Thread 715411231

How can PC gamers defend this garbage

>>715411231 (OP)
Nobody is defending Windows 11, why can't zoomers communicate without layers of disingenuous memes and irony?

I'm just stopping in to ensure that fpbp can go neither to /pol/ nor to a nerd who actually knows the answer

>>715411362
Linux and Mac OS users are <1%
PC jeets love windows

>>715411231 (OP)
nobody does. it's pure, unadulterated trash nobody asked for. only exists to lower your FPS force you to get a (((TPM)))

>>715411489
im currently dual booting Fedora+Kde plasma and windows 10. Im slowly getting used to the linux environment and hopefully going to be able to fully migrate before the end of windows 10 support but jesus christ theres a lot of stuff that just doesnt work properly. i shouldnt have to spend an entire day troubleshooting just to get games working and discord needs to get its act together to actually fucking worn on linux. other than that, its 100x better than windows.

>>715411231 (OP)
i don't, i've been on linux exclusively for nearly 3 years on my gaming computer and i will never go back.

>>715411231 (OP)
I'm on Windows 11 for two months now. It's alright

>>715411231 (OP)
no alternatives for kernel level anticheat gaymes, linuxtards cant play fifa and fortnite with their friends.

>>715417137
oh no, not FIFA and fortnite?! how will I cope?!

>>715417179
avg friendless lintranny

>>715417606
>hurr durr people with friends have to play sportball 202x and fortnite.

It just works

>>715411362
You'll be defending it in 5 years just like you defend Windows 10 now even though everybody shat on it when it came out.

>>715411231 (OP)
You don't even understand what a PC is.

>>715411231 (OP)
It is so incredibly bad. The mobile phone user interface alone is horrible and such a massive eyesore that it triggers me immensly. I unironically might just stay on Windows 10 and wait until Windows 12 or something. It is THAT garbage. But who am I kidding? Windows 12 will probably be even worse somehow.

I "upgraded" to w10 from w7 like a year ago, it will be like 5 years until I "upgrade" from w10 now.

Fuck I liked w7 so much

>>715411231 (OP)
i dont lol, i use linux

>>715417805
So what you're saying is windows 12 is going to be even worse? Damn, imagine if they spent even 1/10th as much effort trying to make it good as they are intentionally making it it shit.

>>715418197
Same here brother, what distro you on? I'm on CachyOS.

>>715417137
>he's an actual third worlder

>>715411231 (OP)
All games are available on it.

>>715411370
Failure.

>>715411231 (OP)
I work on macOS. I play on CachyOS. Easy as that.

>>715411231 (OP)
I can't I'm switching to Linux ASAP. I'm done with windows. Started with XP. It's over.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3mdHmhI3cs

>>715417805
>Skip every other version on Windows
>Wait several years into new OS lifespan
>Download debloated version
>Runs great
If 12 keeps the apple OS look I'm switching. I said the same thing with the tiles bullshit which Microshit finally dropped when 8 was a thing

>>715417742
that's windows 10
windows 11 is still a buggy techtest

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows 10 vs Windows (10) plus UI updates.
It's surprising how tech illiterate people are.

I haven't had a single issue with W11, I installed it correctly with a local account, disabled all the bloat, telemetry and AIslop.

For gaming Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC is the way to go and than in the early 2030s switching to Linux.

>>715411231 (OP)
I never had any issue

>>715421445
>he thinks he can disable the spyware
LOL

>>715421445
>disabled all the bloat, telemetry and AIslop.
Nobody tell him

still on windows 7
steam works fine so im never switching

>>715411231 (OP)
>set task bar to the left
Other then that, its an OS. I dont see any real issues with it for normal use.
My experience has been pretty much the same from 8.1 and up.
Yes its different but it works 99% the same for an average end user

>deep threads on steam about the end of windows 7 support
>lol just get windows 10 bro
>lolinux
>don't upgrade then, steam doesn't need youlol
>windows 10 is better bro
>lolkeklolkeklolkek

I'd swear it was the jeets astro turfing for MS if not for zoomers being literally this retarded irl

>>715421701
SAAR YOU MUST UPGRADE OR HACKERS WILL PUT PORNOGRAPHY AND VIRUSES ON YOUR COMPUTER
SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE 0.01% OF PEOPLE USING LINUX, MACOS AND WINDOWS BEFORE 10
NOOOOO STOP NOTICING HOW TELEMETRY BECAME MANDATORY SINCE 10 AND HOW 11-10 ARE USED BY RETARDED SHEEPS YOU BLOODY BITCH BASTARD

>>715421445
>he actually thinks any of it is disabled
Lmao

Alright, I'll bite. Since my computer turned into a jet engine with windows 11 installed even when idle.
What's a good Linux to use if you want to game? I still play wow classic with my guildies and old rpgs. No new shit.

>>715421801
What I find funny is when people pull out percentages.
It's hilariously skewed when you remember just how anyone who doesn't fall for "muh latest OS" fad usually don't like sharing informations.
I don't think I've filled a Steam survey in like a decade by now, and I removed the telemetry update from W7.

Man I WANT to swap to linux but I have over a decade of shit in my win10 installation, react images, personal photos and videos, game saves and side projects. Literally like 15 years of my life across the drives and if I knew how to transfer that shit without spending hours loading it onto an external drive, I would swap right now

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows 11 goes hard

>>715421701
games don't update now because steam silently changed their update protocol and old steam clients can't recognize it
you can use depot distro apparently but end of an era regardless

>>715411489
actually indians is one of the biggest userbase on linux
chinese are the ones not on linux.

>>715422045
>buy new hard drive
>install linux on it
>add it to your pc
>boot on linux
>access old files whenever you want
it's really not that hard anon, you're putting roadblocks where there are none

>>715411231 (OP)

Not today, Satan.

>>715422026
>anyone who doesn't fall for "muh latest OS" fad usually don't like sharing informations.

And you are basing this fact on what survey?

>>715422207
Hold on, you can just mount and access NTFS drives in linux?
Holy fuck, am I retarded? I swear I looked up exactly that and found nothing

>>715421804
I put those pornographies and viruses on my computer myself. Now what, Mr. MicroPoo?

>>715422068
It's just very weird on what works and what doesn't since the new compression.
Seems installing is fine and older updates are fine too, but newer updates is 50/50 on whether or not they work.
I just updated Streets of Rogue today just fine for instance but in the same day Project Zomboid just failed, so maybe it's tied to the dev whim or how old the game is? Not sure.
Honestly I'm more annoyed by how half-assed the whole thing is, they could have easily set up backward compatibility, but they just didn't, and worst, they didn't even care about what Steam would do if it doesn't work, since on older OS it just get stuck in an extremely bandwidth wasting loop if you don't stop it manually.
It reeks of Valve getting more and more lazy.

>>715422525
of course you can.
i don't recommend playing games from linux on your ntfs drive but it works.

>>715422604
Thanks Anon. Its still a monumental task, but a little more approachable now than it was yesterday. Perhaps I should set up that dualboot

>>715422715
>setting up dual boot is a monumental task
it's really not, it takes like 1 hour tops.
i get that it's scary doing stuff you've never done before, but these days linux "just works".
grab yourself something like fedora, mint or ubuntu and you won't even have to turn off safe boot.

>>715422715
DON'T LISTEN TO THE LINUX FAG
I MADE THE MISTAKE OF INSTALLING LINUX AND MY PENIS FELL O

>>715411489
Steam hardware survey alone for Linux is 2.75%.
Linux users tend to be more privacy oriented so they don't do surveys like that as it basically scans your pc.

>>715424273
Same goes for people still on W7, lots of users don't do survey.

>>715422868
your penis fellow?

The last windows OS I used was 8.1 and I can't even imagine the fuckery going on with 10 and 11.The first PC am buying gets Linux,no questions

>>715424596
>he doesn't have a penis fellow to hold his penis while peeing

>>715422868
>>715424596
>>715424879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVIVJjuaHE
>Hey dol! merry dol! my penis fell o!

>>715422138
>Still posting this fake meme
Indian OS statistics are worthless, because they're based on hits to websites running statcounter and get their information from the user agent.
Almost all of that traffic is misreported due to user agent spoofing being used by poorly coded phone apps and review farms and the traffic will be disproportionately represented by review farms and unintentionally DDOSing phoneslop, because it is tracking hits and not unique users.

>>715411231 (OP)
Give me an alternative that just werks

>>715411231 (OP)
Microsoft run a monopoly, the US government allow them to do it because they create backdoors for the intelligence agencies so the US can not only spy on the people but other nations too.

Linux is still seen as too complicated to setup.

>>715411489
windows 10 not 11

>>715427518
Unless you try to judge it by criteria that Windows will also fail, the answer is Linux.
>inb4 chinkshit spyware enjoyin', CAD designin', obsolete Jap game playin', terminal fearin', audio engineerin', photoshop usin', image filepickin', outdated ISO installin' bait poster
Just use a VM for the one Windows program you need.

>>715427518
Nintendo

>>715421993
I have not tried WoW Classic, but pretty much all the old games work except the turbojank ones that have hardware issues and nobody caring if they run.
Try Debian with KDE Plasma if you want a modern look. XFCE + IceWM +IDesk if the computer is a potato. If it's a super potato computer then Linux Puppy.

>>715411231 (OP)
We don't

>>715411489
>>715422138
no jeet or chink uses a legitimate copy of windows.
Microsoft is in a struggle where the ones making and lobotomizing their shit are the same people.

>>715428198
>using an OS with a fatass on its logo

>>715421993
>wow
wow is one of the few games that have basically always worked on linux.
bazzite for gaming.
ignore the debian recommendation, lmao.

>>715417805
I don't know anyone who defended it

>>715417805
My favorites are the ones who hate it but can't stop parroting
>Huh Windows 11 sucks ass, it's bloated, it looks like shit, it runs like shit NOOOOOO YOU MUST UPDATE YOU CAN'T STAY ON AN OLDER OS AAAAAAAAA

>>715411231 (OP)
They aren’t, which is why the majority of PC gamers are still using 10, and why Microsoft is trying so hard to push people to “upgrade”
They got their forced copilot ai bulllshit taking pictures of your screen every few seconds now, the same shit they got going on with North Korean cell phones lol

>>715411231 (OP)
There's literally no alternative.
>how can people defend breathing???????

>>715429304
You have to go back. Literally.
Use an older OS, anything that actually require W11-10 to run just isn't worth it for all the pain in the ass those OS causes.
Or go for a different OS, I'm not your dad.

>>715429526
>Use an older OS
for the love of god, please don't.
stay on windows 10-11, move to linux or hell even FreeBSD if you're feeling frisky, but stop pushing windows 7.

>>715429526
>Use an older OS
for the love of god, please do.
leave windows 10-11 behind, don't move to linux or hell even FreeBSD unless you're feeling like trooning out, start going on windows 7.

>>715411231 (OP)
I use an Nvidia gpu

>Windows
Click play, it just works
>Linux
To solve the flickering, in KDE Plasma, set the game to window mode, pray to Satan, have sex with your mom, cut a vein and MAYBE it will work properly
Linux is a joke

>>715429526
>>715429708
>Use an older OS
Yes, and get every virus in the universe.

If you buy a new laptop now it's gonna come with win11 preinstalled.

Also upgrading to 11 solved it issue of games freezing on goypass for me

>>715430127
>use script blocker
>now you're safe as long as you aren't retarded and download music.exe
Wow, it was so difficult.

>>715430127
>get every virus in the universe.
i'm boosting my immune system
>>715430151
some laptops come with linux preinstalled, bonus you don't pay for the windows license.

>>715430214
your best bet is that nobody uses windows 7 anymore so there won't be as much malware made for it. security through ... scarcity ?
but yeah, the problem about vulnerabilities is that they can bypass system defenses, so no matter what you do you will get hit unless they get patched, and good luck getting anyone to patch windows 7 or porting modern browsers to it.

>>715411231 (OP)
Who are you quoting/implying/referring to?

>>715429526
>GPU requires 10/11
>good games require my GPU
What now, fucko?

>>715429526
I'M NOT YOUR FATHERRRRRRRR

anyone here tried win11? any issues?

>>715430530
I barely use Windows 10.

the only people saying "its so bad" also happen to be the only people so tech illiterate and dumb they dont know how to install a basic debloater and make a few customizations to suit their own taste

same people too dumb to use ublock, who watch and obsess over twitch streamers, who play bing bing wahoo and gacha garbage, who watch anime and castrate themselves, etc

>>715430530
Apart from getting used to the new look then not really

>>715411231 (OP)
>have windows 11
>twitch says I login from a win10 machine

wtf?

>>715430668
>run debloater
>windows reinstalls everything next update
thank you daddy microsoft

>>715430668
Like, all you need to do is just run the chris Titus tool and it's fine. It's not even a pain to do anymore

>>715411231 (OP)
It's windows 10.2 where you have to spend 10 minutes changing some settings. If you think 10 is fine then you are retarded and shouldn't complain about 11.

>>715430781
Doesn't happen on my machine. Just like all the other complaints retards like you have.
>ads
Never seen a single one.
>context menu
changed in 20 seconds then changed back because it's less bloated which is kinda nice

>>715430530
It's fine after having to mess around a bit to revert Microsofts retarded UI decisions and uninstalling some stuff. Smooth sailing since then.

>>715429526
>anything that actually require W11-10 to run just isn't worth it
That shit is so retarded. You children might be fine with only loading pre 2000 HTML only pages and using notepad for everything else, but other people actually want to get shit done.
>all the pain in the ass those OS causes
I'm starting to believe that you idiots are just tech illiterate. No normal person, not talking about experts here, has any of those issues you autists keep fantasizing about.

>>715430404
He'll just say that everything that came out after MSDOS was shit and a waste of time.

>>715421993
If you can't get Windows to run properly you'll die with Linux. Install your drivers. You do that by typing "how to install drivers" into google.

>>715411231 (OP)
I don't understand why people are so mad about it, it works just like windows always does. I did not run into any issues. I had to customise a few things to be the way I like but otherwise it works out of the box.
Weirdos just hate it on principle because hating the new windows version is just something you do. What are you going to do about it anyway, not use it, Linux desktop is always just round the corner but we never get there

>>715431581
Shut the fuck up jeet

>>715431589
>Linux desktop is always just round the corner but we never get there
stats have been slowly climbing though, these days there's more gamers on linux than mac.
>>715431581
>If you can't get Windows to run properly you'll die with Linux. Install your drivers.
this always makes me laugh, linux comes with preinstalled drivers btw, unless you're an nvidia cuck.

>>715421237
>If 12 keeps the apple OS look
You can hire a homeless guy, give him 20 minutes with google and he'll figure out how to change the look of your OS for you. He might be drugged out of his mind, but he's not a incompetent as you are.

>>715431671
>these days there's more gamers on linux than mac.
That's because Apple moved to ARM and also killed 32 bit support, so game compatibility went down the toilet.

Do I need to worry about viruses in linux?

>>715431970
Nobody bothers writing viruses for an OS with such a small userbase.

>>715431873
sure that probably didn't help
but the real reason is proton has made gaming far more accessible to the normie on linux. games for a long time were hard to run and ran like shit on linux. dxvk happening and wine slowly fixing every bug has made the compatibility layer so good it actually runs a lot of games better than windows.

>>715430758
Windows 11 is just a poorly made buggier reskin of Windows 10. That's why.

>>715411231 (OP)
>uses massgrave to enable extended support on windows 10 for free
what now

>>715411231 (OP)
Cant play anything more complicated than.
>Install
>Play
any semi jank fun game is almost unplayable on linux

>>715431970
because the linux userbase is so fragmented across different distributions and software versions it's much harder to create malware for it.
bottom line is - less malware compatibility and more security tools like a hardened kernel, apparmor, bubblewrap...

>>715432163
>wine slowly fixing every bug
I hope you don't actually believe this
>it actually runs a lot of games better than windows
*DXVK can run some CPU-limited games better than DX11 and older
DXVK is also available on windows

>>715432232
The frickin' sucks.

Win11 is still free too!

>>715432497
Shut up shit eater
Imagine having to wait for a proton fix for the new game you bought instead of just playing it on Windows day one

>>715432490
it's not just dxvk.
it's windows being bloated and linux outperforming the NT kernel.

>>715432074
Cope. I remember many years ago Linuxfags loved to brag about this total lie, but hackers targetted them many times and even did it more as a response. Things like Slapper (2002),BadBunny (2007), Snakso (2012), Hand of Thief (2013), Windigo (2014) and plenty of others I didn't even list.

>>715432645
Post some benchmarks proving so

>>715432664
LINUX IMEANT LINUX FUCKKKKKKKKKK

>>715432698
With an Nvidia GPU
Not AyyMD to make Linux look better

>>715411231 (OP)
We don't... it's just the only usable thing.

I work on Linux on my other PCs. Man where do I begin

>Mouse lags for no reason
It has acceleration on by default, disable it it's not that, okay maybe it's something else.
Users suggest it's the pooling rate okay

sudo su -
modprobe drm_kms_helper
echo N> /sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll
echo 'drm_kms_helper' >> /etc/modules-load.d/local.conf
echo "options drm_kms_helper poll=N" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf

Pooling rate increased mouse does feel better something still feels off.

Maybe it's the drivers try Logitech mouse software for linux

It doesn't exist okay time to try a 3rd part one called solaar

At last I can set my DPI now. Still feel laggy.

At that point I have up I'm not really gaming on that system just playing light games like older RTS games and such it only has a i7-6700k+1070 GTX so not that I can play anything.

And this "little" story that took I don't know 2 hours or so of me searching fixing, testing keeps happening.

I had some weird issue where the CPU usage would spike when the mouse cursor went from Left to Right monitor.
I had some weird issues where programs didn't see the dual monitors as 2 screens but as one big one.
I had issues countless issues with snap programs that are supposed to as easy to install as windows programs. VLC didn't work as a SNAP, Discord had issues as a SNAP. And so on and on...

Linux was such a long way to go it's ridicilous. I do understand why programers go for MacOS to skip all of this BASIC shit if they don't feel like tinkering.

>>715433135
>with snap programs
heh
Nobody uses that crap
People just install flatpaks

>>715433135
>all that redditspacing
Come back when you can take an actual shit on the toilet.

>>715411489
because most PC games can only be played on windows
what the fuck is your point?

>>715411231 (OP)
I'm scared of buying new games and not working at all or having to wait for Proton to update their shit

>mfw
>windows7 was the last semi decent operative system for personal computing

>w8,10,11, mac, linux distros are all really bad
>can't even look at those O.S.'s desktops screenshot without feeling deep despair

Everything feels WRONG, I can't stand it....I need to ... Trascend....

>>715433534
I wrote like this since 2006 and I'm not going to stop now just because you zoomer think this is reddit.

Why does mouse acceleration even exist and why does some games have it on by default (like Bully, which you can't change)?

>>715434489
mouse acceleration is better for basically everything that isn't a competitive fps.
there's a reason why it's enabled by default in windows and in every linux distribution. people like it.

>>715434617
>mouse acceleration is better for basically everything
Explain why

>>715430591
>>715430728
>>715431390
fuck i meant tiny11 my bad

>>715417805
I switched to linux 2 years ago because of windows 11 and am still using that exact same installation today. I understand where you're coming from, but things are different now.

>>715434872
with mouse acceleration you can reach the edge of the screen with one swift motion, something you can't do without it. it feels good.
the only real use case for not running mouse acceleration is stuff that requires precise movement.

>>715435507
>with mouse acceleration you can reach the edge of the screen with one swift motion, something you can't do without it.
That's a fucking lie, it's absolutely doable without mouse acceleration, you just need to dial up the sensitivity.

>>715435610
>use high dpi
do not do that, it fucks your wrist.

>>715435507
>with mouse acceleration you can reach the edge of the screen with one swift motion, something you can't do without it.
What the fuck are you talking about, you can literally do it without mouse acceleration.

>>715435709
In what way, exactly?

>>715435769
because you want to move the mouse with your hand not your wrist, if you have high dpi you're going to be using your wrist to move the mouse.

>>715435838
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read in my life you might as well be buying crystals you fucking faggot homo.

>>715435838
Mine's high enough that I can move it with my fingers and minimal wrist movement.

Imagine caring about mouse accel when most keyboards, mousepads, videogame gameplay and mice are designed in the worst posibble way but "marketable".

>You will never know the joy of using apple computers and everything tech post year 2013
Yep, I cant

>>715435889
>more dpi = less hand movement = less fatigue ?
i'm speaking from experience, i had huge hand pains until i figured out that the high dpi was fucking my wrist

>>715436087
For high DPI, hold the mouse between your thumb and your ring finger and move with predominantly with your fingers. It enables quick/precise movements without having to flair your arm around your desk like an invalid.

>>715436176
I do this and use barely an inch of space on the mousepad to access the entire desktop, but I guess you would need high coordination or lots of practice to manage using a mouse accurately to that degree.

>>715411231 (OP)
Theoretically speaking, if Stop Killing Games passes, how will it affect Microsoft Windows? If video game companies will be prohibited from the wholesale discontinuation of the products they sold to customers, why should Microsoft get to keep doing this?

Until nvidia drivers stop sucking ass I'm not gonna switch over outside of using it for work. I'm sick of having to purge my drivers just to get shit displayed on the screen after every update

>>715436426
Windows still works after service has been discontinued. There's nothing stopping you from installing any prior version of Windows today.

>>715436426
Different ballpark, the software is still usable after EoL, just at your own risk. SKG is about software ceasing to work entirely after EoL because all the moving parts are serverside and you're just buying a client to access it.

>>715436560
>There's nothing stopping you from installing any prior version of Windows
Primarily hardware it was designed for. Good fucking luck finding 90s components on the open market in a usable state.

>>715436560
>>715436570
Well, not really, since eventually third-party software developers, be it video games or not, will stop support for it due to it becoming obsolete from Microsoft's lack of support like they did with Windows 7. So, it's hardly different in the grand scheme of things.

>>715436686
The software still functions for the intended hardware, though. I have a PCem setup with a 98 machine I use for the odd thing that won't run on 11 (mainly 16-bit stuff).

>mogs windows in your path
only people seething about it are autistic /g/ neets because the devs aren't chuddies and it's not a overcomplicated tinkertranny distro like gentoo or arch

>>715436426
I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't stop you from using their older OSes. If you want to stick with lack of support and security updates, that's on you. SKG doesn't say that companies will support their products forever. Just leave them in a playable enough state and in the case of online games, allow people to set up their own servers.

>>715436753
>So, it's hardly different in the grand scheme of things.
It's completely different, retard. Stop trying to muddy the waters.

>>715436753
It's not even close to the same, and I think SKG is for faggots.
>buy game that requires online component
>online component gets shut down
>game doesn't work at all
as opposed to
>buy Windows license
>Windows version goes EOL
>Windows still boots and does what it did before

Nvidia just doesn't work on Windows anymore and Linux has never worked for Nvidia

I guess it's finally time I ditch my RTX 4080

>>715436686
Yeah but hardware availability is not Microsoft's problem. Besides the idea of old os running on new hardware is sort of nonsense by definition since hardware drivers is what operating system is for

>>715411362
I am defending windows 11. What's wrong with it?

>>715436795
How does Photoshop run on it?
>EVERYONE CLAIMS THEY USE PHOTOSHOP OH GOD IT'S FAKE NEWS
I do, and this is 4chan, where shooping is a part of daily life.

>>715436978
Isn't adobe a webshitter suite now? It's like Microsoft office or AWS cloud shit you can access it anywhere as long as you have Internet and a browser.

>>715436978
I use gimp.

>>715436768
>>715436947
Woah, hey, I'm not saying it should be supported no matter the hardware, I'm just remarking that there is a difficulty in getting older versions working

I've been using it for a couple of months now, and after running the debloater and deactivating all the normieproofing in the settings it seems fine. Then again i've never been that discerning when it comes to this sort of thing.
What exactly is wrong with it?

>>715421180
Based. The Wincel mind can’t comprehend this.

>>715436978
No matter the linux distro, there's sadly no way to run modern photoshop
Your only options are photopea, gimp, or dualboot/virutal machine

>>715436978
Stop using proprietary software

>>715437034
Some of us steal Photoshop, sir. I figured a linux user who steals CPU cycles that Windows has ownership of would understand.

>>715437147
I'm pretty sure Photoshop is a web app now. The client based Photoshop is dead unless you are running some ancient pirated version.

>>715437046
The OS itself has bad performance optimisation at this point, which is a catastrophically bad sign, and there are several GUI issues that are minor annoyances, like forcing you to go into a sub menu for functions that should be available in the main context menu. Most of the problems can be dealt with using the debloater, but the deeper design issues can't, and it doesn't bode well for future versions.

>>715437224
If there's a web photoshop, then obviously you can't run it on linux
I never used adobe so I don't know much about this

>>715437198
And you can't figure out how to run a VM or translation layer? WoW kids know how to do this did you know see the SPP thread yesterday

>>715437295
*CAN not can't, I'm retarded

>switched to Linux
>audio is crunchy when playing games
>this occurs on both Fedora and Ubuntu
>none of the fixes I found online about dicking around with pipewire helped.

>>715411231 (OP)
Because I'd rather just click on my games to play them than jump through proton or heroic game launcher hoops. And I'm not poor and don't have amd hardware.

>>715437295
It's a web app that means it can run on anything as long as you spoof the user agent or run a layer.

>>715411231 (OP)

Planned obsolescence is such a pain in the ass. All you need from an operating system is to be able to run your software on it yet updates always have a chance of affecting compatibility with both soft and hard rendering something that was functional into an issue you´d have to spend time resolving.

Some times softwares patch things up but what about companies that no longer exist and can´t do that? You had a piece of software that worked and now it doesn´t anymore. It´s a lot of extra work, the disadvantages are plain to see and will affect you immediately but the advantages are not nearly as evident (if there are even advantages to begin with, Microsoft photographing your desktop and having data of everything you wank to is not an advantage)

>>715417805
>So what if the 10-inch anal drill isn't as bad as the 11-inch anal drill? You're still getting fucked in the ass...

>>715437361
It's because you are using realtek Mobo audio like a retard.

Your options are dac, Bluetooth, GPU audio, using proper Intel nic, etc.

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows 11 is Palantir spyware

>>715436978
I'd suspect that most people who'd build a PC in current year is for gaming or "productivity" and both suck on Linux. Linux is fine for servers or some kinds of programming work, but even then some things outside of open source tranny circlejerk might be windows only.
It's not practical for a daily driver.

>>715437479
>Leftist dogwhistle

>>715411231 (OP)
gamers in general aren't the smartest of the bunch

>>715437478
but it just works on windows

>>715437507
>hurr durr let us spy on you with our jewish spy program
Kys

>Install Fedora with GNOME
>You aren't allowed to put icons on the desktop
Linuxfags think this is a sensible design choice.

>>715437578
Because realtek only makes Windows drivers, doy.
You are using raw garbage

>>715437329
Why would I do that? What benefit would linux give me that I'd want to give up Windows?
>muh telemetry
>muh recall that doesn't exist on x86-64
>muh taskbar not vertical
>muh buzzwords
Nobody cares. Have sex.

>>715437449
Wait until we get the 12-inch anal drill so we can all fondly remember the 11-inch anal drill.

>>715437645
WHAT'S
THE
USECASE

>>715437683
So if I have a piece of hardware the open source community doesn't make drivers for, I am SOL unless I want to deal with gay workarounds? erm gonna stick to windows

>>715437753
You can make vertical taskbar, you just have to fiddle with the registry because the tards just hid the option

>>715437645
just get fedora with KDE

>>715437645
What did you expect from something called gnome?

>>715437803
>>715437753

Desktop icons are unironically for 60 year old retards and 20 year old retards. I've seen these people post here where they have a quick launch shortcut on their taskbar and still have the exact same link on their desktop. Organize your filesystems you fucking savages.

>>715437645
You can't do anything on linux, why do you need desktop icons? Use case for icons?

>>715437870
*krashes*

>>715437904
>t. Ebussy

>>715437904
>replies to wrong person
>is gay
Coincidence?

>>715437939
unironically, what is the use case?

Windows is getting to the point where Im just going to become a consolefag instead of dealing with all of its bullshit

>>715437925
>it was krashing 5 years ago which means it's krashing now

>>715437645
Kek, is that true? Linuxfags can't have icons? What's the point of all the empty fucking space there then?

>>715438012
All according to ze plan

>>715438093
gnomefags can't
kde and cinnamon GODS can

>>715437976
While I don't use desktop icons myself, I have to admit it's pretty sovlful and has the advantage of having both general file management and program launching in one place without having to open the file manager.

>>715411231 (OP)
It just werk
Maybe you should stop installing it on a potato

>>715438267
I don't understand how there is a fundamental difference between
>file links, desktop
>file links, file manager

>>715411231 (OP)
PC gamers aren't defending it, hell most pc gamers won't defend directx12 which was the only reason to switch to win10. Win11 doesn't even have that and its HDR support is still "meh".
At the rate things are going win 11 seems to be an easy skip.
t. have my gaming rig on win10 iot ltsc

>>715438291
>consume ze newer product, goy

>>715437478
I’m using my gpu for audio, also:
>reddit spacing

>>715438345
There isn't much
You don't have to launch the file explorer and have all the icons on top of a nice wallpaper

>>715417805
As a former Windows user, I still shit on 7 and 10. Those don't get a pass just because they are old and nobody uses them anymore. I hated those too, Windows 11 isn't the only Windows with the privilege of being hated by me.

>>715421993
I played Wow classic in Wine in fucking 2009. I remember the only bug was that clothes and outfits were a little bit too slow to show, and then I screamed "I see everyone naked lol" in general chat, and a Blizzard janny asked me if it was a mod, and I said no I'm literally only seeing people naked because of a bug.

This was 20 years ago.

Wine can _probably_ handle your wow classic, like, twenty years after.

>>715411231 (OP)
Gamers can defend Windows 11 by taking proactive steps to enhance security and optimize performance. This includes utilizing built-in security features like Microsoft Defender Antivirus and SmartScreen, while also being mindful of online safety practices like avoiding suspicious links and attachments. Additionally, gamers can optimize their system for gaming by adjusting power settings, disabling unnecessary background processes, and keeping their software and drivers updated.

bazzite is pretty neat for games and gamedev

i had less issues with it than with manjaro or ubuntu

>>715438892
That sounds about right, I don't know much about Manjaro but Ubuntu is issue central and a big fat noob filter.

>>715438892
it's fine for gaming if you don't like to tweak your system much
>gamedev
depends what you're gamedevving, but no i wouldn't recommend it for game dev. arch for modularity and bleeding edge or debian for stability.

>>715411231 (OP)
humans that have IQ above 80 have moved on to linux already

>>715422138
jeets can't install linux

>>715436978
Adobe is a shitty greedy kike company, stop using it.

I can't. My HDDs keep hanging for a few seconds every hour and I can't find the fucking issue. I have to transer videos to my SSD first to play them or there's a good chance they'll get stuck for a few seconds sometimes. It's random, making it annoying and hard to find the issue.

>>715411489
80% of linux users are jeets

>YOU ARE INDIAN
>NO YOU ARE INDIAN

AHHHHHHHHHH MAKE IT STOP

>>715439785
SAAR WE'RE ALL INDIANS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>715430046
>KDE plasma
there's your issue

>>715439785
/g/ is leaking

bros...
I just want to go back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ2oiVqKHw

>>715422830
>have to buy another ssd just for windows so that it doesn't suddenly overwrite my linux bootloader

>>715411231 (OP)
Because people are too lazy to explore other options. It requires too much effort for them learn new system where Windows is what majority of people are already familiar with.

I think the kernel should be a snap

>>715411231 (OP)
I'm trying, but...
>bloated as fuck
>user interface is shit
>"Do you want a subscription for Microsoft 365?"
>pushing AI shit everywhere
>"Do you want a subscription for Xbox Game Pass?"

Usually I´d update pretty late so I never had any problems with the new ones, but even after the late update to Win 11 it´s a total pos. The menus are horrid and I have this bug when going to rename a file that the thing refreshes and autoselects the whole file name. So even if I wanted to just change a couple letters my backspace would nuke the whole filename.

>>715440984
>having only 1 drive in 2025
i have 2 ssds and 2 hard drives
keep in mind that you don't need your bootloader to be on the same drive where the OS is installed
you can even have in on a usb stick

>>715441213
I don't have enough space on my existing ones.

>>715441290
Those are some old ass drives.

>>715441419
please understand modern video games are 100gb minimum

>>715441130
I still find it baffling how one of the biggest corporations with the biggest operating system in the world doesn't update so many ancient UI components for TENS of years and gets away with it while community projects like KDE never had oversights like that, and GNOME only has some gtk3 apps leftover which are getting worked on at least

>>715441487
this is what happens when you have a monopoly on the market, competition is necessary to make sure these corporations move their asses and innovate, and it's why basically every big corporation is as anti-competitive as possible, just ask bill gates.

>>715411231 (OP)
Who do you see defending Windows 11?

>>715436978
>using rent software for 4chins shitposts

>>715411231 (OP)
I can't and don't. that's why I switched to an Ubuntu flavor about three years ago.

The juice has never been worth the squeeze if gaming is the main thing you're doing. 5-10% FPS gain isn't worth all of the inconveniences.

>>715411231 (OP)
I don’t know where else to turn so I’ll ask it here.
My monitor isn’t connecting to my new 4K PC through the 4K hdmi even though it worked fine for the old pc, why isn’t it connecting?
Help pls

>>715411231 (OP)
It's just another windows mate it's really not a big deal. Are we gonna have the same meltdown every time?

>>715443217
Did you plug your card in correctly?

>>715411231 (OP)
I still don't understand why they removed the ability to drag your taskbar to be vertical on the side

>>715443475
too hard for the pajiit coders, it would probably literally break the entire os if you moved it

>>715443456
It’s a prebuilt, my old PC was too shit to build on top of

>>715411231 (OP)
No thanks / Not interested

The Linux shills out in full force as usual.
Linux is terrible for desktop if you do more then open a browser.

PC fanboys can't even afford 4K gaming.

>>715444553
>Linux is terrible for desktop if you do more then open a browser.
that's basically the use case of 80% of people though.

>>715443629
unironically, try linux.
the monitor drivers are completely different and the monitor might get picked up.

>>715411231 (OP)
At least it's not linux.

>>715443217
make sure you plugged in the monitor to the Graphic Card and not the Motherboard

>>715437645
To be fair in gnome you don't really need them and there are extensions that bring them back
It still sucks how gnome is somehow even more gutted with every new iteration
In Ubuntu I still have no idea how to make Nautilus stop trying to execute exe files instead of using Wine by default when I double click on them without making file non-executable

>>715445152
The people who would only ever use a computer for internet browsing don't have a PC. They are browsing on phone or tablet or maybe they use their work laptop. At most they maybe have a macbook because they are not very savvy normalfags and already have an iphone and it's popular.
They aren't building desktop PCs where operating system is a choice.
(non-mac laptops have shit for linux support and usually come with windows from the store so it's not really a choice either)

>>715411231 (OP)
>check Dell's website
>They're offering Ubuntu Linux for free on their mini PCs
The windows are changing

>>715446131
everytime i try to browse the web with my phone or do any simple office stuff i want to hurl it out the window
the only thing phones are good for is calling people and watching tiktoks.

>>715411231 (OP)
Its never bothered me. idk
I just been upgrading for free whenever its been offered and I've honestly never noticed any difference at all.
Talk about the worlds greatest nothing burger. What kind of faggot existence do you need to actually care about this kind of shit.

Most linux faggots outside of 4chan are usually pretentious liberal faggots which turns me off immensely.

>>715446116
>make Nautilus stop trying to execute exe files instead of using Wine by default when I double click on them without making file non-executable
first
it sounds like you want Nautilus to default to opening exes with WINE when you double click on them, but I don't speak whatever word vomit language you were attempting to use before, so I can't be sure. please phrase, in English, in the positive, what you are trying to achieve.

>>715447156
>consume, don't think
enjoy the data harvesting and ads.

>>715421445
You literally cannot disable Copilot, you can hide it but its always there

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows is trash.
I'm using Arch for my gaming desktop and notebook I use for work but I might switch to an M4 Pro Macbook Pro because the battery life is insane on these things. Linux and macOS are almost the same thing the main difference is that you can game on Linux because it's x86 and supports discrete graphics while macOS supports more software for content creation. I don't see what usecase Windows has outside of CAD maybe. The only reason it's popular is because it comes preinstalled on most PCs and Macs are too expensive (and overpriced) for an average person because Apple is a greedy fuck.

>>715447998
>Windows users aren't the lions share of pretentious faggots by volume alone

>>715447998
Most loonix faggots outside of 4chan are apolitical just like the majority of people are. Do you think gamers are equally split between 4chuds and tranniditors? kek

>>715422591
>more and more lazy.
never attribute laziness to that which can be explained by malice

>Windows 98: liked
>Windows 2000: hated
>Windows XP: liked
>Windows Vista: hated
>Windows 7: liked
>Windows 8: hated
>Windows 10: liked
>Windows 11: hated
we just have to wait for Windows 12

>>715448554
>Windows 10: liked
By fucking retards that only remember 8, maybe. Ten is dogshit

>>715432460
no.
lunix has no real security.
android has all apps compartmentalized separated by different users without read/write capabilities on the user directory
lunix should do the same for every application (minus some shared ones like the file explorer)

>>715448554
>we just have to wait for Windows 12
i don't think any future version of windows will redeem microsoft
at this point they're going all in on windows being an advertising platform for their products that actually make them money.

>>715441487
why do you want microshit to update any UIs? you know they'd strip all the functionality and make everything 20x more bloated

>>715448554
Windows 12 will be all AI crap

>>715448723
flatpaks exist

>>715448723
Immutable distro + flatpaks are a thing thoughever
Most famous example of it being bazzite

>>715418024
>mobile
kys

Because it works. Just works. Plug and play, only games that require extra solutions are the ones requiring DirectX 9 or older usually need only additional libraries) or ones with faulty programming to begin with (like Sunset Overdrive requiring disabling AV software because of some retarded calls game is trying to make, or Saints Row 2 or World in Conflict that are tied to CPU speed for whatever fucking reason). System itself is virtual "bubble-stand-up" toy, unless you deliberately fuck it up it will get up on its own whenever something goes wrong. People complaining about hidden settings, telemetry, updates, etc are usually the ones that should NOT temper with those setting as, for example, they lack intelligence required to read the fucking MS manual (it used to be called MS Technet, no fucking idea how it's called now - but content remains the same) and would do more harm.

You can't get same level of compatibility with Linux distros.

>>715448723
you do realize android is linux right?
anyways, linux is used in basically every modern server. if you're on the web, odds are the page is running linux under the hood. the security tools like SElinux are there if you want to use them.

>>715449465
bazzbros, we eating good

>>715449658
>i-it just w-works
pc-gaming wiki says otherwise. heaps upon heaps of pages with fixes and explanations on how to run games
you should feel bad for lying to people so boldly winjeet

Also I fucking "love" reading all those conspiracy theory class garbage about adjusting Windows.

>look, I disabled telemetry/forced updates/etc, it's really simple
>NOOO YOU DIDN'T ITS STILL THERE
>MS own instructions are clear, these components can be disabled, maybe cannot removed but disabled just fine
>NOOO YOU CANT TRUST MS THEY WILL REMOTELY ENABLE THEM BACK AND BLOW YOUR PC YOU WILL SEE- oh hey, that Russian hacker provided more info, completely trustworthy source guys!

>>715449951
windows 11 is not HIPAA compliant. that should tell you enough about how trustworthy it is

>>715422138
>tfw china has their own branch of flash and solely uses windows in everything they do because it's standard in every factory machine

not a single license paid for, but at least they stay updated unlike russia who's still on 32 bit XP.

I will say that W11 with startallback feels solid. You can just pretend it's not hogging your resources with the bloatware, I guess. Linux makes sense the compatibility layers are getting really mature at this point, it doesn't make much sense to stick to W11 unless you're
actually
>using onedrive or icloud and their account sync features
>playing competitive multiplayer games (lol) that require kernel level anticheat
>need it for your job (get another system solely for that purpose and put it on a VLAN, dipshit)

Honestly going forward I'll probably end up with a mac pro/mini for work and family related shit, and a desktop running mint or something for muh games. No need to make it complicated

>>715449760
Give some examples. Last time I ran into a problem was with running Arcanum (GOG version), took me literally 10 minutes to fix. Plus, I often run into info on pc gaming wiki about various problems that I never experienced on my own.

>Also I fucking "love" reading all those conspiracy theory class garbage about adjusting Windows o algo
>
>>look, I disabled telemetry/forced updates/etc, it's really simple
>>NOOO YOU DIDN'T ITS STILL THERE
>>MS own instructions are clear, these components can be disabled, maybe cannot removed but disabled just fine
>>NOOO YOU CANT TRUST MS THEY WILL REMOTELY ENABLE THEM BACK AND BLOW YOUR PC YOU WILL SEE- oh hey, that Russian hacker provided more info, completely trustworthy source guys o algo asi

>>715450070
Nor are those freelance "hackers".

>>715450171
>this is you lol!

I thought people grow out of this in elementary school.

>>715411231 (OP)
I defended win10 because it mostly worked. But I don't want to do it with w11, because a lot of thing they changed irks me. At least the whatever replaced the start menu wasn't as bad as I originally thought. Still I prefer it being on the left side, instead of the middle with no adds or app recommendation

>>715439514
I need to use adobe reader for work. I hate it. If you don't disable the new AI features and use "old reader", it's slow as FUCK even on modern systems

>>715411231 (OP)
OP here, i posted the wrong picture, here the correct one

>>715435838
You have a whole arm anon, wrist movement is for smaller adjustments
I like to set up my chairs so the arm rest is at table-level, that way i can rest my elbow and pivot my arm to make better longer moves
That being said, having table space is necessary for that

>>715418024
W12 will be all ai based

>>715450347
90% of the people here have a 6th grade reading level, anon. You should lower your expectations immediately

>>715449760
>bunch of 2000s shovelware and an odd ultrawide fix for lazy console port
>guize windblows doesn't work
Yeah of course crappily written 20 year old game will have compatibility issues, those games had issues on contemporary hardware already. That's not a usual use case either though.
Fair on lazy console ports where half the options are in ini.

>>715450273
win 11 reports everything you do to microshaft. lunix doesn't
cope and seethe winjeet

>>715411231 (OP)
ALL OS are shit. None are worth it. Just use the one that works best for you.

>>715450741
PC gaming has only very recently become a non-grognard activity. Dicking around with anything other than steam and going into appdata, using dgvoodoo, or some other shit is just beyond 95% of a user's comprehension. I got sacred 2, a horribly optimized vista game, running on w11 2h24 even with my dual monitor setup. It took me about 30 minutes of tinkering to get everything right. That's too long for virtually any user and they don't have the experience/know the about the resources that I do, so it would likely take longer and be even more frustrating.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that some tinkering is required, I've been doing it since the 90's, it's just that you absolutely cannot expect that to be the norm anymore.

>>715451030
>ALL OS are shit
nah, that's mostly just windows

>>715450741
>sonic colors released in 2005
of course the retard winjeet lives in another universe

PC gamete have zero standards if it doesn't involve gloating about their purchase.

>>715445865
>>715445291
>>715443456
Graphics card came loose during delivery.
Awful. Thanks guys

>>715421445
Enjoy having AI searching your computer for pirated software and bricking every account you have tied to the machine.

>>715450992
>it does because I say it does!
>it can't be disabled because I say it can't!
>no, MS cannot be trusted because I say so, everything they say must be a lie because they are evil corpo!

It's like discussing with conspiracy theory followers.

>>715451401
you remind me of some guy who was asking me for pc build advice. He was wondering why his computer kept turning off a few minutes after booting. Turns out the motherfucker had forced his AIO bracket on without removing the built in AM5 mounting brackets, and there was basically no contact between the plate and the IHS.

People surprise me every day

>>715451568
microsoft has been caught multiple times resetting settings and not actually disabling shit
but if you want to trust a corporation to do the right thing despite the fact that they have a financial incentive not to, more power to you.

>>715411231 (OP)
i dont
it was forced upon me and instantly shit that had worked perfectly on windows10 started to just hard crash
and its overall so bad, not one single feature thats better than what was before
my standout favorite was that they tried oh so hard to get me to pay money for audio codecs that were conveniently missing

It's not about trusting some rando on the internet or just being a tinfoil hat autist
It's about having the basic self-preservation instincts of not trusting Microsoft, knowing how the shit you care about works, and making it work, even if it takes time
If you don't give a fuck, sure, no problem in using Win11, it's not like it's the only thing spying on you anyways, i myself dual boot Win10 and Debian just because i can't be half-assed to tinker with everything i use
But trying to justify yourself is just retarded, your OS is terrible and spyware, we're not calling your mom a slut, don't get so worked up about it

>>715451794
I'm not the guy you replied to but as annoying as that shit is, windows update is just so consistently garbage that they basically clean out your settings and preferences. Reinstalling edge and all that other crap is their only way of making sure that run of the mill enterprise/normal consumers don't get butthurt that their OS is completely broken after an update. They have no clue how to into LTS channels at this point and it's another reason to move away from Microsoft. I hate it but don't think it's a conspiracy so much as covering their own ass.

That said, the fact that there's no real way to stop this outside of some realy fucky group policy editing/reigstry hacks is bullshit.

>>715451068
Yeah, I remember when that level of tinkering was normal for new games. Compatibility back in the day was horrible, weird directX versions where you had to install 8.6c first and than 8.6d because d was missing some shit for whatever reason and it wouldn't allow you to install the older version. If you go back it's even more retarded but I'm too young to have understood setting soundcard interrupts in DOS.

>>715451218
I stand by my statement. You had to drag out the shittiest ever 10 years late port of a wii game from a laughingstock franchise. I'm pretty sure it's not MS fault it's garbage.

>>715451509
This has never happened, and I use Windows 11. Why do Linux fags lie and believe clickbait news so much?

>>715452158
Because when some random dude on internet says something, especially if it shits on MS or other big company, it MUST be true but if said company says otherwise, it MUST be lie because why would they say "the truth"? Standard conspiracy theory mindset.

Hot take: Windows and all other MS products are going to be worse as long as the Pajeet CEO is at the helm. I am starting to miss Ballmer Era already.

>>715452456
It's time for a slavic CEO to take the helm

>>715452117
soundcards are basically lostec. There's no reliable way to emulate most of them either. That whole era of hardware moved so quickly and had so many competing standards that there's no real way to preserve most of it.

This entire thread put me off of switching to linux or upgrading to windows 11
Fuck you guys I'm just gonna stay on windows 10 until games stop supporting it and then I'll stop playing video games forever

>>715452804
That's the mentality of the fence-sitting goy that ends up updooting anyway "because they were forced"
Just pick a side and go all in

>>715452804
sounds good to me

So what happens when Win 10 support is dropped and all those businesses with Win 10 pcs are now all bricks? They're not getting replaced.
Microsoft will cave last second and remove the retarded requirements for Win 11?

>>715440281
What DEs do you recommend? And what are your thoughts on x11 vs Wayland vs Hyperland vs x11libre? My Distro of choice used to be Linux Mint but I got a new PC recently and it's too new to use anything based on the current Debian LTS.

>>715453606
Pretty much none of my work's machines supports windows 11, we're always pirating stuff in random websites, and our shit, lazy development practices wouldn't hold up in linux
My boss is very stingy, only upgrading our machines if we desperately need it, i'm just waiting around to see what happens lol

>>715453784
Not what i meant, he will end up having to get off his ass anyway, he should at least make the choice himself instead of being the poor consoomer forced to be ass-raped

>>715411231 (OP)
we don't. only paid MS shills did, but they got fired too. Now it is 100% negative feedback.

>>715453159
>become a tribalistic npc
kiss a shotgun and pull the trigger

>>715453606
Windows 12 will have a business version that has all the stupid shit stripped out of it, while the consumer version will barely work and be jammed full of ads. You won't be permitted to purchase the business version.

>>715453606
there are government computers that are still running windows xp because they are fulfilling their duty in its entirety
only goyim retards have to "upgrade"

>>715411231 (OP)
Only Microsoft defends it

>>715454676
look, anti-semite. in the real world software needs updates and upgrades. just because you're a hateful bigot doesn't mean everyone else is

>>715454536
>pretending to be le ebin centrist chad when you'll just let others make the choice for you
if you'll actually drop games for good because you dislike the alternatives then i appreciate your spirit, but will it really be the case?

>>715411231 (OP)
im just waiting on steam os desktop desu

>>715429848
i want frieren to pee in my mouth

>>715455414
>false dichotomy
kill yourself holy shit. no one wants windows. no one ever will. it's a loss leader for microshaft since they make their money from ms word, and now subscriptions like azure and juicy support contracts

>>715431970
You'll need to worry about typing strange shit into the terminal in order to fix random shit breaking. You'll be typing a lot of random stuff into the terminal that you won't understand.
Linux users like to pretend that you won't have to use it, but look up any issue on Linux and the solution you'll find is "copy these 17 lines into the terminal and hope for the best".

>>715435838
You are right and the Lord will punish those who disagree with carpal tunnel.

>>715436426
You can still use windows 98. Or NT. Or 3.4

>>715452456
>>715452501
What went so right with Windows 7?

>Released 2009
>256 core support, 192GB (4 x 48GB sticks) ram support, GPT support means SSD/HDD size is practically unlimited
>Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Ryzen 9 5950X work flawlessly on Windows 7
>AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series (2020) work flawlessly on Windows 7
>NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series (2020) work flawlessly on Windows 7
>USB 3 and SATA III (SATA SSD) support via drivers
>Windows 7 does not have native support for NVMe SSDs. However, you can install NVMe drivers to add support
>Microsoft did add a compatibility layer that allows select DirectX 12 games to run in W7 SP1 64-bit, Halo and World of Warcraft uses DirectX 12 running on Windows 7
>Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11 all run on the very same Win6.x core
>Windows Aero was pretty kino

just switch to steamos already

valve gives you better fps than windows

it takes 5 minutes to install on a ssd in 2025

what are you waiting for?

>>715456693
You're just making up shit i never said, if you don't want windows then use linux, if you want neither then quit playing PC games
I never said anything pro-windows ever, did you reply wrong or are you just schizophrenic?

>>715456926
>APIs not available for old windows versions
>entirely different architecture and kernel stop device drivers from working
no you can't

>>715456973
windows 7 is dogshit. 2000 is the last usable windows. all it needs are fixes to work with current-day hardware (e.g. drivers, wi-fi and bluetooth support) and a proper security model

>>715437234
>bad performance
Pic related: +% means Windows 11 is faster, -% means Windows 10 is.
It's not really a huge difference and it's mostly in favor for windows 11.
>like forcing you to go into a sub menu for functions that should be available in the main context menu
That's something you can change in half a minute if you don't like the compact context menu.

>>715437449
You should also mention something about eating shit. That one always wins the argument.

>>715453606
you know businesses and even government computers still run versions of windows 98/xp right

>>715437578
>>715437828
That doesn't matter. Rule number 1 of the Linux club clearly states that it's never Linux's fault. You should have bought a different motherboard.
I bet you feel stupid now.

>>715457342
>bad performance in games
No, anon, the OS itself has poorer performance than it should have just running on its own.

>>715446116
>you don't need that
You'll be hearing that one a lot if you're switching to Linux.

>>715445291
>guy who can't plug a monitor in should try Linux
Yeah, right.

>>715451401
One time I almost reformatted my PC because I couldn't get my audio to work. Turns out the speakers weren't plugged in.

>>715457571
>using desktop icons
you can always use the extension maintained by utunbu for that on gnome.
not that you really need them, the launchers in the overview replace them for all intents and purposes.

>>715448170
>what is per capita
Something those cunts don't understand either.

>>715411231 (OP)
>turn on computer
>buy game from steam or pirate it
>install it
>execute it
>play game
I don't get it, why should I be worried about W11 again?

>>715448554
I don't see how somebody who likes windows 10 can have a rational case for not liking 11. It's the same shit with a different coat of paint. A coat of paint you can customize if you don't like the look of it.

>moved over to linux last year because its now 'good enough'
>still believe Windows 11 Pro is better
I can't imagine how retarded or destitute you must be to be still using 10. 10 is ugly as fuck, its task manager is trash, Windows 11 has actual useful poweruser features added to it.
I have never ever heard a meaningful reason to not use 11 pro that cannot be summarised as being a skill issue or something completely benign.

>>715452804
If you're waiting for retards on the internet to endorse a windows version you'll be waiting for ever. Same if you're waiting for them to tell you a GPU isn't the devil.
Those discussions get dominated by kids who think falling for ragebait is not just a personality but a righteous cause.
>I will stop playing games forever because the taskbar looks slightly different
That's how retarded you sound. You are one of those kids falling for the ragebait.

>>715411231 (OP)
By installing Linux Mint.

>>715453606
Exactly, your computer will explode and wipe out the entire block once there hasn't been an update for 2 weeks.
How are you this retarded? Stop having opinions because you're wrong. I can confidently say that without knowing what your actual opinions are.

>>715457342
sure thing winjeet. the truth is your shitty drm slows everything down

>>715457814
Small steps taking away things people use and lowering standards while selling every scrap of data you provide them.

>>715421993
Clean your PC

o algo

>>715448554
>Windows 98: liked
>Windows XP: liked (Its just what you used)
>Windows Vista: liked (aero, start searching, better start menu, UAC, DX10)
>Windows 7: liked (window snapping, evolution of vistas featureset)
>Windows 8: liked (removing the start button was a GOOD thing, full screen start menu wasn't good though. liked the dynamic tiles showing details on apps)
>Windows 8.1: disliked (retarded boomers got their start button back, but at least the start menu was smaller)
>Windows 10: liked (its just windows 8.1 but made for actual users. virtual desktops are a life saver on laptops)
>Windows 11: liked (added a ton of features targetting developers, UI looks really nice, better window management with better snap zones, better HDR support, VRR support etc)
Unlike you, I'm not a faggot redditor drone echoing seniments from other people without being able to back up what I'm saying.

I remember the days that they said that Windows 10 was going to be their latest OS they'd ever made, and that after that they were going for updates (or paid updates or some shit like that)

>>715457571
Yes but in this particular case it is true
Show apps menu is superior and it allows for quick search and easy navigation as well
You can group apps by folders there too
So it is basically no different compared to your Android phone
The only use case for desktop I can see is quick creation of temporary files when you want to quickly note something down

>>715430530
It fucked up the security in my pc, the applications installed and ended up fucking my whole drive

>>715459049
>just works
you wish winjeet
don't forget to uninstall the borked windows update of the week

>>715457163
xd

>>715459049
Is there a similar pic about windows taskbar?

>>715411231 (OP)
It just works because my computer is not from 2011. I'm really not a fan of the fucking huge buttons and rounded corners on everything but at least having a 2k monitor makes everything scale a little bit better so it doesn't take the whole screen.

>>715411231 (OP)
I need it for my remote work job.
I could set up a dual boot but that's a pain in the ass. I also like to quickly alt-tab back and forth between work and games.
My life is pretty much like Web Dude's now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGljemfwUE

>>715459158
>don't forget to uninstall the borked windows update of the week
is the implication here that there has never been an update that has fucked peoples systems for linux?
i'm a linux user, stop making me defend windows you pakiposting retard

>>715459158
Not the topic and it has never happened on my machine. Also as if linux never exploded because you dared to update one package and now you have to manually unfuck all dependencies from terminal.

>>715459482
Dunno, I just made this one. You can make one for the taskbar if you have anything funny to say about it.

>>715411231 (OP)
it's literally just 10 but with rounded corners and a different right click menu
>>715447914
IoT LTSC (the only Windows edition you should be installing) doesn't have any AI or Copilot slop installed

>>715459637
>>715459824
>an update that has fucked peoples systems for linux?
Nta but that is not a thing on LTS releases
The worst thing that can happen are Nvidia breaking their drivers or flatpaks stopping working because of some bug in runtime environment
OS itself remains stable

>>715459824
>installs a rolling bleeding edge distro
>why don't they test more the packages?!
if you want stability you go for long term solution point releases like debian.

>>715411231 (OP)
I dont, I still have 10 and its shit compared to 7.

>>715459558
This. All the whiners are just brown third worlder poorfags.
Windows is a white man's operating system.

>>715460370
>Nta but that is not a thing on LTS releases
except LTS releases are unusable for desktops since their packages and kernel are so fucking out of date they're still missing basic features, then you start adding in cutting edge repos anyway and you're back in dependency conflict hell.
you can slowroll windows if you want to as well, no party is good here

funny thing, just recently i went through a fresh win10 install
what a miserable experience this is holy shit
everything microsoft after win7 is just one cascading mistake that keeps happening
send help

>>715460469
re7ards will never ever substantiate their claims, it speaks volumes to how destitute or retarded (or both) you are

>>715460873
it speaks volumes alone that 7 is blazing fast compared to 10 and 11

>>715460873
>no ads in start menu by default
>no edge or onedrive bullshit
>windows key, type out what configuration you want, it shows up
>you can very easily turn off the shit you don't want
it's far from perfect, but makes win10 feel like an embarassment of an OS

>>715461681
>it's unsupported
that's enough to completely disqualify it
you're going to run into issues for your gpu, for steam, for firefox, for literally every modern software. and all that is before even getting into the malware vulnerabilities.
if you are still using windows 7 to this day, you are an idiot.

>>715437645
Nice, haven't used desktop icons on windows for well over a decade. Why would I look on my desktop? I always have software open

>>715461919
>NOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT RECEIVING PATCHES THEREFORE IT'S BAD
I hate updatemiggers so much

>>715461919
Didn't say it's a viable modern alternative, but at it's time it was better than anything Jeetsoft will put out for the rest of it's existance

>>715461386
Proof?
>>715461681
your inability to administrate your machine isn't my problem. none of those are problems for me.

>>715411231 (OP)
I don't. It's dogshit. I'd switch to Linux but I despise troubleshooting to play vidya.

>>715462124
i like how running one command on terminal is enough to faggots shit and piss when dealing with linux, but jumping through flaming hoops in order to remove dumb shit from windows is considered normal

>>715462124
They aren't for me either, but if i have to go through even the smallest hassle for something basic then i'll just use Linux

>>715417805
>>715411231 (OP)
10 is shit but it is WAY LESS SHIT right now than it was when it came out, disingenuous windows street shitter.

Windows 10 on launch had the original spying AI known as Cortana and had ads in the start menu you couldn't remove even on Pro, but you didn't have internet, computers, or functioning toilets back then so I get if you've never heard of it.

I tried Linux Mint last year for some time but ultimately there was nothing it did that Windows didn't do better. I'm pretty much a normie when it comes to using computers, I just want to turn it on, browse the internet, play vidya and that's it. I will say Linux blows current Windows out the water when it comes to visual customization, I wish I could make W10 look like 98 again.

>>715462069
>THEREFORE IT'S BAD
nobody said windows 7 is bad.
it's unsupported, which is a completely different can of worms. you can still use it to run old software while not being connected to the internet, and that's pretty much the only thing you should be doing on it.

>>715462445
>AI pepe
that's it, I'm out of this site, kill yourselves fucking faggots

>>715462606
Everyone does, there is no reason for windows to lose customization features other than the fact that Street Shitters can't code the UI in electron and keep all of the customization that made 7 and Vista look so good.

>>715417805
10 has a few features I like and I prefer its aesthetic over 7.
11 is literally just 10 but worse. It has fewer features, runs worse and spies on you way harder than 10 does. It has precisely nothing to offer over 10. It's barely even different in the first place, 99% of the time it'll just feel like you're on 10 but have less processing power and CAN'T MOVE THE FUCKING TASKBAR.

>>715411231 (OP)
It is a console-like experience, as you're running an OS you have no control over and need a hardware DRM device to even run it.

>>715462727
I actually read that the reason they gutted system-wide themes was because not enough people used them in order to port them over to 10/11.

>Windows XP
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
>Windows 7
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
>Windows Vista
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
>Windows 8
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage'
>Windows 10
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
>Windows 11
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
grow up

>>715462606
No reason to feel pressured to switch if you only use your computer recreationally
You'll learn some really useful stuff by sticking to Linux, but it won't make you a tech savvy OPSEC genius
Just mess around with it sometimes and see what you end up liking

>>715462712
>I managed to scare an Indian off the site
kek, I knew saving that had some good. Don't get ran over by the behemoth on the way out, Rahjeesh.

>>715462974
Windows 7 was the last time Windows actually improved, and there was some compatibility sacrifices.

>>715462974
XP, 7, and a single build of Windows 8.1 were good. Everything else has been a steady downward free-fall into shit and every time people think "It can't get any worse than this", they somehow make it worse. I highly expect Windows 12 to actively scan your desktop for copyrighted material at this point.

>>715411231 (OP)
PC gamers defend windows 11?

>>715463316
nobody does. it's solely microjeet shills

>>715459558
>you're just poor

>>715463485
broke brown third worlder detected

>>715411489
Using windows doesn't mean I defend it, it's fucking trash
Is this some console nigger mentality where you have to defend something suboptimal just because you use it for lack of better alternatives?

>>715417137
>fifa and fortnite
so are you like regular brownoid or full-on vantablack gorilla nigger

>>715421180
>CachyOS
With the retarded names they keep using for distros, no wonder linux keeps being irrelevant.

>>715421545
Yup this is what I do too, its the most sane version of windows right now.

>>715462379
>but if i have to go through even the smallest hassle for something basic then i'll just use Linux
you're an actual retard

What's with this meme of "OS selling data" i look in this thread so much, dumbasses?
>UHH DON'T USE THAT OS THEY SELL YOUR INFO IT'S BAD SAAR, GOY GOY GOY
They ALREADY have that, how do you think the government gets to whoever they want easily, they already know.
Do you guys really think they don't know that already, hell look at the leak that happened when 4chan got hacked, most ips were either USA or Israeli, make of that what you will.

>>715448554
>2000
>hated
go be underaged somewhere else

>>715467998
Concession accepted saar

>>715468625
Run me through enabling HDR with VRR on linux, pakiposter.
Then explain how this is less complicated than linux.
Then drive a knife through your fucking throat.

>>715421701
100%? It broke on mine, newer games don't update so I have to run win10 in a vm and do a local transfer for those.
>>715422068
Depot doesn't work for these same games, I tried.

>>715458563
>lying about everything except 98 and xp
lolwut

>>715469804
your complete inability to explain how i lied has been duely noted.
consider yourself raped

>>715468073
>yes goy just give in and let them collect even more data
good goy!

>>715471414
i gave microsoft a piece of my liver, it's worth it though because now i have access to word.

>>715445823
Endeavour bros, ww@?

>>715469978
everyone hated vista on release and people didn't start liking aero until a couple years ago. uac was intrusive and most people disabled it, and aero was just a resource hog
7 is mostly just a not shit version of vista
8 was widely panned and the start menu was the biggest reason why. 8.1 fixed that and was way better received
people only like windows 10 now because you can debloat it and 11 is worse. 10 was hated more than windows me when it came out
no one likes 11 except microsoft employees

>>715471414
>goy cannot comprehend that i don't care about anything
Your'e a retard, also you give them info too, you illiterate dumbass, every OS isn't free of any of that.

>>715472706
>everyone hated vista on release
wrong, the only people who had any right hating vista was people working in enterprise and that's purely because the driver stack had changed causing compatability issues. for most users, the experience was fine and it only got better with each service pack. people who say vista sucked are fucking drones.
>uac was intrusive and most people disabled it
only fucking retards like yourself disable UAC. not knowing if a process wants elevated permissions, and granting them that by default is fucking brain damaged and is why people had to reformat xp every 3-6 months
>8 was widely panned and the start menu was the biggest reason why.
again, by drone retards who are completely incapable of explaining why something is bad. removing the start button was bold, but it was objectively an improvement over wasting space having a start button on your taskbar. windows 8's tile start menu with all the dynamic content was great, and from a user perspective it didn't even matter. 99% of users push their windows key, type their shit, then hit enter. if anything, they didn't go far enough. the start menu should have been your desktop wallpaper
>people only like windows 10 now because you can debloat it and 11 is worse.
11 is objectively better looking, with an objectively better task manager and it's faster than 10 thanks to background task sleeping, and its full of power user developer tools

even with all that, I still use linux.

>>715474157
>wrong,
it quadrupled ram requirements and made my computer obsolete overnight when it dropped. kill yourself

>>715474353
You being destitute isn't my problem, poorfag.

>>715418087
Come back home then.

>>715411231 (OP)
Works on my machine. Not one single problem so far.

>>715466807
there's always PCLinuxOS if you hate creative naming, knuckle dragger

>>715474442
>microjeet goes full mask off, goes full consoom mode
I hope you get raped in your sleep rajesh

>>715411231 (OP)
It pushed me into setting up dual boot with cachyOS (nice arch fork) on my laptop.
Kernel level anticheat on some games makes me keep Windows around. Particularly annoying when they whitelist steam deck hardware but still forbid Linux in general, multiple chink games do this.

>>715474157
t. microsoft employee

>>715448554
anon there's one factor you forgot to include in your calculations
>Windows 98: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows 2000: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows XP: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows Vista: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows 7: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows 8: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows 10: white people in charge, windows dominates
>Windows 11: jeetya scamella takes over, breaks promise of win10 being the final one, windows starts losing the OS market for the first time in history, explosion of linux popularity with front-page (or should I say front-algo) influencers advocating for the change from windows
>Windows 12: probably won't happen because jeets will run microsoft into the ground first

>>715457856
windows 10 does not come with mandatory preinstalled AI. I don't see how somebody who likes windows 11 can have a rational case for being a sentient non-indian being.

>yeah bro windows 11 is so goof
>*drags and drop a file a bit too fast*
>oh you'll have to restart to remove that icon
>restarting explorer doesn't work btw

>>715477681
nta but I hope this cope is real but there's just too much in windows that is only on windows but I'm still going to install linux on my new ssd I bought to dualboot. I know for a fact I'm going to have to use windows in some capacity. I hate jeets and bill gates that is all.

>>715477681
>>Windows 10: white people in charge

>>715474745
>destitute pakiposter lashes out because he couldn't afford fucking RAM
again, not my problem pakiman.
>>715477067
not an argument

>>715478664
>just throw away your laptop and buy a new one saar
I wish the uk had blasted every one last one of you to smithereens during the colonial period

>complains about modern windows
>uses non-LTSC edition
opinion discarded

>>715478952
>just throw away your laptop and buy a new one saar
not sure why you're admitting you're so tech illiterate you can't swap out so so-dimms but you do you, pakiman

>>715411231 (OP)
Literally too retarded to know any better, console gamers are even worse

>>715478952
>throw away your laptop
If only you could put in a new ram stick or something. Then again, I hear fine motor skills like using a screwdriver is too advanced for your kind.

>>715478641
meanwhile you ignored
>Windows 8: white people in charge, windows dominates

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows sucks but it's the platform the games were designed for.
Linux sucks and it's not the platform the games were designed for.
Regardless of which one you choose, there will always be problems with them that you can't fix.
You can make both of them suck substantially less but it depends how much time you're willing to dedicate to it, which is also the metric you should use for picking what you want to use.

once you go black (linux) you can never go back

>>715448554
It's not actually that clear cut. Windows 98 is not the first Windows and it was hated when it came out but it became much better after patches and is now considered the best of the pre-2000s OS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMzXjCx81A4

Windows 2000 and XP were both liked. I don't know about 2000 but XP was considered a classic because it lasted a long time and it was probably the first OS for the majority of both gen x and gen y as it was the OS when the majority of normies and kiddies (including myself with these) discovered PC gaming, MMOs (Runescape and/or WoW), and the general Internet for the first time ever.

Windows Vista was considered wasted potential. It was rushed and the way it was rushed made it perma fucked. To the point where Windows 7 had to built up from Windows XP again and just take Vista code that wasn't shit. And then Windows 8 was the post Xbox 360 era. Something happened at this time where Microsoft become truly shit competency wise (they were always shitty business wise). The desktop market peaked so MS was really pushing their Windows phone and Windows 8 was awful because it was actually built for tablets and phones in mind. Windows 8.1 fixed a lot of it but Win7 is still considered the best of classic pre-IoT Windows.

Windows 10 was super shit when it came out but it's considered decent now. Win10 will probably be the last good Windows OS because now MS is taken over by pajeets and DEI girlbosses. Who are now enforcing 'vibe coding' onto their or development team (seriously).

The best Windows OSes overall are Windows 98, XP, 7, and 10 to a lesser extent. I personally don't care about ethics or privacy I just want my shit to work. Windows 7 was my favorite and I am holding onto 10 as long as I can. I just want Windows to be good again even if it meant no privacy and paying a sub. I fucking hate modern computers.
Please save us, Billy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlxznyPzDrQ

>>715479064
>>715479331
my laptop's ram is capped at 16 you retarded poojeets

I don't, but you need it for certain hardware now and games will be demanding it too.

>>715481439
using linux certainly does feel like you've been infected with aids

>>715474157
Vista was hated by poorfags with a shit pc, but I had zero issues with it. Winbows was acceptable right up until 10 with its spyware bloat, that made me jump ship.

>>715411231 (OP)
Are the Windows 11 defenders in the room with us right now?

>>715411231 (OP)
I unironically switched to Arch because of this shit

>>715427491
>FAKE NEWS SAAR
we're not falling for it

>>715411231 (OP)
I have no problems with it. It doesn’t get in the way of what I want to do. It’s that simple.

>>715463485
you and your eceleb should be banned from the internet.

>>715484876
This, I still have to encounter a problem with it. Hell, W10 was constantly giving me blue screens with every update.

>>715411231 (OP)
>How can PC gamers defend this garbage
I dont. I wish there was a good alternative that allowed me to smoothly do everything I do on Windows, but there isn't. Linux is a fucking headache, it's like one big hazing ritual where you have to prove you're a 'real' PC user by suffering through the dumbest contrivances and workarounds just to achieve what Windows 7 achieved in a click.

I don't defend Windows 11, I just use it, customized to my liking with all the group policy settings to make it secure and fast.
Linux users love to compare their fully tweaked out kernel and desktop environment to stock Windows, completely ignorant of the fact that you can customize the fuck out of Windows with a simple GUI that explains everything you are doing.

>>715457856
>It's the same shit with a different coat of paint. A coat of paint you can customize if you don't like the look of it
They broke the taskbar and the only way to "customize" is to run ExplorerPatcher so you can bring back the Win 10 taskbar

>>715481618
>he bought shit hardware and now that's everyone elses problem but his
you really are a destitute retard

I had to use windows 11 because the laptop I wanted was so good (a snapdragon yoga with OLED). After massive debloating, installing classic shell, enabling linux wsl, spy beacon. Its actually pretty good. You can nuke all the AI shit with group policy and powershell. Once you have a perfect debloated and optimized install back it up with macrium reflect. Its faster than W10

You guys whine too much. I don't think you faggots even play games. It works on my machine and I probably play more games than any of you.

>>715488198
how about you make an OS that doesn't rape people's ram, trashes your battery, uses up your data cap, and doesn't restart itself when it fells like it sanjay?

>>715411231 (OP)
Windows is the poor fag option

>>715417805
>You'll be defending it in 5 years
Windows 11 has already been out for 5 years and it's still trash 5 years in. Windows 10 was released in summer of 2015 and was fixed and usable by November 2015

>>715491220
>that doesn't rape people's ram
if you don't have 64GB of RAM by now you have other areas of your life you need to sort out you poor paki
also, windows creates a cache to speed shit up you tech illiterate retard
>trashes your battery
i get better battery life when running windows than linux thanks to background task sleeping
>uses up your data cap
i don't have a data cap because i'm not a destitute paki like you
>and doesn't restart itself when it fells like it sanjay?
if you're so tech illiterate you can't administrate you machine / network to not do what you want, you're simply admitting to everyone you're a retard

all you're doing is admitting you're poor, retarded and a paki

>>715411231 (OP)
Well, anon, if you are interested in obscure programs or in old games or in visual novels or need to use CAD programs for your job or whatever other obscure thing, then Windows is the only reasonable option if you don't want be tinkering with emulation every week for the rest of your life.

>>715492994
>Well, anon, if you are interested in obscure programs or in old games or in visual novels or need to use CAD programs for your job or whatever other obscure thing, then Windows is the only reasonable option if you don't want be tinkering with emulation every week for the rest of your life.

You do if those programs are 16-bit or even 32bit now.

>>715493042
The CAD programs at least have been updated to 64bit, but I suppose boomergaming and boomer VNs will always require emulation now. Tough.

>>715458563
>removing the start button was a GOOD thing
Garbage opinion

>>715411231 (OP)

I'm sure as fuck not defending it. We just recently had to upgrade to 11 on our computers where I work and it's been pissing me off left and right.

>>715411231 (OP)
I really have no idea why its so popular when Mint is literally easier in every way

>buy new cheap laptop (4 core N97 processor, 16gb DDR4 ram, SSD)
>put windows 11 on it for a laugh to see how bad it is
>updates take literal HOURS to install in the background
>it doesn't even update the progress bar more than once every like 5-10 minutes
>constant HUGE resource usage spikes for seemingly no reason
>it finally installs all of its updates, 24H2
>Install winaerotweaks and disable all of the retarded gayshit (defender, updates, edge, MS store app updates, telemetry, start menu lag)
>idle ram usage drops from 6gb to 3gb(!!!), CPU and disk usage stop randomly spiking

I installed Linux Mint on it afterwards in a faction of the time from a USB, it updated in literal minutes with no issues whatsoever. Runs vidya on steam and whatever else I want to install too without needing a program to lobotomize it from microsoft.

W11 is a literal joke OS, I was sitting there honestly stunned at how slow and unperformant it was, I'll at LEAST say that 24H2 felt more responsive than 23H2 even before I used the tweak program but still pathetic.

>>715497780
>another poor pakistani third worlder enters the thread
Why can't you poors just switch to trannux or something? You're giving us Windows lovers a bad name.

>>715498191
I said I use Linux Mint and installed your joke OS to laugh at it

>>715468956
>boo hoo this is too hard
I don't give a shit if your specific issue is hard to fix
On Linux you waste your time to make your experience better
On Windows you waste your time to not keep it bad, and it reverts itself if you let it, and that will be the case for every single user

>>715493042
>You do if those programs are 16-bit or even 32bit now
I still use plenty of XP-era programs that work just fine

So just how bad are the privacy issues on W11? How much of it is hearsay and how much has actually been confirmed?

>>715431665
rude ggit

>>715431680
You expect /v/ermin to know what Open Shell is?

>>715499978
>How much of it is hearsay
Virtually all of it
>how much has actually been confirmed
Virtually none of it
There's definitely telemetry involved, but if you disable everything during the installer and either disable cortana/copilot or use LTSC which has those features ripped out then the only thing that gets sent is basic diagnostic shit for windows update (can be disabled), network connectivity (can be disabled) and defender (can be disabled)

>>715417805
I've never defended any version of windows.
I use windows for the same reason I use firefox. It's the worst option available except for literally every other fucking option out there.

Pajeet gayming thread. Tranny gayming thread. Troonix gayming thread.

>>715411231 (OP)
>>715411362
I just kill the telemetry and bloat and run it like usual

>>715411231 (OP)
I don't
I moved to Linux when they announced EOL for Win10

So, what happens if I don't upgrade? What happens if I don't even get the LTSC? What happens if I just stay where I'm at and just let my antivirus handle everything? Will nothing happen?

Like Denuvo rapes games of frames per second, so does the Windows-11-required TPM chip.

Free open-source software points the direction. Linux is the way.

>>715411231 (OP)
Not my problem. All my 500+ games work perfect. All my 5000+ emus/roms work perfect too.

>>715505549
You're not going to get raped by chinese malware on day 0 of W10 going EOL
You can stay on it as long as you wish, eventually software will stop supporting it, same with newer hardware, etc. But 10 and 11 are very similar so that won't happen anytime soon. 7 was fine for a few years even after 10 launched.

>>715505559
Can tuxtards go a minute without spreading schizophrenia-fueled lies?

>>715507806
>You're not going to get raped by chinese malware on day 0 of W10 going EOL
the thing about malware is that it can be very hard to tell you've been pwned, for all your know you're already part of some russian botnet.
but yes staying on an unsupported OS increases the risks every day

>>715422715
Just in case, buy two drives (ideally visually different from each other) and back up all of your important files to one of them. Put it in a drawer in another room so you never accidentally overwrite it. THEN install linux on the other new drive.

>>715411231 (OP)
its totally fine

imagine being so retarded that you think you can migrate to linux when you can't even use windows properly. you're fucking toast buddy.

>>715411370
your gay