?

>>715361109
it's not your land anyway
but keep crying about migrants

>>715355108
That just makes the argument to support SKG even stronger because this is an example of an online-dependent indie game that didn't just hit end of life, it also gave people a way to continue playing even after shutting down.

>noooooo it will take milion years and gorrilion dollars to make a gaas game local only!
about that

>>715361731
Neighbors often seethe at big dicks in the area. Now go ahead and sell Greenland to cover the racketeering costs, cuck.

>>715347134
Shills are fucking losers, news at 11

>>715354207
Where's the 'indie" line for this though? Like is something like Haven and Hearth considered "indie" as far as operating costs and such?

>>715355683
>GoG
(((They))) clearly don't want people to own things anymore.

>>715347134
>golem flag

>>715356049
We don't, it's just a minority of feckless cynics and ancap shills who hate any and all forms of regulation even if it's for a good cause, but hide behind "it's all legal" arguments. They'd think legislation for removing asbestos and mandated seat belts and airbags for cars would've been a terrible idea back then too. Fuckers forget laws and standards can be rewritten unless it's convenient for their points.
A lot of counter arguments for Stop Killing Games boil down to: "We can't have legislation because edge cases might happen, and we should just let the industry self-regulate. Let players vote with their wallets. Just do nothing."
No one tell them players have been voting in favor for these practices for the past 15 years, lmao. "Don't care, game fun." Modern development infrastructure is designed for online-only games to be as anti-consumer as possible, and a legal minefield otherwise.
The silver bullet to these shit arguments is: "Why are these anti-consumer development practices allowed in the first place?"

>>715361610
From those posts it seems like it's anti-SKG that's getting forced real hard.

So these games just won't be released to the EU. Problem solved for both sides.

>>715355823
Only normal niggers care about that drama shit
>you have no leader
Except the multiple laywers & government officials that drafted everything for the official website? Hello retard, Ross is just an advertiser

>>715352898
Always online games aren't going away but if SKG succeeds publishers will have to choose between private servers and keeping the servers online and functional. Most companies will just choose the former because they don't want to waste money supporting an unpopulated game.

>>715361835
Anon, i am old enough to remember when they added Cyrillic as the third offical alhabet of the EU when Bulgaria joined.

>>715362406
Do you not understand the context of that post?
>The people who are against SKG are the same people who were against Gamergate
Is what it's saying.

>>715362004
Correct, you act like a dick to your neighbors, they hate you. Dunno what Greenland has to do with it, they're nowhere near Russia.

>>715361923
>your land
it isn't niggers land neither
>but muh 500 years ago
its not 500 years ago anymore

>>715353074
Corporations did this to them. It's quite sad to see.

>>715347134
>American flag
Of course

>>715347249
GOOD MORNING SAAAAR

>>715356049
Net neutrality was just an astroturfed gang war between a couple of large corporations. Either way it went would have been irrelevant to customers because they'd pay the bill one way or another. There is no point hating it, but shilling for either of the corporate sides is pretty pathetic too. They are just trying to legislate who gets to fuck you the hardest and how. If isps lost it, you'd still pay for their losses as a customer. If the likes of Google lost it... Well you'd still pay for their losses.

Skg is obviously different because it was started by individual people not a corporation.

>>715362412
>not releasing your product in the biggest market by gdp in the world and instantly lose around a 1/3 of your selling potential
>instead of just complying and losing nothing but the ability to rip off customers more
a very sane take, very "business-like" if I may say so

>>715362412
The EU is too large of a market to ignore. If what you said was true, then Apple wouldn't have bent the knee to use usb-c sockets for their devices, and just stopped selling products in the EU.

>>715353720
Pinkertons have been proving it's not just cops who are bastards for 170 years now.

>>715353285
>he's right.
Name 5 indie companies it'd affect or your mom drowns in cum tonight

>>715360218
Who are they selling it to? For how much? Why doesn't it require the approval of the people living there?
Would you happen to have an English article on this I could read?

>>715362619
>it isn't niggers land neither
it's right there in africa tho

>>715362837
Think about all the hoops corporations willingly jump through to market their games in China. You think they wouldn't spend a few thousand bucks so they could sell in the EU?

>>715347249
>le ownership is... le gommunist!

>>715347092 (OP)
Is Nicolae a fellow gamer like me? What games does he play?

I have lolbert fatigue

>>715363184
He's a green faggot.

The great uniter

>>715347134
Exactly how many indie games are online multiplayer live service slop that do this shit?

>>715363292

>>715354678
>>715355887
>>715356106
This may be bullshit but an anon from another thread says this is from Australia and that in Australia their SWAT equivalent do not get paid a full wage so they work a different job who then get called in when they're needed. So the guy was working at his McDonalds job at the time.

>>715361295
There is already regulation of all consumer contracts, in what way is the market free currently?

>>715358750
Jesus fuck, imagine GTA VI skipping Playstation until 1 year after launch due to "piracy concerns" over sideloading if true, Xbox MAY be safe if they manage to include steam and other storefronts early and not be forced to include sideloading yet

>>715363292
12

>>715347249
This is you.

>>715362928
of course i dont
you think the goverment is going to say
>yes we allow illegals to enter our country. give them house, money. a phone. and allow them to assault people and let them free

>>715362412
Right after Apple, Intel and Microsoft leave the EU.

>>715358356
is there anyone who actually argues SKG is gamergate? sure asmon supports it but if it only had support from the GG crowd it wouldnt have succeeded

>>715363667
Wait, I can uninstall Edge?
The future is now.

>>715349130
I don't think it countries when the citizens hate their own government which would exclude America. American patriotism is a meme for Euros reading this. "Both sides" hate the state right now they just strongly disagree with what is causing the problem and how they should be fied.

>>715362980
guess we own the world beause at some point we were half-way there?

>>715363785
iirc you need the specific eu version of windows. At least that's what the news were at the time.

>>715347092 (OP)
I don't believe for a second that this'll lead to something tangible. Making devs and publishers seethe is always worth it, though.

>>715347249
Unsure if exquisite bait or genuinely stupid.

>>715353009
That's not what people want.

>>715357662
delete this

>>715363858
Españolhermanos...
What happened to us?

>>715358765
If you think about that for a bit. What is the average? And how is every year outside the average? And how come the temperatures measured are below the average in total.

>>715353009
kek

>>715347753
post a single indie game sold as GaaS

>>715364743
>What is the average?
16,3 Celsius according to that

>>715363858
>spanish still trying to appropriate stuff from the portuguese
you guys never change, and that's why you'll always fail like in the past

>>715347134
He's right. C'mon guys, do better.

When and how will this end?

>>715359129
It's especially funny because his "super advanced DRM" is just a couple of if-statements. It would be trivial to put them inside another if(DRMenabled)-statement and you could just turn it off with a single parameter change. Turning it off and "ending support" would take approximately the time it takes to launch whatever software he uses to edit the codebase.

>>715363649
You misunderstand, I'm not asking about immigration, we all know how Europe threw open the gates for a new caliphate.
I'm asking about outright selling the Canary Island to an African country that you mentioned. Unless that was hyperbole?

>>715363384
We all accept that we live in a limited free market, as opposed to a total free market with no rules. As beautiful as a truly free market sounds its exactly like communism; truly a polyanna belief because nobody would act wholeheartidly selfless and not take advantage of others. The rich would quash us with horrid consumer practices and we'd have negotiations to bring to the table, we barley do now.
That's why SKG is important; this movement is basically one of the only effective methods of negotiations we have. It's rarley needed for government intervention into commerce laws, but this is one of those occasions.

>>715365140
fuck off corpo rat

>>715347092 (OP)
You skiggers are truly despicable scum. You commies must never be allowed to have your way. Developers won't kneel to your illegal demands.

>>715365530
another corpo rat

>>715365530
>owning what you buy is communism

>>715349147
Top lel. Eurocucks are ass blasted. Look at those replies.

>>715364671
dunno i was just born 38 years ago

>>715365432
more than hyperbole was my shizo ass from how i see it

>>715347753
Literally name a single indie game this would effect

How will affect me? An American? It won’t. Tippity Top kek. Europeans are stupid ass hell

>>715366217
Of course the faggot whose country looks after rich pedos is ok with the people getting fucked by corpos

>>715349147
Post guns

>>715349319
>It's far more communist to say you will own nothing and be happy.
that's literally what SKG is saying tho

>>715357793
Playstation has been in panic mode since even before the PS5 came out due to their first party budgets ballooning out of control despite the miniscule returns, they're just able to suppress any bad news because Sony Entertainment Inc. controls most of the gaming news outlets and Sony themselves are no strangers to cooking the books hard as fuck in order to cover up the real numbers.
The funniest thing is that the whole 14 GaaS thing wasn't even Jim Ryan's fault, Playstation just never knew how long any of that shit would actually take. Still hilarious how they hired Bungie to oversee all of those projects only for Bungie to get all of them cancelled, while Bungie's also pushing their own GaaS title out. Of course, conflict of interest doesn't exist in the modern age...

>>715366217
less cancer will get developed because losing a large chunk of potential buyers is not feasible for the big companies

>>715365752
What part of "licensed, not sold" don't you understand, you skigger commie? If you're just mad then get a lawyer and ask for your money back.

>>715366356
>i am having a schizo moment
okay anon

>>715364671
actual jew tranny "art"
I hate tranimefags so fucking much

>>715347134
Indies don't make live service games so the point is beyond retarded. Indie games if they are multiplayer are almost always P2P or use steam servers so they would still be mostly unaffected. I would like to see a short list of Indies that WOULD be impacted

>>715366478
They don't make them because of commies like you. You're the ones who are killing video games.

>>715366458
>I am a retarded nigger.
okay anon

>>715366437
>>715366356
>>715366559
these are corpo rat shills

>>715366217
Probably nothing.
We Europeans will have to close our servers to prevent the Americans from coming in and ruining it.
While you in can keep paying your taxes for your government to spend on subsidies to private companies so that these companies can keep firing you and replacing you with pajeets.

>>715366593
explain how skg is against me owning games or playing them after the publisher decides they should end support

>>715347134
>the entry bar for indie slop gets higher
even better

>>715349147
>Eurocucks who can't even own knives or ACs
They don't own any armored cores? America wins again baybee!!!

>>715347249
I agree, communism is bad, that's why we should abolish copyright law, the most prevalent example of state control over economics

>>715361473
Freedom for corporates means freedom for the people, and freedom is the highest good. And freedom is something communists cannot fathom.

>>715349147
How white is America despite all it's weapons?

I think I get why burgers are so opposed to this, the initiative doesn't have words like freedom or patriot or god in it so they assume it is the work of the devil.

>>715367010
....SHUT UP

>>715354042
If an "Indie" developer is making a Live service game they're not Indie

>>715367176
You don't know - or are able to prove - that.

>>715362589
Gods, just imagine if they weren't retarded and evil countries. We'd be conquering mars by now.

>>715362546
I am the one who linked archive pics.
It is unnecessary "us vs them" shit that some trolls or anti-skg shills, be it paid or people who unironically lick corpo boot, try to push to muddy the water.
Rather than being
>"Literally everyone hates corpo greed and we, no matter our differing political views, all want SKG go through"
as it would actually threaten elite and people on top when "plebians" don't fight over idpol shit, that anon and shills tries to push
>"It's THEM trying to stop SKG! Bro don't let it become gamergate, the leftists are trying to stop SKG! Don't trust the leftists why do THEY want to stop SKG? Why are THEY so much against it? You are chud if you support SKG..."
agenda as desperate attempt to keep "both sides" agreeing on something. Because it is the most important cornerstone building block for our society to have "left wing" and "right wing" fighting with each other while elite takes everything. Even now they are trying to cover up Epstein stuff and Trump tries to push it as "Democrat"-adjacency if you want them to release Epstein report.
People who pushes "us vs them" are most likely shills for corpos and elite, or fucking horringly mistaken trolls who thinks they are being epic and ends up defending the elite for fucking free.

>>715366749
>>715366593
why aren't you answering this question, corpo shills?

>>715363413
Though. Imagine if you will, the sheer force of butthurt of a billion Snoys crying out in agony all at once, as they realize their platform has not only lost all exclusivity of its games, but in fact has lost exclusivity of the entire platform unto itself.
My god... that'd be something...

>>715367635
I'm not answering until HQ issues a new script, so you will have to wait.

>we've ducked under the 10k/day limit
OH NO NO NO

>>715353646
>Why the fuck is the image compressed so badly, did convert it to gif earlier lol
Because Open Source is communism, and gif is a proprietary cuck format that you deserve.

>>715347254
GIWTWM

>>715347753
>YOU SIGNED THE TOS THAT CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME!

>Okay, I'm changing the TOS of society so you can't do that anymore.

>NOOOOOOO!

>>715347134
>invest extra time
why does this argument still exist?

>>715366368
This is really sad. I mean, most of the biggest most hard core fans love their first party, single player story driven experiences about diversity and inclusion, they're not on board with GaaS becoming the norm yet it's sony's only chance to remain relevant. I'd imagine they're the biggest opposers to this movement lmao

>>715367869
>sunday evening

>>715347134
>american flag
Hmm

>>715368114
It's the daily votes anon.
12-07 was yesterday.

>>715353847
>There's no way agents from a corporation can legally come into your house and take your things though right?
they've been able to do that since the civil war, when abraham lincoln was, and you may have seen this episode before, funded by jewish bankers and corpos.

>>715367869
Guess that's it. The dream is dead. Pack it boys, we're never hitting the 2 million it needs to be accepted.

Literally kill games in real life.

>>715347753
>NYOOOOOO IF YOU MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO PUT LEAD IN BABY FORMULA YOU WILL KILL THE ENTIRE LEAD BABY FORMULA INDUSTRY!
this falls back in the common lefty ideology that anything that currently exists needs to keep existing as is forever
meaning everyone who has a job or any industry they like needs to remain
no one can be fired
no one can be made redundent
and everyone needs to be paid more
oh except for things they dont like, those jobs can be lost.

>>715353718
yeh but he's not wearing it.
he's a chud.

>>715347254
>wow im so tall so quirky!
>>>>ALWAYS wear heels
Literal pick-me

>>715347092 (OP)
GVMERS RISE VP

>>715366437
>What part of "licensed, not sold" don't you understand, you skigger commie?
What part of "EU law says it's a sale of goods and the license and EULA can go fuck itself." don't you understand, shill?

>People don't buy the Corpo bullshit and know they just want to keep making games that pop out of existence.
>The shills shift to Muh Indies!

Gosh, how many indie devs are making Live Service games or games that require online even when single player?

>>715367736
Imagine the headlines
>Here's why you SHOULDN'T sideload ps5 games
>Best deals on PS Store right now! These first party titles are having a MAJOR DROP (it's actually just 5% off some ps4 shovelware, already cheaper on steam)
>Nintendo may brick your console if you turn it on today! (according to this rumor from r/Switch2)
>Xbox is finally dead and we can't be happier
>User found their ps5 bricked for playing The Last of Us part 2 remaster relasted 1 week early
Meanwhile everyone's playing GTA VI on PC because this time Rockstar actually gave a fuck and finished it in time

>>715347749
exactly
kek
slave mentality
their lives suck but at least the giant multi billion dollar corporations are generating a lot of value!

I don't know if this was asked before but this would work for consoles right? Like it would simply be a local server running either on a separate computer OR even better the console itself right? I don't play console LAN games on consoles so I don't really know how it works, although I imagine is the same as comunication with any server, just that I'm not sure where the server would be running, console or PC. So if the Crew would have been made after the initiative passes we could either expect one dedicated server for each console or just one central server on PC? Could this enable cross play if the secone option is chosen?

>>715347134
Paid shill. We already know the lobbyist groups have contacted influencers

>>715348732
>Preparing server code for public release requires cleanup, documentation, and testing to ensure functionality.
i dont think any of this is true
it should already be clean
it should already be documented
it should already be functional
what the fuck is this retard talking about?
sounds like shit right out of jason's mouth

>>715368352
>common lefty ideology that anything that currently exists needs to keep existing as is forever
nigga is so far right that conservatism is lefty to him

>>715359129
>>715365327
to be fair, he never called Heartbound's DRM unbreakable
He did call the DRM on his previous game unbreakable, however. Which is funny because the supposed DRM is using your Steam Achievement list as a pseudo-save file. Which is incredibly retarded for multiple reasons, but also incredibly easy to bypass anyway, so no idea what the fuck he was thinking when he said that
I guess he wanted to look cool to his young, impressionable audience who wouldn't bother to fact-check him, and if someone did doubt and counter his claim, he could just ban them

>>715368352
>this falls back in the common lefty ideology that anything that currently exists needs to keep existing as is forever
>literally just described conservatism
what

>>715347092 (OP)
>only affects AAA which I don't buy
>only affects online only shit which I don't buy
>only affects multiplayer focused garbage which I don't buy
>does nothing about f2p freemium shit so the model is still viable
>does nothing against gacha so the bullshit is still viable
>can actually just establish games are services instead of achieving anything it set out to do(ie its own name) and retards will keep buying this shit anyway
I see literally no reason to support this movement.

>>715368583
Consoles used to be P2P back in the old days, so either add an offline mode that works well, or fuck off with your centralized bullshit.

>>715348732
Just don't make the server a requirement at launch
Why is this so hard

>>715349472
Member when you could host a game on your PC?

>>715356630
>>715364402
In a way its true, imagine some incompetent dev does a GaaS without creating a EOS plan to comply, they would be subject to penalties if they shut down the servers right away so in some cases if the devs are shit they will have to keep the servers up until they finish the EOS plan to comply with the law.

>>715367869
What if we nuked a country to set an example and give voters an incentive to vote?
I mean not a real country of course. Some symbolic piece of land that holds no value and nobody cares about.
Not that I'm naming names.

>>715368653
>it should already be clean
>it should already be documented
>it should already be functional

Operative word: should.

In reality more than likely it isn't, and all of it is riddled with security vulnerabilities, unlawful retention of personal data, etc.
I.e. plenty of grounds to receive fines under the GDPR and umpteenth other bits and bobs of legislation, as well as for being sued for general malfeasance.
And the industry is probably DEATHLY afraid of those skeletons falling out of the closet if they're forced to release server software.

>>715348906
>are licenses, not owned products.
ok fine
then change the language from "buy" to "rent" across the entire industry
when i go to a gamestop or the steam store it should say "rent" and it should IN GIANT FUCKING LETTERS SAY "YOU DO NOT OWN THIS GAME, IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE DELETED FOREVER"
i mean, thats the law right? shouldnt be a problem.

>>715350272
dont be a bigot

>>715356049
even though it was named 'net neutrality' the law americans got rid of was more like turf lines among ISPs.
not too long ago it was common for there to be 1 and only 1 ISP in places that were not the middle of a city.
>>715366464
open a book spic

>>715368956
Could start with Israel

>>715369000
If you can't afford to comply with the law don't make the game, you wouldn't hire 700 Indians to make software for medical use because you will get fucked. Instead you will need to source American programmers that will cost you more but will produce quality code, or just hire a Chinese company and pray that they wont include spyware this time (they have done it already)

>>715368721
Yee that could work, I forget that P2P is used for anything other than pirating. And honestly I'm ok with things being centralized IF the end user can be the one who sets up and controls the service.

>>715368684
Here is the thing you need to understand about people political views in the current year.
Anything you don't like is caused by the other side. People are willing to cut their own nose off to spite the chuds/libs.

The perfect example is this current situation. The right as spent the last 10ish years shitting on these giant publishers/devs for their woke horseshit and their greedy, kike like business practices. BUT the moment the leftists start to support "Stop Killing Games", it magically became BASED and American Pilled to suck Blizzard(Microsoft)'s cock and ensure they're able to continue to fuck over the players

>>715350881
>it's about fucking with US companies.

>>715362173
>A lot of counter arguments for Stop Killing Games boil down to: "We can't have legislation because edge cases might happen, and we should just let the industry self-regulate. Let players vote with their wallets. Just do nothing."
Which one is it?
>Modern development infrastructure is designed for online-only games to be as anti-consumer as possible, and a legal minefield otherwise.
Either it's just a few edge cases, or modern AAA games are all designed to be online only irreducibly complex systems that can't be done with small scale distributed hosting.
>The silver bullet to these shit arguments is: "Why are these anti-consumer development practices allowed in the first place?"
Go read the proposal; SKG does absolutely nothing to prevent those practices as long as it's sold as GaaS, and if those proposals go through then companies will have no choice, because right now online AAA games are literally impossible to host from consumer hardware, so they'll be forced to only sell them as GaaS. Why not just strengthen ownership of games and require games to sell you a client side thing as a good that could be reverse engineered in the future? Who knows? But as it stands SKG right now does absolutely nothing for preserving games or consumer rights and serves only to monkey's paw everyone in to even more GaaS at a time where consoles treat ownership of physical media as obsolete, and where most games overwhelmingly pay multiple gaming subscriptions. Saying "Back in my day everquest didn't do so well" is an amateurish and idiotic assessment of the current state of the market and how widespread GaaS have become

>>715356630
>that's going too far
i dont think it goes far enough
there should be public executions for anyone taking your property(that includes software and videogames no longer being usable)

So how will we fight loopholes like companies not selling their games in Europe? EU bros will just download the game with a VPN and they wont have to follow the law.

>>715368583
Older games would have to be grandfathered in, but going forward they would either need to make some kind of barebones offline mode or support private/community servers once official support is ended.

>>715369226
>If you can't afford to comply with the law don't make the game
Oh I agree with you on that; make no mistake. It's the industry which doesn't - and considers cutting corners an excellent way to cut costs and maximize profits.

>>715369427
They aren't going to lose 25% of the gaming market in order to save $100 making a host a server button

>>715369000
Maybe...just MAYBE all these companies don't need to harvest personal data?

>>715369524
Companies do retarded shit all the time, look at how ready or not got absolutely fucked because they didn't want to make a "load old assets" button.
lol

>>715369427
>So how will we fight loopholes like companies not selling their games in Europe?
By EU law, if you explicitly invite to purchase any EU consumer, you are doing business in the EU and those transactions are all in the jurisdiction of the EU. Most EU countries use country-specific online payment schemes and don't use Paypal or credit cards. You'd have to contract a payment services provider that targets those payment schemes, and thus by extension you are explicitly targeting EU consumers, because only those EU countries use those payment schemes.

In short - the loophole you think exists, doesn't exist.

>>715357793
Go read the proposal, it literally doesn't apply to GaaS and they wouldn't have to make private servers available after service closes, because you have no right to ownership if you sign up for an explicitly limited service. SKG is idiotic for going in this direction instead of going in a way that will actually strengthen consumer rights by demanding that games are sold as goods, rather than this weird private server autism that would never work for most games anyway, so they'd just have to be sold as a service, not like that's not what was happening anyway.
>>715366368
Playstation should be secretly loving this, because it plays right in to their hands, they led the charge towards GaaS by making ownership of physical media seem obsolete and the entire industry is nudging customers towards GaaS.

>>715368656
>>715368684
have you been under a rock?
every lefty online has been screaming about videogame industry/tech layoffs for years now saying its a disaster and that there should be no layoffs.
what else could you draw from that?
also
>far left and far right are ultimately the same
yes we know.

>>715369529
The point being made in >>715369000 is that legally they SHOULDN'T BE - but in fact MIGHT BE DOING IT ANYWAY. And that if they're then forced to open up server software; they're going to be found out unless they spend a lot of effort to polish all the nasty out of their codebase and steralize it before releasing it.

>>715347249
>Liberals see through your falseflag to make it about harassment against trannies
>Start courting conservafags by saying "Being able to own what you buy is Communism because it's enforced by government action"
And it'll probably work.

>>715368721
AND IT FUCKING SUCKED
playing gears of war online on the 360 with host advantage was fucking terrible and millennials that can't grow up pushing this horseshit need to stfu forever

GIVE US THE SERVER CODE OR DIE

>>715369000
>In reality more than likely it isn't

>>715349147
>>715349421
>>715349654
This. If ameriburgers had a spine, they would've expelled the jews or whatever by now.

>>715370071
most of us have better internet connections than was common 20 years ago

>>715347134
they're right. Why can't broke yuropoors take responsibility for their actions instead of making daddy government bail you out? Nobody is forcing you to buy corporate live-service slop. Even if you choose to buy it, it's your responsibility to read the TOS before purchase and understand the risks

>>715369401
if you buy a service you're not buying a good, if you buy GaaS you have no ownership. Instead of requiring companies to sell games as goods SKG just says companies must reverse engineer their games to be hosted by community groups, something that was already being done and happening legally, also in many cases without companies even trying to legally fuck with people.
These shitty proposals only make GaaS an inevitability

>>715355209
You misspelled libertarian.

>>715369850
cute little anon seeing left taking side of workers against their bosses and thinking left is against changes

>>715369675
they could actually just operate as normal and only offer the same thing as GaaS to EU consumers

>>715366975
bait or brainlet

>>715362546
you're oversimplifying things
the overlap stems form journos, the games industry's right hand, launching smear campaigns using snowflakes, lgbtrannies, and nogs as shields (see notyourshield, which was formed in response) to try to deflect from gamergate's actual goals of calling out the lack of integrity and independence of games journos and the incestuous links that tie their continued employment to the games industry
all you're seeing is the same useful idiots making the same tired non-arguments in a futile attempt to discredit and demonize stop killing games, which only seeks to stop companies from destroying games once they decide to pull the plug.

Ironic how yuropoors shit on private citizen gun ownership, yet they're the ones bitching about cops and military on Reddit (aka the only people who are allowed to own guns).

>>715347134
Probably because it's a valid concern.

>>715370526
Not an argument.

>>715370328
no actually we don't, most people playing games are still gonna be playing over wifi, with 3 other people in the house streaming tv and doing other bullshit and setting up multiplayer like that will cause the same old shitty issues, not that it will matter since these retarded laws won't even apply since companies will just sell everything as GaaS, then you will own nothing and be happy

>>715347092 (OP)
>Sure, the government hates you and wants you dead and are for globalism interests, but you have to trust them this time to not screw you over!
I hate you all so much.

>>715369675
He thinks the gaming industry as a whole will just drop the EU market. Which is retarded. They've spent the last 20ish years bending over backwards to get into China. They have not pulled out of the middle east.

>>715357662
I won't rest easy until we reach 1,666k signatures (so that even if 40% are invalid, it still passes)

>>715370713
I don't trust the government but I trust the corporations even less.

>>715358339
>>Proud Americans who bear arms to "keep government corruption in check" do literally nothing
I don't think the right to bear arms means "go into the capitol and shoot them up when you think they're wrong".

>>715355209
>>715370404
>muh corporation worship!
you know you don't have to purchase goods from corporations, right? and yet yuropoors worship the government, where you literally go to jail for not participating in gay arbitrary regulations

>>715370383
>if you buy a service you're not buying a good, if you buy GaaS you have no ownership
that isnt disclosed
when you spend money on a non-free to play gaas it says the word "buy"
it NEVER says the word rent
or something like "buy a single use ticket for a service"

>>715370784
here's the difference: you don't have to engage with corporations. But if you choose not to engage with the government, you literally go to jail

>>715366975
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country
The US doesn't rank particularly high in any category of freedom though.

>>715370493
you didnt read my comment
i said an ideology of the left is to want things to stay the same
and then i gave an example
if i had said
THE ideology of the left is they dont want anything to change then i would be wrong.
retard.

>>715370865
It's literal insanity how the same people who throw riots over not trusting the government go ahead and just give it more power so they can control people they don't like then wonder why things get worse.

>>715366975
Corporations aren't people. Rights of corporations and individual rights are different things.

>>715347249
yes.
cry about it.

>>715370903
it doesn't need to, you don't rent a fast pass at disney, you buy it, not that it would even matter, because gamers today spend money on the most pathetic shit imaginable, in Ross' time horse armour was an unimaginable scam, today it's commonplace, along with widespread GaaS, battle passes, you name it. These regulations only serve to make GaaS the only way companies are willing to make or sell games, which does no favours to ownership or consumer rights, it actually just fucks us all by being so short-sighted.

>>715370502
Doesn't work. As much as the game wants to label itself as a service via its EULA or license, that is not for either to decide.
The form of the contract is determined by law. To qualify as a service contract, you'd have to have a license for a determinate period. Set dates and recurrent payments.
And if service halts before the period is over, you are entitled to a partial refund commensurate to the remaining days you paid for, but will not receive.

So, even the industry setting a ludicrous expiration date 500 years in the future and then deciding to end service after 3 years won't help them.
Because then they'd have to refund 99.4% of the purchase sum anyway.

>>715358465
>We shouldn't do anything about it since the next president is probably going to be a pedo too
What kind of cucked mindset is this? You should be doing something BECAUSE they're all fucking pedos.
If it was just Trump I could at least understand, but not agree with, the mindset of
>Oh he's going to be gone soon anyway, why bother
but since it seems to be such a deeply rooted issue, you should fucking do something about it

>>715369428
>Older games would have to be grandfathered in
The law is not retroactive anon

>>715348732
>10-100 thousand
A drop in the fucking bucket for your 200 million dollar trash game.
>indie developers
Don’t make this shit.

>>715371349
>it doesn't need to
it does
buy = own
rent = not own
simple as.

We will own things
and we will be happy

It's really depressing that based off his Deus Ex video with his schizo rantings he would be against getting governments more involved in things.

lolberts are a goddamn joke.

>>715366437
>Just pay a lawyer $20000 so you can get your $60 back
No thanks, we pay our politicians to protect our rights instead.

>>715371369
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
Okay retard, so they just wouldn't do any of the shit you're talking about and just sell the same game as a service like I said. Like they do for all kinds of games, sell them as a service, it's not a novel concept, it's actually pretty much the norm now.

>>715349147
>>Eurocucks who can't even own knives

What is the mutt trying to say here?

>>715371598
That isn't how it is supposed to work.

>>715371730
>NOOOO the guy with the most expensive lawyers should be able to make the rules

>>715365937
What replies? That all of EU is like UK? Norway has the second highest gun ownership per family after US.

>>715354116

Josh is always right.

>>715368956
Where can I see those flags?

>>715372097
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>715370865
>you know you don't have to purchase goods from corporations, right?
so? serfs lived protected by feudal lords as indentured servants. that doesn't mean they were even one bit happy about it.
gamers have been digital serfs for too long. it's time to break the chains of digital slavery.

>>715371446
you can still buy a service anon, and what you get should be made clear to you at the point of sale. SKG is actually in favour of increasing GaaS and thereby reducing the ownership everyone would want, instead of taking the smart road and trying to increase ownership by requiring all games are sold as goods it does nothing to help you.

>>715372267
except
>I wouldn't buy into GaaS ever since games get shut down whenever
>seeing a game explaining that the money you give is just for a 1~2-year subscription like netflix that can be taken away anytime turns me off even further

>>715372267
>you can still buy a service anon
no you rent a service.

>>715369795
Games are sold as goods in EU, theoretically at least, but it's not really been enforced. That's what gives SKG an opening in the first place. It wouldn't require entirely new law more like guidance on implementation. Going from status quo to full enforcement would probably be not viable but this way at least it chips away at the entrenched practice that is probably illegal and gets it rolling.

>>715372951
>seeing a game explaining that the money you give is just for a 1~2-year subscription like netflix that can be taken away anytime turns me off even further
Good. Maybe then the sales will drop and devs will start making something other than live service slop