Thread 715424628

chinese steamies can't afford to game above 1080p kek. ccp moment

>>715424628 (OP)
4K is pointless waste of money and resources, it looks the same as 1080p from arms length.

>>715424835
Yeah ok buddy. People said the same shit about 720p

everyone is using DLDSR

I'll upgrade to 4k when I can comfortably run games at 240fps+ on it without framegen and upscaling faggotry

>>715424946
Ever heard of diminishing returns? Even the most paypiggy tech-cultists abandoned 8k because theres no point for 99% of usecases. And that's for televisions. Most PCs are connected to monitors, which are smaller by nature. 27" is too small to need 4k unless you sit your face glued to the monitor.

Your 4K shit is upscaled from 320x240.

Why did the industry jump right to 2160p and push so hard for it when there's such little noticable difference from 1440p to 2160p? 1440p is easier to run, you get better performance. And it's near indistinguishable from 4K.

>>715425264
because native 1080p media looks like ass on a 1440p monitor but the pixels like up fine on 4k

>>715425324
so if i watch a 1080p movie on a 1440p monitor it's gonna look like shit? i doubt it.
as it stands im watching 4k movies on my 1080p, so watching them on a 1440p would be an improvement. most stuff you can find in 4k these days.

>>715425383
>so if i watch a 1080p movie on a 1440p monitor it's gonna look like shit? i doubt it.
worse than on a 1080p monitor, yes. I noticed this the moment I bought a 1440p screen

>>715425453
just watch it 1:1 with black bars. problem solved faggot.

>>715425163
>Ever heard of diminishing returns?
Yeah and the same thing was said about 1080p.

>>715425554
No it wasn't.

>>715424946
1440p is plenty for computer monitors up to 27", if not more.
For TVs, unless you are playing 4k blurays, 4k is a meme because streaming services generally don't give you real 4k anyway.

>>715425552
but now I have gay black bars on my screen

>>715425554
Have you seen a 1440p and 2160p image side by side? You have to squint and zoom in to even see a difference. It is the point of diminished returns.

The leaps from other resolutions are all huge and noticable until you get to 4K where the difference is so negligible it doesn't even matter.

>>715425593
before you had *color of the wall behind your monitor* bars instead. which is worse.

>>715424628 (OP)
Nah people would rather just have 3-8 1080p monitors than 1 really good one

>>715425649
>he doesn't have monitor backlights lighting up the wall

>>715425668
Wheres the boxes for the 15 different kinds of fake dlss resolution

It's 2025. No AAA videogames run at a native resolution anymore.

>>715425668
We were robbed of 5k

>>715425618
Well you certainly haven't.

>>715425585
Yes it was. People were happy with 1600x1200 (or even 1366x768) claiming just some simple fsaa or msaa and you had a perfectly clear image.

>>715425946
And they were right. Now we have 4k fake pixels.

>>715425887
Problem with resolutions inbetween 4k and 8k is they have a relatively niche use - they mostly make sense in vidya terms for providing improved AA at monitor sized screens. For TVs something like 5k or 6k (well, resolutions we could call as such) it simply isn't enough to provide an impactful jump in image clarity.

>>715425946
feel bad for you dude, fell for the resolution jew

>>715426024
>And they were right
Then why is 1080p magically fine? Rhetorical question as I know the answer.

>>715426043
But there's even less image clarity difference between 5k and 8k.

>>715426094
It's not "magically fine", it's just the standard. And I don't care to hear your "answer", it's probably something profoundly stupid.

>>715424628 (OP)
What's the retina display for an average size monitor?

>>715424628 (OP)
Use case for 4K?
If you want perfect integer scaling on a 27" screen, you need 5K and only Apple and LG produce those screens exclusively for MacOS.

>>715426270
>integer scaling
>on a rendered game
wut?

Top: 1080p DLSS upscaled to 4k
Bottom: 1080p native.

1080p fags have no argument

there's more to life than caring about what resolution people use.

>>715425264
Scaling issues with lower rez shit.

>>715426480
what scaling issues?

I had 4k monitor at my previous work and had to set Windows scaling to 250% just to see anything. At home I still use comfortable 1680x1050 resolution a d nobody can stop me.

>>715426341
It's not about games.
On a 27" 1440p screen, you need to set the scaling to 125% so everything doesn't look tiny, but the downside is that non-game programs would look blurry because they are simply stretched to be 25% bigger.

>>715426464
Looks the same.

>>715426521
¯\ (°_o)/¯

For 27 inch screens you need to have 5k pixels in order to be considered a retina display.

>>715426464
Ok now try scaling 8K to 4K. See, 1080p chads win. They can use the best anti-aliasing there is.

>>715426659
>For 27 inch screens you need to have 5k pixels in order to be considered a meme display.

>>715426464
looks identical

>>715425163
>27" is too small to need 4k
bullshit screen manufacturer marketing slop
those niggers at best buy said the same thing about 1080p 15 years ago

>>715424628 (OP)
1440p is a shitty stopgap poorfag cope.

1440p -> 4k is a far bigger upgrade in pixel density than 1080p -> 1440p, plus 4k looks way better with legacy 1080p content due to scaling.

240Hz 4k OLED monitors are only like $1000 so you have no excuse unless you're just ultra-poorfag

>>715426698
Retina just means that your eye cannot distinguish the pixels above that resolution.

It literally has nothing to do with a particular display.

>>715426521
1080p looks considerably worse on a larger screen with 1440p than a native 1080p screen of the same size. I got a 16 inch 1440p laptop and the black bars are fucking atrocious when i run 1080p on it.

>>715424628 (OP)
This thread will likely hit bump limit and well over half the posts will be poverty stricken shitheads justifying their poverty and therefore access to hardware with "the human eye can't see above x resolution with y fps,"
The same cope was said when people pushed higher resolutions than 720p televisions and when monitors went from millions of colors to billions.
It's always poor people screaming about those damn sour grapes for decades and decades until they finally drop dead.

>>715426879
Retina as a concept is a meme.
>bro just pay for pixels you can't see

>>715424628 (OP)
i play games in 1600x900 on my tv and it looks fine

>>715426676
>if you can't see much difference between 8k and 4k then 1080p wins
derp

>>715426909
The human eye can't see more than 260 colours.

>>715426909
People just don't care about measuring pixels that much. If they want 24" they buy 24".

>>715426884
>video games
>talks about word processor text scaling

>>715426636
200% UI scaling in Windows is already integer scaling for 4k and gives you the exact same size UI comparatively as 100% on 1080p...

4k is just a 2x2 grid of 1080p, and that's what 200% scaling does, increases both x and y to 200%

>>715426958
No, the point is that DLSS is crazy good if your base render is above your native, but good luck trying to do that on a 4K monitor. ;/

>>715426782
Screen manufacturers would love to upsell you useless resolutions, retard.

>>715427023
what are you talking about?

>>715427007
What the do you mean nigger. I run mh wilds at 1080p because mobile 4070 is a meme and i get black bars that delete an inch of my screen. 2 if you count both bars.

luv me 1080p

>>715427035
DDR4 will stop production later this year, you may want to stock up poorfaggot.

>>715427090
Holy projection, Batman

>>715427062
Look at your own picture. Both of them are sized like they're just 1080p but the one rendered in higher base res looks noticeably sharper. It's like super anti-aliasing.

>>715427087
Yet it is odd how 4k runs better and looks better.

>>715426918
It's not a just a concept you fucking retard.

Yes, you shouldn't pay for pixels you can't see. That's literally the point.

>>715424628 (OP)
monitors are not the problem. gpus that can run shit decently at 4k and don't cost 3x they should are.

>>715427081
>you're the nigger
>but I have a mobile 4070 and run games at 1080p with black bars
lol

>>715427126
the 4k is at 4k. the 1080p has been stretched to 4k.

>>715424628 (OP)
>upgrade to 4k
>absolutely NOTHING looks good because it wasn't made for 4k
video games display resolution resolutions are the smallest issue here. it's all the other media. if I'm upscaling I may as well have stayed at 1080p.

>>715426464
dlss only looks better because it slaps sharpening on the image
modern game engines just suck cock everything is so blurry and unresolved you need 4k just to get something that resembles 1080p in games ten years ago

>>715427206
Yeah works both ways https://imgsli.com/Nzg3Mzk/0/2

>>715427171
Ok i fail to see how this makes what i said wrong. If you intend to play at a set resolution. Than have a monitor for its resolution. You can get a 1080p screen and render 4k on it just fine. It will look sharper. If you have a 1440p and attempt to run 1080p it doesnt come out as good as a native 1080p screen. Am i being gaslit?

>>715424628 (OP)
4k was just a dream to me at one point but the advent of fake frames and fake resolution has become quite the potent cope, almost justifies panic buying a 4080 super after my 3080 suddenly died

1440 seems to have the best price/ppi ratio

>>715427335
>you're a nigger
>but I have a nigger PC

>>715426782
>nooo, that's just marketer lies!
>>715427090
>nooo, you're just too poor to consoom!

Pick a line.

The main problem with gaming is movement.

A screen that is 1440p 120 hz will have more clarity then 4k 60hz.

8k DLSS ultra performance vs 4k native

>>715426884
The entire point is running shit at 1440p. You're argument for why we skipped 1440p to was because 1080p looks bad?
Wtf are you talking about.

>Yeah we skipped 1440p cus 1080p looks bad on a 1440p monitor

Then run it at fucking 1440p then

Not getting a monitor bigger than 24", not going higher than 144hz, not going higher than 1080p. If I ever upgrade my PC it will be for AI or VR porn. For games it's useless.

>>715427415
The laptop isnt my main driver you double nigger. My home pc is a modest 3080 desktop with a 4k monitor. I dont have issues running 1080p content on it.

>>715427035
they were trying to downsell me, you moron.
the profit margins are larger on shittier screens

>>715427445
Depends on the game. Outside of mouse-aim movement clarity becomes less important.

>>715424628 (OP)
4k is still a meme as you have to resort to upscaling that has 50% chance of working... At that point why even buy a high res screen like that

>>715427445
Nigger, you can buy a 4k 240Hz OLED. You can just have it all. Quit being fucking poor

>>715427450
Fuck man. DLSS on a still image is absolutely beautiful now. I backed the wrong horse.

Are native res and native frames completely dead forever?

My god I hate mega corporations. You know this shit is only done to sell GPUs. You fucking zogbot goy cattle have to have the latest Nvidia shiny toy and so they slap on all this useless pointless fucking tech. You KNOW Nvidia is giving backhand money to these AAA devs to make their games run worse on older cards right? It's all on purpose.

Yeah bro Monster Hunter wilds totally legitimately runs like shit. Uh huh. Buy the latest zog GPU then.

>>715427510
>the profit margins are larger on shittier screens
Source: It was revealed to me in a dream

>>715427497
>you're the nigger
>but I have a shit laptop and a shit desktop
ha ha ha

>just buy the thing!!
How come /v/ out of all places is like this? You'd imagine that we were against the shilling and make fun of the consoomers.

>>715427457
Thats why tvs dont do 1440p. They went from 1080p to 4k because consumerists would complain that their dvds would look like ass, hell even early blu ray. So yes the industry outside gaming enthusiasts skipped 1440p.

>>715427547
>he thinks 240Hz is high
Found the poor.

>>715427581
This is the case for any business my nigger

>>715427567
DLSS Quality looks better than Native so..

>>715427669
Don't fucking care. I want native reap pixels.

>>715427581
whatever, retard

>>715427692
>I don't care if it makes me game look better and run better and fix the rendering artifacts

>>715427614
Because the faggots with their incessant 'oo' words became so annoying that /v/ went pro-consumption just to spite them. This is the contrarian board, new nigger.

>>715427660
No it's not lol. Maybe leave your mother's basement more often. High end stuff typically has higher profit margins for various reasons.

>>715424628 (OP)
no game even runs over 1080 on any hardware without fake pixels and fake frames
just stick to 1080p. less bullshit. more frames.
if vendors kept pace it would be a different story, but chuckle fucks are trying to pretend 9060s are 1440 cards. 70 and 80 tier cards aren't even 1440 cards. The single product pushing enough horse power to matter are 4090s and 5090s. And they literally melt
Everything is shit.
every single gpu in the last 5 years has been unmitigated dogshit

>>715427905
You can also blame game devs for using ue5 and cramming their games with uneeded physics shit. But hey they gotta justify their bloated 200 million plus budget!

>>715426909
>The same cope was said when people pushed higher resolutions than 720p televisions and when monitors went from millions of colors to billions.
And they are still right
the push for more pixels has not produced a single game better than we had prior to 2005

>>715427810
Why are you so angry about the fact that Best Buy employees used to pull the same bullshit about sitting distances and resolution for 1080p that they do for 4k now?

>>715427457
you can't. movies dont exist at 1440p. it's not games we're talking about but everything else that happens on your monitor. including even simply the ui of your operating system. what's not clicking, retard?

>>715427151
So you agree retina is a meme.

>>715428006
But it's cheaper to use UE5 than develop your own engine.

>>715428312
Its only cheaper if you skip optimization. Witch ue5 desperatly needs.

>>715427562
Do you only play visual novels or something then?

>>715428509
No?

DLSS is awesome saar. Just train yourself not to look where the artifacts are.

https://youtu.be/I4Q87HB6t7Y?si=0XyKPBLNG7ZnU-n0&t=565

>>715428802
The new K model is better with text but uses more GPU.

>>715428971
Where do you find out from official documentation what the letters even correspond to, and how are you supposed to know for sure what letter version DLSS is active?

>>715426160
But why upgrade from 320x240 when 1080p is a meme? God you consoomers piss me off. My Cirrus Logic ISA video card is more than enough to play any game worth playing.

>>715429070
with Nvidia Inspector.

To see what's active I used this https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-dlss-indicator/ but idk if there's a better way today.

>>715429232
For me it is the matrox millennium.

You don't need 4k to play esports shit

>>715429232
I hope you're not using VGA, no good game needs 256 colors.

>>715429495
Or indies. Or retro. Or anything little bit older. Only thing you "need" 4K is for new games that you will then use to tell others how poor they are.

1440p is fine with me
don't need 4k

>>715429232
But 320x240 isn't fine. Where does it say that in the OP?

>>715429607
do you use a sound card? hmph. absolute waste of money if you ask me.

>>715429628
I need 4k for retro games.

>>715428802
>my shit native 1080p looks better
no it doesn't

>>715427445
>A screen that is 1440p 120 hz will have more clarity then 4k 60hz.
lol retard

We need to go back to 16:10.

Why would anyone need more than 80% srgb? Trick question as nobody does or can even see more than that.

>>715430024
Only high IQ anon in this whole thread.

>>715429869
>void beneath dress
i guess rockstar was alwasy woke... jokes aside what mods are you running?

For me it's 3440x1440p

>>715430415
https://www.mixmods.com.br/2019/06/sa-essentials-pack/

I also realise I posted the thumbnail rather than full size lol.

And if you ask the retards here everyone is using RTX 5090.

>>715424628 (OP)
>1080p
is not bad, but after i try 4k it's really plesent when you, in 70% games, dont need aliasing.

I have a decent amount of money saved up but I grew up in a shithole because my parents wasted all their money and got divorced. I'm still using 8/9 year old hardware. I also pirate everything and never seed.

>>715431116
>never seed
maidenless behavior

>take 4x the processing power just to make your game look like it has anti aliasing turned on
no thanks, maybe if I were one of those retards with a 50" home theater screen instead of a real computer monitor

>>715424628 (OP)
I really don't see the point in going above 1440p when you need a NASA PC to run games properly at 4K, and in a lot of cases you still need to use upscaling or frame gen.

>>715429607
>using a screen when Zork plays perfectly on a teletype
CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>715425706
>3+ monitors
how did I know this was EVE before looking

>>715424628 (OP)
4k is a ploy to sell nvidia gpus and fake frames
1440p masterrace ftw

>>715433985
Sorry. I'm a Proud Goy. You may look down on us, Hyman Goldfarb, but at least goys weren't kicked out of 109 countries.

>>715424628 (OP)
4k is unaffordable to the average consumer, nobody outside of enthusiasts want to pay $2000 every 2 years just to keep up.

Videogames are already a expensive hobby, you can't buy every new game without end up spending thousands every year, for most it's simply not worth it.

>>715434685
Pretty much this, 1440p 165+hz is way more of a value than 4k anything is right now and I feel perfectly happy with it.

>>715434685
>/v/ video game board
>no enthusiasts come here

>>715434841
"enthusiast" in this case means redditor who plays 15 minutes of games a year but still needs to spend 6 grand on a prebuilt PC with a 5080.

>>715434904
>exaggerates to absurdity to make a none point
you go girl

>>715434942
Thanks bby ;) I try.

>>715434942
But she is right. There are many games to play that do not require top tier hardware to have fun with.

>>715424628 (OP)
>dude throw away money for shit that hardly affects anything, you HAVE to invest in diminishing return slop
No, I dont think I will

What games are both worthwhile and improve significantly when using 4k? Do I need 4k to play indie/AA games, which are the only new games worth a shit in current year?

>>715435392
Old PC games without anti-aliasing.

>>715424628 (OP)
Playing anything in 4k is simply not viable without dlss6gorrilion upscaling it from 720p at cinematic 30fps . Games are coded like shit and the requirements are too high for what you get. I'd rather get higher FPS on an older game

>>715434942
In fairness he’s completely correct. It’s ridiculous how almost every commenter falls in one of two buckets
>poorfag PC who pirates everything and complains when his 1080 Ti can’t run something, may own a switch. Devours every game within days of release then cries there’s nothing to play
>millionaire who owns every console and a 5090 and multiple VR headsets yet chooses to spend all day here arguing with shitskins. Never actually plays games, “old good new bad”

>>715424835
Depends on screen size.

I have a 23.6 in 768p TV and a 31.5 in 1080p one. They look basically the same (similar ppi) honestly, only difference is size. I don't know, I feel like resolution is a bit of a meme

>>715424628 (OP)
You know the old saying when in doubt, 1440p it out.

I am pretty sure these threads are bait and no OP believes what they are saying

>>715424946
720p isn't that much different from 1080p especially when you add AA and other options. 1080p on a monitor or smaller tv is just fine. A large living room TV is where 4K is a real difference.