Thread 715435095

Aaaaaaaand they're dead on arrival
When is something going to be done about the Phil problem?

reminder that Switch 2 has already outsold Steam Deck's lifetime sales
only a tiny amount of people in the grand scheme of things actually want one of these gay handheld not-PCs

What Phil problem? This is on Asus for selling shoddy hardware at a premium again. Everyone saw this coming.

>>715435370
>handheld
Barely.

>>715435370
>reminder that Switch 2 has already outsold Steam Deck's lifetime sales
reminder that the Steam Deck literally only had to sell one (1) single unit to have a bigger platform than the Switch 1 and 2 combined

>>715435928
that is a gigantic cope

>>715435095 (OP)
not even surprised considering they're trying to appeal to retarded deck faggots lmao

>>715436001
it's not a cope, it's literally just an objective fact. it's also why the steam deck will continue getting both more games and more exclusives than the switch 2 even if it never sells another unit again

>>715435928
>only 132 million players when 2 billion+ people owns a PC
you lost.

>>715436101
>it's also why the steam deck will continue getting both more games and more exclusives than the switch 2 even if it never sells another unit again
holy delusion lmao
also, post 5 deck exclusive.

>>715436154
>what is monthly active users

>>715436154
>the majority of PC users don't need a handheld gaming device
Wow bro, tell me more crazy things

Where have the people telling me to get this instead of a Switch 2 or Steam Deck vanished to?

>>715436254
>holy delusion lmao
where's the delusion? the switch only has 5748 games whereas steam has over 100,000. the majority of good indie games are either exclusive to pc or come to pc first
>also, post 5 deck exclusive.
"deck" is not a platform, pc/steam is

>>715436324
that's why you guys have to use steam total numbers for your copes. if you use deck numbers, it won't even reach 500k monthly users since it only sold 3 million units, and at least 1 million of those are still in the hands of scalpers. lmao

>>715436589
>that's why you guys have to use switch total numbers for your copes
>if you only use switch lite numbers then the switch has only sold 25 million units

>>715435095 (OP)
>ally 2 will cost as much as ally 1

Wow!

>>715436480
>steam has over 100,000.
big if true.
>says: and more exclusives than the switch 2
>ask to post 5 deck exclusives
>b-bro, d-deck is not a platform, pc/steam is
nice way to move goalposts. keep seething.

>>715436708
>if you only use switch lite numbers then the switch has only sold 25 million units
how much the deck sold again?

>>715435463
Yeah, this is the point.
What the fuck are those massive bricks supposed to be? A "quasi-pc gaming i can play on the bed"? This shit is not portable.

The switch is also FUCKHUGE but way less, and you can separate screen and controls.

>>715436773
>nice way to move goalposts. keep seething.
anon, if you're genuinely in denial about pc having both more games and exclusives than the switch then i can easily prove that to you
https://www.thegamer.com/pc-best-exclusive-games/

>>715436254
>muh exclusives
Unlike you console faggots, we know exclusives are a scourge on the gaming industry since it enforces monopolies and restrict player choice.
But since you are a tendie you are probably beyond hope, keep shoving that nintendo cock down your throat and brag about it.

>>715436884
>how much the deck sold again?
nobody knows, valve hasn't released any numbers my esl friend

>>715436154
>Only 150 million Switch sales when there are 10 billion TVs in the world

>>715435370
PC Handhelds will always be a de facto PC peripheral. If they want these things to have wide appeal they need to convince people who don't own PCs to buy them and they can't do it.

>>715437181
>If they want these things to have wide appeal they need to convince people who don't own PCs to buy them and they can't do it.
Why would they need to convince literal third worlders who don't even own PCs to buy the Steam Deck?

can your switch 2 run all games from one to sixth generation consoles?
do you have the ability to play almost every arcade game from that era?
can you migrate your savefiles easily between your devices?
do you have the ability to install 4chn+ for easy shitposting on your handheld?

>>715436480
NTA, but lmao I love when /r/pcmasterrace talks about quantity.

Lets take a look at what people are playing within this treasure trove of 100,000 'games'.

Wow, truly incredible what some people are missing.

>>715437861
i think this would be a great point if the situation on the switch wasn't much worse
yes, most games are bad. the pc being the biggest platform naturally gets both more good games and more bad games than platforms that are smaller, such as the switch and the other consoles

>>715438054
Ms stopped having real fans 15 years ago

>>715436938
This is not an argument for the deck though. The optimal choice would be PC plus switch 2.
The deck itself doesn't have exclusives, a regular PC is better. Infact there are games the deck can't play or struggles to play.

>>715436995
There is no reason to buy a deck over the switch two. I can play every steam deck game on my PC.

>>715440990
>>715441043
why buy the switch 2 at all if you have a pc that will emulate it next year? stupid tendies.

>>715441225
I was told it would be emulatable within 3 days, what happened?

>>715441225
Nah, there is no guarantee it will be emulatable within a reasonable time frame

>>715435370
Does Valve sell the Steam Deck anywhere other than Steam? Nintendo sells the Switch 2 in a bunch of stores.

>>715441225
>emulate it next year?
Lmao

>>715436254
Literally every pc game ever you colossal tendienigger.

>Release targeted niche product
>Establish hardware/software/UI competency
>Gauge user habits
>Prepare for next major release
This is all in service of the Nextbox, which will be a living room PC.

>>715441316
>they took the money and ran
how did anyone fall for this?

how big of a difference is the 600 one compared to the 900 one? is it worth the 300 difference?

>>715436904
Its aimed at the
"I play games on the couch lying down whilst my wife watched netflix" demographic.
Their marketing is aimed at 30 somethings

why did they bother with the Xbox branding if they aren't going to subsidize it in some way?

>>715441835
In the words of a particular shitposter:
>"They didn't want to play on shitendo hardware and would rather spend their money on investing in a better way to play their games".
Smarter people would have waited for a free version or better yet, looked into it first.

>>715436476
the youtube comment sections of these videos

>>715442164
Yeah these are annoying.
Outrage farming at its finest.

>>715441891
600 has a chip similar to deck and 900 has a z2e "ai".

>>715445938
>600 has a chip similar to deck
what? really? but a deck is like 400 bucks

>>715446027
600 is basically competing against the Legion Go S and Deck.

Legion Go 2 is this but with VRR OLED, an employee said expect it in September.

>>715446261
gotta see the benchmarking when this is out
can't really see the AI variant of the Z2 being all that better

>>715435370
FPBP
deck is a gimmick no one actually wants

>>715446475
Itll have the magic of ai!

>>715446706
>ether buy the stupid AI shit
>or get a gimped 8 core RDNA 2
what the fuck were they thinking

>>715447226
>stupid AI shit
Its just an NPU, and it does nothing unless you intentionally use it. Why are you such a faggot?
Gimped version is same SoC as in the Deck

>>715447226
2 go is lenovo exclusive and Asus probably didn't want to bother with a z2 and z2e variants.

When will people take the mobile phone pill? Moonlight is free and works amazing. I literally played Tears of the Kingdom to completion BEFORE IT WAS EVEN RELEASED on my phone with a controller. Unless you don't have a gaming PC and you're buying one of these handhelds as a cope, just spend $30 to $50 on a phone controller and thank me later.

>>715435095 (OP)
a thousand dollars is cheap for a powerful handheld gaming PC, what's the issue here?

>>715442164
Where can I find this gentlemans fine content?

>>715436476
>Switch 2 as nintendo games
>steamdeck as steam os and is cheaper
Why i should get this shit?

>>715441835
They hate nintendo

>>715449569
Your phone screen is too tiny to play games properly. I'd rather stream to VR.

>>715441962
Pajeet would nevers subsidize it

>>715441962
Because at the end of the day, it's a fucking Ally 2 with an Xbox button.

>>715449946
>Your phone screen
MY phone screen is just fine.

>>715437446
>can your switch 2 run all games from one to sixth generation consoles?
>do you have the ability to play almost every arcade game from that era?
this is the reason I want switch 2 hacks, being able to emulate everything 1st to 5th gen has improved switch 1 so much for me

These handheld PCs are never going to sell at more than $500.
People just aren't going to pay that, especially now when everyone's losing their jobs and can't afford to splurge.

>>715435095 (OP)
Canada is absolutely fucked.

>>715441316
>Find out more at our Patreon

Anyone with half a braincell would have realized that this was nothing but a scam.

>>715450501
Wait, Switch cant emulate dc/ps2/gc?

>>715450662
Some DC games emulate well. I've been playing Hydro Thunder and Crazy Taxi lately. No way it can handle PS2/GC.

>>715450662
People who have put ps2 emulators on it have reported meh performance. The gc virtual console stuff is switch 2 exclusive. Read into that what you will.

>>715450531
They have a lower BOM than a budget laptop, and decent profit margins at their selling points. They don't need to move a ton of volume for it to be worth while, which is why every OEM is selling their own. They don't need to move millions of units per year, and clearly plenty of people are buying them.

>>715450578
Holy fucking shit Canada.
What the fuck?

>>715450662
No. Amusingly, a retroid 5 has better emulation performance (and a better screen, but that's besides the point).

>>715450952
Canada's entire economy is a strained bubble and their money is worthless

Why the fuck could nobody other than steam make a decent handheld console for $400?

>>715451139
You can get z1es on sale for $350.

>>715441472
>>715441472
>Nintendo sells the Switch 2 in a bunch of stores.
They sell the deck in Costco south of the border.

>>715435370
>Sales sales sales
>Meanwhile tendies seethe at other games for selling more than Nintendo game

>>715451139
Valve can sell their hardware straight at BOM because they're the ones selling you software to run on it. Even if you don't buy games from them it hurts them none because they're not beholden to shareholders and guaranteed to be massively profitable. The higher SKUs having a small profit margin is just icing on the cake. No one else is in the same position as Valve.

>>715441472
No but don't expect Nintendo jeets to admit this

>900 eurobucks
>not even oled or exclusive games
so this is the power of the Switch 2 killer lmao

>>715435095 (OP)
If this pricing is accurate it is truly dead on arrival. No one is going to pay $1,000 US for a handheld. You could buy a 5070 and a Logitech G Stream for less with better performance. The Ally has always been better as a plugged in handheld, so the portability factor is less of a counter argument.

>>715451207
>Live in Texas
>Jump the border to get a cheap OLED steam deck at Costco so I don't have to buy it off Steam
>850 USD for a 512GB mode
How the fuck does anybody live in that country?

>>715435463
If you don't have tiny hands this isn't a problem

>>715435370
>Normalfags love the switch
>the Deck is a niche product for a specific audience
Wow, what a great argument in the deck's favor

>>715451207
Cotsco doesnt even exist in my town. All we have is a fucking faggot gay ass Sam's Club

>>715452943
I like Sam’s Club. Cheap gas and I never have to actually grocery shop ever. Just setup a pickup, they bring it out, and I drive away. I know other stores do it too, but wholesale shopping is way more time consuming walking around the warehouse.

I just want Steam Deck 2 already....

>>715453854
>I just want Steam Deck 2 already....
Sorry buddy. You're going to have to wait for Valve to release more VR slop first. Steam Deck 2 probably won't be until 2028 at this rate.

>>715453854
Deckard first
then deck 2
see you in 2030

>>715453753
>Meanwhile tendies still seethe at deck
Lmao

>>715456162
>Implying.
Deckies are always seething at the switch 2 and will jump at any chance to shill it to squeeze a few sales.

>>715435095 (OP)
That's $700 and $1050 here in the US, yeah, it's over. Valve ate their lunch.

>>715435095 (OP)
I saw people unironically say Nintendo was done for after they announced this shit kek.
Poor Xbox hasn't gotten a win in like 15 years.

>>715435370
Shut up, Xbot, this is about you, not Nintendo.

>>715435095 (OP)
>Faggots here claimed that the NS2 was too expensive for your average buyer
LMAO.

>>715438054
You now know that the Switch 2 vs Steam Deck posts come from Snoys and Xbots who are either mad SIE and Microsoft Gaming are dying in real time or are getting paid by Sony and Microsoft to get everyone's attention off their fall out.

>>715435370
I'm convinced this thing could be cheaper than the Switch 2 and it would still sell poorly. Just look at the Series S.

People just don't give a fuck about Xbox anymore. Rightfully so

>>715442164
God, I'm so happy that in 10th generation, Xbots and Snoys are getting screwed. I'm also happy Youtube is finally cracking down on AI shit like this.

>>715453854
2027 or 2028

>>715458674
Nobody buys xboxes though

>>715435095 (OP)
we really pretending a thousand dollars for a gaming PC you can take with you on the go is too pricey?

>>715460606
It says Xbox on it, so it is bad!
When really it is an ally x 2. Isn't the ally x already like 800-900 eurobuxs?

>>715459002
>I'm convinced this thing could be cheaper than the Switch 2
I dunno. If it was $300, it'd sell a PC gaming trojan-horse/entry PC.

But:
>No trackpads
Kills it for any actual PC gaming (RTS, FPS [sort of]) genres that rely on mouse, because Microsoft and Asus, in their infinite retardation, think folks want a portable console when they can already get a Velveeta Shells and Cheese, or Shitcher 1 or Shitcher 2: Assassin's of Tendies instead of a PC without PC features.

>>715435095 (OP)

Are they seriously making two versions with different specs again? Did they learn nothing from xbox?

>>715460606
Yes, because it is.

>>715461093
Does anyone even use the trackpads to game? I only use them to goon on the deck in desktop mode so I can type in the website name into edge.

I don't wanna hear "expensive" or "greed" again with Nintendo when all their competitors are more expensive and in some cases double the price.

>>715435095 (OP)
It was pretty obvious they wouldn't get subsidized by Microsoft since they raised the prices of the xbox hardware. Yea these things won't sell 100k.

>>715461704
a comparable desktop is like 800+

>>715451207
I'm assuming these cardboard cards are exchanged for a real deck somewhere else in the store, and that there are only as many of these cards as there are decks in storage.

>>715435370
Nintendo is for kids so of course they'll be more sales

>>715435463
No shit the ally is bigger when it has stronger tech, also I'm a big guy so I can bring it out in public

>>715461803
Those people are in for a ride when they announce the price of the PS6 and Nextbox (if there even is another Xbox).

>>715467425
PS6 and Xbox 2 are gonna be 500
don't fear monger anything more

>>715461803
I've been saying multiple times that Nintendo and Valve will be the cheap options for next generations, Snoys and Xbots are either delusional, stupid, or both

>>715467425
I can't wait, the price reveals are going to be fun. Let's see who tries to defend them.

>>715467619
The PS5 Pro is already $700 lmfao

>>715467619
>PS6 and Xbox 2 are gonna be 500
lmao

>>715438054
there's not a lot to discuss when it comes to xbox beyond microsoft's crusade to destroy the industry by buying up talent for ludicrous amounts of money and then kicking them to the curb when they inevitably fail to profit
>>715458886
>Switch 2 vs Steam Deck posts come from Snoys and Xbots
lets not pretend tendies aren't participating in the shitflinging too
>getting paid by Sony and Microsoft to get everyone's attention off their fall out
/v/ is one of the least intelligent gaming spaces on the internet
i promise you none of the higher ups of any of these companies pay /v/ any mind because the opinions that come out of this place are retarded at best and actively worthless at worst

>>715463193
No it's not.
And a comparable laptop is like $500-$600.
The people looking to buy handhelds are not going to pay $1000 for them, handhelds are companion devices, you buy them as a secondary device to your primary gaming device, ergo they're not worth spending that much money on.

>>715451139
Valve was selling the first 64 gigas model at a loss, that's why they stopped selling it

>>715436480
>switch only has 5748 games whereas steam has over 100,000
Quality over quantity, just like N64 and Saturn versus PS1.

>>715468258
The 256 GB model is also currently $400.

>>715435370
Isn't the switch made for children?

>>715435095 (OP)
Lol
Lamo even
>(((X box ALLY)))
So this is what 950-1000USD to 650-700$ since the euro is worth 15% more and will be soon 20-35% maybe even 50%+ like in the past.

These prices are insane for a massive handheld that makes you look like an omega autis in public. Honestly better off pushing a phone&console with a 1k+ price tag with 2 spec versions that you promise will have a 5 year life min. However microsoft will never ever ever create a unix OS for phones/handhelds. Thus bloated POS jeetcode that overheats within 5mins and shuts off if the temp outside is above 25C because internally its reaching 100c melting&poping shit.


Like their fucking OS is dog shit it cant be used for a phone or even console. This is a terrible idea. Its like instead of looking at what nintendo&valve has done and copying them. They are just going lets repeat the fucking windows phone but make it longer and the OS even worse and throw in massive overheating problems! who cares about stability the RROD taught us shit eaters will buy garbage. All that matters is tricking goyim with sales, then tricking investors with false sales data leaving out all the refunds and handhelds that keep shitting themselves every 2-4 months giving the customer a new one. MICROSOFT DOESNT NEED TO MAKE SALES&MONEY ITS ALL ABOUT PROMOTING FALSE ACCOUNTING AND THUS A HIGHER SHARE PRICE BABY ALL THAT MATTERS IS PROFITS WHO CARES IF EVERYTHING THAT EATS INTO PROFITS IS 3-10X ITS VALUE THE NUMBER IS TOTALLY GOING UP MICROSOFT IS #1 BABY BUY MORE SHARES!

>>715468426
But the 64 GB model was at 350 during their last days and during sales you could even get it at 320

>>715435370
>reminder that Switch 2 has already outsold Steam Deck's lifetime sales
Because valve doesn't want massive sales or shipping a shit product. This was a proof of concept for their loonix OS and using cheap hardware. Blowing a shitload of money to buy 50 million handhelds when you dont know how they will sell is retarded. And if it does sell just make small numbers of new units because the hardware is old.

Just do more R&D work on making loonix better and wait for X chipsto get cheaper. Then release the new product that you took a gamble on making a high number of units hoping it breaks record sales and beats valves internal expectations within the year. Promiss consumers you will update shit for a few years without releasing revisions with much better hardware. So devs will spend time making the game run better on the steamdeck 1.0


Also the fucking switch is sold in every god damn big brand store. The deck is only for sale from valve online minus resellers. comparing the two is retarded

>>715468258
For the Steam Deck 2, will the LCD model keep the 256GB or will that be bumped up to 512GB?

>>715467425
you're way too optimistic, they will defend the $999 price tag, saying "it's more powerful than Switch 2 so it's totally ok"

>>715469065
DECK IS ADVERTISED ON EVERYONE'S FUCKING STEAM HOMEPAGE, THAT IS LIKE A BILLION PEOPLE WHO ALL LIKE TO PLAY VIDEOGAMES. ENOUGH WITH THE RETARDED COPE.
>no you see, Valve does not like selling their product, they are just selling less on purpose
STOP BEING RETARDED, STOP WORSHIPPING VISHNU POOP AND THINK NIGGA, THINK

>>715469162
It doesnt exist yet, so who knows.

>>715469540
Who cares? Why are you so invested in consumer product sales?

>>715469690
>why do you care about me being retarded?
It's not about the product, it's about you being a brainless moron

>>715461740
>Does anyone even use the trackpads to game?
Absolutely. People use them with the Steam Controller API for "glyphs" that give more options. I don't have a hot link to give you, but if you go around the Steam Controller subleddit or even the Deck's leddit you'll see folks making "menu" tic-tac-toe glpyh menus that give them more options off the trackpad in addition to their controller options. It was one of the "killer features" of the original Steam Controller once you got used to it.

>>715469797
That wasn't me

>>715469849
>t.him

>>715469162
The only sure thing is that there won't be a cheap ass model like the original deck

>>715469540
Well yeah you need to see how many sales you can get after 2 years. This is very basic marketing&sales, valve wants to know what the life of the steamdeck will be. Its a valve product no shit its going to be advertised a lot on steam. Its "new" finding out the 5 year life long sales once again is super important.
Literally everyone does this with a new product especially if you are investing tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in manufacturing the next version of the product.

This is beta test most the stuff valve has made has failed. Its a test bed for their version of loonix and finally capturing hardware sales because of how shit microsft is and xbox finally dying.

>>715470167
>they made a bad product on purpose, it's 4D chess!

This isn't on Phil. This smells like corporate sabotage to gets some stink on Xbox for a future spin-off or closure. Phil's already announced his departure, in practice that means Bond should be out front on this. That she's now means she knows there's no point.

>>715438054
It's sad. Xbox can't even into pity posting. No one even wants to dab on it.

The AMD chipsets are good, and really good on a per-W basis, but that's compared to the retarded dumpster fire that it Intel. I'm not going to be even half surprised if these Xbox handhelds barely keep up with the Switch 2 in a cuple years, even though they're hugely faster on paper.

>>715468970
True, I got mine for $340 after tax.
Stuck a 512 GB SD card in it and it's a great machine for indie games, smaller AA releases, less demanding Jap games, and older console games/ports.
The only game I haven't been able to get working on it so far is Way of the Samurai 4.

>>715435095 (OP)
Get a job, Manolo

>>715470369
How is it a bad product? Its a low spec computer the size of a switch that plays literally every game/system since the 80's and is a normal computer you can install any loonix program on.

Devs dont want to waste time fucking around with another console. Microsoft forced two shitty hardware systems with their god awful OS. Valve much like nintendo&sony is pushing UNIX but instead of using some cringe custom version of BSD. They are going with Arch so its not just a console its a literally computer you can do anything. Its eaiser to code for/edit games from playstation-nintendo minus the shitty specs. Porting a game from playstation to deck is easy as fuck compared to god awful version of windows the xbox runs.


People dont want to waste fucking 2k on just GPU's people want a 500-1k system that will last for 5 years while also being able to use shit like a computer. Hell if the next version of the steamdeck allows simcards for phone&internet it will make even more sales. No need for a shitty andriod phone just have a wireless headset connected to your deck. Since its loonix you can just do wtv the fuck you want its a normal computer. Poof valve finally entered the hardware market, unless microsoft being stagnat as fuck with horrid jeetcode. People will finally try loonix because valve is behind it. I mean hell even working on a version to install on ARM chromebooks would be a god send.

>>715471104
Also with how lazy gamedevs have been thanks to unreal engine. Not optimizing code instead forcing people to waste money on GPU's or buy a PS5 for the same game that looks only a tad worse. Xbox dying saving devtime so they can finally optomize games instead of getting two versions of the game working for xbone is going to be a god send.

>>715471331
>he thinks they will start optimizing games
kekaroo

>>715471442
NTA but they (UE devs) might start exporting to Vulkan instead of DirectX now that Xbox is slipping. Computers can run Vulkan just fine and it's just 1 click for the devs. Xbox was literally born to keep davs using DirectX and Microsoft's mismanagement of the brand very well might lead to better optimization. Almost every game that can run both VK and DX, runs better with VK.

>>715435370
>reminder that Switch 2 has already outsold Steam Deck's lifetime sales
It's so funny watching the cultists get mad at this fact

>>715441472
They can't afford retail profit cuts. Every deck is already sold at a loss.

>>715470097
But it's pretty much a guarantee that there will be one LCD model and one OLED model, right?

>>715435370
>mentally ill tendie has to shamelessly plug his cucksole
I hate you as much as OP

>>715471825
>might start exporting to Vulkan instead of DirectX now that Xbox is slipping.
ding ding openGL has always been the standard for high end shit in video/editing. DirectX is cancer forcing dev's to waste a shitload of time on custom microsoft cancer. Nintendo&sony never used directX. Thats a fuck load of manhours wasted throw in you need to do shit for PC and both custom versions on the xbones.

Its making shit more streamlined,microsoft is literally holding everything back by 15 years because of their garbage they themselves cant and dont understand because SAARS WAT THIS SAARS DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS UPDATE BROKE 50 millon COMPUTERS MAKINGUSERS UNABLE TO USE THIER PC'S ESPECIALLY AT WORK.

>>715472494
My guess is the only difference this time will be the screens and SSD space, other than that, everything will be the same unlike the current Steam Deck LCD and Steam OLED where the OLED is clearly the improved model.

>>715465174
nah, it's actually a very thin box.
they just fold the deck really well.

>>715435095 (OP)
>de google
Fucking spic