Pronoun sisters, our response???

>>715351431 (OP)
Death of author
who cares what the homophobic moron says?
they were clearly lesbians before he inserted some dude in to ruin the fun

>>715351543
>Death of author
Uh not very media literate of you.

>>715351571
Not him but this isn't a gotcha.
All people that don't believe in death of the author are retards, and yes, that includes people that go "But Verhoeven said!"
Anyways, Kamiya is based for telling the people trying to make a big drama out of AC:S that they're losers.

>>715351752
what's ac:s ?

>>715351752
Nah death of the author is retarded and only used to push gay and retarded shit.
Media literacy is just, noo you can't think the bad guy is cool or has a point the author doesn't want that.

>>715351752
a nvm ass creed shit fuck ass creed die Kamiya and you too anon

>>715351431 (OP)
There was never any indication it's anything more than a sisterly bond. Trannies are not only mentally ill but also mentally retarded.

>>715351752
death of the author cannot be universally applied
where there are obvious pieces intentionally left out of a story - things the author would clearly know - then it can be relevant if the author says yes/no to something later on
Off the top of my head: in The Road, it's never stated what the cause of the apocalypse is. McCarthy said he intentionally left it ambiguous because within the context of the story, he didn't want to have people thinking about "would X have really caused this" or "who launched the nukes" or whatever else. Much later he said in an interview that it was an asteroid. It is highly unlikely that he came up with that later. He had it planned out at the time, but intentionally didn't say it. I would consider that "canon" to the story.
in the bayo case it's irrelevant though, all the dyke shit is 100% headcanon, even denying in-game information to the contrary

>>715351752
Death of the author is a thing but not every interpretation is valid and some are objectively wrong. There are uncountably many numbers between 1 and 2 but none of them are larger than 3.
When an author is clarifying his intention to debunk some braindead headcanon, it's corroborating evidence not an authoritative statement.
Death of the author is meant to apply when the author goes crazy and says something blatantly untrue and easily countered by citing the work, it's not meant to validate unhinged headcanon. If your headcanon goes against what's established in the work or contradicts it, it's not a matter of interpretation. It's just wrong. And that includes the author which is why the concept of a retcon exists. You can retroactively alter the continuity but not an already finished work within the scope of that work alone.

>>715351543
>they were clearly lesbians
In your head maybe.

The fuck is this shit
Even in the first game it was MADLY OBVIOUS that Bayo and Luka had a comedic, back-and-forth banter that went beyond friendship. Jeanne went to save her, just like she did 400 or whatever years ago. They are the last survivors of their people and their connection is stronger than human womennot only because of that, but because they are magic witches who live longer.

What are these deranged twitter lunatics on about

Bayo fucks only straight white men.
This kills the twitter tranny.

>>715351431 (OP)
I remember somebody randomly calling Aya from Parasite Eve a lesbian. They just do it to whatever characters they like.

>>715351543
Death of the author is literally the OC donut steel of academia, thinking your OC has any weight. Only professed by pretentious, entitled faggots.
It's what happens when the somewhat autistic teen on deviantart drawing self inserts of sonic grows up and decides to get into humanities
Just call it fanfiction and headcanon and don't try to pretend you have any right to tell the author anything about their work.

>>715353602
I don't acosiate or like cisheteros. It's not that hard to understand that we prefer to see the characters we like as being like us, especially when they blatantly are pre character-assassination.

>>715353564
The amount of cope this art caused has been insane, they started using the "b.b.b.bu.but she....shes bisexual!". Now Kamiya dropped the hammer, Bayo is officially pure straight, not even bi. Any lesbian xe/xer posting about it from now on is cope and pure fanfaction that can be disregarded on A03. We won so hard.

>>715353690
How do you feel that your favorite character got impregnated by a male and isn't bi now apparently.

>>715353690
ESL troon moment

>>715353690
>It's not that hard to understand that we prefer to see the characters we like as being like us,
But they're not mentally ill like you.

>>715351543
>Death of author
Doesn't exist. You have zero agency or say over the creative works of another person, and never will.
Yuritrannies are, by a country mile, the most delusional cabal of entitled, subversive fuckwits on the internet.

>>715351431 (OP)
Kamiya can go fuck himself

>>715351431 (OP)
Based, man ended it once and for all.

>>715351431 (OP)
I don't know anything about this guy or game. But is saying Platinum Quit like Platinum Mad? How many platinum phrases do the Japanese have?

>>715354732
platinum games. the company
translated by grokslop. quit is probably not the correct translation. Platinum (games) [verb] when he tried to depict it.

>>715353221
>The Road
I've always found the debate retarded. Literally the first or second line is the protagonist describing the apocalypse as "a shear of light in the night sky" or something. It was clearly always an asteroid

>>715351543
>before he inserted some dude in to ruin the fun
The first cutscene of the first game has that "some dude", retard.

>>715354732

>>715351543
Not lesbians.
Deal with it and KYS.

>>715351752
no one cares what your fanfics say, dumbass

>>715352724
Who cares what the author intended, what matters is what they actually delivered. That's the thing that we actually engage with, not the author's interpretation of it.
If I order a painting of a hedgehog and the artist turns in a black circle, it doesn't become a hedgehog, no matter the pepsi universe dissertation the artist attaches.
Or take the Homeworld series. Everyone loved HW1. The HWC spinoff by a different team followed its spirit and people loved it. Then HW2+ by the old team brought mystical woowoo bullshit to the forefront nobody liked. That's because the HWC team understood "HW1: the game we actually got" better than the original devs. The original devs were only an authority on "HW1: the game they *wanted* to make". Nobody cares about that hypothetical HW1 that only exists in the devs' heads. What people engaged with was the HW1 we got. It's the only HW1 that's real and that matters.

Also if you don't believe in death of the author, The Matrix is now about troons because the authors said that in hindsight that's definitely what they were working through at that time.

>thing I like and support
>listen to author, he knows best
>thing I dislike and do not support
>have you heard about death of the author?
Next thread.

>>715353703
To be fair, he already said this years ago. He was just ignored of course.

>>715351543
>lesbians chose a het woman who says she loves baby making sex and poses for the male gazey camera as representation

>>715355609
The matrix is about troons and bayo a straight woman that got impregnated by luka.

>>715351543
>Death of author
This is the dumbest idea; the creator is the only authority over the work.

Note how the only ones who use the "Death of the Author" argument are shippers and fanfiction writers.

Here's your lesbian bro

>>715351431 (OP)
This man does not currently work for Platinum or on the Bayonetta franchise in any capacity. As such, any statements from him should not be considered official. His word on this matter means as little as the person he's responding to.

The author said that in EVERY single version of Bayonetta. She and Jeanne are hetero.

Yuri fans are retards. "Muh subtext" is a crock of shit; a character is either gay or not.
HIbike Euphonium being praised as "the definitive yuri work" while works with explicit lesbian romances are always ignored is the best proof of how idiotic yuri fans are.

>>715351431 (OP)
Remind him that fictional women acting sexy for the male gaze is culturally illegal, and that Bayo has to either go lesbian or put on a burka. Otherwise he'll never get a good review again.

>Death of the author
The actual fuck is this shit? What am I reading? This just seems like some desperate attempt to make their headcanon real or something

>>715351431 (OP)
Death of yuritrannies
BTFO

>>715351431 (OP)
This is basically fanfiction since he quit Platinum in like 2023. For all he knows, Bayonetta 4 could be in development right now and set to contradict his tweet and give the fans what they actually want.

>>715357036
By that logic everyone saying she's gay should shut their fucking mouths because they've never worked at Platinum or on the Bayonetta series

>>715351543
>DoA when i need my ships to be canon
lmao

>>715351543
>They're lesbians because... because they are! Ok?

>>715351752
The Left only have "death of the author" so that they can enjoy "problematic" media.

>>715357590
For all we know you don't work on the game too and the 4th game set to contradict you

>>715357606
They certainly shouldn't be considered official sources, yes. Thanks for agreeing with me babe.

>>715351543
>if the author says they're gay then his intent should be respected
>if the author says they're not gay he doesn't know what he's talking about and should be ignored
hmmm

>>715357490
That's exactly what it is. When supposed "fans" don't like how things are so they ignore what the author set down as fact about their work so they can make shit up as they please. Shit was thought up by a french fag "critic" when he thought he knew better than an author about how his story should go

>>715352724
Forgot media literacy, you're actually illiterate. Now shut up, Timmy. Adults are speaking.

>>715357780
In other words she's not gay, thank you for agreeing with me, dear

>>715357490
it originally meant when works could reasonably be interpreted to have different or higher meanings than the author originally intended, and they're so impactful that the intended ideas get overshadowed.
But it's been liberalized and taken over by retarded shippers.

>>715355609
>Who cares what the author intended, what matters is what they actually delivered.
And what they actually delivered is straight bayo amd jeanne

>>715351543
Reminder that Bayonetta and Luka's theme is called romance :)

>>715357979
>b-but the author said...
Don't care. This is what death of the author means. You're free to come up with your own explanations. It's all made up anyway, lol. You must be on a spectrum if you care about the argument from authority so much.

>>715358267
>It's all made up anyway, lol.
but suddenly it's really important when darkies need to be inserted everywhere :)

>>715355609
>The Matrix is now about troons because the authors said that in hindsight that's definitely what they were working through at that time
troons say a bunch of shit that doesn't make sense in order to validate themselves, so i don't trust they speak honestly

>>715358106
Nobody is fully straight althoughbeit.

>>715355609
>what matters is what they actually delivered.
But that's never what "death of the author" is ever used for.

>>715357335
>That picture
Don't even care about this topic, but the Char Aznable/Quattro Bajeena meme will never fail to make me laugh.

>>715358330
>w-whatabout niggers!!!?!
*Yawn* Get new material, bucko. As if anyone cried about lack of representation half as much as you do when some is present.

>>715352724
media literacy is when you read a pro communism message from everything

>>715358479
thanks for confirming the dissonance atleast :)

>>715358398
That is what it means. Your lack of understanding doesn't matter.

>>715358529
>:DDDDDD
Stop it, you lil' freak. There is no dissonance, your sick mind is just unable to operate on terms other than black&white. So kindly shut up before you pollute the thread further with your stupidity.

>>715358661
take your meds and stop being schizo and i wouldn't have to :)

There needs to be a holocaust for yuri fags.

>>715358824
Yuri fags just need factory reset.

>>715356806
>>715352724

>This is the dumbest idea; the creator is the only authority over the work.
You mean the holder of the rights, right? Whoever are the people literally typing a video game script, usually have no ownership of the IP or of the final product. For example, if Nintendo or Kamiya suddenly said Bayonetta was a trans woman, that fact wouldn't change the static narrative of the games.

The idea that anyone has the ability to change the objective content of any literary piece once released make no sense, at most you can amend it and make a new version, but even then the old version doesn't stop existing and you now have two narratives.

>>715351431 (OP)
Kamoya did not yet figure out the alignment between the sort of people of who would distort history and people who who distort video game narratives. Despite the obvious similairity he considers only the former to be in the right.

>>715351543
>Fags who want to see faggotry in everything get mad when the author comes out and says there's no faggotry
I bet you think Sam and Frodo are secretly gay for each other too.

>>715351431 (OP)
Yuritards BTFO

The damage Bayo 2 did to Jeanne cannot be overstated. Turning the Vergil analogue into a damsel in distress basically crippled the franchise permanently

>>715351543
>Death of author
HP Lovecraft

>>715351431 (OP)
He left out multiple "in my opinion"s in that tweet. Remember that he doesn't even work for PG anymore.

>>715353445
Spot on. It's like thinking Vegeta wants a gay romance with Goku instead of respect, rivalry, and racial pride being the lynchpins of their relationship.

>>715351431 (OP)
Grok is this true?

>Ahhhh they were lesbians in my minds fuck you Kamiya

>>715359120
bayo was always shit anyway, kamiya's shlocky style didn't work because he couldn't write women.

>>715351543
YWNBAW

>>715351431 (OP)
Gay shippers should be gassed.

The funniest thing is that headcannon faggotry basically guarantees that creators won't actually bother making lesbian characters.
Why make two girls a proper, explicit couple when you can simply let the audience imagine it while having the work proper ship the girls with dudes and therefore pander to the waifufag audience at the same time.

>>715359387
1 was fine, and set up all the elements necessary for a great franchise. The problem with Kamiya (and Platinum at large) is that they never learn from their mistakes, and they cannot pick the good from the bad.

Imagine you're playing DMC4 and all of a sudden there's another underwater FPS segment like in 1
Imagine you're playing DMC3 and the final boss is an on-rails shooter segment like the fight against Mundus
Imagine you're playing DMC5 and Dante is still hung up on his weird, creepy crush on Trish

That's Bayonetta.

I sincerely believe that women can build friendships with strong bonds

>>715351752
>"But Verhoeven said!"
The thing is that Verhoeven isn't the fucking AUTHOR OF STARSHIP TROOPERS. Robert A. Heinlein is. That's what makes the argument so preposterous. Heinlein was a radical Rightwing Libertarian. Verhoeven was a radical Leftwing Communist. Heinlein wasn't concerned about Fascism, he was concerned about the right to self defense. Verhoeven saw the Fascist boogeyman around every corner, so he adapted Heinlein's parable on the necessity of self defense up to and including genociding the aggressors into a parable on "wouldn't it be bad if there was a military? Kinda yikes if you think about it."

Anyone using the "death of the author" bullshit to validate their own blatant lies and faggotry need to be dropkicked into a woodchipper. They don't have enough brainpower to be considered people.

>>715359161
You left out the part were Bayo gets dicked down by a man and has a daughter in the third game.

>>715358912
NTA and you would make a point if the work was incoherent. For example WoW with its million retcons and rewrites.
But bayo is coherent. The dude appears in the first game, their theme is called romance, there was never any hint of lesbianism other than in the heads of shippers.

>>715351543
Look at rhw filthy chuds seething at my post
you will all burn in the revolution, btw

>>715355402
Can't have respectful female friendships with yurifags around. All female friendships involve scissoring apparently.

>>715351543
>Who cares what the creator says my delusions are what matters
take your meds retard

>>715351543
Bad bait. Death of Author cannot be used to justify blatant headcanon, as the series never implies any sexual relationship between Bayo and Jeanne. If the work doesn't contradict the author's statement, then you cannot apply this principle at all, period.

It's also, in my humble opinion, sexist to believe that women cannot form strong platonic bonds, and must always be in a romantic relationship if they look quirky enough to you or fit your vibe. Why can't you just accept that your ship is non-canon and enjoy it without yelling at people who prefer a canon interpretation of events? Why must every female be reduced to her sexuality to satisfy your fetish?

How do yurifags manage to be the most obnoxious part of any fandom they infest without fail?

>>715351543
You know /v/ is overrun with tourists when the most obvious bait imaginable gets this many (You)s

You should all be ashamed, and lurk moar

>>715359952
What revolution, the one that Blackrock sold you because they targeted you as ravenous consumers?

>>715359652
I don't know how people take Verhoeven's critique seriously when he made it pretty obvious he saw something he didn't agree with politically and hyperbolised it.

>>715360073
All the gays are annoying. You just like series with more women than men. When there's a strong male cast, you'll inevitably have retards saying that a straight man with a wife and child and a straight man with no love interest are actually gay.

>>715360415
Anon, the people saying that are majorly straight white women

>>715360526
Eh, it's like 60% fags and 40% fujos.

>>715360526
Anon, have you ever heard of BOWSER? Have you any idea of how much gay art there is of one of the straightest characters in fiction?

>>715360663
judging by twitter like 95% of yurifags are trannies for some reason

>>715361027
That's usually the case, yes. Trannies are mostly just fetishists and they self-insert as one of the girls.

>>715351543
Art without the voice of the artist is meaningless.

>>715360997
No see, here's the thing. Bara art is indeed mostly enjoyed by gay men, but the vast majority of people pushing for BL or gay interpretations of shows and games are definately women.

>>715351543
Kill yourself, faggot

>>715359952
You mean the revolution when everyone puts your tranny heads on a pike?

>>715353564
Ah, look how happy she is

>>715351571
>>715351752
Use nuance you niggers. Death of the Author is absolutely Marxist slop but there are times when you have to apply it just due to circumstance.

Tolkien literally died before he could iron out many of the details of Middle Earth, so there being only seven balrogs (which was his authorial intent) doesn't make sense at all because more of the stories he wrote were written when he envisioned Melkor fielding them by the hundreds. Here it makes sense to disregard the authorial intent because, by Tolkien's own admission at the time, the plot is incongruous. If we were expected to follow authorial intent with the version of the Silmarillion that we got, then why did Tolkien bother trying to rewrite it at all?

But, then you get shit that doesn't make more sense but makes less sense, like Greedo shooting first or the Matrix being a metaphor for being a tranny. The latter doesn't fucking make any sense and the authors themselves openly said the authorial intent was different 20 years before they both trooned out. In the 90s, the Matrix was a giant Buddhist metaphor with the Matrix ifself representing the false reality and Neo becoming the One being a metaphor for achieving Enlightenment, with the Wachaoskis hammering that in with 0 subtlety with mountain upon mountains of eastern imagery and spoouting off about it in every interview. Only today is it somehow about trannies, even though there are 0 trannies in it, no troon imagery that existed even at the time and even the same 3 made up and entirely invented troon talking points written so vaguely they can be applied to near everything not even managing to fit it well. Which creator do I listen to, the ones who actually made the movie or two troons whose explaination directly conflicts with what they said and showed 20 years ago and, age wise, are as removed from the Matrix as half the posters on /v/ are from infancy?

He's a cuckold race traitor to his own country and constantly acts like an obnoxious faggot online insulting everyone who has anything to say he doesn't personally like or gives him criticism for as if he's a little child throwing tantrums because he was never thought how to control himself, and yet, he still tries to act all "cool" and "chill" on videos and still has retards in his comments treating him with any kind of respect and calling him "sir" and other shit like that?

Do you people just have some kind of masochistic tendencies? Do you look up to people like these thinking what they do is some kind of display of 'strength'?

>/v/ suddenly hates the idea of two hot women going at it
Culture war shit has rotted your minds. Lesbians were always hot, this was never a problem in the 2000s.

>>715361568
Death of the author massively predates Marx and any concept of communism you could have, you retarded pseud

>>715361813
fuck off woke troon. You are a freak of nature

>>715361716
the westaboo who made god hand is a race traitor?? no.... impossible......

>>715361716
What's wrong with this, if a game is destined to fail, people should let it, not go online making a big fuss out of nothing. The old generation knew how to do this, this new generation is annoying and complain too much about everything. Vote with your wallets, kids.

>>715361813
I jerk off to yuri but I can’t stand yurifags, completely different things. It’s how 10 years ago I liked jojo but I wouldn’t touch the jojo community with a 10 ft pole

>>715361716
He is correct in that screencap though

>>715361942
retarded nigger go kill yourself

>>715361813
Lesbian sex as porn material is fine. You can enjoy it in isolation. But you also accept it's pushed for by failed male transbians.

>>715361813
I never liked it to begin with, only a man and a woman going at it makes sense and looks nice and normal. Anything outside of that is garbage.

>>715361716
He was spitting doe

>>715361813
I've never liked yuri. I say that as a Touhou fan. I have yuri as an automatically filtered tag on Sad Panda.

>>715362043
Cope, you don't have to do anything

>>715351431 (OP)
The clear indicator of them being lesbians in the first game is that they fight and try to kill each other.
Seems typical of a lesbian relationship

The current yuritranny issue that so many fandoms are dealing with right now is what happens when you spend years catering to them.

>>715361813
When you're delusional and trying to force it to be canon and throwing a tantrum because it's not canon I wish you would die instead of agreeing that girls kissing is cute and hot

>>715361817
>muh predating
If it pushes social and economic entropy, it is marxist. The French Revolution was Marxist. Christianity not only is, but was even at its foundations, Marxist. The Heat Death of the Universe is Marxist. Death is Marxist because if diffuses you and everything you are into particles in the soil, none of which are ever as meaningful being shared as they were when they were concentrated and aligned into one form.

The Big Bang (assuming it happened, that's a big assumption these days) is hierarchical. Evolution is hierarchical. Life is hierarchical, both in form and in the requirements to keep it functioning. Poncare recurrance is hierarchical.

>>715362234
There aren't an U-hauls in the game, though, so they can't be lesbians.

>>715362360
Alright, that got a good laugh out of me. Good show anon, let's see how many fall for it

if only Daisuke was man enough to btfo the trannyfaggots like this

>>715362234
The first game literally starts with Bayo making nonstop sexual innuendos about cocks. Bayonetta 2 is where the game started attracting yurifags due to the heavy focus on Bayo and Jeanne. 3 course corrected but by then it was too late.

>>715351431 (OP)
I am a yurifag but people who thought that bayo was a lesbian are genuinely retarded.

Yuri hate is so overblown on here. Aside from shitty gacha games, name one vidya fandom they "ruined" like so many anons on here claim they do.

>>715362548
>heavy focus on Bayo and Jeanne

Literally the first and last scenes only. The rest of the game is spent with Bayo flirting with Luka, arguing with Loki and sorting her daddy issues with the Lumen Sage

>>715362704
I don't think they ruined any fandom I just hate them because they are equally loud and obnoxious in every single fandom they're in

>>715362886
Every fandom I've seen them in has them outnumbered or at least outvocalized by antis such as this thread

>>715362504
you don't play Guilty Gear

>>715363098
not anymore, true. put 400 hours into Millia though

jewish people hate is so overblown on here. Name one vidya fandom they "ruined" like so many anons on here claim they do.

>>715363057
uh huh

trans people hate is so overblown on here. Name one vidya fandom they "ruined" like so many anons on here claim they do.

>>715363338
fallout new vegas

>>715363167
Runescape

>>715363365
that game was already woke

>>715363338

>>715363389
less 41% and more just fags in general, but yeah

>>715353306
> There are uncountably many numbers between 1 and 2 but none of them are larger than 3.

This. Death of the Author on /v/ is blatantly misused not to interpret freely but to spitefully contradict the clearly stated intent. Usually by saying
>well the “moral” is that X is bad but it’s written badly, so actually the moral is that X is based.

>>715351543
i'd say terrible bait but the replies say otherwise

>>715351571
>media literate
i don't exactly know what it means but i think my roommates are genuine retards and media illiterate. Like whenever we watch movies or shows they completely miss small things characters do, say, mean etc. Even big stuff, like we were watching severance and they were wondering why lumon was weird and i mentioned how it's treated as a religion/cult and then it clicked for them despite it being so on the fucking nose. They thought the show was weird and quirky. I know this makes me sound obnoxious but I have to stop myself from explaining shit for them because i know they miss the nuance even if it's obvious.

>>715360415
Based Temenos

>>715357335
This is just "fans" in general. I don't care that fanfic and fanart exists, but it's very clear a lot of these people are projecting their ideals and personalities into random ass characters because of one frame in a game that, in their eyes, very clearly justifies whatever bullshit they stand for.

>>715364353

>>715363485
That's such a random list. I can understand Celeste, Undertale, NITW and maybe some anime games but shootans?

>>715364568
It's much simpler than that anon

>piece of media is good
>people latch on to it

That's it. That's all there is to it.

>>715364568
Anon. that chart was a literally shitpost chart made on /v/. That Twitter retard believes it's real.

>>715352724
>Nah death of the author is retarded
>Anyways, fuck "le media literacy" retards, I don't care what the author wants
You're so close, chuddie. So close.

Shippers are legit mentally ill
I don't give a shit if it's yuri, yaoi, het, whatever the fuck
It is not healthy to get this fucking angry that two fictional characters aren't a romantic couple

>>715353221
>where there are obvious pieces intentionally left out of a story - things the author would clearly know - then it can be relevant if the author says yes/no to something later on
Nope. Fag shit. If the author didn't say it in the text, then your theories hold as much weight as the author's.

And Death of the Author extends even further. If an author makes a sequel, it's on you to decide if you respect that sequel or treat it as non-canon.

>>715351543
death of the author means all characters i like are homosexual even though that was not the point of the story at all

>>715353306
>Death of the author is a thing but not every interpretation is valid and some are objectively wrong
True, unless you get into silly "It was all a dream" kind of logic, which, hey, if it's how you genuinely interpret any work, good for you, but that is never gonna have any validity to anyone else.
>When an author is clarifying his intention to debunk some braindead headcanon, it's corroborating evidence not an authoritative statement.
If you need the author's word to corroborate your view of a work, then either you are a brainlet or the author failed. You should have more than enough evidence for your interpretation. Thus, the author's statement is meaningless. Either you can already explain your perspective using the text, in which case the author's statement doesn't matter, or you NEED the author's statement to try to get one up on people saying something you disagree with, in which case, the author failed.
>Death of the author is meant to apply when the author goes crazy and says something blatantly untrue and easily countered by citing the work
No, anon. It's not. It's about interpreting works broadly, and also in critique. It was not some safety mechanism invented to deal with a mindbroken author, lol, it was always from the perspective of discussing works.
>>715363684
Obviously some people are gonna be dishonest when discussing works, but that's just another thing to deal with on the internet. It's no different from dealing with a retard that goes "NO, I'M RIGHT, BECAUSE THE AUTHOR SAID THIS IN AN INTERVIEW"

>>715357690
No, retard. Death of the author predates any of your political mindrot. And it's just as useful to you chuds as it is to everyone else, as was perfectly illustrated with the Verhoeven example.

>>715364959
you are talking about your personal interpretation of the story.

The story that the author is telling is another thing. Two totally different entities.

The only thing up for debate is if the author's story actually included that thing at the time they created it, or if they tacked it on later.

>>715351543
wow you actually aren't allowed to use his art or vision you know. Without his permission I thought you were all about protecting IP and shit. Don't you care about fair rights?

>>715360118
cry moar if your feelings get hurt. In the end the voice of the mob sounds better than your pussy opinions.

>>715359652
Death of the author doesn't stop applying to adaptations, anon. Nor does the book author's intent somehow override the adaptation author's intent. When you're watching a movie, you're watching specifically what the adaptor took out of the book.

You could have two people adapting Animal Farm and have them both aim for completely different messages, which would also result in you having two different interpretations of two different movies (though not necessarily the same as what the author was aiming for)

Anyways, Starship Troopers, the movie, in my interpretation, doesn't actually say anything about fascism. Pretty much the only comments it has on anything fascism related is, ironically enough, the surface level aesthetics of it. A New Hope has as much to say about the Vietnam war as Starship Troopers has to say about nazis.

>>715365436
>The story that the author is telling is another thing. Two totally different entities.
Exactly. The story the author writes leaves his hands and is now consumed by other people. Possibly hundreds. Possibly thousands. Possibly even millions. Each person is gonna bring something new to the work and bring it under lenses that no single author could possibly account for, because the author is not a god.
The work has left the author's hand. He has "died".
Which is why, when discussing works, there is no value whatsoever to "BUT THE AUTHOR SAID THIS IN AN INTERVIEW"

>>715351543
>Just submit to the LGBBQ or else we will destroy your work forever
Is this the tolerant left I have heard so much about?

>>715365797
And all of those opinions are worthless because none of them know or understand the work better than the author does

>Bayo and Jeanne are not lesbians in the games
>The game maker also says they aren't lesbians
>Gigagoonsisters: "Chudigga-digga what what chudigga-igga in my butt ZAMN!'

>>715361568
>Death of the Author is absolutely Marxist slop
You're retarded
>but there are times when you have to apply it just due to circumstance.
You should always be applying it. What you take out of the works is what matters. Stop being a cuck.

>Which creator do I listen to, the ones who actually made the movie or two troons whose explaination directly conflicts with what they said and showed 20 years ago and, age wise, are as removed from the Matrix as half the posters on /v/ are from infancy?
Neither, you fucking retard.

>>715365797
Intellectually disgusting post

>>715366004
Anon, don't bother, this guy thinks that the law of universal enthropy is marxist >>715362360 , just sit back and laugh with me

>>715365939
Says who?
>The author
Exactly lol
But you read the same text the author published in full. That's the only text that matters. That's the work. It's what everyone else is reading and interpreting as well.
Obviously, you can just straight up misread something. But if you are reading everything accurately, then whatever interpretation you make that follows logically from that is as valid as anything the author says.

>>715365797
The author's interpretation of their own work is always going to hold more meaning than some random internet retard's sorry not sorry.

>>715362360
I laughed too

>>715366136
It has absolutely become fascinating that right-wing dudes are now the ones that are correctly applying death of the author but they're in denial and being utter retards about it, and meanwhile every day I see some leftist going "muh media literacy". All while people try arguing that it's marxism. The world is a funny place.

>>715351543
you will never be canon

>>715366197
Says basic logic, anon.

>hmmm who would know more about a subject? The person that came up with it, or someone who consumed it after the fact?

>>715362360
HOLY SHIT
Jordan Peterson sama... Posting on /v/
I love your mindrot
I kneel

>>715366360
There's no logic to this.
This is like saying that if someone comes up with an argument that you didn't foresee, he automatically wins because you have to consider it and come up with a rebuttal based on the new text that was presented to you.
Which, incidentally, means you just lost this argument if you believe that. Cause you weren't expecting me to say this. I came up with it. Now you have to think of something to deny it. "Basic logic" says that I'm the one that is right.

>>715366214
If some random internet retard's interpretation is bulletproof and you can only deny it in your mind by going "B-b-but the author said this outside of the text...", then that random internet retard's interpretation does indeed hold as much meaning as the author's.

>>715362360
now thats a proper schizo theory.

>Yuricucks still calling Kamiya out by name because they’re too retarded to understand what Bayonetta and Luka’s relationship was intended to be from the first game.

/v/ needs another split for degenerate sex addicts. Generals have their own place. You people need your own place too.

>>715364959
>your theories hold as much weight as the author's
It isn't a theory in this case though, it was thought out during the original writing. It is the original intention of the author, they just deliberately chose to not reveal that information.
I don't know why I'm bothering to say this though since your second statement is completely ridiculous and obviously wrong. It's fine to have headcanon but if it's coming from a single writer then it's obviously just not true.
It only gets blurry when you have a ton of writers over a long period of time like Warhammer or TES/Fallout. Then I'd say your interpretation is as valid as any other. Just because the IP holder says something is canon does not make it true, only the original writer can follow up their work with new work. C0DA isn't canon to TES though. Like I said, it's blurry.

>>715351543
>troonencopen

>>715367054
>It is the original intention of the author, they just deliberately chose to not reveal that information.
Then it wasn't there. Any interpretation that is congruent with the text of the work is valid. What the author says is irrelevant. It really is that simple.

>>715366942
Literally generals anon, no one actually talks about games in them it's all discord troons erping these days.

>>715366907
Bold to assume they actually played the game and weren't just trying to claim the FOMO character that their lefty e-celebe said was ok to thirst over from the str8s

>>715365797
A philosopher of our time was born in a shithole thread on /v/ Brings a tear to my eye

Anyone remember the time they attempted to DEI Joanna Dark. I don't because Microsoft killed it lol

>>715351431 (OP)
i'm not a pronoun
but sibling incest is hot too so nothing really changes

>>715367781
>le superbadass skinny white woman agent

was always woke, im afraid

>>715367216
It isn't.
If there's an object in a box that everyone in the story is trying to get but it isn't revealed - but the author knows what it is - then only the author's account is correct. It isn't diamonds or the shroud of turin or whatever else you might think it is, it's whatever the author decided it is at the time. Everything else is wrong unless they just happen to guess correctly. If he takes the secret to his deathbed then nobody will ever know.
Here, let's do an experiment, I'll write a one-sentence story:
>And when he turned around, anon saw... something.
I know what anon saw. You don't. Whatever you think he saw, you're probably wrong. There's no allegory here, it's just a thing that I'm choosing not to reveal. You can choose to headcanon whatever you think anon saw but you'll be wrong because when I wrote that sentence, I already knew what he saw.

>>715366301
The entire point of both concepts is simply to engage with the ideas and themes presented in the media. It's all just debate club bullshit about arguing what you took away based on what's actually fucking there and maybe bring in a greater context.

>>715367864
Why is her being white evidence she was “woke” to you? You retards can’t even get your shitposting straight.

>>715368120
No anon, that's how it SHOULD be, but nowadays it's been corrupted into 'how can I twist this into supporting my ideology' nonsense

>>715351431 (OP)
Based Kamiya. Fuck headcanon shit.

I was under the impression you people liked fetishizing lesbians

>>715368552
You know that scene in Scary Movie 2 where the butler with the fucked up, gross-looking hand slams it against the lemon pie and goes 'MY GEEERMS' and everyone is put off by that?

>>715368679
what's not hot about two sexy naked women kissing?

>Bayo flirts with Luka every time they are on screen together
>Has never, once, flirted with Jeanne
>BAYO IS GAY!

>>715368552
Yeah but see, a lot of the invading tourist newfags belong to that weird breed of puriteen zoomer who complains about 'forced sex scenes in movies' and shit like that.

>>715369178
i'm pretty sure it's just /v/ prison gays who've blackpilled themselves into hating women entirely

>>715369178
no i just know how gross real dykes are and am simply put off by fictional ones

>>715351431 (OP)
Kamiya obviously hasn't learned that western internet users are all mentally stunted like me.

>>715369291
>i just know how gross real women are and am simply put off by fictional ones

>>715368259
Git gud and argue your points better.

>>715353564
long neck is long

>>715369497
dykes don't look or act like women

>>715363485
I always knew Meleefags were degenerate lunatics.

>>715369710
but real women ARE gross. it's an indisputable fact yet if you unironically used it as an excuse to spurn fictional ones you would be rightfully mocked. and so should you be for having the same viewpoint about lesbos

>>715351431 (OP)
Why do people desperately want fictional characters to be something, usually something sexual in some way, they are obviously not?
I remember when the starwars sequel triology was coming out, and had ended, a lot of people wanted Poe and Finn to be gay for each other, and after it ended I knew people who were saying "They should have just made them gay if they weren't going to do anything with them" As if making them gay suddenly fixes their characters.
In various game media, people constantly want, headcanon, or outright delude themselves into thinking characters are gay, lesbian, or trans. I do not understand why people want or believe such drastic and wild changes.
TL:DR
Why do people constantly want, or believe characters are gay, or trans, or something else insane?

>>715367985
This is so stupid and it really exemplifies why Death of the Author is right and why you're a cuck.

>>715369883
a character that is a lesbian is one thing, but we're talking about fetishizing the homosexuality itself
nothing about that is sexy

>>715369939
People want the media they consume to reinforce their own thoughts, opinions and beliefs.

>>715369994
>nothing about this is sexy

>>715351543
You can make up in your head all copes you want. Won't change the fact that you will always be a powerless, retarded, pathetic tranny loser.

>>715361813
Kill yourself, freak.

>>715369939
>Why do people constantly want, or believe characters are gay, or trans, or something else insane?
Parasitism

>>715351431 (OP)
>/v/is now posting shipping wars
4chan really was the twin of tumblr in the end.

>>715351431 (OP)
Yuritrannies are not getting bullied enough. C/u/cks are the most deranged trannies I've ever encountered.

>>715351543
Only times the author should be dismissed is when they try to make the force a bacteria or Bridget into a tranny

>>715351543
I know its bait but the "dude" that was inserted was there from the beginning. He wasn't inserted.

>>715351431 (OP)
Classic case of people deluding themselves from something obvious since Bayo 1

Anything cringier than the concept of lesbian aunts?

>>715374357
Hey my lesbian aunt is actually extremely based, she got me a new PC for christmas and shits on my brother for smoking weed

>>715363485
>tony hawk
lmao both trannies and the people who freak out about them are all terminally online psychos.

>>715374209
>>715351431 (OP)
What is with newer generations and not being able to just have headcanons?
Why can't you just have the characters fug in your fantasy, why does it have to be canon?
Plenty of characters I like the idea of fucking eachother would never do so in the game or story, and that's okay. In fact, it's usually better for the overall story just less so for my dick.

>>715375221
Entitlement
I'm perfectly fine with headcanons even the ones I think are stupid because freedom of fiction and all that but when people get aggressive, demanding, and worst of all self-righteous about it, I draw the line. Go ahead, have your headcanon that *insert character* is trans or whatever, just don't be annoying about it adn try to demand people to conform to something you have no solid backing on

>>715362360
This is perhaps the most retarded shit I've read on this board in months.
Marx's theories were about economics and class conflict, that fucking it

>>715375221
The space and importance media takes on people's lives has grown larger and larger over time. Nowadays, your favorite movies, tv shows and games make up a big part of your life and identity, so you want them to reinforce everything else you already like and believe in

>>715374357
I think there's a subclass of women who really want to be child-adjacent but don't want to go through the whole childbirth and childrearing process so they've glorified wine aunts. Perhaps lesbian aunts are a subspecies of wine aunts.

>>715361813
ok, that's cool and all but, bayo isn't a lesbian
sorry this fact hurts your feelings!

>>715361716
He's right.
Having or not having a negro protagonist doesn't make Assassin's Creed games good.
AC was always shit, and only terminally online culture warriors from either side cared about that advertising campaign thinly disguised as a ""controversy"".

>>715352724
>>715351752
Death of the Author is fundamentally just an observation that once a work has been released to the public it is subject to public interpretation divorced from authorial intent.
That said, anyone that uses Death of the Author to lend credence to their own retarded, ill-informed interpretation while hiding behind it like a shield is a massive faggot that's abusing the concept. Given the choice between the author's interpretation of their own work of the interpretation of some pretentious, politically brain-rotted dickweed, I'd rather just listen to the author.

>>715376492
God, this

It was fucking surreal for every midwit under the sun to suddenly 'care' about AC after decades of rightfully seeing it as a slop series

>best in life?
To hear the lamentation yurifags ITT

>>715361813
I liked yuri when I was 13 and first discovering porn, and I grew out of it as I matured.
Yuri is a child's fantasy, a retard's idea of what makes a scenario sexy (hurr girls good so just add more girls), adults that are still obsessed with it are manchildren.
Also the yuri to troon pipeline is real.

>>715376687
If you need the author's words outside a work to explain your interpretation, you're a cuck

>>715351543
Bayonetta literally fucks a guy and has a child
theres no death of the author here
There is no lesbian shit to get out of this

>>715351543
Based
Tell me why this isn't the truth

My truth.

>>715351571
>Media literate

>>715378121
So what does that mean for people that you, a mentally ill troon, convince?

>>715351543
>death of the author
>media literacy
Which is it, dumb liberal?

>>715351431 (OP)
>there's a proper reason for it, but when I tried to depict it, platinum quit
what the fuck did he mean by this? I assume the MTL fucked up so what did he actually say?

>>715351543
It's so easy to bait niggers

If you use "Death of the Author" or "Media Literacy" in any unironic sense, please proceed with the following:
1. Purchase a Mossberg 500 from your nearest gun store. Make sure to properly purchase it via your state's laws. We want this to go smooth and easy. If they ask a reason, it will be "Home Defense."
2. Buy 00 Buckshot ammo. Smallest quantity will do.
3. Take everything home.
4. Load one shell into the shotgun.
5. Write a physical note detailing your faggot fantasies.
6. Interpret it with your "Media Literacy" as empowering and strong.
7. Place the muzzle of the shotgun into your mouth, aiming towards the center, and a little bit down, as if you were aiming for the back of your head.
8. Pull the trigger and blow your faggot brains out.

>>715379720
your pedagogic literacy is lacking anon

>>715379720
why would you bother with this shit with rope is much cheaper

>>715363338
ultrakill

>>715379720
>If they ask a reason, it will be "Home Defense."
What kind of cucked state asks the reason for your purchase

>>715363338
undertale
deltarune

>>715351431 (OP)
>make bayo bi
>include flirting scenes with jeanne and luka
>no canon pairing
It is literally that easy. Bayonetta is a witch who rides demons and spanks angels, she should be down to fuck literally anyone.

>>715364857
Recent times have shown that authors, for the most part, are cuckolds who are slaves to the whims of everybody else.

The author when the book was written isn't the same author as the one spouting off on Social Media things like "Dumbledore is gay and shit himself constantly, also these popular characters are black". Which is a real thing that a real author put to a real social media site and expects people to retroactively apply to a book that clearly didn't imply and even said the opposite of that.

>>715364857
fuck "Le media literacy" retards but also fuck you for thinking I have to interpret something the way the author demands that I do.

the "le media literacy" crowd are just hypocrites who demand everything is interpreted their way, with nothing left to interpretation. They believe media literacy is a real skill or even a researched field of study instead of their insane demand to be control freaks.

>>715351543
>>715351431 (OP)
Control freaks ruin culture. If you want to interpret it as that, that's entirely up to you but don't expect anyone else, even the person who made it, to believe that shit.

You're also retarded if you act like this is word of law. Interpretation is up to the reader and it just means your ability to interpret sucks.

>>715380865
>Bayonetta wants to be like her Mom. This was established Day 1.
>Luka wants to be like his Dad. This was established Day 1.
>Both are shown to take to parental roles quite easily. This was established Day 1.
3 has story issues, but Bayonetta and Luka getting together and having a kid wasn’t one of ‘em. They were showing signs of that from game 1.

>>715364857
>Nah death of the author is retarded
>Anyways, fuck "le media literacy" retards, I don't care what the author wants
Both of these can be true.

>>715351543
This is why nobody takes "yuri subtext" niggers seriously
You will literally refuse to acknowledge your headcanon isn’t some kind of hidden canon even if the author explicitly disagrees with you. Even though that’s literally what it is, for something to be subtext it needs to be put there intentionally. Otherwise the proper term is headcanon.
You do this shit about Madoka too.

>>715351543
>you WILL NOT accept the author's work as he intended and you WILL accept my interpretation of his work instead
Erm, that's problematic, sweetie.

>>715351431 (OP)
I don't care what this grifter says. The interpretation of characters is up to readers, not the author.

>>715363485
>exception of perhaps Serial Experiments Lain
This retard hasn't watched it then. So close to having an accurate point as well.

>>715364568
That's the joke. Trans "women" are men. So, naturally, they'll have male tastes (show me a single woman who's into Stalker or Pathologic.) These then get lumped into games with actual tranny themes (Celeste, etc.)

Just remember, they have male brains. There is no "transcore," there are games that men like that men continue to like when they decide to cut their dicks off.

Cute girls are cute when they're together

>>715351431 (OP)
>Lesbian Aunts
who's the mother (or father)?

>>715382104
This. Lain is literally, unironically anti masonic conspiracy theory stuff

>>715351543
>now let's look at bayonetta 3 ending

>>715353564
Dante deserves a happy ending too

>>715351543
>Have "True Love" be Bayo's theme with Luca
>It's been titled that since Bayonetta 1
>Meanwhile in anon's faggot brain
>They were clearly lesbians

>>715351543
Okay I GOTTA start pretending to be a woke tourist, it's clearly raking in the (You)s

>>715375221
>What is with newer generations and not being able to just have headcanons?
Desperate need for validation.

>>715385408
Dude I thought that was fucking Makoto from Persona 5 for a sec

>>715351543
>>715351571
"Death if the Author" is 1967 essay by the French literary critic and theorist Roland Barthes (1915–1980). Barthes' essay argues against traditional literary criticism's practice of relying on the intentions and biography of an author to definitively explain the "ultimate meaning" of a text.
The essay say Authors only write for get money and there arent hidden "meaning" in anything

It's not that it's yurifags that are delusional control freaks, it's that western fans of anything are just ugly people inside who are obsessed with sexuality and identity.

You can show something like pic related and instead of seeing it as an adorable piece of art about two girls who have a close friendship and bond, they have to always twist it into being about a sex fantasy or a scorepoint for their identity agenda.

They're just ugly people where friendships don't exist, only potential sex partners. Its sad because I think the whole point of ships was to headcannon because romance between friends is rare in fiction and compelling, but yurifags these days don't even want good ships, they just want more more more like the sight of straight female characters angers them.

When you see freaks upset about Bayo just remind them they can't have her, they can have Lara croft instead :)

>>715351431 (OP)
Yurifags cannot parse relationships.

>>715351543
>death of the author when it doesn't benefit my narrative

>>715375221
Because over the years creators became more in contact with their own fandoms and actually started listening to their fanbase demands, so now everytime Fujos/Yuri lovers don't get what they want they start throwing tantrums

>>715381543
You nailed it. These people can't tell the difference between actual narrative subtext and their own projection. If the writer doesn't intend it and there's no thematic or narrative support, it's not subtext-it’s just shipping fanfic with extra steps. Madoka's entire story literally revolves around cosmic despair and utilitarian sacrifice, not some "uwu lesbians but it’s subtle" interpretation. Just admit you want them to kiss and go.

>>715351431 (OP)
Wasn't Jeanne Bayonetta's mom?
or was she just a witch in the same group?
The last part of the game was pretty boring so I forgot

>>715360073
Gays are annoying, when you stop pretending to support them you begin to notice it more.

>>715369575
perfect for BWC throatfucks

>>715351431 (OP)
I had always assumed they were sisters honestly, like literal sisters.

>>715360997
>Have you any idea of how much gay art there is of one of the straightest characters in fiction?
I recall an uptick in tranny porn of him because of le funneh crown.

>>715366627
>If some random internet retard's interpretation is bulletproof
Literally never happened

>>715351543
Fuck you trannies commandeering Bayo. You faggots seethed at her when first announced. You have no morales

>>715386308
A somewhat common mistake

>>715356995
Nobody actually plays bayonetta games, that's the only explanation for why the yurishit got so annoyingly vocal

>>715351543
Excellent bait, it's amazing that there's still master baiters lurking on this board after all this time. Bravo! Enjoy your (You)'s.

>>715351543
>who cares what the homophobic moron says?
this but with faggotry cultists that can only destroy what others create

>>715359952
>>715360118
>>715363903
>>715379184
>>715385615
>>715391673
>these retards think they're above everyone else while still replying to me
You faggots are the worst because you don't even provide anything genuine. I don't want your (You)s.

>>715362159
>mfw I found out skinsuit is not another word for bodysuit
You were about 4s away from behind heavily slandered anon.
Hell I'll still call you biggay for those first 3, don't care if you dislike gachas they got some fine bonnie lasses.

>>715351431 (OP)
LGBTQ+ status?????