Thread 715378189

Why did Fire Emblem fall off so hard?

>>715378189 (OP)
People didn't realize 3h was fire emblem

>jannies autosage the last thread
>gamewar thread instantly up right after it dies
If anyone is still in doubt that this faggot has janny friends.

Right is such a dumbfuck ugly design. No, your gacha pic does not refute me. Now stop pretending to shit on the games you post to circlejerk about, faggot.

Engage is deeply unappealing. The designs are ugly, the story is shit, and the fan service for past games means nothing to the people who bought the 3DS games and 3H.

Three houses bad

Three houses would’ve been a big flop like engage was, thankfully that timeskip trailer got people interested.

>>715378189 (OP)
Three Houses had a somewhat intriguing plot (even if you think it's ultimately retarded) and the characters were generally appealing. The shit that came afterward was way worse in both respects.

These games have the most unhinged fanbases

>>715379169
I remember someone actually leaked all of it on Reddit, and we didn't believe it cause we were like "Timeskip designs for every character? Yeah right".
It's a great concept too for a story to make conflict against the other classes. But because the devs didn't really expect people to play more than one route, they didn't put much effort into making it easier to replay or vary the routes enough.

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>>715378663
>>715379367
Notice how not a single one of these posts mentioned gameplay

>>715378663
This applies double because if you aren't Japanese, you have no fucking clue who like half these people are, and don't understand why Fire Emblem is trying to cross over with Smash Bros all of a sudden.

However, Engage DOES highlight the problem that Fire Emblem keeps digging for itself. The gacha is out competing the main series. The gacha wins every time for people who don't care about gameplay, and just want to fawn over characters, and Fire Emblem cannot compete as a SRPG in terms of gameplay.
So they double down on what's working, which doesn't compete with the gacha, so it flops, quick, release another banner. It's a sad spiral.

>>715379609
Fire Emblem's gameplay sucks dick, dude. It's the worst SRPG on the market, you can trip over better indie slop on Steam before even touching SRPGs that are actually good.

>>715379753
>Fire Emblem cannot compete as a SRPG in terms of gameplay
Compete against what? Every other SRPG series in the genre is fucking dead.

>>715379824
bait used to be believable

I'm grateful to Engage.
It proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that marriage, fanservice and otakubaiting had zero relation to Awakening's success.

>>715379494
fixed

>>715379609
Because it's the same as the last one.

>>715379609
My favorite gameplay experience was Cindered Shadows. I prefer the older style FEs where a unit has a specific class they can use, and not being able to literally become anything. At most, Sacred Stones was cool cause there was an alternate choice (which is what Cindered Shadows had too for everyone).
Engage feels much better to play, because IS was working on an FE engine with Unity. They really need to stop chasing that Awakening high though.

>>715379975
If you're blind and retarded, maybe.

>>715378189 (OP)
Per the developers Fire Emblem Engage wanted the appeal of Awakening and Three Houses that brought the franchise to new heights. But took absolutely no notes on why those games succeeded at what they set out to do and why those two games hit financial and critical highs for the franchise.
Right now we're in a weird spot for the franchise where barring the next game performing worse than Engage or an Echoes-tier dropoff, there's at least something of a baseline around a million. But serious discussions are probably being held on how to replicate 3H numbers. No a fucking FE4 remake that's just going to prove everybody just jacks it off because the only way to play it was through emulation and a translation patch is not going to be the winner you think it is.

>>715379609
It's meh. Approachable enough for the casuals without feeling totally mindless (merely mostly mindless). Let's be honest, people haven't been buying a Fire Emblem for the gameplay in well over a decade.

>>715380086
The numbers are almost entirely a matter of market circumstances instead of design and they keep taking bad lessons from what sells.

bros i need to find this roy dancer edit

>>715378189 (OP)
only game in the series i've played was Awakening
i give it a 7/10
gonna play Three Houses next, hope it being a console game will be a big step up. should i do Normal or Hard blind?
Engage's protags look so retarded, it's difficult to even consider giving it a chance. idk why anyone would do that to their own game

>>715378189 (OP)
Engage is extremely ugly.
The character designs are repulsive.

Apparently engayge will sell less than SoV in Japan so take it as you will.

>>715379865
Fire Emblem is the only SRPG that has "mainstream" appeal. Because it's the only one that isn't a complete slog to play

>>715380413
I don't think that's true but also Japan is completely brainrotted by gachas in the modern day so I wouldn't be surprised.

>>715380456
>Because it's the only one that isn't a complete slog to play

>>715378189 (OP)
I don't care about sales

>>715380553
Fair point

>>715380292
>>715380325
It's a classic story
>"How do we make our new characters stand out from the old ones?"
>"Uhhhhh... Just make them more colorful and eyecatching! That makes them interesting and memorable! It doesn't matter if they look like clowns!"

>>715380591
How dare you

Yo everyone.
A friend and I are planning to do a Fire Emblem 6 Hard Mode draft race, and we're looking for one more person to join us.
We'll be using Discord for communication and livestreaming, as we want to play around the same time.
Is anyone interested

>>715380591
Intelligent Systems started designing FE games based on sales numbers nearly 20 years ago, so you should.

>>715380553
>Best gameplay
>Best story
>Best characters
Fe went downhill after that one.

>>715380656
Not true. There's no fucking universe in which they expected Echoes to sell

For me it's Shamir

>>715380627
Wait, are they not supposed to be like a theater troupe? I just assumed that was the thing alongside the wedding thing.

>>715380764
Kill yourself

>>715380292
Do maddening you pussy ass bitch.

>>715380727
They designed it to be cheap as fuck and quick as fuck to make. They didn't expect 3DS sales to tank so fast once the Switch came o

>>715380870
i want to have fun

>>715380292
If you enjoyed doing stupid grinding in Awakening, Normal mode lets you do that. It's what I did to max out every character's skill rank to S+. When you do New Game Plus, you can spend Renown to unlock class skills and ranks you've achieved previously. Hard is balanced and will take longer to do (can't grind infinitely but eventually you'll get good enough)
For the route choice, I do these recommendations, it's either between Blue Lions and Golden Deer.
Blue Lions has a straight forward focus on just your characters and the main war at hand.
Golden Deer delves into the actually history of the world and goes beyond the main war.
All routes basically cover same stuff during first half. Then you probably know about Black Eagles stuff but: It has a split choice. Default is mostly the same as the second half of Golden Deer but with a different final boss, this was the story that was originally written. And there's an alternate route which is the shortest of all of them, gives it a "DLC" feeling.
If the routes were shorter and better handled with pacing, I'd say Blue Lions then Golden Deer, but if you're not in the mood to play a 60+ hour thing more than once, go Golden Deer.

>>715380764
Cold, autistic mercenaries belong together

>>715380934
>If you enjoyed doing stupid grinding in Awakening
i didn't grind, but i played Hard and by the end i basically just used Chrom + Robin teamed up. it was boring.
if i do another route, do stats carry over?
my issue with FE is that i usually like hard games, but in FE if people die it kinda makes the game less fun.
so maybe Normal is better

>>715381161
Get good

>>715380965
She's for me

>>715381276
She is busy sucking Almyrian bbcs.
Sry but you got cucked Raul.

I want the Maid class to return...

>>715381276
She loves Kiren.

>>715381357
Good morning saar

>>715381357
kekarooo

>>715380456
Let's be real like >>715380553 pointed out, if the 3DS games didn't add shitloads of quality of life features this shit would've still been some D-list Nintendo franchise that in the 2020s would probably have been some list filler in a "List of dead Nintendo IPs" video and the SRPG genre would be dead outside of Falcom-tier low budget asset rehash projects and random indies cloning Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>715378189 (OP)
Engage is a different product for a different smaller audience, it's a niche product to lure in new potential fans for the main series. If you couldn't tell that from the character designs, dialogue and narrative, then I can't help you.

>>715381265
i wish the game required me to get good, that's kind of the point of a hard mode usually. but in Awakening it didn't make the game harder to beat, just less fun to play.

>>715381467
Awakening sold because the 3DS had no games.

>>715381467
Nigga you really think "Quality of Life features" are what made Awakening sell? Games don't sell on something that minuscule.

>>715381431
>Spic calling anyone saar

>>715381505
>Trying to pamder to the mass market is "niche"
Ok retard.