>SKG won't happen because it would be asking companies to increase their costs
>It would be unreasonable to ask companies to change their server design process
>It would limit their creative freedom!
The EU has already demonstrated they don't give a shit about these, so what?
>>715435871 (OP)The first few months of the new EU mandated bottle caps were fucking shit, thankfully manufacturers learned how to make them not be complete cancer and only conservatard boomers complain about them now.
And someone has still to explain how releasing the server software like every single publisher did before consoles became the main market would hurt developers.
>>715435871 (OP)Limit their creative freedom to what? Fuck you in the ass?
If the game were actually innovative and use online features in a way that's just new ways to extract money from players people wouldn't be that mad
It's a dumb argument. They are mad cause they won't be able to farm their players for dlc and shit
>>715435871 (OP)>increase their costsDebunked since MS created an offline version of Redfall.
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>>715436521I don't really mind the caps. I've seen the occasional online meme about how "america and china are making AI while the EU modified the bottle caps" in a style that mocks the EU but those industries are unironically being a far greater net negative to society at large than making it far less likely for animals to swallow bottle caps is. I don't know why /v/ is full of ragebait against SKG though, are people that mindbroken into ragebaiting all the time that they feel compelled to go against something that's pretty much a complete positive or do they think they're doing their part by "riling people up" into supporting it?
>>715437283I think that's only part of it, but a lot of people are legitimately brainwashed and think that any kind of regulation is evil communism that will make Stalin come back from the dead to conquer the world, and there are probably some shills paid by gaming company lobbies to try and steer public opinion.
Some of you thirdies seem a bit confused, but to clarify; The EU regulations have no power over the rest of the world. The tethered bottlecaps were mandated by the EU; but companies only use them outside of the EU because they choose to do so. Similarly companies could absolutely have an EU only SP EOS patch.
>>715436521Eh i still draw little swastikas on bottle caps, take them off and throw them in the woods. That'll teach them a lesson. EU has made shit decisions than good ones and i'll never forget that. If they also don't care about SKG movement, that just makes me hate them even more.
>>715437903Companies can also just not sell in the EU if they so wish
>>715435871 (OP)I hate these caps, when you pour water they fall down and get in the way
>>715435871 (OP)I recently bought one a bottle with a cap that was connected. I thought that was pretty clever.
>>715437283>than making it far less likely for animals to swallow bottle caps isThat's the reason why? That's sweet.
>>715435871 (OP)I want to tombstone piledriver the person who thought these dogshit bottlecaps were a good idea into a wood chipper.
>>715435871 (OP)Remember back when PC games came with the server software out of the box on day one? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
>>715438125Definitely. They will not sell to one the biggest markets on earth, where people have high salaries and they are into recreation.
It's not like they make 20% of their revenue from there or anything.
>>715438259Wouldn't that be a murder suicide? Cheer up emo kid, it's only a bottlecap.
>>715438338Yeah a bottlecap I rip off every time I open a bottle :)
>>715438240>That's the reason why? That's sweet.I think the primary reason for it is specifically that people throw out the entire bottle cap and all to be recycled, but personally I like that it's a lot less likely for animals to just swallow random bottle caps in the wild when people pollute it.
>>715438125Yeah I am sure that the cost of releasing a server software for some game they EOSd far outdoes the benefit of selling their product in the whole of the EU.
>>715438492I wish it'd be a mainstay across the world. I have kids in my neighborhood who sell water but they toss bottles and caps everywhere. It drives me nuts.
>>715435871 (OP)its about copyright and ownership not dev costs
>>715435871 (OP)>You will never drop the bottlecap on the floor againEU I KNEEL
>>715438240No, the reason why is that initiatives like that make people in the EU parliament incredibly rich, while achieving absolutely nothing, before being dropped half a decade later. Same shit with recyclable plastic bags.
>>715438558Why wasn't this a problem until online multiplayer services on consoles became mainstream?
>>715438784Sorry Apple, but the type C stays.
>>715438865Yeah, every 100 dogshit initiatives there's also a good one, like when Steam was forced to implement a refund system, shocker. Almost like there's even a saying for that, something about broken clocks and blind chickens, I think?
>>715435871 (OP)>SKG won't happen because it would be asking companies to increase their costsThey've been cutting costs since forever, or doesn't anyone remember they started the "release game then layoffs for profit" as early as 2018, with the release of RDR2?
>It would be unreasonable to ask companies to change their server design processAs if their fucking servers haven't been replicated and reverse engineered for years now, this shit isn't the rocket science they want everyone to believe it is. Nowadays it must be a fucking docker image running the DB and a few APIs.
>It would limit their creative freedomHardware couldn't limit the creative freedom of the best designers and programmers this industry has seen, and that was decades ago.
The industry is full of fags and hacks that can't bring themselves to release an actually decent game even if their lives depended on it.
>EA>Embracer group>Epic>Bamco>Riot>Supercell>Actiblizz>Fucking UbisoftThese fags have done NOTHING but release live service trash and season pass bullshit for the past decade and yet they have the nerve to take a stand against this movement.
I hope these companies get buttfucked by a donkey in every way possible for being the dishonests fucks they are.
>>715436521they didn't change shit and they're still garbage that makes it more difficult to drink straight from the bottle
The only good ones were the mogumogu ones where there are little straps between bottle and cap (I might've drank these on vacation so idk where exactly this was)
>>715438972>something about broken clocks and blind chickens, I think?No, cause broken clocks don't force corporations to make changes.
>>715440018>they didn't change shit and they're still garbage that makes it more difficult to drink straight from the bottlehow are you struggling to drink from a bottle with the cap to the side?
>>715436521I don't get the caps.
If they want to reduce plastic waste, wouldn't it be better to ban plastic bottles altogether? It's not like we don't have the glass bottle technology.
>>715440567Because glass is heavy (and breaks easily). I'm pretty sure it's also far more expensive and energy hungry to produce, plus it would still necessitate the bottlecap thing.
>>715437283I'd be sympathetic to the Innovation argument if American companies actually innovated in something else than fucking customer in the ass. Meta has made no positive contribution to society but it's highly valued by the market for the ability to gather people's personal data in an efficient manner for nefarious purposes. The fact this is highly valued by the market and making them one of the biggest companies in the world is why you can't trust corpo without regulation
>>715440457>makes it more difficultread retarded troll, read
>>715440567>>715440860Glass bottles can be resued multiple times but people have to return them and they have to go back to bottling plant. This means you have to transport them back and as mentioned they are heavy. It's still something that happens with local breweries, reportedly beer bottle goes around 8 times of average before it's scrapped and melted down to make new ones.
The transport problem could be solved by standardising the bottles so they can just be bought to whoever needs them closest, but that would probably make manufacturers mald they can't b special snowflakes on shelf.
>>715435871 (OP)what the fuck is this
why is the yellow drink redcapped
the red drink greencapped
but the blue drink gets its own color cap
what is this favoritism bullshit with blue
>>715441598The higher weight also means more fuel consumption for transportation of the same volume of liquid and needing to use sturdier wooden pallets for handling. The logistics of returning bottles to the bottling plants is also more complex than simply bringing them to centralised recycling centers.
>>715440418it literally has over several generations of our history, especially broken computer clock
>>715440418Did this sound smart in your head?
>>715443337unless you're talking about Y2K?
Stop Adding Celebs (SAC). There, I solved their cost problem
>>715443541But anon Mr. Shekelstein might have the tapes where I diddle some kids leaked if I don't give his agency million of dollars to cast their pet actor in my new walking simulator!
>>715440418get the fuck out of this thread Ptolemy
>>715435871 (OP)>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HOST COMMUNITY SERVERS BECAUSE THEY ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR KIDS!!!>Online interactions are not rated by the esrbYour move chud?
>>715435871 (OP)Why do people not like this lid thing? to me it seems good as it stops the lid from falling on the ground or whatever
>>715440418this guy‘s boss still makes him work his shifts based on running water and shadows
>I actually like being forced to use the slave bottle cap, I love my shackles
Are EUros for real? Or is this some EU NGO excusing this infringement in these threads?
Why isn't the "I want to play the crew" spammer in this thread?
>>715443783Some of them are very shoddy and will turn around making the cap go against your face which is pretty uncomfortable, but it's mostly overreacting to change.
>>715443976only brainlets are upset by these bottle caps (and it's usually these same people that were the reasons these caps exist now)
>>715435871 (OP)>The EU has already demonstrated they don't give a shit about these, so what?and this sort of behavior from the EU should be exactly why SKG fags should stop and think about what they are doing, they don't care about the consequences of their anti corporate crusades
>>715443976>lil bro lacks the strength to rip it off
>>715435871 (OP)>creativemarket focus groups sre the exact opposite of creativity
>>715444096well its extremely easy to just rip the lid off and have it act like lids used to be. it seems like such a nothing issue.
>>715444312>just do pointless extra work because the government made it mandatory, what's the big deal? how does it impact you personally?hmmm sounds familiar
>>715444312It is and nobody actually cares irl, it's just what rw amerigoy engagement farms on xitter decided to focus on for some bizzarre reason.
>>715443976Love the
>It doesn't happen>It's good that it happens and here's whyetc
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Not a sane single human is for these changes.
They're all just ragebaiting and pretending to be retarded because they actually are
Oopsie, what now shills?
You WILL own your games and you WILL be happy.
>>715444554wat. it takes like 1 second to rip the lid off.
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>>715444808B-but EA stocks might go down by 0.23 points for a whole week! Why won't someone think of the stockholders and board of directors???
>>715444997kek oh man, this fat fuck really has let himself go mentally.
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>>715441174Your mouth is busted
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>>715437283>are people that mindbroken into ragebaiting all the time that they feel compelled to go against something that's pretty much a complete positiveThe people that post here are morons, so yes.
>>715444808This is hilarious that people are jumping on board communist notions like this over fucking video games.
>>715445224based, keep it up
these threads deserve to die
>>715444805>>715443976You guys get mad over the dumbest shit. If only you had this level of passion over shit that actually mattered and was bad for people and the world as a whole.
>>715437283I rip the caps off anyway and collect them for charity. Caps plastic is worth much more than bottles and you can actually sell it for recycling.
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no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.
>>715445356>I mean, ugh, who cares? What's the big deal? It's not that bad!Wow what a compelling argument in favor of the use of government force to compel behavior.
>>715445321>owning the product you bought is communismYou retarded subhuman corporate bootlickers are the best propaganda tool an actual communist could wish for.
>>715437283> I don't know why /v/ is full of ragebait against SKG though, are people that mindbroken into ragebaiting all the time that they feel compelled to go against something that's pretty much a complete positive or do they think they're doing their part by "riling people up" into supporting it?Many of us remember the EU cookie law, how it was intended as a net positive but then turned into something that encourages users to not delete cookies, thereby making tracking easier
SKG is also well intended but right now there is a team of people at every large publisher trying to figure out how to turn this into an anti-consumer thing while still punishing smaller competitors.
>>715443783Because it's bullshit and it infringes on my freedoms and I'm not cattle
>>715445425How about I do both
>>715445425I remember retards saying this nearly 2 decades ago when microtransactions started becoming more of a thing. Now look where we are.
>>715435871 (OP)Imagine if lobbyists argued against anti-pollution and runoff laws by complaining about disposal costs. Oh wait a second.
>>715445525>Many of us remember the EU cookie law, how it was intended as a net positive but then turned into something that encourages users to not delete cookies, thereby making tracking easierGDPR right? I reject cookies on just about every website, the problem is that up to that point they didn't even ask the user, they just collected data without prompting, it's better to be prompted about it and have a chance to disable them, and only very few websites decide to decline service over it.
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I fucking hate these retard caps
>>715445668damn, we should have listened to you and uninvented the internet so that downloadable content was never introduced
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>>715445746>I love popups!EU serfs can't be real people. They just can't.
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>>715445446>to compel behavior.It's just to make the waste less damaging to wild life, you fucking faggot. Plus you only whine about this shit when it's against what you want meanwhile you'd jump for joy if they outlawed something like gays or whatever.
>>715445886I have uBlock and I am not on Chrome.
>>715445779no, what we should have done is make a compulsory basic iq test to filter retards like you from accessing internet
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>>715445937>corposhills are reduced to floodingI'd love to see you guys start posting guro and scat in these threads. Come on, you can go lower, you have no soul
>SKG = Renewable energy, Vaccines, gay rights and Communism
>Anti-SKG = Fossil fuels, Real men, freedom and independance, Capitalism
I know which side I'm choosing
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>>715440567>>715441598The actual issue is low quality human beings and banning + culling them would fix a lot of these problems, but apparently that violates "human rights" or some such nonsense.
>>715446021Why are you making SKG sound so based?
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>>715435871 (OP)How this thing took so long to reach 1 million despite being spammed who knows how much in most public gaming and general digital entertainment
Or how some smug streamer that people don't stop talking about almost made it collapse
>>715445753Also, that's kind of right
Doubt they will cutoff money making cow
And it wasn't even related to ubisoft but because they had rights for only a decade if I am right
>>715446016fuckers were spamming cp in the /pol/ threads. curiously the same kind of spam was seen in the epstein threads. A coincidence I'm sure
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>>715446016>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SPAM MY OFF TOPIC SPAM THREADS!
>>715445746What the law should do is to force websites to respect the Do Not Track flag. Instead, they throw up an obnoxious banner all over the page, usually forcing you to interact with it before you can do anything else. This is by design and is done to make people not clean their cookies, as keeping the cookies is the only way to not have to deal with the banner.
BTW you are tracked anyway even if you click "only necessary cookies". What kind of cookies do you think are necessary to show you the weather or some news article or whatever on a page you don't even log in on?
No, a ban on tracking itself is the way. Legislating a technical solution is not.
>>715446016The sad thing is that they are doing it for free because they think that providing basic consumer rights is gay nigger communism.
>>715446021You are fucking retarded if you think strong property rights and commerce laws isn't capitalism. You have been mind-broken and demoralized to a point that you are almost sub-human.
But don't fret, you are not going to be left behind. We will restore you to a proper dignified state where you wont have to lick boots.
>>715443783the lid often flips back while youre pouring and you end up spilling. It also makes it harder to screw the cap back on since it pulls the cap into an angle rather than making it easier to put the cap straight on.
They should just make it legal to shoot people that litter the cap. That way decent people don't suffer.
>>715446337>What kind of cookies do you think are necessary to show you the weather or some news article or whatever on a page you don't even log in onIIRC that's just guessing on the IP location unless you turn on permitting geolocation on your browser.
>>715446403>the lid often flips back while youre pouring and you end up spilling. That doesn't happen so much anymore
Europoors love their gay little humiliation ritual with the caps. It reminds them they are 'sacrificing' for 'the planet'.
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>>715446382Strong property rights means the ability to enter into contracts that the government enforces. SKG is about accepting a contract and then pretending to be stupid so you can break the agreement later. AKA theft.
>>715446453IP location isn't via cookie... The answer is tracking cookie
>>715446545Strong property rights means the ability to use your bought items, be it physical or digital without the maker being able to disable then when they feel like it, AKA planned obsolescence, AKA theft.
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Looks like Rajesh is really looking forward to his productivity bonus, maybe he'll be able to afford some fresh cow urine if he gets the thread deleted.
>>715446648What? The idea is that they don't have to use trackers for those services, they can just guess based on the IP you connect with down to the city you're in (but obviously not your physical location), there's all sorts of services for estimating in what city an IP is, even 4chan uses it for country flags. The necessary cookies are usually for shit that's needed for the site to work, like if you make an account and you set it to automatically log you in.
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>>715446919>they can just guess based on the IP you connect with down to the city you're inare hell just leave it up to the user to input where they are at. literally just enter your city , state and "wheather" and you get UT
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>schizo is having a meltdown
Many such cases.
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people acknowledging they have the right to not be fucked by corpos every once in a while seems to trigger certain people to no end
>>715446919> The necessary cookies are usually for shit that's needed for the site to work, like if you make an account and you set it to automatically log you in.Open any new site or web store or something, without logging in, accept necessary cookies and then without doing anything else, look at what cookies you actually get. At that point the ONLY cookie you should have is one that says that you picked "necessary only", because there is really nothing else that the site really needs to function. But I bet you will have several others and that they will be some kind of cryptic encoded strings.
>>715447291I wouldn't call corporate shills "people" but you do you.
>shills still can't explain why SKG is bad besides vague idpol shit and pretending that releasing server software is some herculean task instead of being the norm until 10 years ago so they have to spam gay porn instead
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>>715447379dude lmao you should show that video to a guy on grindr and tell him to do that to you bro if u have that saved to your pc u must like it.
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>>715435871 (OP)>A videogame rating board won't happen cause it is asking companies to increase their costs>DEI consulting won't happen on videogames cause it is asking companies to increase their cost>Chat moderation, monitoring and community managers won't happen cause it offers no user benefit and is costly>Censorship in regions that do not legally require it won't happen because it increases costs>Governments won't seek to fine videogame companies and use them as a scapegoat for social ills. Videogames are the biggest entertainment medium and politicians totally love and respect videogames! After all Videogame companies are job creators even when they slash all the job to push AI! THEY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE COSTS DO THEY?In case you haven't paid attention, companies have been foregoing fiduciary duties and customer benefit for over a decade. The Government doesn't respect them the same as the centuries old relationship with the motion picture industry and loves blaming games for anything from school shootings to male unemployment to women not entering stem cause of sexism.
Maybe it's time for gamers to point out Video game companies horrible behavior and use the incentive of MASSIVE FINES TO A HIGHLY PROFITABLE INDUSTRY to force the governments hand into bitch slapping these faggot companies into acting right.
Why stop here? Videogames data collection on children is already violating a ton of EU and US data privacy laws. Maybe its time we let those governments know they have giant free money fines they can use against an industry they don't respect...
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The spam isn't even original anymore. This is actually just a bot scanning for buzzwords related to SKG just so it can run its spam algorithm.
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>>715435871 (OP)always funny seeing euros cucked by shit like these caps. none of that nonsense here in the land of the free.
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I've seen better spam in /funkg/ than this
atleast the fag in /funkg/ has taste
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>>715435871 (OP)People expecting EU to not support SKG because its a "petty cause" don't know EU at all.
They LOVE a petty cause, a thing that allow em to bother the companies, something to create annoying little rules.
And they didn't had a good one for game companies (yet).
Now, now they do.
I expect at a minimum a GDPR like thing where they have to put pop ups warning that the game may be shut down
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>>715448213The cause isn't really petty. It just aims to use the EU regulator's pettiness. Strategically it's a good move.
>pop ups warning that the game may be shut downI think the end result will be way better than this. They will unironically be forced to have proper end of life patches and/or cough up server hosting stuff. I think this is the real deal.
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nothing is going to change for the better
in fact, eu regulation will make your gaming experience worse
you can count on it
>>715435871 (OP)I thought this was a pikmin thread
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Does this retard no know anyone can filter posts on 4chan?
>>715448668Is this really what SKG supporters are like? It makes me want to withdraw my vote...
>>715448646Same that's why I clicked on it
>>715448868Shhh, he might start switching things up.
>>715438071>litteringNigger behaviour
>in the woods Jew behaviour
>>715448868hush woman, let him mald he deserves it
>>715448556It is pretty possible that this might be the result.
Knowing the game industry, i expect em to come with some sort of self-regulation/preservation scheme to try to avoid it, while pretending to be the good guys all along, but you know very well they only will do it under risk of government.
>>715448868Implying skigger tourists know how to use 4chan
>>715440567>If they want to reduce plastic waste, wouldn't it be better to ban plastic bottles altogether?funnily enough they are discussing moving back to glass bottles, even going as far as banning aluminum cans too because they pollute more and has plastic liners inside them
>>715440567A bottle with a cap is way more useful than one without.
>>715445425The average consumer does not think this way and do not realize the damage they are causing. Therefore the government needs to step in to prevent the masses from doing retarded things, it was always been like that.
>>715443783they are too weak or stupid to tear it off
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>>715437283Companies have been posting on /v/ for over a decade and have a monetary incentive to make sure this movement goes nowhere. You can bet your ass that some of these posts are paid disinformation agents. Others are just (You) farmers or even falseflagging (For You's)
>>715450437>moving back to glass bottlesThat would be a power move and i would support it.
The problem is, in order for this to work at the massive scale that it needs, bottles need to be gathered and reused. And that's something only possible in a high trust society, which European nations are not any more.
What will end up happening is broken glass everywhere.
>>715445425"You see, the game didn't sold well because it lacked diversity and we didn't relied enough on the whales. i suggest you add more people of color and add more cosmetics next time around"
>>715435871 (OP)the EU was always going to fuck up the market no matter what, might as well to try put a grassroots spin on it
>>715435871 (OP)What is the significance of the bottles?
>>715450884>The problem is, in order for this to work at the massive scale that it needs, bottles need to be gathered and reusedNorthern Europe already solved this but having a deposit on cans and bottles, you basically just "rent" the can or bottle for a small fee and when you return it, get your money back.
>What will end up happening is broken glass everywhere.This is still somewhat an issue though even with the return reward, some people still do it, I imagine it's even worse in places they don't have this. However glass is still better in this case because it's not toxic and it breaks easily, which isn't the case for cans and plastic bottles. Both have plastics in them, plastic bottles with directly hurt anyone but cans will. Very often you hear about livestock dying because they ingested from and aluminum can. Wildlife can step on them and have them stuck on their legs until they die.
>>715451616>they ingested from and aluminum cansorry I had a seizure
They ingested sharp shards from aluminum cans