It's funny how he made all the music and writing for Castle Crashers and Battleblock Theater but he still isn't considered a "real gamedev", while his old colleagues are considered real gamedevs even though they haven't made jack shit
Stamper was molested as a child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dozlICMqqqQ&t=185s
>>715387035 (OP)maybe the heroine and crack addictions have something to do with that?
>>715387035 (OP)He did? I thought Tom Fulp was the main guy behind Castle Crashers, and that Stamper only did the narrator voice in Battleblock Theater. But it's true that at least some of the games he was involved with were eventually released. That Nightmare Cops game is a mismanaged disaster, given how long it's been in development hell. Sad to see what happened with Stamper. Despite all his faults, he was one of the strongest and most charismatic personalities in SleepyCabin.
>>715387035 (OP)>music>writingso he's a writer and musician
not a game dev
>>715387920Didn't Dan Paladin do more of Castle Crashers?
>>715388026and a heroine addict
>>715388115please spell it correctly, ESL.
>>715388115'ate waifufags...
>>715387035 (OP)What the is this complaint even about? Who gives a fuck about what stamper "is considered"? what a trivial fucking thing to worry about.
castle crashers music was from lots of different creators on NG thoughie
Let it go his era of online videos has been dead and gone for so long you should not be still thinking about this man
>>715387035 (OP)All the music for Castle Crashers was taken from random Newgrounds musicians
>>715388295being a game developer something that needs to be clearly defined because then every retard with a twine game can call themselves a game dev
>>715387035 (OP)Didn't castle crashers rip its music from geometry dash?
didnt your last thread get sent to /b/
two oneyplays threads on /v/ at once? did something happen to you, dingdong?
>>715390332>I dont want drama, but let's spend 8 hours on game title talking about drama>I dont want to be known as a letsplayer or a character, but here's some gaming streams and a funny alien character avatar to represent meI like dingo but the way he contradicts himself peeves me!
>>715390938>8 hours8 years
>>715389414They out themselves right away as the weird fuck obsessed with dingus if you point out how they spam these every fucking day. Yesterday's thread got sent to /b/ by the mods.
>>715387035 (OP)That's not Waterflame
What happened to Waterflame?
>>715389175Yeah, they used a time machine to accomplish this.
souce: my dad works at newgrounds
stamper is better off without those chumps he keeps it real
>>715391442eight years and they have multiple threads up right now lol
>>715391701this
if you say anything they always start going on about how you spend 8 hours of your life defending chris or dingdong lmao
Genuinely feel bad for this guy, he just as far as I knew, wanted to be a stupid goofy guy who did voice acting, then he started doing drugs and heroin? Doesn't add up, I think his toxic circle of friends etc or lack of family maybe pushed him into it.
>>715395852The other thread noticed it but they post these on a schedule and do it the same time every day. They bump their own thread when it is about to hit page ten meaning they keep this open in tabs and constantly check on it.
>incoming OP bumping his inactive thread
>>715390332>>715390938Learning that fag was a notorious drama whore on mfgg years ago made everything make sense.
>>715397849correct and even tried to make it about dd again lol
>>715398459Weird I thought it was supposed to be a Stamper thread. Funny how these things go.
>>715387035 (OP)David Orr did a lot of the music for Castle Crashers.
>>715400993afraid of hitting page 10?
>>715387035 (OP)What's he up to these days? I haven't heard from him in a while.
>>715401038he was discussing video games genuinely
>>715396291>Me after I started eating ass
>>715401310>hebro it was 3 threads before hitting the limit and you replied to your own thread again
you arent fooling anyone after yesterday bro lol
>>715388026>artist>not game dev>director>not game dev(Kojimasissies!!?)>coder alone(30% of modern teams)>game devNah.
>>715387035 (OP)Sad that stamper cpuldnt get his shit together. He would have eadily been a big hit on smiling friends.
>>715401095Last thing I saw eas him uploading some of his porn animagions to youtube in one of his classic get banned from a platform speedruns. I feel like that was at least two years ago. I assume he sucking someones cock for percs in a flyover state while I type.this.
>>715387275I wonder how much he regrets telling this story
>>715387035 (OP)I only know him from pic rel
>>715387035 (OP)>>715387920>>715388080dumb misinformation everywhere. Castle crashes OST was made from various newgrounds creators. you can find the songs all on newgrounds.
e.g a bunch of the tracks are by waterflame.
Stamper only made the volleyball theme.
He did some songs for Battleblock theater too. he has never made a full OST.
>>715410521they're all fags
>>715389147If you made a game you are a game dev
It doesn't matter if it's good or how complex it is
>>715395174Stamper's got an interesting idea of "choking old games" with full remasters for relevancy/modern console rereleases and very cheap or free DLC updates that add functionality
>>715411208If you made a game you are a game dev but just because you contributed to a game does not mean you are a game dev
>>715407691Where's the misinformation in claiming that Castle Crashers was mostly the work Tom Fulp and Dan Paladin?
>tfw the entirety of sleepycast either became drug addicts, suicide, or successful on adult swim
>>715410521He speedran becoming a fag. Jon was quick to dump GG despite how successful they where.
My son as I have been waiting for the CC DLC for a year and the shit still hasn't released. Also, zero update on the BBT upgrade while their new game is dogshit and not even coop.
>>715412291who kys'd himself?
>>715410521Every dude on Newgrounds is. Oney is basically a slightly edgier Egoraptor.
>>715411208Stamper never made a game.
People don't actually watch Oneyplays, do they?
Remember Bowlbo? Me neither.
>>715412990Why Chris made a trailer and steam page for something that was nowhere near complete is baffling.
>>715412946I haven't really watched them in a while. I will if Zach ever comes back.
>we're gonna make Nightmare Cops!
>still not released
>we're gonna do Bowlbo!
>still not released
>we're gonna do Tough Bippy
>still not released
Boy, I sure love all those hard working Newground devs! How long has it been now?
So funny, so many people involved with Newgrounds and yet the only two people who "made it" was Zach and Vizziepop. Fucking disgusting.
>>715413126He operates under the logic that once he announces a project then he'll have no choice but to finish, then he starts falling behind and the expectations just hang over his head instead of lighting a fire under him so he quietly gives up
>>715413480I remember thinking to myself that Vizziepop's art style always had enormous amounts of potential. It was very distinct, and yet very appealing. It wasn't surprising to me, that she went on to become very successful. But I don't care enough to actually watch her popular shows; I'd also add that Tom Fulp did quite well for himself.
>>715411763because they're talking about the music.
of which dan paladin only made trickies song.
>>715387035 (OP)Why did he do it?
>>715387035 (OP)Is the guy who takes tickets at a concert a musician?
>>715413284Tom Fulp and Dingdong both released a game by now
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>>715414424It was just his turn.
>>715396384Iirc he wasnโt legally allowed to work in the state they lived in and instead of trying to do literally anything about that he got into drugs, could be wrong though that shit is ancient.
>>715412685>>715412715>they don't know about jeff
>>715388746>If something is old you should never talk about it ever
>>715417318Oh, yeah. He was supposed to kill himself by 2018, if Nightmare Cops wasn't out by then, didn't he?
>>715417706>he doesn't know how much the phone call with cops silently fucked up chris and cory when the police called them to see if they could identify his body
>>715387035 (OP)Im probably the only person that has a lot of his weird youtube posts
>>715418570With his golden voice he would have made a great children's entertainer (OneyPlays cast member)
>>715418570as much as i like stamper someone needs to tell him to get his shit together and stop acting like a retard sometimes, a tard wrangler if you will
>>715418725His response to that kind of thing is precisely why he lost his friends
He doesn't want someone that tries to help, he wants people that will just be there and accept what he does
>>715411401Literally nobody asked for knight customization, and don't pretend you did either or you'd be a fucking liar and liars go to hell.
>>715418975>Literally nobody asked for knight customization, i did
>>715387035 (OP)Yeah it's pretty obvious Nightmare Cops and Bowlbo are never coming out. Neither are any of the Ding Dong and Julian games like Trigger Treat kek
>>715419553>AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE A BIG DICKWait, so it's been a lie this whole time? Him having a big dick was a thing since way back and all the other newgrounds guys seemed to agree with his assessment, in earnest. Strange
>>715419430>bowlboactual gamedevs left
>nightmare copstom fulp always working on 5 projects at once
>dingdong and julian gamesthey released two and are developing trigger treat
>>715419935>they released twoWhat, the browser game and the tetris clone?
>>715419726Stamper has sucked hundreds more dicks now than he had back then, he has a bit more perspective regarding dick size
>>715420173>names two gamesyes
I have a Stamper story.
Back in 2015, I went to the Penny Arcade Expo with a few friends. Late one night, long after friends had gone to bed, I went to go smoke outside. I had recently turned 21 and was debating going out to the bars, as I was the oldest in our group and wanted to explore that freedom and such.
Ended up meeting a girl, mid/late 20s' outside the hotel who joined me for a smoke - dream come true for a guy out of town. We ended up chatting for a few hours, and after bar close, we walked across Seattle together to a run-down gas station to pick up some Cider Stella Artois - just about the only thing we could find at 3AM. We hurried back to the hotel I was staying at and drank them in the lobby - drunkenly playing card games, chatting, etc. We ended up parting ways after a hug. I met up with her the next morning - shared a few cigs and drinks, and went off on our separate ways to go enjoy the con.
That evening, we met up again. She excitedly brought me to a table with a few open spots in a ritzy hotel bar. As I did my best to fit in with bar culture, I noticed that a few people at the table were familiar - as she started introducing us to them and they us, I was floored to realize we were drinking with the original Newgrounds team - Tom Fulp, Dan Paladin, Stamper, etc.
I downed a few Long Islands and could tell that the girl I'd met was trying her hardest to fuck one of them, which I left her to - I wasn't about to play that game, nor did I really care to (I *was* in a relationship at the time, and despite the opportunity being right there, I knew it'd be something I regret.)
I met her again the next morning after she'd come from Stamper's room. She was pretty excited about the lay, which was hard to not cringe at, as she'd just been kicked out of his room.
I still wonder how she's doing sometimes. I think about her every time I hear about Stamper. And continue to lmao at what has become
Happily married now w/ kids. YGMI and WAGMI (except Stamper)
>>715414386I have played through that game inside and out, no way stamper had shit to do with it
>>715403819How bad did he get diddled?
>>715420173>What, the browser game and the tetris clone?Well, at least they keep the scopes of their projects in check. Can't say that about the other "devs" on that list.
>>715387035 (OP)mfw I finally figured out why I still liked stamper more than everyone else after all these years
>I turned out just like him
>>715414424I love the story of Chris's parents watching Super Slumber Party and almost falling out with him for half a year over it.
>>715422759link to him talking about it?
>man who never did anything related to game development is not a game dev
Shocker.
>>715423236https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFe8bf1WwU
>>715420173 Yeah, and they were both more competent and functional than whatever vaporware Stamper and Fulp have been dangling for a decade. At least Ding Dong and Julian actually finish shit-even if it's weird, tiny, or full of frogs screaming at you.
>>715387035 (OP)I saw that pic and thought it was me for a second
>>715401975quite literally the bam margera of the newgrounds/sleepycabin crew.
>>715424202what the fuck is with these guys attracting the worst possible shit in each other's lives. it maybe was for the better chris, zach, and cory jumped ship when they had the chance.
>>715425606>jumping ship>still friends with adam paloin
>>715425856adam seems tame next to scumbag mick and drug addict stamper.
>>715424202Damn Mick had a near-fatal cucking that might have finished him off if he was 150k poorer? Get fuckin power-moved, idiot
>>715387275Iโve always thought this episode whenever a Stamper thread would pop up or whenever he was mentioned.
>>715419726Wasnt his thing that his balls sagged into the water when he sat on the toilet
>>715387275They either don't know or don't care about getting groomed or molested as kids.
Corey had a story about how his babysitter and her boyfriend tried to pressure him into making out with his sister when they were kids. And just like Stamper, the sleepyniggas were just like, "oh that's weird haha," and moved on.
>>715426197I always try to imagine how his facial expression shifted as it dawns on him that he just confessed to getting gay child molested and nobody even reacted and then Cory is treating seeing some fags on a tv show as a comparable story
>>715426353The amount of stories he's told and that rap track he dropped being obvious cries for help that everyone just brushed off as 'ha ha stampy u so funne' is mindboggling
>>715387035 (OP)Thoughts on this apparent joke from Niall and Stamper about pushing a guy onto train tracks and replacing the body with a dog's in October 2018? Recorded October/November 2018 not sure
https://vocaroo.com/31yl0FO77Kx
>>715418086>>715417318https://x.com/JohnnyUtahNG/status/1942817120796172381
>>715426923You don't even want to know about that guy, dude
>>715426981oh i see its le funny tomar is a psychopath r/oneyplays fan humor
>>715387035 (OP)making music isn't gamedev
Is Jeremy Soule considered a gamedev? No he was just a composer.
Same goes for writing.
>>715427065He's more like an e-homeless man now
>>715426353Well yeah, not everyone has to be deeply scarred about getting molested. I was molested by males and it didn't ruin my psyche. If you're just that kinda person like me or them it's just a funny story to tell your closest friends.
>>715407691Stamper did a few tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgouq2y-_xg
>>715426584what the fuck is actually wrong with these people
>>715401975thats one of the most rough late thirties i saw
he looks late 50ties
seriously kids, dont do drugs, shit will fuck you up
>>715387275I'm almost certain he made this shit up. Stamper lies constantly for attention.
>>715426584jeff must have some seriously bad luck constantly getting stuck in the middle of shit like this kek
>>715432284He does lie constantly but usually either to look cooler or about how someone he knows is a piece of shit
If nothing else the general direction of his life does lend plausibility to the claim of getting nonced
>>715425035The best member, but can't get his shit together?
>>715418327cute
>>715418570creepy as fuck
ok, after the first one i didnt see whats the problem ... then i read the second post and instantly got weirded out
nothing weird about being nice to little kids, but the moment you start treating them like adults and using words like "atraction" and "bitch" you rise enough red flags
>>715418725desu only way to straighten people like this is with a family, while hanging out with other creeps and drug addicts he will become weirder and weirder
those people can legit not even be bad people, may be very friendly, but after literally 20 years of no normal human interaction you dont even reale how weird you come off
thats why the jew plan of breaking up the family unit sits as the core of destroying the west
>>715426584You guys are retards
>>715426584I feel so bad for Niall and Jeff in the clip, they were very concerned with no response
>>715432590You almost had something going there until that last part.
Have you tried not being a chud and touching grass?
>>715413284And they mock Yanderedev for never delivering a game. It's been 6 years since Bowlbo's announcement. I've noticed a pattern of eceleb and youtube essayists pundits who talk a lot about how they're working on their dream game, and then it ends up being vaporware a-la Yandere Simulator. Still waiting for Matthewmatosis' 2D action game, haven't forgotten about it either.
Cum-chalice retard was the sacrificial lolcow first to learn that making a game takes forever unless you're a workaholic.
>>715433601thanks, i try to remind people who is the real problem and about Palestinia genocide when i can
the fact im living trough a west sponsored genocide and not many care is a real blackpill on how easy goys are to manipulate
>>715413284Fulp has new Castle Crashers on the way. Dingus has two games out now. Nightmare Cops had a demo at conventions. No fucking clue where Bowlbo is.
>>715432186>seriously kids, dont do drugs, shit will fuck you upthe tradeoff is that heroin is scientifically the best anyone can ever feel in their entire life.
so if things are shitty then fucking things up more doesn't seem so bad.
>>715413284At least there were no Kickstarters.
>>715426584>2010s listening to sleepycast>believed these were jokes>turns out he is actually this much of a drug addict and alcoholicshit is uncomfortable to go back to listen to where you see how most of this group ended up
>>715415769tom fulp released games 20 years ago.
>>715413284>Boy, I sure love all those hard working Newground devs! Funny thing is during their "Indivisible" LP on OneyPlays, they kept shit talking the devs because they threw shade at newgrounds. It's really funny to me in hindsight that at least these devs actually put out a game, while these guys just don't have the fortitude to get their games done.
>>715434193Oney and Cory are the outliers. Jeff made lots of shit for other games and Swain made games too.
>>715432468pretty much. a monkey's paw.
>>715434282doesnt spazkid keep saying how nightmare cops is better
>>715434107Relistening to Sleepycast it's crazy how much of the shit they said has poorly aged. They shit talk Let's Players, shit talk LA, shit talk "prudes" in favor of Shรคd, Mick is described as the "nicest of the guys"...
>Molested as a child
>Grows up to become a child molester
many such cases
>>715434467it's honestly depressing going back listening to those old episodes...back at a time when they were all buds. still good laughs, but bittersweet.
>>715434467they still shit talk LA. only Lyle gets mad when somebody shit talks it.
>>715434640The main point is that they talk about how you "don't and shouldn't go to LA for animation/business". Especially Zach hammered in this point. Now he's in LA.
>>715434640then gtfo already they have been there for a decade lol
>>715434049It's horrible, it's a Lovecraftian drug. Giving you a pleasure that's to intense that it overrides all of your senses and desires.
And there were doctors who prescribed oxycodone that made so many people addicted to that type of high that they sold their houses, quit their jobs and abandoned their families to keep getting high. There's literally no escape, it ruins your life for good.
In every street interview homeless addicts always say they wish they didn't know what it was like, that they never took it in the first place. It's truly a nightmare.
>>715434712everybody but chris and lyle left
>>715434798oh yeah and zach I guess
>>715434416does nightmare cops even have any hype left? it feels like everyone realized that the wait wasn't worth it so they just moved onto different games
>>715434707Zach hammered home the point that you should only go to LA if you need to do things like make contacts and pitch to studios directly. He said to stay in your flyover state if you're just looking to animate but not necessarily get on a TV network.
>>715434467>Mick is described as the "nicest of the guys"You really start to notice how much Mick fits the "Nice Guy" stereotype when you listen back to his sleepycast and oneyplays appearances. He's always buttering people up and trying to be non-confrontational (for the most part), fake laughing, toxic positivity. You can really tell that he grew up as an outcast due to his weight and race/nationality.
Making music isn't gamedev
>>715434868probably all the silence around it. would have had fnf's hype if it came out first.
>>715435013When he talked about how he started seriously dating a stripper the warning bells started
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>>715434890Him and Chris said they would never do lets plays
>>715434890I genuinely don't get why Chris lives in LA, other than staying close to his cohosts. He complains about it being a shithole, the rent is probably insane too. Tomar left already.
Zach actually has a reason since he made it big, but Chris' career is internet only.
>>715435105>puts up nft collection>calls fans retards for buying nfts
>>715410521>Had the best output from any newgrounds dev>Actually released animations frequently >They were always 10/10>Started letsplays early and is basically the founding father of YouTubers >Is still a massively successful millionaire by hanging out in his pajamas and playing fucking video games all day>Writes music, performs at concerts, is a literal rock star for video game parodiesI think Anons just hate him because he had to drop jontron when he got redpilled and unhinged and doing too many racist jokes. Also his wife is 6/10 and people seem to think millionaires should always have a bimbo wife.
I grew out of egoraptor when I was 17 but he undeniably the #1 newgrounds dev.
>>715435147I know, I'm not claiming they haven't gone back on anything, just that Zach did specifically throw in a caveat to his "don't go to LA" thing that covers his current situation
>>715435254I'm surprised more people haven't called him out for his nft practice he did a while back
>>715435254He's in LA now. Working in the entertainment industry. Trust me, you won't be able to recognize him in 2 years.
>>715435325People overlooked a lot that these retards did. Oney was meant to be /ourguy/ similar to Egoraptor.
>>715435105>SF confirmed for like 4 seasons>Zach's on record saying he only wants to do 4~5 seasons of SF max so it doesn't get staleI wonder what he's going to do next... maybe Chris sticking in LA will pay off once Zach and he are free to repitch hellbenders
>>715401609You can make a game without music, art or writing. You cannot make a video game without code.
>>715435412It's already stale after 2 seasons. They've done nothing with the characters. The characters don't even have any personality, except for Mr. Boss. Pim and Charlie are just nothing. They have no recognizable personality traits.
>>715435325He blanked out the website for his NFT grift and deleted his tweets when there was a /co/ thread about it
>>715435502I mean, it's just a comedy cartoon so it's not too complex, but you're totally wrong. Pim is idealistic, while Charlie is a pesimist. Those are their main traits. Other than that they're basically Cusack and Hadel.
>>715435105genuinely feed proud of him
>>715433916>bla blah da joos are responsible for why i can't get a gf!
>>715435502the personality is when they do the ' trail off into a realistic mumbly overlapping conversation' bit twice every episode
>>715435620that he betrayed everything he said beforehand and became the new rick and morty?
I donโt understand why people wank off newgrounders
>>715435502I have to agree, season 2 felt very underwhelming mainly because of how short the episodes are (11 minutes)
I really hope AS gave zach and micheal the full 22 minute program runtime for season 3
>>715435262he outed himself as a drooling retard which dispelled the veil of credibility he used to have.
the world doesn't need more DSPs
>>715435768their reddit audience spergs out if you shit on them. they google their names and complain if someone criticized them on a body building forum 3 years ago.
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>no 8 hour meltdown streams
>no broken spine
>no drug addiction
>no twitter spergouts
>no hypocrisy
>no drama
how does he do it
>>715435262none of that is accurate
Okay okay, but what's new in the life of Cory Delaminguez?
Btw does anyone have the sleepycabin clip where they made up that name? I've seen it mentioned but I really wanna hear it.
>>715435617>I mean, it's just a comedy cartoon so it's not too complexIn ATHF, every character has defining character traits. That's what carries the show and makes it fun to watch.
In Venture Bros, every character has defining character traits.
Even shit like Family Guy and Rick and Morty has actual characters.
Pim and Charlie are nothing. The best you can do is say "Pim is slightly more naive/idealistic and Charlie is slightly more pessimistic". Underline "slightly" 300 times over. Pim will be more pessimistic than Charlie or Charlie will be more naive than Pim in given moments. Which makes sense, because "pessimism and optimism" aren't defining character traits you can have as your only shtick.
>>715435942>no dramait is newgrounds so there 100% is
>>715435942By being unnoticed and ending up as everyone else's whipping boy. You know it is true.
>>715387035 (OP)This thread still makes me kek
https://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/95009/1
>>715435989they're both straight men that keep the thing grounded. The point is every episode has a different weird character they get involved with.
>>715413480hey man, the patchman guy created the cult of spirit science
>>715434467>We Live in a post-Shad world where he's no longer in the limelight>Everything is worse
>>715436094reads like it was written by ai
there is no retention of informations, and stampers story keeps changing like he keeps forgetting last post
>>715435989Family Guy absolutely does not have actual characters, they're whatever the joke/story needs at a given moment. Every single character can pick up or lose 50 IQ point at any given time.
>>715436395I think that's the joke.
>hadel distances from stamper, ricepirate, oney
>gets a show
was that the secret? these retards seem like poison to each other.
>>715436985He never distanced himself from Oney.
>>715436985RicePirate and OneySephiroth were in that show and one did the music for it as well
>>715437036>never on the channel anymore>appearances were recorded a year ago
>>715436985he didn't distance mick until the power move
>>715437063funny how that is the most they could get and were not considered worth hiring on as writers or animators
>>715436985oney works for them on smiling friends, hes responsible for music and animation for the show
>>715437116Your point was that he "got a show" after distancing himself from Oney. When he got it while still being on the channel, and also has Chris as a voice actor and composer for the show. And now he isn't on anymore because he's probably a lot more busy now.
>>715435989Bro the wiki for Smiling Friends is just a listing of jokes they lifted from Oneyplays. You watch it if you are familiar with web culture since it is nothing otherwise.
>>715437184It's not that funny, should Zach and Michael have gotten all of their friends to perform every aspect of the show that they possibly could? Mick considers himself a voice actor more than anything, just have him do some voice stuff. Chris has the least trouble staying focused when he's doing music, get him to focus on that.
>>715437291How is Hellbenders going?
>>715437184>>715437362they dont have the budget even if they wanted to hoop up their friends
>>715437428Ask Zach, that was his project too
>>715437660So he is what makes things happen while the other does lets plays?
>>715437428Adult Swim owns the rights to it. If a creator wants to pitch their show to a network, the network will buy the rights to the IP, regardless if they're going to greenlight it or not because they don't want to be the retards that passed on the next SpongeBob. Plus, Chris is literally in Smiling Friends and straight up acknowledged by Adult Swim.
https://youtu.be/truRRCXAnzc?t=2m24s
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
zach wanted chris-chan to voice the grease puddle but adult swim said no
>>715437775Wanted to see how oddly indepth & argumentative you were going to get. Sounds like you have a lot of knowledge on this subject ;-)
>>715437838They said yes but not as a one-off, he would have to do 3 or 4 characters if they were gonna pay him and Zach decided Chills was worth more as a cameo
>>715437879>its a schizo thinks hes talking to the e-celeb he obsesses over episode
>>715437965isnt that always these threads? OP literally is one of those.
>>715437763You could just as easily say that Zach is equally as bad as Chris and Michael is the one that made something happen despite Zach, the point is retarded
Chris and Zach admitted that they both botched the pitch for Hellbenders
>>715435942I love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe. Would love to see an entire episode of Smiling Friends written by him.
>>715436843yeah you JUST missed it
>>715434640link to lyle getting mad about LA shit talking please, that sounds really funny
>>715438205Adventures of Chris, 26 minutes into the Complete Series:
https://youtu.be/cMXmVMK2wZ8?si=CfNLxcZNOwSJlldk&t=1573
>>715435262>Started letsplays early and is basically the founding father of YouTubersI was watching lets plays on something awful like 5 years before they started doing game grumps
>>715437917>and Zach decided Chills was worth more as a cameoI think it was more to do with the fact that they had already finalized Chills's cameo beforehand. If they had known about the stipulation, I guarantee they would've gotten Chris Chan instead.
>>715438205it was just him going on a tangent when they played adventures of chris and they got to the LA level which had smog everywhere
>>715438361I don't know if they would, Zach really loves Chills but among his friend group I'd say he's on the lower end of Chris-chan obsession
>>715387035 (OP)thats not my problem niggatron
>>715387035 (OP)I miss newgrounds
>>715421286Hope you're doing okay dude
I don't know anything about their personal lives, but I liked the Castle Crashers episode recently with Tom Fulp where he said nothing for about 2 minutes while the rest were being retards
Corey is faggoton relationship with a man lmfao
>>715438642and oney got cucked by lsmark LOL
>>715435775The full 22 minutes doesn't work for their kind of thing, or at least it didn't for Cusack
>>715438340man what a faggot he is
>uuuuuh let's ban people from out of town from the freeways, that will clean up the cityso will deporting him and his entire bean eating race
>>715435942>Pulls out the cholo voice for the 10th cartoon in a row.>It's funny every single time.
>>715435942did not expect him to look like that
>>715438702You got the timline all fucked up. Oney cucked his gf by visiting his ex-gf with cancer (it enraged his gf). They break up and she immediately starts fucking Ricepirate Nig, who had been whispering into her ear like Grima Wormtongue since before the break-up. Then She dates LSMark for a bit but she decides to cuck LSMark with Mick. But LSMark starts crying so she breaks it up with Mick and marries 19 year old LSMark.
>>715438808only an actual insane retard would care this much about what he said
>>715438897so he got cucked
>>715438897so oney was a retarded cuck with other retarded cucks being involved too
>>715438023Zach actually has the work ethic to see shit through. Chris is lazy and get bored with everything.
>>715438967No he and his lady broke up
for me it's sleepycast, please stop talking, trash taste and lemonade stand
Apparantely hellbenders didnt get picked up because of another AS cartoon already had 'hell' in it's title. I don't think that one was very successful, almost definitely would've been less succesful than hellbenders, as we can see with SF.
>>715438596It's even funnier when you realized he cultivated those retards himself. He wouldn't have been there if he hadn't praised The Sicksons.
>>715438897You know a lot of specifics about this huh ;-)
>>715439010Smiling Friends getting greenlit years and years after Hellbenders failed isn't proof of that though
>>715439083Yes this is Chris O'Neill
>>715438897This makes him sound like an even bigger cuck.
>>715439198I don't know it wasn't his actual wife like with Mick. I think that's probably the reason Mick had such a hard-on for cucking Oney. He tries to undo his cucking by becoming the bull
>>715439139*picks lice out of treasure trail* holy shit dude I'm your biggest fan!
It's funny how often Chris brings up "when I have kids" and "well in the future when I'm married".
Bro it's not happening.
>>715439360So he cheated on her and she cheated on him?
>>715439407Chris can at any moment pluck up a 20 year old boyfriend free oneyplays fangirl to creampie day and night, so yeah it is happening. He's not a woman, he can have kids super late.
>>715439447I have no idea where you're getting lost with this but I'm sure you are
>>715439447He emotionally cheated, which is worse than cheating through sex
>>715439497Yeah whenever he wants, any day now. In the future of course.
>>715439498You said he cucked her. Learn what cucking means you dipshit.
>>715439497he probably legit thought this when he bagged veronica lol
>>715439498Cuck doesn't mean anything anymore does it?
>>715439549No I didn't. This is why I had no idea where you got lost
>>715439549I'm sure you're well acquainted with what it means to get cucked
>>715439497>>715439407>>715439539Chris is good looking, charming and has a good heart. He's also mega talented.
If he doesn't have a chance, what chance do we have?
>>715439730holy shit dude get over yourself lol god damn
>>715439730Chris is unironically a very handsome man.
Oneyfamily agrees
>>715438897>random harry potter referencehi oney, thanks for correcting the record
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>>715439959How embarrassing
>>715439880he balding lmao
>>715439962Holy fucking shit the resemblance is uncanny.
>>715439959Yes this is Oney.
But that's a LOTR reference not Harry Potter retard
>>715419553I don't mean to be rude. But I think there might be a chance this story has some embellished elements to it.
>>715440110So you cheated on your girlfriend for your ex? Then got cucked?
>>715440148Yes saar she had amazing big
>>715439880What the hell look is hadel going for? He looks like a shriveled rat doing a top gun cosplay. Serious theater kid aura.
>>715435942i thought that was lee
>>715439962jfc, an actual worm in human clothing
>>715439962This is fucking hysterical
>>715440265This moment traumatized Zach. Ever since he was caught looking like a stereotypical nerd wearing an oversized suit he hasn't been seen without sun glasses since. You have to over-compensate a bit after something like that.
>>715439962His famous trench coat he met Cory in
>>715440493He looks funnier here and more modest. Every recent photo he looks like he is trying to cosplay as a fratboy.
>>715440493I remember for a while he was autistically begging people to not post pictures of him online,I guess he gave up.
>>715440265I'm pretty sure the zach has sensitive eyes, he mentioned that during their hollowknight playthrough and whenever he's not wearing sunglasses in public it looks like he's squinting
>>715440649have you seen the schizo that photoshops lyle onto photos of twinks? its not retarded to stay away from photos when you have an audience of actual fucking mental ward patients.
>>715440493>>715440649He's in on it, in that one VR chat vid he uses a PS1 style model of this one picture
>>715430153people don't like to think about this, but getting molested at say... 7 is way different than getting molested at like 12
>>715440493He probably just got sunglasses that match his prescription and doesn't bother changing back and forth when he's out and about
Guy's eyes suck dick
>>715439962This is what happens when you get cucked by LSMark
>>715440769I have not, does Lyle think it's funny? seems like something he would chuckle over
>>715440794I remember he was very adamant over not having his face posted online, I guess over the years he relaxed on this and now doesn't mind.
>>715441092probably has to for adult swim photoshoots
>>715441092Once it's done, it's done. Making a big fuss won't help you in any way, chilling out about it is literally all you can do
>>715440493It's funny seeing how much he is trying to overcompensate for this with the huge sunglasses cigar and leather jacket
>>715440907this is why I always wear sunglasses
>>715438897when did he bring up that he cheated on her for his last girflriend?
>>715439962i will never unsee it.
>>715441331It was when Jeff spilled his drink on Miz's dress and Oney was like "NAH AH" and then Suzy punched Jon and then Mick said that zach HAS GOTTEN FAT to Arin and arin told it chris, who told zach about it
>>715441516put me in the websploers vvideo
>>715441667Put my rough cock head in your throat.
>>715441667Fucking bitch I fuck cock.
>>715441516Followed by posts about how handsome Oney is and how he can totally get another girlfriend
>>715441852I think maybe that's false flag attack
Editor, replace this guy with Linkara running
>>715441667 >>715441896
>>715441902dont know about that with how many posts there were before they brought up the cheating on gf situation
Bros, my dick doesn't work anymore.
Like, it works, but it doesn't work very well.
don't know if I'm depressed or understimulated, or I beat all of the sensitivity out of it.
>>715442009Oney visited his ex-gf in the hospital which was emotional cheating. A woman would rather you fuck whores than you forming an emotional bond with another woman
what would it take for oneyplays to bounce back up?
>>715441902its why OP makes these threads every day to begin with
>>715442261wome are retarded. Cuddle trannies.
HOYOOOOOH!
>>715442261so he is a cuck?
>>715442265Start an ironic "nerd rock" band
Worked for Grumps.
Worked for Rolfe.
It's the next step for every internet personality.
>>715442390He did that already
>>715442265The LA air finally took it's toll on all of them.
>>715442390Already did lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afw2MshpwuA
>>715442265fat old chris in the back is sending me
>>715442390But Chris is genuinely musically gifted unlike those guys. "Jeff is a pedophile" is a classic.
>>715442705Yeah, he's pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2iKNZGOD1k
>>715441092https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mXc2SmDvqL4
>>715443174cringe as fuck
>>715410521he always was, he just used to be laugh-with funny and not laugh-at funny
>>715443174yeah that was cringe as hell
I'm sure zach knew it as well but couldn't say no to his bosses
>>715387275molestation really fucks people up for some reason, alot of drug addicts I met were raped as kids by some kind of parental figure.
>>715443174man I hope he gets paid well for selling his dignity that hard, that was cringe as fuck.
I LOVE SAFE EDGY WOKENESS!!
>>715438831>It's Marc tries not to do the cholo voice initially but ends up talking like one anyway animationbless him
>>715439962lmao! Bridge Kids is a good show by the way, look it up on youtube
>>715443805is this supposed to make anyone care
>>715444117you cared enough to reply
>>715442827sry, poseed the wrong one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JxmDw_gfIc
>>715443174He became everything he used to mock.
Is he dead yet? Back on meth? Posting unhinged shit on YouTube?
I miss homeless methhead Stamper
>>715387035 (OP)idk about the train story but I bet this guy has definitely killed someone.
>>715443174what's the problem?
>>715444559Last I saw he was eating macaroni off the floor while packing his shit to get out of whatever house he was in
>>715443174does he squint his eyes on purpose or are they just that pinched
chris
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>>715439962>>715439880man, Chris really let himself go
>>715443805whenever I see those tweets jeff made I always think back to the time where jeff was the first one to say nigger on a sleepycast twitch stream
>>715443805full pic of the jeff outburst
>>715439056you forgot my best friend Nick Mullen
>>715444781jeff was always kind of a bitch
>>715444781He wasn't wrong.
>>715444781And Jeff said nigger with hard r so many times in sleepycast, kek
>>715410521He always was.
>>715444781>>715444843he's just trying to overcompensate for dressing up as a KKK member for Halloween as a kid
>>715443174That really wasn't bad at all
>>715444676he was having an allergic reaction allegedly
>>715445006Jeff's smurf cosplay, or so he calls it
>>715444781i still think jeff was kidding with this
he was the only sleepycabin member whose racism was natural and funny in the day, which is the kind of ability you gain from being actually racist
>>715435942why does his music keep getting better
>>715445696>begging for jeff to be racist
>>715445194what indefinitely? you see that look in every image and video for years. always came off as wanting to look cool
>>715435147>>715434467Chris already had his LP channel when they were doing SC.
>>715440294>newgroundies this is your mindset
>>715445890so he is a hypocrite and a cuck
>>715435325People were bringing it up for awhile but he did what any sane person is supposed to do and never addressed it or gave any attention to it even a single time.
>>715446096>complimenting hadel for being a greedy cowardly faggot who cant commit to his own actions
>>715435262>Started letsplays early and is basically the founding father of YouTubersLPing was popular before him, as was YT and AVGN already popularized talking about video games on the Internet.
>>715444691Hes just going back to his roots.
>>715446186>who cant commit to his own actionsWhat would that mean in this context?
>>715445936shit idk i just see the bowl-ish cut and stache and i assume it's him because i don't know anyone else that looks like that
Stamper was always some nigger worshipping wigger and his stories were incredibly fucking cringy and like 80% he was in the podcast he barely even paid attention to what was going on.
>>715412990Is Nightmare Cops still in development? Their twatter's been dead for years now.
>>715387275I believe this cause Stamper is like very cool with kissing dudes and apparently fucked a guy or two before
>>715446265Not chickening out after he made his money and leaving the page up.
>>715437879>go into thread about topic>try to call someone out for knowing about the thread topicAlright you made me laugh.
>>715438468>I'd say he's on the lower end of Chris-chan obsessionHe said his all time favorite YT video is Chris-chan getting yelled at by his dad to take down all videos of their home.
>>715435147sleepycabin-era zach and chris were on their highest horses with their egos. it's crazy the amount of fart-sniffing that they were doing and it showed.
zach going on rants about politics and art like he was some brilliant genius was insufferable
chris complaining about nothing in his life was ever his fault every episode got grating fast
yet the looming possibility of hellbenders getting picked up made them both feel like they were above everything and everyone, because, unlike everyone else, they'd never had any kind of mainstream success or real prospects
>mick did va work>cory had the rbf cartoon that was officially endorsed by the band>jeff had already worked on multiple shows>stamper had been working for newgrounds for years, helped with a ton of tom's shit>niall doesn't count
>>715446495oney got cucked
>>715446348Stamper was 100% drinking the entire time. That guy couldn't be parted from a bottle of booze if his life depended on it.
>>715446617>chris complaining about nothing in his life was ever his faulthey bro he still does that all the time
>>715439880Is the guy in the middle Tomar?
>>715441242I mean it worked.
>>715446617Don't they literally talk about hellbenders getting turned down because they had the worst pitch on SC?
>>715445696All Jeff has been doing for the past ten years is cry about politics and racists. He's 100% unironic.
He's just a boring person.
>>715446448>leaving the page up.To what end?
>>715447140so you are buttmad because he isnt an incel
>>715440649I don't ever remember him begging people not to, just that for a long time he didn't want to associate himself with his art and he wanted people to appreciate his art for himself. I'm guessing working with Michael and marketing SF made him change his mind about that.
>>715447136iirc it got turned down because the name was still evocative of hell and the devil and adult swim already had like five shows about hell and the devil
>>715447409Would we be in a better timeline if we had gotten Hellbenders instead of Your Pretty Face Is Going To Hell?
Chris better have recorded something with Jeff on his trip to philly, I want to see him tormented.
>>715447409That is absolutely not why it got turned down. They had a long list of reasons of how they acted like retards.
>>715447561i can't imagine any of those were the real reason given tim & eric are unfunny retards and soft controlled adult swim for a long time
>>715447136>Chris and Zack went to the pitch dressed like their characters in HellbendersI wish a video of that pitch existed
>>715447670If Heidecker got Hellbenders blocked then I hope that faggot gets sent into the piss and shit dimension forever
>>715447538I doubt it, jeff does not like being part of that and chris will respect that
but it would be funny to have jeff on for one of those AI phone calls sessions, they probably did already but they didn't record it to respect jeff's wishes
tim heidecker was the reason they gave smiling friends a limit on guest appearances
>>715447784They mentioned that Jeff both used character ai and tortured the ai to boot, there's no reason why he shouldn't record one with em.
>>715417632Something this insignificant yes, embarrassing that you'd defend it
>>715447316I dunno man he's in the comments malding over some guy who's more successful, married and has a kid because of his politics, he's the archetypical incel.
>>715447774huffing hyde copium makes you sound like a colossal retard if you think a conspiracy with tim and eric got them rejected
>>715448162Implying they had no involvement whatsoever is equally as retarded.
>>715446617>zach going on rants about politics and art like he was some brilliant genius was insufferableHe ALWAYS put himself down when he talked about those topics you fucking autist, to the point where it was obnoxious because he does genuinely have an above-average grasp on the topics he sometimes delved in. Considering his age at the time he was remarkably humble.
>>715448196You are actually insane.
>>715448162seconding this truthpost
sam got wp canned, not heidecker
he had the chance to lay low and went harder, and then deflected it to tim when ruse, charls, nick, and erick were rightfully mad to save face
>just muzzle yourself so some nepobaby doesn't whine to management
>>715435652You are defending people who find you contemptible
>>715387035 (OP)music and story isn't literal game development, you brain dead zoomer. is Kanye West a gamedev? you fucking terminally online autist.
>>715448578Speak for yourself retard
>>715387035 (OP)It is quite funny how becoming a bridge burning crackhead tends to override all of your previous achievements, yes.
>>715443174>he dosnt have a big nosedissapointed
also why is his face so swollen? he looks like hes trying to look asian
>>715446617>niall doesn't countWho the fuck even is Niall? Is he an artist at all? Was he on New grounds? Where the fuck did he come from? He seems like he's just some bum ass leech.
>>715450787he was kind of an animator but not good at it.
mostly, his job with sleepycabin was web development with stamper + podcast editing. i don't know if it was ever said where he came from, only that his parents hated him after he dropped med school and then went to live with oney in wexford at some point.
>>715387035 (OP)Why did he post porn on his YouTube channel just to fuck himself over and get it terminated. I was there for the upload and it wasn't funny just self destructive behaviour..
>>715453058heโs not even a real baldie, heโs a poser that just shaved his head
>>715453173he clearly is balding anon, just look at his mugshot
are you telling that New grounds niggas made a whole career out of their shitty early cartoons,
and then they did mid shit or nothing at all, but people still give them attention?
Man...
>>715387035 (OP)I miss the cooking videos
Do you guys think Oney could actually be a good father? Honestly he does kinda look like a dad in this pic
>>715455787oneyverse-fishtank crossover? what?? where was this?
>>715456243Cory was literally a freeloader in s4, pay attention dude.
>>715455787who's the asian guy
>>715456881I only watched s1 and s3.
>>715457504S2 was oneyplays themed
>>715426353they are like the kids in high school who dont take anything seriously
>>715443420try to be empathetic and think about the level of betrayal that goes into something like that
>>715438164that's Marc M?
>>715436985He didn't distance himself from them you retard, he just became friends with an Aussie who already had 3 cartoons on the network.
>>715410521i saw him at target one time. he got swarmed by sweaty gamers and dipped within a minute of being there
>>715457968yep the best mexican animator/musician from ng
>>715425606To put things in perspective, they all considered Stamper to be the most mature and responsible member of the sleepycast.
>>715458472literally just because he was one of the oldest guys there lmao
it's really easy to impress early 20 somethings. i know what that's like.
>>715435942the worst part of him working on smiling friends is he doesn't have time to post his cholo cartoons anymore :(
>>715458472Pretty sure that was Mick they thought was the mature one, which also lmao
>>715455787why is the fish tank girl with them?
>>715387275I also have a comedy podcast where I tell stories about being fucked as a kid. I kind of respect the honesty. It's even become a running gag on our show.
>>715387035 (OP)is stamper still a homeless crackhead?
or is he getting help?
>>715459980No. I'm not well known. But Stamper did come on my old show, as did Projared after this "thing." That's why this thread caught my eye
>>715444843he turned into one once he got a girlfriend
just a coincidence I'm sure
>>715460086I text him every now and then. He's at the age where he wants to travel. He wasn't ever homeless. But he did have some less than ideal living conditions a few times. Last I spoke with him I think he said he was in Arkansas or something. He did tell me he has a girlfriend and life is going good.
>>715460556how bad is his meth/crack habit?
>>715387035 (OP)>It's funny how he made all the music and writing for Castle CrashersThis post is bullshit from the start. Castle Crasher's soundtrack is a combination of variety of different Newgrounds artists. There's 30+ tracks there and not a single person made more than 2.
>>715387035 (OP)Yeah now that you mention it it's fucking grim that Stamper is still one of the only Behemot people that did some work that actually shipped. The company has been nothing but funding Jeff and PhantomArcade's vaporware for almost a decade now and nothing more
>>715460920He doesn't have one. Worst thing the dude ever got that bad into was drinking to extreme excess, which he was never pretended he didn't. We talked about the time he did meth, though. He fucking hated it.
>>715435696puritan schizo is that you?
>>715448578Jewish people are literally the only people in power that support POC and LGBTQAI+ folx.
>>715419553doesn't he Literally have aids/hiv
>>715418327>>715418570>>715419553>>715424202>>715429964how did stamper even end up like this anyway? didn't he work at newground? why did he leave? did he leave to purposefully become homeless?
>>715443420>for some reasonHmmmmm
>>715459365she's fucking them all
>>715467863Literally look at the first post of this thread dumbass
Also meth
>>715455787Yea, of course. It's a role you kinda grow into, but it's not like he's dysfunctional in any way.
>>715467863some accountant or whatever that newgrounds hired sued him for sexual harassment and they were forced to fire him
>>715461501I don't believe you
>>715461501>He doesn't have oneCome on, man.
>>715461501>>715460920Gotta agree as a man with stampers general outlook on things, crack and meth really aren't as appealing as they seem. Drinking like a fish and doing a few lines is fun, crack is fun for exactly 2 minutes before you NEED to keep hitting the shit to keep the high going. It just turns into a miserable experience very quickly.
t. tried crack and fucking hated it
>>715459980@ILLREVIEWANYTHING on youtube judging by
>>715460373
>>715468449really? it wouldn't surprise me if it was just stamper being super casual and was just telling a sex joke or something like that, as opposed to ripping her shirt off and slapping her titties
https://mailman.bandcamp.com/track/candy-bar-feat-katie-burke
Oh that crazy Stamper, always saying the funny shit :)
>>715393110Last i saw he's just chilling making songs, dude's just vibing.
>>715468949oh I've seen him interview niall a while back
>>715468449i have a hard time believing his drinking wasnโt also a factor
>>715468803is that King Cobra?
>>715469104Its sad he got his youtube terminated for uploading his animations (yes the street fighter one too). Seems like he used it to vent a lot.
>>715387035 (OP)>music and writingThat would make him a composer and a writer, not a dev
>>715410521He said that Demon's Crest was ass, you can't take opinions like that at a face value, also his reviews were always meh for me, i dunno he never clicked for me, ys he was an animator on youtube and his quality is without a doubt excellent, maybe the first one yes, BUT being the first doesn't always make you the best, and his impact fades with every year that passes, he hasn't made himself a legend, just another star that is slowly fading.
>>715435262>Started letsplays early and is basically the founding father of YouTubers Ok let's see the wall here...hmm...
>>715435262>Started letsplays early and is basically the founding father of YouTubersUnderage
>>715470268>OG EraThe fact that I know who most of those people are is depressing.
>>715470268were is my cum Goddess Queen Hannah Minx?
>>715469629Didnt he post his uncensored penis on youtube community posts?
Thought that was what got him
>>715471380the human dairy farm
>>715470268I don't see LA Beast. He's been doing this shit forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOYaj5fm6YA
>>715438897>Then She dates LSMark for a bit but she decides to cuck LSMark with Mick. But LSMark starts crying so she breaks it up with Mick and marries 19 year old LSMark.The lsmark situation always confused me. How the fuck did he pull her. How did they even get a chance to fucking meet. Shes like 20 years older than him. And dont get me wrong shes no prize but shes certainly out of lsmatks league, the dude is a turbo zoomer man child that obsesses over old nick cartoons. Is it actually confirmed thats shes cheated on him? Cause thats the only way i can wrap my head around this
>>715443174What am i supposed to be mad about?
>>715471380I used to love watching her with the sound turned off.
>>715473205he's got a "successful" Youtube career in a sense, and she's clearly fucking nuts.
she is kinda hot but she's not young and it's pretty obvious at this point she's known in the LA youtuber scene as bad news.
makes sense that she would spaz out and lock down the first successful male e-celeb who expressed interest in her.
i do not doubt in my mind she'll fuck other dudes and they'll divorce before he's out of his mid-20's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3WnBFdsB9Y
>>715471850he got a temp ban for that, but posting his MGS 3 animation is what got him
>>715474939pretty good, also it is funny how much how little of the parody is about Oney himself due to how little of an entity he is nowadays
>>715469629What the fuck kind of drugs are "blues"? Also he's right about Dasani.
>>715475723I will assume fent
>>715387035 (OP)A composer is not a game dev, a writer is not a game dev.
>>715470268But... hello you!
>>715476254top ten things I've put on me bum
>>715474939nails down Cory bringing the good times to a screeching halt due to this autism tunnel vision
>>715477774was my wording confusing? Cory will bring up boring stupid stories or just stonewall ignore other people's jokes/conversations.
>>715477980No one wants to hear Lyle's stories, thoughever
>>715477980Autistic people do this but it's never on purpose.
t. real autist
>>715478062When's the last time Lyle told a story? I think he's been pretty good lately, although that shitty meme weed game was boring as shit
>>715478127You don't talk and they get mad. You talk and they get mad. What can you do?