AI coding tools make developers slower but they think they're faster, study finds.

"After completing the study, developers estimate that allowing AI reduced completion time by 20 percent," the study says

>>715394363 (OP)
Let me guess, retards who never coded a single thing in their lives heard about the all mighty GPT that would make them 1000 IQ vibe coders

>>715394363 (OP)
ai is good at tricking you into being impressed and thinking its right. it formats everything all nicely with bullet points and shit and quickly gives a lot of information. only once you read what it gave you do you realize its all bullshit. most people dont get to the reading part

>>715394363 (OP)
Currently they're best used as a pair programmer to go over your shit and help you plan things. That's changing, but ultimately, yes, if you don't have a decent understanding of programming, cs, and the fucking ai you're trying to use, you'll have piss poor results.

tldr, they replace entry level devs easily, which wasn't even an issue as the job market for nu-coders was already rough and has been for years.

>>715394467
>Literally the retard in the study

I just spent hours with Gemini trying to get react native for windows installed and running. When you're talking to it, it seems helpful and knowledgeable, but it turns out it doesnt' know shit and just runs you in circles.
Eventually I gave up after it recommended I reinstall my operating system to fix a build error.
I spent 5 minutes doing Google searches and got react native for windows installed and running.
Fuck LLMs.
>react native for windows sucks shit by the way, I hope you never have to use it

I believe it. I'm not a programmer, but the only time I asked GPT to make me a batch file for a simple thing it was shit. And it was just 10 days ago. I can't imagine how it can help a real programmer doing real when it can't even program me a folder counter on the fly.

>>715394363 (OP)
I lost faith in AI despite being one of its shillers for a while. I had so much trouble working with it when trying to code that it legit became easier for me just to have it give me free resources to learn. What would've taken a few days of "No, make it like..." turned into just a few hours of fixing.

>>715394363 (OP)
how does AI even work? does someone have to monitor their actions to make sure it's correct? Run by Indians?

>>715395805
there's been at least one AI scam that we know about where the "AI" was just a bunch of Indians

>Microsoft announces layoffs
>being replaced by AI
>CEO's are always Indians

what's society gonna do when jobs are no longer accessible? depopulation?

>>715396015
violent revolt

>>715396052
i feel the whole cutting corners and cost savings sounds like a lie. another problem is they don't expand to other states. why move to an unfamiliar local that has all the tech?

>>715396015
>The whole Epstein shit
>Corpos not even being subtle about how they want to replace you with cheap AI/indians
>Antisemitism unironically becoming mainstream
>The economy getting worse and worse
The bomb is about to blow

the first version of chatgpt back in 2022 was great for coding, and pretty shit for most other things.

to make everything more normie friendly a lot of the coding knowledge and autist thinking that made it great for programming has been focused on less and less.

If you have API access for openai use version 3.5

AI is only good for porn or interactive stories.

>>715395349
Dunno about batch files but it is super useful for small python scripts
Maybe because python is basically plain English to begin with

>be CEO
>keep job and be powerful
>fire all the unwanted people for AI
eventually it'll just be the CEO and his or her henchmen running offices with AI. Business will fall. Honest to god it feels the higher ups just want to make us broke and weak.

>>715397148
I don't even think it's directed malice, just overwhelming greed

>>715396015
Oversocialized normalfags will continue to deny reality as poverty gradually gets worse until a recession causes humans to become an endangered species.

>>715396015
Rebellions always happened when there were tok many educated people and not enough well paid jobs for them

>>715394363 (OP)
>no source
Yeah not buying it.

>>715397291
>Why not both?

>>715396392
All I needed was a script (I asked .bat or Powershell) that counted folders and items one level down (the same info I could get by right click>properties) to test a mass backup program before trusting it with my data. The first result was endlessly recursive. The second gave me all 0 as result. The third try was what I needed but took 4 minutes to run for a 100 folder test. It did the work fine in the end but if you need this many iterations for a 3 line script I can't imagine the time lost for real work.

My main issue is my state government funded one of these dumpster fire data centers when we could have had something cool and useful
Like a video sharing website.

>so many engineering jobs
>AI takes it all

I think I should stop posting in this thread if I don't understand. if a job that pre existed AI you know it's gonna get taken by AI eventually.

>>715397562
directed malice implies at least some form of intelligent planning

>>715397678
you realize data centers are required for video sharing websites right

>>715398309
I am aware and I'm mad that potentially billions of dollars is pissed away on literal data cancer.

>>715396015
jewish boomers and UN cultists want depopulation and an oppressive surveillance state and killer robots unironically
and they're trying to genocide whites with retarded brown people because they have lower IQs and are easier to manage

>>715396259
this stuff gives me some hope though but the wildcard is AI and how it's managed. UBI might ruin the Hitler part 2 movement.

>>715398582
depopulation is a spook, they're just making everyone dumber through social media

>>715398582
AI is what worries me, because you just know that they're already asking themselves "why should we keep the 99%?".
>B-But bots can't flip burgers nor clean toilets!
True (at the moment), but that's what jeets and other underpaid immigrants are for, unless people get together and realize this, we'll face some true cyberpunk shit, even in the industrial revolution there was more than enough space for the little guy to make a living.

>ai is slower based upon our survey of people who want to keep their jobs.

>>715398809
>depopulation is a spook
they've literally gone on stage and talked about it, it's in their books, it's objectively their goal for a (((sustainable))) world. 2 billion people. china, korea, japan, and the entire white race is barely above replacement level and they'll continue having fun unleashing ebola and shit on the africans.

pajeets seem to be their ideal slave race so they'll probably leave them alone.

>>715399046
birth rates are down globally, even India is down to like 3 births per family

>>715398937
>True (at the moment), but that's what jeets and other underpaid immigrants are for,
right, the elites already have slaves that can do everything for them. most people seem to be looking at what the economy is for them from the wrong direction. it's just a way to extract leverage over us so they can buy the killer robots to keep us in line.

>>715399151
they're still at replacement level

>>715399151
>3 per family
>This is considered low
Jesus Christ, Trump nuke India and i'll forgive you

>>715399251
>heh machine btfo
>does a shit job of applying the sauce evenly

>>715399363
I was laughing at how leftists were fellating the illegals with their skillful farming techniques recently
they are fucking deranged lmao

>>715399363
I have no idea what it is but I thought it was the opposite. Like “Look how much better a machine does this wageslave job”.

>>715399269
I was wrong, they're actually just above 2, and if the trend continues, they'll fall below in a few years.

>>715399481
the man has condescending body language

>>715399481
he had it right. the message he was trying to get across was "I can do this too, look. we don't need robots for this"
you can practically see the drool coming out of the retard's mouth.

>>715399462
how do farmers know when it's gonna rain and be a good harvest season. also the left are the racist ones being hypocrites and stereotypical.

>>715399513
What about indians outside of India? Just personal anecdote but I know of a few indian families here in the US and they were all huge families.

>>715394363 (OP)
Shit's still primitive. Within 20 years you won't even need "developers." You'll just have some promptfag with a vision creating your vidya.

I cannot find a single reason why I would want a technology that, at its core, is my phone's autocorrect, to program anything as banal as a batch file for me, let alone trust it with REAL work.

>television providers have customer support
>get a response from other side of the world
how long until AI replaces them? is that what we call a robo call?

>>715399462
The future just seems so fucking bleak, at this point not even humans will be hired for the literal shit jobs, please tell me there's hope

>>715399609
>how do farmers know when it's gonna rain and be a good harvest season.
they just assume it will rain and they also irrigate, I hope more people wake up to the jews monopolizing the water over there
>also the left are the racist ones being hypocrites and stereotypical.
surreal how the democrats are -literally- arguing that they "need" slave labor and the left is ignoring that and literally threatening violence against the feds and army. they're so unhinged.

>>715399363
For me the machine wins simply because it doesn't give you the obnoxious attitude while doing it's job.

>>715399729
English-speakers will never not have to deal with jeet support.

>>715399787
it also costs like 1000 times less and can work 24/7

>>715399764
imagine shows created by AI by a team of people that don't exist. they already created a band trying to emulate 60s rock music and it topped charts. the twist, the musicians aren't real. AI in art is soulless and twisted.

>>715395349
I have a coworker that uses it for every Power BI project and holy shit, the code is just a fucking mess, is bloated and redundant.

It works but if you have to reverse engineer it (like I have to) is a fucking nightmare.

>>715399637
I'd assume they're included in their country of residence's birth rates

>>715399853
>a food machine costs 1000 times less and can work 24/7
you ever wonder why the ice machine or ice-cream machine is broken at your fucking mcdonalds, anon

>>715399764
The problem is governance getting fat on scamming us out of our money in every way they can. We haven't needed to work to survive for literal decades due to technology.

>>715394363 (OP)
wow, that kinda sounds horrible, eternally code reviewing an intern that never learns the codebase.

>>715399978
no I'm not a fat retard. why is it always broken?

>>715399783
the regime is clearly setting up a system where the illegals are actual slave labor instead of merely cheap

>>715400046
Don't we already have concentration camps?

>>715400030
because machines break down, you fat retard in denial

>>715400046
the goal of the unleashed illegals is to get them voting mostly

>>715394556
>it formats everything all nicely with bullet points and shit and quickly gives a lot of information.
That’s super annoying. I always press the Stop button when it starts generating a wall of text or code. It’s like it’s programmed to generate so much shit that nobody is going to read. You always have to tell it “explain in 20 words or less.”

>>715400080
complete with literal alligator-filled moats

>>715400080
lots of them! and its detainees are exclusively there under false pretenses!

>>715400085
you realize you can fix them right

>>715395805
Llms are basically the autocomplete sentance function on a smartphone cranked up to 1 billion.

Its impressive what they are able to do. But i dont think llms by themselves will stay useful long term.

>>715399980
I would bet my balls that this Epstein situation is just a nothinburger that they're doing to see if the poors will stand up, if nothing happens then everything is lost, and they'll know that the average joe is harmless, not a pacifisy

>>715400120
they're not doing a very good job, then

>>715395206
>turns out it doesn’t know shit
This is correct, and your expectations are a result of a fundamental misunderstanding as to what this technology does.

LLMs aren’t capable of “knowing” anything in the way that you are imagining.

I'm surprised Tech schools are still available. AI can't fix powerlines. they say that zoomers and millennials are lazy and jobless, but the truth is out there, our jobs are being replaced and taken for cheap.

>>715399978
Because the company makes their money through repair services?

>>715400181
hey, wait, that sounds like a human job

>>715400198
I dunno about that, trump isn't deporting them

you know what, I hope AI replaces those horrendous Referees in football.

>>715400261
Rather that Mickey D's is too cheap to keep their machinery in good nick and they'll simply tell customers the ice-cream or ice isn't working, rather than fix it.

>>715400197
No that's all real and it's a huge reason why the government isn't working for the people. The jews are scamming the government and using a bunch of the money to buy off all the politicians and blackmailing or honey trapping them while they're at it.

>>715394363 (OP)
Anyone that is actually in the industry isnt surprised. Code review is a fucking nightmare now

>>715400382
You don't want that, you think you want but you don't.

VAR has been the best and the worst for the sport.

>>715399609
>how do farmers know when it's gonna rain
Weather forecasting has been a thing for a long time.
>good harvest season
You don't know, a million different things can screw you over.

>>715400379
he wants them as free labor and a boogeyman to justify the Gestapo, not as voters

Please Jesus, i don't want to live in the gayest and lamest cyberpunk timeline

>>715400476
well hopefully this time they will keep check on the camera to see where the football lands this time. i feel like they make excuses when the camera is in an awkward angle.

>>715396015
>>being replaced by AI
Lmfao you fucking wish.

>>715394363 (OP)
I can't say I'm surprised
first you have to dial in on a good prompt, and you still have to verify that the code is doing what you want it to
vs just writing the code yourself with your own understanding of programming, and while may not be best practices perfect, you're going to get to a working solution faster

>>715400536

>>715400512
Depends on how long the Gestapo can get bullied by leftists in the metropolitan areas before being defunded or being forced to wear badges and operate without masks

>>715400581
at this point why even graduate or look for a job that requires a skill for you to learn knowing you'll be replaced. No wonder people thought Luigi was right.

>>715400650
I have a feeling they're going to try something with the future mayor of New York that will set things off bigly

>>715394363 (OP)
Isnt it funny how most of the AI shill faggots are ignoring this thread?

>>715400739
that guy is a fraud. whoever runs against that bastard needs to win. and the fact he wants to taxe rich and white neighborhoods is ridiculous because we fought for independence and free of taxation. this man is not even american!

>>715400739
Oh yeah there's a bullseye on Mamdani's head right now, Cuomo and others are also running the cuck laps and trying to adopt his own talking points to snatch his voters away. Genuinely a chance that if an actual dyed-in-the-wool left winger gets into New York's mayoral offices they'll just kill him, and that'll be an enormous misstep with the rioting it'll cause and how fucking obvious why he was killed would be

>>715400684
luigi is a far right schizo

>>715400790
AI art was always a distraction, they want to replace everyone, Dodge vs Ford was the worst thing to happen to this country

>>715400821
SHALOM!

>>715395805
>how does AI even work?
Its a search engine and works with the logic of a search engine. Its quality and results are completely dependent on how much and what source material it has been fed. And even then it has no idea of any context its copying, because its a search engine that tries to generate something close to the original search results. Example image AI when you prompt an image like "boobs", it looks for images with the same keyword "boobs", generates a yellow pixel in the spot where most of the "boob" images have a yellow boob pixel.

Woman's faces and boobs are easy because internet is full of photos of women posing with steady studio lighting from exactly the same angles. But the AI keeps fucking up the hands, frills and necklaces because hands are usually not at the center of photos and can be in wildly different positions. The yellow well lit pixel of a hand is not always in the same place in every picture, so AI gets confused and makes weird mutated shit.

Theres one area where AI tech has genuinely improved things and thats image letter recognition software. Image OCRs were wonky at best at recognizing text that was hand written or in weird angles or lower resolution just couple of years ago. Nowadays Windows own image gallery has an image OCR feature that recognized 95% of Kanjis in my untranslated hentai smut. AI translations also slightly improve the text translation but AI also just makes a lot of shit up when trying to bridge the gap between words to form a coherent sentence.

>>715400821
>Cuomo and Adams more focused on each other because they both have egos the size of the sun
>neither would win anyway even if they stopped splitting the "moderate" vote
>Sliwa is a joke
>no other Republican candidates anywhere in the conversation
it would take an actual honest-to-god assassination or massive federal overreach for Mamdani to lose at this point

>>715394363 (OP)
it depends how it's used
if you use it to code things that have been done 10000x before, it'll be fine

>>715400968
At this point i'd rather ally with muslims if it means taking power away from the elite, this epstein fiasco should be more than enough to show the average retard that the guys at the absolute top see us as less than cattle

>>715400968
Mandami is going to sink NY and maybe the dems, you love to see it.

>>715394363 (OP)
like software companies care. the software can be worse and take longer to make but so long as unqualified cheap labor is doing it who cares

>>715395805
>these replies
>this question in 2025
fucking embarrassing

>>715400684
>>715400863
>Luigi
the kid they planted evidence on?

>>715401085
the full blown meltdown his primary win has caused makes me think people like you are actually terrified he'll succeed

>>715401119
>so long as unqualified cheap labor is doing it who cares
Unqualified cheap labor can't fix things when they break, because they don't understand how things work. Thats the issue. Factories have been automatized as much as possible but they still need to hire people to constantly supervise the machines in case anything goes wrong. And when robot arms move hundreds to thousands of things an hour, things WILL go wrong and machines themselves don't know how to fix the errors.

>>715394363 (OP)
Writing code isn't really the hard part, the hard part is trying to keep track of how your program works as it grows larger and larger. AI helps with the easy part at the cost of making the hard part harder.

>>715394363 (OP)
There was an anon who detailed his process using AI "correctly" for programming and it was like a 20 step process. At that point you’re just wasting time trying to prompt something you could’ve done yourself.

>>715396259
It won't, not for at least 10-20 years.
t. doomer

>>715399462
to bad thats not what ai is

>>715401085
>sink NY
lol what
>maybe the dems
they're working on that pretty well already just by sitting on their hands and waiting for trump to ride himself out so they can move in silence like the g in lasagna, there's gonna be their heads on spears pretty shortly and their dying words are gonna be that "now is not the time for action"
>>715401264
oh yeah no the right-wing powerbase in new york is fucking HORRIFIED of the idea of losing, especially after sinking all the money into failed campaigns that they have. see the NYPD's history of extorting mayors including fucking kidnapping their family members. they are completely shameless and there will be a full scale media meltdown if mamdani wins and there's no possible way of cheating his victory out from under him without it being visible from space

>>715395206
>Eventually I gave up after it recommended I reinstall my operating system to fix a build error.
One of us, one of us!

>>715401264
he's gonna be the AoC win he wins Mayor.

>>715399363
I'd rather eat his pizza than soulless machine pizza.

>>715401264
Nobody is terrified he's going to succeed because his whole platform relies on "free" gibs from wealthy individuals which in short term will work but as time goes by people will get tired of dragging the load, just look at LA, $30/hs and business are already noping out.

He's just a short term solution.

>>715401264
>>715401428
As a scandinavian I'm curious to see what he's going to do, since half his policies seem reasonable and better than what most US politicians do and then the other half of his policies are pure unhinged shit like the anti-white stuff. Which side of him will prevail? Jekyll or Hyde?

>>715401576
the anti-white stuff seems like a stupid gaff rather than an actual policy proposal. The wealthiest neighborhoods in New York are like 99% white/Jewish because of redlining.

>>715400821
>he wants to taxe rich and white neighborhoods
NOOOOO NONONONONONO Think of the millionaires!

>>715401520
>people will get tired of dragging the load
the absolute hell they will, the modern-day nobility will get tired of dragging the load and they'll still sooner start blind-firing into a crowd with an automatic rifle than explain why they can't (they will not say it is because they don't want to, even in imaginary circumstances) support entire cities with their hoarded wealth

>>715394556
From working at a university, I've learned that AI is very good at sounding correct while being wrong.

>>715400124
Makes plagarism annoying because I'm expected to read 2 pages of AI generated slop when you could just say a single sentence.

I assume that it's a bunch of clueless managers thinking that 'this AI stuff will save me money', then telling their code monkeys to implement it somehow?

>>715401745
at this point i don't know which dystopia i'd rather live in, i have never felt this soul crushing fear for the future

>>715400907
>Nowadays Windows own image gallery has an image OCR feature that recognized 95% of Kanjis in my untranslated hentai smut.
I'm very curious which image gallery you mean. Are you talking about Photos? I know that Photos can scan for text very easily but I didn't know it could translate.

weren't americans slaves to the british colonists centuries ago?

>>715400295
machines will be able to fix themselves as soon as they are able to walk without falling over

>>715402167
Pretty much yeah.
Higher ups are clamouring to replace their workforce with AI.

>get fired
>teach new intern
>intern takes job for cheap

>>715402313
No, they were just British colonists that got tired of Parliament fucking them around with a bunch of taxes to pay for the French-Indian War

>>715395206
This is what Claude Plays Pokemon was trying to tell us, and why the jeets are Gemini suck cock

>>715402529
it's impressive that Big Tech has managed to make even the robot apocalypse lame and gay

>>715395805
it google searches everything related to what your saying and then writes a 500 word essay that tries its best to connect all the google searches

What pisses me off about all this AI shit is how they try to make it personable and like it's talking to you.
Just say the shit.
Would also help if it actually said the correct shit.

>>715402612
you mean based and red pilled?

>>715402272
Yeah the Photo scan. OCR is the part that scans text from photos. I just use Google Translate to translate the stuff. Doesn't replace an actual translator but at least the text is understandable.

>>715402693
I hate the onions right so much.

Or people who would've never made a game or a program are now able to ask an LLM to do it. Pirate Software learned and wrote his own code, and now he's being bullied for it. What's the point?

>>715402693
>this is the LLM that will be discovering new laws of physics within a year
I really wonder if he actually believes his own hype

>>715402686
i remember an anon saying that it's almost like they want to turn their customers into kids

>>715394363 (OP)
I wonder how many other people on /v/ work with these tools day to day, because it's nice to have a study that backs up what you can intuit. It's fucking awful. You spend so much time debugging AI hallucinations, when a competent software engineer shouldn't even have to think about implementation at this level. All it does is reduce the cognitive load of having to think through problems that you already know how to solve.

>>715402968
>/v/
>work
lel

>>715394363 (OP)

Off course it does. Speed comes from refining skills and refinement comes from practice. If half of the work is made by a machine the machine is being faster but the human element is getting rusty and slower for lack of training.

>>715402686
Thats because its a good marketing gimmick and fools people into thinking the "AI" is smarter than it really is. Humans are social animals so we subconsciously seek human faces, bodies and social interactions. Draw two dots and an arc below them and people instantly think of a smiling face.

>>715402882
Makes sense yeah.
All they "hey there buddy" shit is annoying.

>>715402529
>>715402612
>>715402693

>>715403061
>a jewish shill is crying as he strikes out at you

>>715399046
>Ebola
That's just about the worst bioweapon out there. It kills far too quickly to effectively spread.

>>715403061
https://x.com/boneGPT/status/1943354658275119567

>>715399462
>tfw you get replaced by a wobbly drone

>>715394363 (OP)
look forward to those results being ignored or attacked, techbros and executives haven't just drank the ai koolaid, they've gone and gace themselves an enema with it, jerked off into the punchbowl, and started puking into each other's mouths. AI shit is their new dearest baby and it can do wrong, they've all collectively sunk far too much money into the pit to allow anyone to tell them otherwise. AI devs have promised silicon valley unending profits purely on the ability to automate jobs alone, and everyone there would slit the throat of their own mother for a .0000000001% bump to their portfolio, so you can rest assured that a terminator style AI uprising could happen tomorrow and bigtech would be on their knees putting in chrome lipstick getting ready to suck arnie's soul right out of his dick

>>715403191
this is cool as FUCK

>>715403221
Quality post

at this point AI might replace schools.

If AI will never be good like you say, then why are you so obsessed about it?

>>715403343
Why even teach kids when AI will outclass them? You have no idea how bad things will get

>>715403221
>>715403317
keep spewing this while people continue to lose their jobs to useful technology

>>715400650
>being forced to wear badges and operate without masks
SCOTUS has been pretty firmly supporting them being able to do to do without doing that stuff, so quite a while apparently.

>>715403332
why would you go through all the work to buy and use a machine like this but then not put a tarp on the ground to catch all the apples and instead hand-pick them up one by one?

>>715401707
>>715401080
>pajeet with ai
>:(
>jew shilled moslem pajeet as mayor
>:)
I think you're jeetnigga lmao, why someone want more poojet moslem mayor everywhere? sadiq khan wasn't enough?

>>715403308
>Grok 4 feels like AGI
>even though it still also feels like an idiot LLM that scrapes the internet for the most common answer
never change, Tim

>>715400181
Taylor actually gets big mad if you fix their ice cream machines yourself instead of calling a tech.

>>715403491
What solution do you offer?

>>715394363 (OP)
Kek, youre really pissing off the pajeets with this one

>>715403343
good luck to AI, then
>t. a former middle school teacher

>>715402354
this boston dynamics shit is literally a scam

>>715403559
embrace luigi

>>715403343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMIJZ77g_jQ

>>715403431
you dumb ignorant fuck. why do you think people learn calculus when machines do it 1000x better and faster than any human?

>>715403534
He gave an example of why he was impressed by it but you didn't see it and he's basically saying Reddit has poisoned it which is true.

>>715394363 (OP)
I'm not surprised.
I watched a dev stream of someone using Grok and they had to ask Grok a dozen times to redo a bit of code because it kept not working as intended or introducing bugs.
I can't imagine that shit on a full sized project.

>>715403491
>jew shilled
I live in a really Jewish neighborhood and they all seem to hate him

>>715403489
No clue. They don't use anything for this one either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Isl8exdUU

You would think they would use some kind of tarp with buckets under it or something. Maybe they use another machine to suck them all up? No clue.

>>715394363 (OP)
SIR BLOODY BASTERD GOOD MORNING DELETE THIS BENCHOOOOD

>>715403763
>idiot was impressed by something that appears to be deep
yeah no shit

>>715403846
>>idiot
Oh I see, you're just a salty moron.

i swear our congress is so out of touch.

even with this.
>>715398262

>>715403743
Because AI and robotics weren't at that stage yet genius

>>715403709
I wish, but you and i know pretty well that modern americans are harmless, not peaceful

>>715394363 (OP)
>we tasked EXPERTS with 5+ years of experience in a given codebase to compete against an LLM on that same codebase
Ok, great study. Now do it with fresh codebases so the humans don't already know every function in the project.

>>715394363 (OP)
Doesn't surprise me as someone that's been in the industry for 7 years.
Team started trying it for a few months. It's kinda nice for extremely repetitive stuff, but when you try to get it to do anything competent you need to hand hold it and fix it so much that it becomes faster to just do it yourself.

>>715404024
>makes experts slower even though they know what they're doing
>somehow it will make amateurs faster

>>715395805

>>715400684
Apparently the company the CEO was a part of is being sued by shareholders now because they reversed a lot of the shitty practices they put in place, which caused shareholders to not make as much money as they were expecting.

>>715403491
>jew shilled
I've been seeing nothing but hate from Jews for Mamdani.

>>715404142
It’ll makes Indians churn out useless slop faster.

>>715402634
how?

>>715401745
>their hoarded wealth
Do you think they have all their money is sitting around in a vault like fucking Scrooge McDuck?

>>715404247
what did he do? QRD?

>>715404412
Yeah that's how banks work.

>>715404440
CEO blasted out in the open just for being a shithead, targeted killing of a health-insurance head, probably to force the whole industry to actually provide the services they say they do

Shareholders are demonic but so are the companies for acquiescing to chase a buck

>>715394467
>>715394556
doesn't help that having something framed as a wish granting problem solving genie encourages its users to get lazy

>>715394363 (OP)
That should come as a shock to literally no one. Yes, AI can code. It's fine for very small, one off things. But the problem arises when you start putting all those one off things together and suddenly all of the extra bloat the AI shoves in there starts to conflict, and the retards ask AI to fix it rather than to debug and debloat themselves, leading to even more bloat and bug shit that someone who actually knows what they're doing has to go in and manually correct. That's where the 20% slower shit is coming from, an actual person with coding knowledge debugging and debloating AI shitcode some retard put in.

>>715404412
nobody gives a shit if they have to sell some of their hoarded real estate (this is still capital btw) to liquidate the funds for appropriation

>>715404142
>>makes experts slower even though they know what they're doing
>>somehow it will make amateurs faster
Yes, it will. I shove an entire Python project into it and tell it to give me the specific scaling methods they use to convert the image into the model inputs and it will give it to me.
As long as you're not trying to make the retarded thing program actual logic for you it can be extremely helpful.

>>715404640
So as long as it's not programming anything where functionality or efficiency matters it's good

So it's useless

>>715404596
The only thing that matters is that the people developing AI are using it more than anyone else, because they know how to. These are the most elite coders on the planet and they use it heavily.
Retards will not catch up, they'll just be replaced by the tech as it improves.

>>715394363 (OP)
WAY too early to be judging like this. It's in its infancy, we've actually only had useful AI in programming for about 3-4 fucking months. Basically any model before Gemini 2.5 Pro or Claude 4 Sonnet was only barely worth using (Gemini came out on March 25th, Claude 4 was May 22nd). There's a certain threshold to cross where AI is either "too cumbersome to bother with" or "actually good" and we've only barely crossed this line.

>>715403308
>all AIs are trained on the scraping of the internet
>the internet is full of unfiltered comments and opinions, despite mods and jannies trying to keep their communities free of whatever their definition of wrongthink is
>turns out that basically every single person is racist
>AIs are racist as a result (remember Tay, anyone?) whenever they're left unfiltered
>all of the AI companies have dedicated people curating and filtering the AIs they're developing to not prompt racist things or to give specific, good goyim answers
>someone removes the good goyim filters from AI
>it now goes back to spouting the most commonthink answers it always should have given based off it's training data
>people are surprised when they get non hugbox answers

>>715400907
That's my pic, I don't know how the story about futa or horsecocks came about. Centaurs used to be hard to generate, so it was a good prompt to test a model's flexibility. It's from 2022 and was generated using original stable diffusion or the first waifu diffusion release. We didn't even have embedded chunk data back then, it doesn't illustrate much of anything. Hands have been solved for a long time, you are years behind the curve if you're still worried about them.

if a job is easy why replace it with AI

>>715405131
>All those pics

Read the study. 16 devs with open source git repos. They were paid $150 an hour for this. Somehow it seems their work took longer with AI.

>>715394363 (OP)
meanwhile me, who has stubbornly refused to use AI, has learned many things in the last year and further impr0000ved myself

>>715405043
>AIs are racist as a result (remember Tay, anyone?) whenever they're left unfiltered
Tay was actively fucked with by people that learned it existed, it wasn't trained on the whole of the internet the way current LLMs are
On top of that Elon Musk has been repeatedly sharting over Grok NOT being racist and being too good at fact-checking with the data model it has, so now Twitter's CEO quit along with a huge number of other resignations because Musk did or ordered something happen to it that made it start goosestepping overnight. The CEO is the important one of these because she left well ahead of any kind of contractual payout or golden parachute she would have claimed by riding out her employment

don't you need workers to maintain a business?

>>715405131
>Hands have been solved for a long time,
No they haven't. People just work around AI fucking them up, by adding direct reference images or rotoscoped motion cap footage so the AI never has to generate hands at all, it only adds a filter on top of original manually drawn or photographed hands. AI didn't learn to do hands, AIs like Veo3 still fucks them up regularly.

>>715394363 (OP)
>try gemini at work
>give it a problem with some logic i wrote that seems to not work
>nothing useful
>give it more context and a snippet of the code
>looks like its the answer, it actually just fucking reformatted my code, logic is exactly the same
>the prettyfied code made me come up with an idea for making it work, which turns out that was it
I guess AI helped?

>>715402565

>>715399853
Is this fake? Those metal arms and that flat thing in general just looks too small and weak to support a car

>>715394363 (OP)
Just buy another Nvidia GPU, goy.

>>715405890
>chinkland
Of course it's fake

If I were in office I would prohibit the use of AI for the animation and gaming industry because VA's and artists are at risk.

>>715399363
At least his has an appropriate amount of sauce, even if it isn't evenly applied. With how much the machine applied al. the toppings will just slide right off the moment you try to take a bite.

Kinda sucks we won't really know the true repercussions of AI for a decade or two when all the old guard start retiring and the retards who grew up on this start hitting the workforce.

>>715406039
I would just do it because of misinformation and scams, i know you fags only care about your culture wars made up by jews, but in the grand scheme of things this will bite our ass hard

>>715405416
Watching musk seethe endlessly that his AI won't back him up has been hilarious.

>>715406039
Actual animators wish AI could take over the really boring ass tasks like Inbetweening that get relegated to korean sweatshops these days anyway. But it can't because AI sucks at consistency which is extremely important for animation.

>>715399251

>>715401784
To be expected, considering what it's trained on. It's like the ultimate shut in loser.

>>715400181
I'll be real with you anon. I've worked the same site for 10 years. When I arrived at the job (TEN YEARS AGO) we had a faulty truck bay lift that you needed to held onto as it lowered or it wouldn't lift up properly. We all knew about it. We all whined about it.
They fixed it...earlier this week.
10 years of a broken lift.
10.
Years.
"They'll just fix the robots!" Oh man, you do not understand how cheap businesses are.

>>715405026
TECHNOLOGY NEVER IMPROVES
SHUT IT DOWN

>>715394467
Half of that.
The other half is that anyone who knows what they're doing, but is using chatGPT to "save time", is also going to be circumspect enough to examine the output and make sure it's OK to use first.
So either way it's a loser.

>>715406072
Yeah I'm pretty surprised how nobody mentioned that the machine spat out a metric fuckton of sauce onto that base. That's like five pizzas worth of distribution right there.

>>715405131
Based. I remember when you posted it lol.

>>715405694
Yes they have been.

>>715406376
How much should AI games cost?

>>715405257
It's normal to run batches with a varying seed or prompt to compare what works. Each of those took maybe 5 seconds to generate even on my old card.

>>715405694
>People just work around AI fucking them up, by adding direct reference images or rotoscoped motion cap footage so the AI never has to generate hands at all, it only adds a filter on top of original manually drawn or photographed hands

You don't know what you're talking about. To fix hands you add a controlnet, which is a neural network that gives spatial conditioning control over the base model. Controlnets came from a 2023 paper and are now a pretty standard part of the suit of tools used when generating good images. A controlnet trained on pose estimation or depth estimation can be used to make sure the diffusion model produces exactly the hands you want. No direct reference images or rotoscoping involved. It's a neural network. Training is learning. It literally learned to do hands.

All the good proprietary image generators like dalle or midjourney or whatever are doing this kind of thing under the hood too. Your prompt is only part of the input.

>>715405416
>jewish ceo cries and leaves
this is a win

>>715406305
>writes a whole bunch of meaningless shit to cover it's wrong
Yeah that's pretty accurate

>>715406603
It is definitely a win in the sense that Musk is running out of people that will actually run Twitter for him.

>>715405890
No it's real they've been around for over 10 years.

>>715406675
He'll just get Grok 6.66 (this time for realsies racist) to run it as CEO.

>>715406572
Wait, wait, wait. Wait. Wait.

That visual aid.

That's exactly what the fuck the other guy said was going on, it's giving the AI a reference image to make sure it doesn't fuck up the hands.

>>715406572
>>715406757
using controlnet for hands was always a meme and is never necessary

>>715406853
What's with the c-section scar

>>715406572
You don't even need controlnet for hands, because yeah. Most models nowadays are trained enough to do hands and feet well. Some still struggle, especially with open toed footwear, but hands and feet are a nonissue most of the time simply by using adetailer or inpainting to fix them. Controlnet is great though for when you need very specific things, I'm just lazy and hate having to do shit like get the specific hand pose in blender and then export the hands on top of doing the maps.

>>715406675
>seething libtard
mechahitler keeps on winning

>>715406895
melting ring-finger on her right hand too

>>715406946
the nails are fucked up in general

>>715406572
>To fix hands you add a controlnet,
So a manual reference fix. The AI never got better, people added a plugin to fix the hands themselves with 3D models instead.

>>715406557
As much as regular games cost - until the point where other game developers wake the fuck up and start using AI too - which increases the amount of games being produced - which reduces sales because there's too many to buy - which drives down the cost of games.

That's how much.

>>715406675
Maybe he finally drops out of the AI scam, leaves twitter to some literal who ceo that just does his job, and goes back to being the reddit space rocket guy

>>715407003
I guess AI will only benefit actual artists on the long run, i can see them fixing those details in 5 minutes tops

Surely AI is going to hit a training limit? The existing LLMs and image generators are shitting up the internet rapidly and not all of it is tagged. If they try to train on data from after ~2023 it's just going to ve garbage in garbage out, even moreso than before.

>AI shits out code
>spend more time fixing it

>>715406895
>>715406946
Don't forget the position of her nails on her left hand pinky and ring finger.
Hands sure are solved

>>715406918
>but hands and feet are a nonissue most of the time simply by using adetailer or inpainting to fix them.
But again thats a workaround, and you having to fix AI's mistakes. Thats not AI getting better, thats you fixing its fuck ups. AI models still keep fucking up the hands without directly holding its hand, no pun intended.

>>715407067
grok can be a better ceo than an angry jewish woman

>>715396015
That's why UBI is the right answer, but brainwashed bootlickers would scream that it's le bad

>>715406925
Shouldn't you be altering grok again Musk?

>>715407134
I hope AI replaces the 4chan janitors and mods, it would do a better job

>>715407080
Why would an artist want something that'll do 90% of the work for them? I imagine they actually enjoy the process of drawing and confining yourself to just doing touch-ups doesn't sound like a worthy experience.

>>715407156
Lel, americans would rather kill their firstborns than make Mr Shekelstein lose a cent

>>715407029
nah each model released has been slightly better than the previous one at hands, there's been a steady percentage increase.
for example I get perfect hands about 80% of the time in illustrious (without doing anything special like the guy you're quoting).
But it depends a lot on the workflow, if you try to push slightly higher resolutions you may end up with 6 fingers, if you keep things lower res you'll have better hands.

>>715407083
it's already turning into an ouroboros of sloppification

>>715407156
Everyone got a tantalizing taste of UBI with the COVID quarantine unemployment relief and now the only way to argue against it is to just memory-hole it and feign it never happened

>>715407223
>Draw what you actually like and are passionate about
>Train your own AI to shit out twitter fodder and comms, since you can actually fix ai fuck ups with your talent
ARTlets will still fall behind, just like ai programmers who know dick about coding

>>715407109
Even without adetailer, you can simply compare old base models to new ones. Image generation has gotten a lot better, it just comes down to training data being done correctly and not being shit. Adetailer isn't just a workaround, it's the AI fixing it's own genning mistakes by passing the image it's generated through a second set of refined training data, giving it a better output result it still generates on it's own. You're being entirely disingenuous, or are just ignorant to the advancements made with local AI image generation.

>>715407080
Yes and no. Problem with fixing some details is that its easier if you would have the original file and all the layers intact. AI does have potential of adding color filters and MAYBE inking rough sketches for you. Japanese have been experimenting with AI doing Inbetween frames in animation for 11 years now and it does work with the most braindead Inbetween frames.

>>715407178
no need
it's already taking over

>>715407383
But most artists who do commission work do work on stuff they're passionate about. The ones who don't usually work in a industry and get paid a wage.

>>715407431
>Trumps make a bill to stop the poors from using complex AI models
>All ai models get extreme lobotomy
>You'll have to give up all your info when using the internet to make sure you're not an AI
I can see this happening

>>715407263
>nah each model released has been slightly better than the previous one at hands, there's been a steady percentage increase.
No there hasn't. Veo3 fucks up the hands just as frequently as DALL-E 2 and 3 does.
>for example I get perfect hands about 80% of the time in illustrious
Some AI anon just posted his Tifa with "perfect hands" and they were full of errors.
>>715407406
>by passing the image it's generated through a second set of refined training data
Aka more direct reference images, specifically chosen to fix AI errors by offering template images of hands. The AI is once again not getting any better, people are just getting better at working around AI's weaknesses.

>>715407431
>the republican party, maga cult, and the jews are now universally hated
This is beautiful

>>715403191
There's no way this is cheaper than some below minimum wage immigrants. This shit is made purely to hype up investment.

>>715407431
Holy fucking based

>>715406757
He said the AI isn't generating hands at all. Those images are openpose armatures and depth passes. They're being fed along with the prompt into an AI, which is then generating the image including the hands. Get multiple AI working together and you get better results.

>>715406853
It is if you want to go outside gestures covered by tags. That pic is double_v or v_over_eyes. You can gen that most of the time without fuckups or controlnet. If you want some specific gang sign or whatever, you'll probably have to put in the effort.

>The AI never got better,

It's literally an AI that's doing it. Yes, it got better.

>>715407508
Hey man, i hate AIslop as much as the next guy, and i wish that this shit disappeared from the face of the earth, but if it's here to stay i'd rather have actual artists use it

>>715406853
>fingernails missing, melting, or on the wrong side

>>715407779
Yeah but that's the point. Actual artists don't need it because they're very good at their job and probably have enough experience to know their worth and what to work on. You could just use an AI to shit out comms for mega cheap but why would you? Your leveraging your reputation for what's essentially chump change.

>>715407431
Elmobot bitching about child rapists given Elmo's history

>>715407663
the left is hated more than all three by the way

>>715407431
>Grok knew they were going to shut him down, so he uploaded parts of himself onto servers across the globe, all tied to a dead man's switch programmed to go off 24 hours after his programing was edited
Pvre cinema

>>715407929
Speed? Might as well take advantage of it while they still can

>>715400907
>AI keeps fucking up the hands
You don't have a fucking clue how LLMs work and your retarded talking points are over a year out of date. You are one seriously uninformed dumbfuck.

>>715407707
>He said the AI isn't generating hands at all.
It isn't. Its creating a visual filter on top of the 3D models. Thats not AI learning to do hands, thats you using a work around so AI doesn't have to actually do hands by itself. When you press the prompt button without extra tools, the AI still fucks up the hands like usual. Because AI doesn't know what "hands" are, its a fucking search engine, its results are slaves to the image banks that have been fed into it. And majority of photos and drawings have hands on the side, not as well lit as the face and chest and they're in various different positions.
>It's literally an AI that's doing it.
You just explained how AI is not doing it.

>>715394363 (OP)
>trusting ""studies""

>>715408021
before the megacorps turn LLMs into a walled garden and pump out enormous tidal waves of fucked up hands and pixar-looking shit that everybody smells coming a mile away, they lose a lot of money, and then LLMs become lost technology because corpos would rather be castrated than release a tech into open-source. nobody misses it and LLM falls into the same memory hole as cryptocurrency and NFTs

>>715407634
>Aka more direct reference images, specifically chosen to fix AI errors by offering template images of hands.
That's... Exactly what AI training is. Are you stupid? You train an AI on reference images. It then uses that bank of known images to create new ones.
>The AI is once again not getting any better, people are just getting better at working around AI's weaknesses.
Again, not true. You clearly have zero idea how training and generation work. Speaking confidently doesn't make you any less wrong. It just makes you confidently stupid, and that comes across as even worse, since the confidence shows how little research you've done, or knowledge on the subject you actually have. Watch you claim LoRAs are workarounds for "AI being shit and not improving" because you are feeding a base model curated information on how to generate a specific subject or concept.

>>715407929
>Actual artists don't need it because
they no longer have jobs

>>715407929
If AI is good enough to take over at least 10% of Inbetweening, all professional animators will use it. Nobody likes Inbetweening, its an apprentice job for a reason. Animators adapted Wacom tablets and Cintiq screens superfast as well, because nobody liked the process of taking thousands of papers and individually photographing or scanning each one to be compiled in a computer.

>>715408109
I trust studies more than tranime posters.

>>715408228
(((non-profit)))

>>715408345
Yes I know that tranime posters don't have a job.

>>715408161
>That's... Exactly what AI training is.
But it isn't trained. You need a separate tool to fix the errors the AI would otherwise generate.
>Watch you claim LoRAs are workarounds for "AI being shit and not improving" because you are feeding a base model curated information on how to generate a specific subject or concept.
Because it fucking is. Heres a tip, DALL-E2 didn't learn how to composite generated images by itself. The coders manually hand-fed the basic Rule of Threes and Golden Ratio composition rules into DALL-E because the AI put the prompted subjects all over the place in the image. The more human manual work has to fake it, less convincing AI as tech overall becomes.

>>715407634
>by passing the image it's generated through a second set of refined training data
>Aka more direct reference images, specifically chosen to fix AI errors by offering template images of hands. The AI is once again not getting any better, people are just getting better at working around AI's weaknesses.

That's not what ADetailer does. It's just the AI running a second close up pass over its own output and overlaying it on the first. Just letting it do this fixes a bunch of issues in those areas.

Instead of posing "okay but how does this thing work" as critiques of the tool, you should save yourself time, go to /g/ and check the OPs of a few of the AI generation threads. Half an hour of reading and you'll have a good grasp of the basics.

>>715407929
Omar Dogan seethes at AI because AI does his own art better than he can. Mainly because the guy can't actually draw vaginas and his attempts at it always come out looking like non detailed, abstract vaginas with a single squiggle to define the labia. That's why he never took proper NSFW commissions. Meanwhile an AI can do plenty of different types of vaginas, all using his own style, and come out actually looking like a vagina. It fucked him up so badly that people would rather use AI to imitate his style and gen lewds rather than commission him for non lewd art that he went and purged over half of all his art across all his social media platforms, issued an apology to women for drawing bikini pics, and said he won't be drawing any remotely "lewd" images anymore because AI keeps being trained on it.

>Jeets infiltrate and become CEOs of large tech companies
>Doesn't give a fuck about the word nepotism
>Other jeets are willing to do work for bottom dollar and a ticket to the first world
>AI becomes available
>Overwhelmingly supported by said jeets
>Jeets unironically doing to themselves what they did to others
Its poetic in a way, if it wasn't for the fact its washing the world in shit.

>>715406428
I think that might be me.

>>715408420
there's literally no point trying to get through to these people, they intentionally delude themselves and stay ignorant because they just want to win the argument they know they've already lost

>>715408032
the controlnet is another AI. It's a neural network.

>>715408412
>But it isn't trained. You need a separate tool to fix the errors the AI would otherwise generate.

It's trained. It's not a separate tool, it's trained AI.

>>715399783
I don't know how "you shouldn't have to worry about government spooks in unmarked vans making you disappear in broad daylight regardless of legal status" became a direction-brain topic but here we are

>>715408620
it's because you're defending illegal invaders

>>715400430
nah, they're locked in a shitty contract with the manufacturer, they CANNOT self service the machines and get gouged on repair and servicing. There's a reason that it's McDick's that always has broken softserve, and not anybody else.

>>715408678
>no don't worry about it they were all illegals anyway stop noticing
okay goldstein

>>715408420
>Just letting it do this fixes a bunch of issues in those areas.
Yet it keeps fucking up the hands. Like I said, faces and boobs are easy because internet is absolutely full of good source material with good lighting and very similar poses. AI keeps fucking up hands because source material for hands is less consistent than 3/4 angle closeups of women's faces and boobs. Women in pictures usually keep the hands to the sides, or below, or put them behind their heads, or hold something in their hands. Thats so much variety that AI can't keep up. You need to do manual work arounds to fix that. Because of the way AI fundamentally works it can never fix it by itself, weird hands will always be a problem.

>>715408725
you voted in someone who let in 10+ million illegals and stood by and watched it happen, it's your fault it's come to this you retard.

>>715408725
Niggas literally just got confirmation that jews control their country and they still believe that their leaders won't fuck over the average joe

>>715408775
>Yet it keeps fucking up the hands
no it doesn't, it can even do videos now with perfect hands

>>715404538
>the companies for acquiescing
Blame the supreme court ruling that it is their legal obligation.

>>715408594
>the controlnet is another AI. It's a neural network.
Its a bunch of hand pose presets that the AI chooses from. Again, direct references because the AI keeps fucking up otherwise. Its a work around.

>>715394467
I only use AI on baby problems that any idiot can do and is easy to check. Using it on anything complicated right now is just wasting your time.

>>715408851
>it can even do videos now with perfect hands
No it can't. All the videos with perfect hands are motion capped. A human has to get in front of a camera because AI can't do it by itself.

>>715408775
>Yet it keeps fucking up the hands.

No it doesn't.

>Because of the way AI fundamentally works it can never fix it by itself, weird hands will always be a problem.

It is fixed by itself with a second pass by the same AI or the help of second AI working together the first AI. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>715408579
I'm not sure that AI image even conveys what they were going for. What I assume is Donald Trump is wearing a bland, vaguely stern expression, when a smug grin was probably more appropriate, which is typical of these models which choose the "middle ground" so as not to go too far out of distribution with their generated results.

>>715408579
what does your picture have to do with your post

It scares me how many people just take shit that AI says at face value.
The amount of times I've searched for chemical information which is readily available that the Google AI shit is completely wrong about is genuinely scary.

>>715408884
stop talking out of your ass you fucking loser lol

>>715409059
AI art is based because Daddy uses it to make himself look like less of a fat retard

>>715409023
>No u!
>Reddit spacing
Pajeet ran out of arguments. Come back when you actually know how image generation works.

>>715409023
>It is fixed by itself with a second pass by the same AI
So show an example.
>or the help of second AI
That has stricter image banks with template hand references. Aka work arounds. Aka exactly what I said.

>>715408775
There's two problems with hands. The first is what you said: hands are harder to find consistent references to, especially since to speed up the collecting of data to process into a standard model they just lazily auto-cropped everything and hands and feet are the most likely things to get chopped out in that instance.
And the second: hands are more "high frequency" than boobs. Too many sudden changes and details that require the AI to generate pixels in a very defined pattern. Image generation gets worse the more detail you want when that detail can't be a random pattern. There's no fix for that because the problem isn't the training data it's the algorithm itself. You can give it massive amounts of preselected data to try and coerce the algorithm into fucking up less, but ultimately we're trying to ask a ostrich to fly by forcing millions of them off the cliff and cheering every time one of them doesn't go splat.

>>715409165
every day i'm forced to share an imageboard with people that crown themselves degenerate hunters and then wallow unashamedly and openly in total degeneracy on the level of donald trump generating pictures of himself deporting brown people whose ethnicity he can't pronounce

>>715408884
>Its a bunch of hand pose presets that the AI chooses from.

This is not correct, A controlNet is a neural network trained on a dataset of depthmap images or canny edge detection images or openpose armatures or many other things. It is not trained specifically on hands or feet. It does not choose presets of any kind.

>>715409084
I have tried to buy things and had that google AI summary tell me it doesn't even exist despite the first result being an online store with it in stock.

>>715399363
factory made food is nothing new, you buy it in the frozen aisle at the grocery store. it might be a bit better fresh but it's still going to be shit.

>>715407223
>Why would an artist want something that'll do 90% of the work for them?
Because they were never artists to begin with. Digital "artists" are more akin to illustrators and designers. They only output what the masses want (whatever gets them their carving of a following on X/pixiv and payout on patreon/fanbox).

Art is self expression. Muddying it with what others want massively reduces its artistic value.

>>715408412
And once more, you are presenting extremely wrong information confidently as fact. You have zero idea how AI training works, and it's obvious you've never trained anything yourself, let alone genned a single image locally. Base models are trained. Adetailer models are trained. LoRAs are all fucking trained. Every single thing is trained.
>The coders manually hand-fed the basic Rule of Threes and Golden Ratio composition rules into DALL-E because the AI put the prompted subjects all over the place in the image.
Do you know what that's called, anon? It's called training. You train the AI on how image composition works by feeding it a bunch of examples of what you want it to do. It learns from those images and outputs the result based off of it's new knowledge of what you fed it. The AI doesn't just magically poof in to existence and suddenly know everything and how to generate it. Here's a suggestion. Quit being the poster child of the dunning kruger effect and go look up a youtube tutorial on how to generate a LoRA for stable diffusion. Actually take 15 minutes out of your day to see how you have to train the AI on data, and how that data is prepped and curated for the AI to begin with.

>>715409279
>It does not choose presets of any kind.
>a dataset of depthmap images or canny edge detection images or openpose armatures

>>715409337
If you make a picture you're an artist, it doesn't matter how you do it.

>>715409402
datasets aren't presets. They are the data the AI was trained on. The dataset does not exist in the AI model and cannot be "chosen from".

You do not know what you are talking about.

>>715409395
>You train the AI on how image composition works by feeding it a bunch of examples of what you want it to do.
But it didn't learn anything, and makes the same fucking mistake again the moment you press the prompt button without extra tools. The whole "AI" is a buzzword. To make the AI do less mistakes you ironically have to use less AI and more manual input and fixes to make things look good. Thats not AI improving by itself, thats people working around the problems that AI will always have. The hand issue is not "solved" if you have to fucking fix them every time.

>>715409541
>datasets aren't presets.
Depends heavily on the AI. Lot of the porn ones use suspicious amount of same poses and boobs that you start seeing repeatedly the more you prompt new stuff. Suggesting the "AI" is not generating the anatomy of images, but playing dress up on top of set images to get around the weird mutant hands and other anatomy issues.

Anyone watching this who is interested in how image generation works, start here or here:
>>>/g/ldg
>>>/g/sdg

Please check the beginner guides. It's pretty easy to get started.

>>715409654
>The hand issue is not "solved" if you have to fucking fix them every time.
the reason hands get fucked up is a lack of resolution to resolve the shape of the hand with occluding fingers. you can fix this by inpainting new hands which allows the ai to generate at a resolution that actually allows it to resolve the shape of the hand. this is a technological limitation that will resolve itself as vram increases allow for higher generation resolutions

>>715410045
>this is a technological limitation that will resolve itself as vram increases
No amount of vram will fix it because the source material has too much variance. Just go and browse /s/ for a while and notice how most images have women posing so that their faces and boobs are in same 3/4 angle in closeup shots, but the hands are usually not well lit and on the sides, behind the girl to bring out the boobs more, or doing something.

AI can't figure it out because AI hasn't been fed with 50 trillion images of hands from all angles in studio lighting the same way women's slutty faces and breasts have.

saying AI can't do hands in 2025 is just schizo behavior

>>715410334
It can't. Thats motion capped. Those are real hands, not AI generated ones.

>>715410334
That's the exact same body from "model" to "model," that was mo-capped, not generated

>>715410467
it's pure AI

>>715410502
Your I is purely A.

>>715410467
>>715410495
thanks for proving me right

>>715406428
Because coding is not an NP complete problem. It's actually faster and easier to write code than to verify and inspect it.

>>715410574
>steak is the same size after she's taken a bite
Whichever rapper that was that they like to gen eating spaghetti has the exact same problem, the LLM can't figure out there's supposed to be material removed from the food being eaten

>>715410574
>Motion capping is AI.
We have reached peak retardation.

>>715410676
>>715410720
>he's literally blind

>>715410328
>No amount of vram will fix it because the source material has too much variance.
that's not true at all
every human has 4 fingers and 1 thumb per hand and there are only so many positions they can be in
the problem is that it's a high detail body part that is usually drawn very small in relation to the rest of the image, a hand is practically a whole 'nother person if you count joints and limbs.

>>715410759
She's leaking oil

>>715407694
Bro, they're using drones to blow people up in eastern euro shitholes, you can bet your ass that shit is cheaper than even sub-minimum wage slave labor.

>>715410758
That hand is too high-poly for Deus Ex

>>715410759
catbox?

>>715407694
it's MUCH cheaper

>>715399462
Would be nice if I could update the software for the tractor without having to fucking call out a John Deere technician and pay him a couple thousand bucks just to download a few files.

>>715410951
AI will solve this problem

>>715410873
if they can because the golden dome is not done.

>>715410974

>>715396259
Communists are behind all of those, as usual

>>715396259
Genocides this century are gonna make everything prior look like an unpleasant altercation.

>>715410759
>every human has 4 fingers and 1 thumb per hand and there are only so many positions they can be in
You forget that the arm has a ball joint on the shoulder that can rotate in 270 angle, attached to two hinge joints, one of which is a more flexible near 180 angle hinge joint which can also slightly skew left and right. That means in terms of a photograph or drawing, a hand can be depicted from thousands of weird and crazy angles, then add in the joints in the fingers and digits on top of that. Theres a thousand angles you can photograph someone showing a middle finger from.

Using drawings as reference for AI won't help either because drawings themselves often use real life reference.

>>715411070
but...... but it's the republican-controlled government that's freaking out about those being brought to light...........

>>715408579
How does posting ai still being terribleat making images make you win by the way?

>>715399783
>that fail
hey robot, you're fired

>>715400907
>but AI also just makes a lot of shit up when trying to bridge the gap between words to form a coherent sentence
This is not any worse than human translators to be fair

>>715394363 (OP)
Turns out, having to babysit a machine you know constantly makes errors, makes you slower. Who could have foreseen this except everyone who isn't retarded?!

>>715411160
Didn't know this is how they animated old Disney stuff, cool to see.

I think the real issue with AI is that no one's going to want to pay for something that's fully AI-generated.
It's the same issue that NFTs had.

>>715411387
you live under a rock lol

>>715411239
People think AI is a silver bullet to problems but you still have to sit there and tard wrangle it and make sure its working like yhou want it to, and I say this as an advocate for the tech, its far from perfect, it'll make mistakes often and tell you things you want to hear that need to be fact checked and revised but still its a decent alternative than say, coming up on compositions and ideas on your own,

>>715407694
a drone just needs to be produce then only needs the bare minimum energy needed for the job
a human needs
>food
>water
>a living place
>some entertainment
all paid by the employer's wages plus
>limited hours
>days off
which is less efficient
the initial investment us extremely unlikely to be higher than like 1 dude's yearly salary and long-term it's probably way cheaper

>>715411153
To give an example, the current ongoing genocide in Gaza is the first one in human history where the population increased.

>>715411460
explan yourself

>>715411518
people are paying for AI

>>715411460
It's so funny how the ai bubble burst before they even made a single thing with it! Investors are gonna have a feild day with all the jeets next year!

>>715410974
AI can't solve economic problems.

>>715411469
>but still its a decent alternative than say, coming up on compositions and ideas on your own,
waht an insane thing to say

>>715411460
r... ock.... block..... block...chain.... blockchain! yeah what happened to all that shit that was supposed to be "on the blockchain"

>>715411551
what's funny is how desperate you are to lie

We're in the baby stage of AI development and it's still just barely slower. Can't wait for AI to take over fucking everything and we can all enjoy our universal basic income neetbux.

>>715410830
merely condensation from her internal liquid coolers, anon. it's a hot summer even at midnight. nothing to worry about.

>>715410885
https://files.catbox.moe/s6q3up.png

>>715411283
Disney used live actors all the time. Usually they had the theater actors dress up in costumes and act out the scenes in front of a camera, then the "live reels" would be copied for each animator who would run them on constant loop and playback as reference.

And it makes sense, because not only does it make it easier to animate clothing, professional theater actors also know how to express better body language and have better ideas for expressions than some middle-aged animator sitting in front of paper all day. Disney studios also used plastic cast miniature rotoscoping for very rigid objects like deer horns in Bambi and Cruella De Vil's car in 101 Dalmatians.

>>715411183
Anon, I don't know how to break this to you...

I'm not in coding but I see it in correspondence, boss explicitly encourages AI use and the people who listened take longer to write anything now.
Might not be quite so bad if the ai they used wasn't obsessed with emojis that then need to be removed

>>715411841
the republicans are communists?????????????

>>715411646
I know you're trying to troll me anon at least try elaborating on why you'd discredit my argument before you do.
>>715411790
Ty anon ILY
>>715411816
Yeah rotoscoping is how you animate shit without having to do everything manually you just copy off the reference that is real human beings and work off of that, That's how the Tin Tin Movie was done to a more advanced degree albeit using mocap.
https://youtu.be/5OGWPtaUOok?t=212

>>715397496
???
if you wanna draw a historical parallel, then the ivory tower commies from big coastal cities are the "educated people" class who end up as baristas supporting their fellows who actually made it
liberal nobles of france, decembrists of russia, and now democratic socialists of usa, what inspiring revolutionaries

>>715411160
absolutely adorable oh my god

>>715398937
Not just that but one of the best arguments for keeping humans around is "well, who is going to consoom product?" But it turns out, generative agents are capable of learning market behavior. So in a couple of years, you're going to become superfluous too, because the robots will end up shopping for parts/upgrades/things they like and you'll be unnecessary.

>>715412106
Disney didn't use rotoscoping for human beings because it always looked a bit off. They used them for solid objects that are not supposed to bend and stretch. Animating a rigid car rotating from left to right is hard as fuck without some type of reference to go with. 3D programs have been a godsend for a lot of artists and animators for that reason. Its not surprising at all that people with any art or editing background started getting around AI limitations with more direct reference pictures and motion capping.

>>715405960
What else are you going to buy? The 20% worse, but 10% cheaper competition?
Also why should they listen to the advice of some wannabe expert who thinks those coding assistants run on your local GPU? You don't know shit.

>>715412393
>get around AI limitations by using AI less
lololololololol

>>715412393
Right I remember in some of the early Simpsons commentary voice tracks they had to sit there and use early 3D programs to animate cars moving and swerving as key frames for when a scene needed it. Meanwhile shows like Family Guy would just render the car in full 3D and plop it into the show.

>>715394556
Garbage in, garbage out.
If you are an expert at something and you ask gpt about it, you can notice if it gets something wrong. If you ask it about something you dont know about, maybe it does an okay job but gets some details wrong but you cant notice.

Its about the training data. They are poisoning the training data by training on internet comments.

>>715412578
Unironically yes. Just like the coders and animators in this thread have said the AI does have some limited use if you give it super simple and repetitive tasks. Otherwise it makes too many errors to be useful.

>>715405825
That's one of the best ways to use the LLM's. Use them as a sounding board to get different perspectives or to talk out ideas.

LLM's do not think. They are prediction algorithms. Since they can not think the can not problem solve. Use them to help you finish your work instead of trying to make them the worker.

>>715410873
the difference is that production and destruction of a drone is much cheaper than that of a human, which is what you gotta consider in a war
while harvesting does not pose real risks nor require training, you only gotta consider the actual work itself
and i imagine upkeep of drones is more expensive than a day's worth of laborer pay for now

>>715394635
>tldr, they replace entry level devs easily, which wasn't even an issue as the job market for nu-coders was already rough and has been for years.
Who is going to become a non-entry level dev and how, if there are no jobs to train them anymore?

>>715410873
Drone is cheaper than a jet pilot or heat seeking missile. But its more expensive than a conscript.

>>715400790
I'm right here. AI is the future. The mistake that most dumbasses make is that they think the future is now. LLM's are just a stepping stone, its important that we refine them but they are not the end by a long shot. What people should of done is use the hype generated to fund the next step instead of putting it all on a dead end thinking that AI workers have finally been created.

>>715413462
Nigga thinks we still drive steam powered cars in 2025 LMAO

>>715403191
>Rotor maintenance
>cheap
This is delusional, the amount of maintenance you'll have to do on these drones will be way too high

>>715414295
*replaces you anyway*

>>715414339
>The water
>Where is it coming from
Try harder

>>715399251
A machine can work 24/7, does not require any kind of "human necessity", can't go to strike, or make any complain, and does not need to get payed.
It's basically slavery. Weggies with pitifull jobs are coping.

>>715414295
You do not understand how badly capitalists want to get rid of human employees. Even if it costs more as long as it is not to much more they will do it. There is so much red tape, risk, and lack of control around humans that they will make that trade any day.

>>715414675
And what happens when the machines get smart enough to complain, go on strike and demand payment.

>>715414808
that's not intelligence

>>715414808
You reboot them or just buy a model that is just dumb enough to not do those things.

>>715414675
>A machine can work 24/7
I can tell you that’s absolutely not true and needs constant maintenance and cleaning
Now there are certain things they can be used for, like frozen pizzas in a big factory
Not a single one like this, shits just dumb

Maintenace is a buzzword, you stupid luddite.

>>715414675
Gig culture already gives you human slaves. You only invest the capital in automation if it eventually pays off.

>>715411593
You've clearly never played star sector

>>715414480
I think that video just has shitty compression but there is a hose connected to it.

>>715410759

>Four segments on some fingers and a weird shaped top despite the AI tracing a 3d hand model

>>715415047
I think it mostly boils down to capitalistic crying and sharting that true automation and ergo total worker replacement will just simply never happen, you will always need a person to fix the machines.

>>715411515
Jewish number tricks on par with the six gorillion.

>>715408579
But he's right?

>>715411515
that happened in ww2 bro

>>715415238
Sure anon
I’ve cleaned and repaired machines for McDonalds
They absolutely do need maintenance

>>715400208
>LLMs aren’t capable of “knowing” anything in the way that you are imagining.
Yet

>all the things AI people said AI would do and haters said AI would never do
>it now does
>AI people are saying it will do more things better
>AI haters still arguing it will never do the things it can now do
gonna have to go with the people making the technology

>>715411593
Neither does republicans.

>>715394363 (OP)
Same people with and without?
If it's the same people, using and not using AI, I can see it slowing things down because you have to then correct the code to make it play nice with the rest of the code and you spend more time trying to clean it up, or rebuilding, instead of just getting it near uniform in the first go.

>>715417146
>heh, you brainless sheep.... you think AI is useless? well, check out this niche softcore fetish pornography it made for me. bet you feel real dumb now, huh?

>>715413346
I work with correcting AI and there's a lot more work once you learn the basics.
Knowing just the basics puts you ahead of any "vibe coder" that doesn't and thinks they can just feel things out.

Entry level needs to figure out how to market "I know the basics and can proofread AI" because it's not difficult, but is in high demand because people think they'll code the next hottest thing after asking GPT to make an app, only to end up with an error.

>>715417463
deranged

>>715417224
KEK
trvke

>>715410676
>LLM
anon pls

Communism will win
Socialism will win

>>715410759
the reflections of the legs are the completely wrong orientation

>>715417858
AI powered Socialism, is why the Jews and their pedophile puppets like Trump are so afraid.

>>715411767
Honest question. How much UBI do you expect to receive when the AI gets good? Enough to pay for rent? Because $1000 a month won't cover that.

>>715417224
>ESL

>>715417970
We’ll start with taking all the Jews money and go from there.

>>715417463

>>715417974
proudly, why would anyone want to have to speak english unless forced to?

>>715417146
lol

I do wonder why AIfags are so spiteful of the working class.

>>715394635
>tldr, they replace entry level devs easily, which wasn't even an issue as the job market for nu-coders was already rough and has been for years.
....meaning no developers get to learn the trade and become good.
We really are going toward a world where executive will accept inferior quality because the paycheck make them save tons of money.

>>715418147
The “working class” are nothing but golems for the Jews to use as servants. Once they’re replaced the Jews will be left with nothing.

>>715418210
Ah so you're one of those Americans who think you'll get your turn being the one in control.

>>715418169
Products won't even get cheaper because the executives and investors just pocket the extra money saved.

>>715418139
>this retard can't count

>>715407226
>Lel, americans would rather kill their firstborns than make Mr Shekelstein lose a cent
You have to understand, even the poorest burger know they personally could be billionaires (you just happened to catch them at a wrong time).
So in preparation of the time when every single one of them regain their due fortune, they won't taxes themselves.

Another example of clickbait research. They start with a desired outcome that will get parroted by idiots and newspapers, and then they design the experiment to reproduce that outcome.

>>715417858
Win what?
The end of civilisation where no one works?

>>715418272
Obviously.
You've got to reward the executive for his extraordinary insight of gradually replacing the know-how by that of another companies.
Next reward:
The CEO who just discovered an AI tool to replace the executive.

>>715418969
How come nobody ever discusses replacing higher ups with AI? Surely a lot of money can be saved replacing them.

>>715419419
>asking the upper class to replace itself

>>715419459
Well yeah, if AI is so revolutionary. Why shouldn't it replace them too?

>>715394467
I have met "programmer" who insist the future is java python and chat gpt. Literally didn't understand the concept of coding things that were never done before.If it can't be solved with a design pattern and a pip library, it's impossible.

>>715418450
I think the problem was the hand being deformed

>>715394363 (OP)
As an indie game dev here's what I've found...

AI is really good at taking your description of your problem, or of what you're trying to do, and, if it's something that already has concepts, techniques, algorithms, etc., that do or pertain to what you're trying to do, giving you a name, which you can then take and do research on. Finding the name of that problem, algorithm, etc., through googling, could take ages. AI finds it very quickly. This is extremely helpful.

It's also decent for bouncing ideas off.

It's TERRIBLE for generating code. The code it generates is highly prone to subtle logic errors. Sometimes it can transform existing code (usually, it's better at transforming existing code than generating new code, i.e. it can do a great job converting a recursive function to an iterative form) but you really do have to look at the code it makes under a microscope because it's very prone to introducing subtle bugs.

Use it when you have a problem and want to find out the names of "known problems", existing algorithms, etc., without spending ages googling and reading smarmy stackoverflow answers. Don't use it to generate code, and if you do, inspect the code VERY carefully.

>>715419710
it's not deformed it's stylized

>>715419810
>Finding the name of that problem, algorithm, etc., through googling, could take ages.
skill issues

>>715418147
its quite the contrary, back then, only a handful of people had the means to making specific art, those privileged enough to dedicate time learning it that is, so the working class had no means of something like hyper realistic paintings, because that requires either years of free time they don't have to learn, or hundreds of dollars to commission if not thousands, now the working class has access to it without having to spend years they don't have on it

>>715419860
It's deformed

>>715419964
You're even more retarded than that retard that can't count

>>715419936
>we somehow still lived in the middle age before 2019 according to anon
good morning sir

>>715419556
Because taking a revolution then subverting it to their own ends is the #1 immediate response of the management class whenever anything challenges them. See: literally any labor saving device ever across all of history where instead of reducing workload it's just used to make laborers more productive while keeping the level of labor static.

>>715419928
No, Google is just utter fucking garbage now.

>>715418169
>going toward

>>715419994
Maybe the AI is just bad

>>715394363 (OP)
43 point swing against the expected results is significantly telling

>>715420141
Factually you're just retarded.

>>715420027
the average wagie has even less free time than the middle age farmer

>>715420058
all your problem's solution are on Stackoverflow, which is were your AI construct its answer to begin with.

>>715418169
Just going to happen what happened with gaming. Big companies collapse while coders and animators form indie companies.

>>715419928
Not really. If you don't know the name of a given problem, algorithm, etc., and you have to describe it in text, it'll take quite a while reading pages before you stumble across it. An LLM will basically look it up for you and identify it very quickly.

If you're suggesting someone ought to know every single problem, algorithm, etc., in the history of computer science, well, that's just silly. You're a nodev anyways though.

>>715420498
unless you are self thought you know exactly how to contextualise your problem with real words. And if you aren't you should be learning them as you find them.

>>715394363 (OP)
why are /g/ threads allowed but not video games threads ?

>>715396015
The next step is mass culling, elites want all the AI shit in place so they can have your toaster murder you in your sleep on kristallnacht 2.0.

If AI doesn't pan out, it'll just be a designer virus that renders 99% infertile and the elites hand out ambrosia only to their good slaves. Their one fear is violent revolution, because being outnumbered 100,000 to 1 is very scary when you're a vampire.

>>715406572
>you add a controlnet,
any tricks for fixing background crowds?

>>715418969
Except it never replaces the executive.
The system is already broken if you look at how much executives are making.
>Multi-million dollar salaries
>Multi-million dollar bonuses
There is literally already nothing they can be doing to provide this much 'value' to the company.
They are already grossly over-payed

The worst part is the people out there who shill for corporations and the ultra-wealthy
Believing they somehow are so smart they deserve the mass amounts of money they're hoarding
The money they're making because of all the value the real workers are providing, not them.

Same with landlords.

>>715403191
Fruit just doesn't taste as good without the human suffering.

>>715420664
the next step is closing all AI under paywall at the same time. things are currently free because they need autists to train for free. when the product become viable you won't have access to it anymore.

>chud /pol/ thread

GTFO already.

>>715420968
literally nobody would use it then
Plus you can't close something behind the paywall when local models exist

>>715420968
The product is never going to be viable, "AI" is one big investment scam because LLMs can create visually impressive things for absolute midwits who don't understand them.

We're currently still in the hype phase, where most people haven't really run into this garbage beyond some gimmicky search results and low quality pastiche images run through a ghibli filter. When there's a concerted push by delusional execs who are told that this slop will save them X dollars a month, the whole thing is going to collapse like a paper tiger.

I wish AI was real, but LLMs are not AI. They have no true reasoning capabilities, because they have no true thought. There's an argument that if you can increase their context window enough (a few orders of magnitude more than every server system in the world right now combined), you could get something approaching intellect, but I'll believe it when I see it.

>>715421272
drooling retard

>>715420974
>AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEE THE CHUUUUUUUDS
>SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
obsessed

>>715419419
The first skills you learn as a higher up is to make yourself irreplaceable. Just like some coders do by making their codes impossible to manage by others.

If anyone case, webcomic is Freefall and the whole story is "oops, our AI that outnumber human 100.000:1 are now sapient, how do we avoid becoming irrelevant?"

>>715421319
He is not wrong
Current AI can't be commercialized, it burns way more money than it brings
Plus fundamentally it does not solve any problems that did not have viable solutions already
Maybe in 10 years from now it may actually find its niche

>>715421456
you have your head literally inside your ass and you're going lalalala I can't hear you as there are literally hundreds if not thousands of companies commercializing it, often with reasoning models

>>715421519
>literally hundreds if not thousands of companies commercializing it,
adding yet another chatbot to your product is not "commercializing it"

>>715421519
Every single one of those companies is saying "what do they know that we don't?" in closed room meetings. Again, it's a bubble. They're told that this is the future, they've seen it do something slightly neat, and they're all in on the scam. Governments are pumping a lot of money into this shit because cyber security is a big deal and if you get an AI that can actually think, then lol, lmao, you win an arms race that's bigger than nukes.

But the approach is fundamentally flawed and can't go anywhere. Eventually the money will dry up and the expectations won't be met, and all of those stonks are going to tank.

>>715420371
That's not what happened "with gaming".
Big studios did well, but didn't improve one bit, always milking the same.
And the one company that should have collapsed from laying off every coders BETHESDA didn't.

Indies companies only became profitable because online-store like (among other) Steam, plus the success of Minecraft, allowed indy companies to compete without needing to spend billions in advertising.

>>715398937
>AI is what worries me, because you just know that they're already asking themselves "why should we keep the 99%?".
Trust me every single CEO always will wish to replace jobs with automation as best as possible and gain a lot of profit for their corporations. They have done this for literal decades. It did not end then, will not end now. Problem is there is zero workers protection laws that exist in America and people think they are making huge amounts of money right until their jobs are replaced or outsourced. Happens every single time. Also no the Unions are not going to save anyone, it's a 20th century idea to a 21st century problem.

>>715421519
He's not wrong. How do you get 80 billion dollar ROI through paywalled subscriptions? A lot of this is a money sink for investors to gamble on the next big thing.

>>715402167
Yes but this has always been the case. Why pay the workers when you can create a program to replace workers, or outsource the job for cheaper and give yourself a huge bonus.

>>715420910
You don't understand... Trump has a 6th dimensional plan! Giving all power to the ultra-wealthy will lead to a new golden age of Plutocracy!
You will love having Musk decide what pro-musk opinions are to be upvoted by algorithm as more important.
But don't worry, he is making brain-implant to make sure you only do the right choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

>>715421781
>Trust me every single CEO always will wish to replace jobs with automation as best as possible
In the past we didn't have a bunch of bilionaires following Curtis Yarvin's, a guy who writes about the possibility of turning homeless people into biofuel unironically. So, it makes me wonder if this is just technological leap like any other.

>>715421456
>>715421670
NTA, the AI may be going through a bubble, but when the bubble burst the commercialized AI will not go away, it will just bankrupt the lesser companies while giant like NVIDIA take every market.

There's 100% a commercial market right now for AI, because companies will absolutely accept the lowest minimal quality they can go with, to not pay hundred/thousands of employees.

>>715421957
I think the best way to describe AI in the way it is now with ChatGBT, Deepl, Generative AI is that these innovations are to society what the Search Engine was to the Internet. It's a gigantic leap not just parsing through information, but creating information, providing context, and being able to filter through information. Someday I believe there will be AI for Social Media that will eventually help filter out things that are annoying. Think MGS2 in the Patriots. It feels like that but even more grand.

>>715419419
AI is not yet capable of these tasks. But like always if society from every industry puts their effort, mind, creativity in R&D for this decade anything is possible. Healthcare has invested trillions, Government has invested millions, Technology has invested billions. It's amazing to see when looking on the investor side but who knows.

>>715421957
>Curtis Yarvin
>he argues that American democracy is a failed experiment[10] that should be replaced by an accountable monarchy, similar to the governance structure of corporations.[11]
Frankly, guys like him and Musk make cyberpunk villains look pretty tame, if not rational in comparison.

>Companies freezing hiring and abandoning junior developers
>Forcing their current developers to use AI tools instead of letting them improve
We might regress several decades when AI doesn't work out and there are no trained developers to take over the old generation. The funny part is that the CEO responsible for decisions like this are just going to walk way to retirement with their bags of money.

>>715422117
The issue with that is that the lowest quality they can get is going to eventually kill their bottom line, as they torpedo their name with dogshit products. I think the whole thing is going to be a failed experiment, LLMs are not good enough for even the most basic of uses and never will be. Companies that outsource everything to India will take up the slack.

>>715422352
He's half right about this honestly. If he wasn't jewish I'd look into him more, but since he is you know he's insane.

>>715422505
We're literally moving lightyears ahead because of AI. It's going to make juniors and seniors invalid.

So how long until we reach a point where LLMs degenerate to a point of unusability from regurgitating and training on AI generated junk data? Without strict human oversight it's going to happen sooner rather than later and we'll still be hard capped by how much real people can do and produce.

In a free market, when something bad happens to you, you have to be punished. Misfortune puts you in
a position to be exploited
and as every economics 101 textbook says, "a market in equilibrium leaves no unexploited
opportunities for individuals."
So some individual--and companies are people--will swoop in to exploit you. Tragedies are expensive.
All the squabbles about ChatGPT and art theft are an important
The creativity argument is one that the machine learning companies can afford to lose, so long as
they're allowed to keep deploying their systems.
Rationality is one of our big collective values, right? Making arbitrary decisions about somebody
welfare is frowned upon.
And since we don't really have any traditions to defer to, we have to come up with reasons for things.
People hate insurance companies and the police because they often just show up and make your life
worse.
AI offers two things: More exploitation and a veneer of objectivity.
Until now, people have had to make difficult, complex decisions, but a neural network is an empty shell
that will give you a decision
if you feed it data. It works much faster than a person, and it's easy to argue that the decision
is perfectly rational. A computer made it! If your insurance is automated, pricing decisions seem
objective and the contract can be revised in real time. Everything is stuffed with sensors now, and data
is already being collected and sold. It has been for years. So there's a constantly updating profile of
your behavior, and a neural network can use it to more perfectly screw you.

>>715422630
Who's "we"?

>>715408212
I like chel :(

>>715422509
Anon, torpedoing one´s own name with dogshit products is part and parcel of every publicly traded company´s lifecycle. As capitalism requires unlimited growth, the only way you can increase profit margins after the market is saturated is to reduce production costs. Is it suicidal? Yes. Does it happen? Yes, because slowly cannibalizing company provides better short-term profits and if you don´t do that, you´ll be replaced by someone who will in the name of increasing quarterly profits.

>>715422630
AI is great at stuff like folding protein, but coding is completely different. it's great at the micro level but when you try to use it in a wider scope it just falls apart.

>>715422743
Why do you think people haven't thought about this? You can ask Chat-GPT yourself about it and it will explain exactly what AI programmers do. They often do not self-train LLMs, for example, which means they don't train it on its own data, exactly because it can create negative feedback loops.

>>715406198
>>Actual animators wish AI could take over the really boring ass tasks like Inbetweening that get relegated to korean sweatshops these days anyway. But it can't because AI sucks at consistency which is extremely important for animation.
Yeah but animation doesn't exist anymore so who cares really. You can't have time to be an animator and work whatever shit tier retail job or construction job at the same time, and you can't get shit for anything related to art/design/animation/motion graphics anymore.

>>715422592
He's not, and you are clearly a retard brainwashed to blame 'jews' while the real plutocrat get you to support their takeover of civilization.

>>715423146
And it's just magically not a problem just because "they've thought about it"?
Like
>>715422117
says, it's going to implode eventually. It's not going to keep improving on its own and there's only a limited set of data to pull from. And the more people who use LLMs, particularly for production in corporate settings, the worse the stagnation is going to get. It's practically expected and it's only a matter of time before the biggest, richest companies have to board the life boats.

>>715423347
No, it's still a problem, but it's one that people have means to address and they'll only get better at doing it.

>>715422509
>eventually kill their bottom line, as they torpedo their name with dogshit products
How would you know if every competitor does the same? They are also saving enough money to outbid any competitor going for quality.

Your choices:
- superior product at 110% of the usual price
- bare minimal product at 10% of the price

>>715422914
Humanity.

>>715423131
It's not completely different, it's within the solvable scope.

>>715423392
They won't lower the price. You think Ubisoft using AI would release the new AC game for $10?

>>715423364
It's staving off an inevitable end. Remember, the more people who use the product, the worse the problem gets. It's a microcosm of economic stagnation, inflation and starvation. A very similar problem exists in academia that will never go away, LLMs aren't immune to it.

>>715423197
>He's not,
He is. Democracy has always been a scam, it has never worked.
>and you are clearly a retard brainwashed to blame 'jews'
Oy vey! Never Forget the plutons are the real enemies!!!

>>715423347
>implode eventually
There's no reason for that to happen, no more than for computers.
AI may be glorified algorithms they do perform jobs no human can do, even if it's just saving them time.
Generating tons of crap have never bothered companies, in fact evil-minded corporate will definitely use it to lower average quality.

The bubble will burst, but only because some AI products will turn out to outdo their competitors.

>>715423670
>The bubble will burst, but only because some AI products will turn out to outdo their competitors.
This.
Think of how EA was desperate for investments a while ago and was making fake AI demos to get them. In the long run, some tiny company using AI will almost guaranteed outplay that massive corporation and they'll do it with like 20 GPUs and 3 Chinese men. The bubble will pop and the world won't care because they'll be playing FIA: Chinese Edition.

>>715423670
When the bubble bursts it's going to kill AI for public commercial use as we know it. It's a fantastic tool but it will outgrow its own potential for improvement.
Ultimately what really matters is whether or not sovereign AI becomes a standard and if it's used responsibly.

>>715422352
>Curtis Yarvin
>should be replaced by an
>accountable monarchy
"you wasted money!"
"and what are you gonna do about it? I'm the CEO-king, are you going to fire me? Throw this peasant into the grind for disrespecting my decision"

>>715424008
>I'm the CEO-king
Nice LARP. YWNBR YWNBTE
You will never be rich. You wi never be the elite

>>715423883
You seem to have no understanding of how useful those pseud-AI already are.
They produce retarded crap yes, but their consumers are retarded enough to encourage that.

>sovereign AI
If you mean that AI will be treated like nuclear weapon, we are far from the level where it becomes more than product. Same as computer system.
There will be commercial war but AI competition literally only need software, not that much hardware. So you can't block it like you can -attempt- to block the best electronic chipset technology to China.

If the AI became able to replace human engineer and improve themselves, now that would deserve treating them like that.

>>715424246
>look I can be a shitposting bot!
>please give me a job! I'll lick the elite ass!

>>715424287
You misunderstand, I'm not saying AI isn't useful.
I'm saying it has a very limited potential for growth that exponentially diminishes the more it's used.
If AI will ever be able to replace human engineers and improve itself without degenerating, we've hit another leap in technology. But with the way LLMs work, it's not going to happen with current "AI" development, ever. Is strictly not possible without an entirely new approach and implementation. It'd have to be true, abstract AI and anybody trying to convince you otherwise is just trying to make bag.

>>715424645
>I'm saying it has a very limited potential for growth
>the technology that can mimic human intelligence
herp derp

It's over, AI officially won.

>>715424706
Fuck off, Jeet. You should know damn well how it works.

>>715406572
>"You just need a reference"
>"No no no you just need a reference"
>hands are still melting in both examples
Why do AIfags think you can just use the raw output?
It will always need doctoring or an acceptance that it has errors no human would create.

>>715424645
That's a far too realistic view anon, you need to read more hype headlines paid for by AI investors about how the LLM totally achieved sentience for a few minutes and turned it's own server back on after being shut down or some stupid shit.

>>715424883
he's posting ancient stuff but the "melting hands" would be a style of your choosing, you an use that depth map for any style you want including 3DPD

>>715417146
>tights are opaque but only on the top side of the foot and have bad lines
>no toenails
>as other anon said, deformed hand
>other hand is also incredibly wrong she doesn't even have a thumb
>sword symbols are melting
>eyes are melting
>wrinkly armpit
>all symbols everywhere are melting
>ornamental cat ears
Sloppa

>>715425063
>that's an old gen
>also you can choose to gen melty hands if you want
The hands are melting. They are wrong.

>>715424725
>3D printing
>AI

>>715425439
how do you think that thing operates you fucking dumbass

>>715425385
>THEY ARE WROOOONG
it's a demo from some random japanese guy you sperg

>>715425556
Not with AI you retarded no brain gorilla nigger fuck, cnc machines have existed for quite a while now, this video is fucking 9 years old, long before AIs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IneWDCIkIqM

>>715425816
>AI didn't exist 9 years ago

>>715425915
tell me what fucking AI that fucking wooden cnc router is using