What's the /v/erdict?

>>715447198 (OP)
Old game good new game bad
Are you fucking new? Why do you have to ask?

>>715447198 (OP)
Both are fun and worth playing.

>>715447198 (OP)
Has there ever been a mod that removes FO2's lol randumb meme references?

>>715447198 (OP)
I want to mod Fallout New Vegas but it is such a pain in the ass. I'm just going to play vanilla again for the 100th time.

>>715447198 (OP)
3>2>4>1>76> Troonout Neo:Vagina

Never played the others.

FO2>FO3>FONV>FO1>FO76>FO4
>how is fo2 better den da moder-
If you know, you know

For me
2 > 1 > NV > 3 > 4
But 1 and NV are very close to 2

>>715447485
Sorry, you just gotta role with it.
iirc, Low luck (not 1) can control the special encounter spawn rate

I don't know why I can't get myself to get through 2 again. Something about 1 just clicks for me whereas I always drop a 2 play through after a couple days of playing.

>>715447630
>>715447642
>>715447750
If we're doing ratings, for me it would be
1 > NV > 2 > 3 > Tactics > 4

So strange how the LooneyTroons never want to just talk about their shitty shock collar rape simulator. They always need something to punch down on. Like yeah sure. I guess you faggots can sit around for the next hour pretending Fallout2 was bad, but you still can't justify playing New Vegas in 2025 unless you're a youtuber trying to profit off it.

>>715447884
1 feels like a Fallout game, 2 feels like a reddit mod for 1

>>715447884
Where you at in F2 right now? Something about F2 is that you gotta kind of not rush to beat the main quest. Which I know can be a hard mindset with how strict the time limit can be in F1.

>>715447198 (OP)
Fallout 2 is the best in the series, you faggots have no souls

Fallout 1 is the only good fallout. Even then, it has mediocre gameplay.
Nothing associated with gamebryo can be good.

>>715447997
I always lose the will to play after I join the Xi or Hubologists and cruise around in the highwayman.

>>715447198 (OP)
i enjoy both for different reasons. i prefer the depth of the classic games and wish there were more games like them

>>715448047
Yeah San Fran can suck, Just dash straight to the tanker with the FOB and Navcom parts if you want to beat it. One of the vagrant guys can lift the fuel needed for it.

>>715448063
You ever try Arcanum? It's the closest thing to Fallout 1 and 2s gameplay style. I also wish more games were like it rather than being tactical party games like Wasteland or Baldur's Gate.

>>715448121
I've beaten it before once, but it just doesn't have as much staying power with me as 1. Maybe because paradoxically there is more to do than Fallout 1's relatively straight narrative? I made a fun charisma gambler whore build last time in 2, that was kinda fun for 20 hours or so.

>>715447198 (OP)
the original fallouts were good because of the good vibes that saturated everything
the new fallouts feel cheap and soulless

>>715448240
>Maybe because paradoxically there is more to do than Fallout 1's relatively straight narrative?
I somewhat know what you mean. I do think F1 is easier to begin a replay, F2 can kind of be a slog with the beginning. I do feel F2 is the far better experience midgame though. When you get to things like Vault City or New Reno is when the game takes off where as Fallout 1 starts to suck near the Hub and Boneyard.

>>715447960
I haven't played 2 in about 2 years, but usually once I get to Vault City I end up stopping. I think 1's pacing is just a lot better and once you "get" Fallout 1 the time limit becomes a non-issue IMO. But I also haven't beat 2 in like 10 years so I really just need to force myself to do that again to formalize my opinion.

>>715448426
If you feel brave enough, you could b-line it straight to Vault City from Arroyo. Klamath and The Den can feel slow since it's baby XP where as fixing Geckos power plant is a good XP boost for a low level character. Then you can somewhat do what you want with the character.

>>715448562
Oh, a thing about going straight to Gecko/Vault City too is that you can start to get the Highwayman operational. The part needed is there and then world map travel wont suck

>>715448191
Yeah, I enjoyed Arcanum. The setting and atmosphere of Fallout 1/2 is unparalleled, though.

My favorite part of Fallout are the tribal elements.
Shame Bethesda hates that element and tries to remove it.

>>715447198 (OP)
Fallout 4 is peak, unmatched, mogs every other Fallout game easily.

Bethesda killed Fallout.
New Vegas is Bethesda Fallout.

>>715449590
Not even NMA agrees with your shit take.

>>715449545
Its the worst fallout game it isn't even a rpg is just dumbed down garbage for faggots so its no surprise you like it.

>>715447198 (OP)

>>715449530
Yeah it is weird too since they love their raiders.

>want to play fnv
>need to mod it to play
>go to primary modding site
>see this

>>715449660
it's hands down the best Fallout game, it's innovative and fresh, nails the aesthetic, has a story that isn't pants on head retarded like New Vegas, a real game game.

>>715449545
brown skinned opinion

>>715449831
Okay Emil, it's time to stop posting.

>>715449813
it is a cruel fucking joke that fo3 is actually kino with all the bug fixes and enhancements from TTW, but TTW and the whole FNV modding scene is run by a group of literally autistic furry degens who shove their fetishes and spergery into every single thing they make

truly a monkey's paw

>>715449879
>>715449925
I accept your concession, trannys.

>>715449657
Why should I care about normalfag opinions?

Sonora and Dayglow are the peak of Fallout, unironically. Russian modders should have control of the franchise.

>>715450231
I'm about to play it for the first time. I hope you faggots aren't meme-ing since I love Fallout 1 and 2 and have replayed them 6+ times.

>>715447198 (OP)
I only played 1 and 76, makes the choice pretty easy

>>715450231
How did Russians dominate the og Fallout modding space? Literally every major overhaul mod is Russian made

>>715450231
Which one should I play first? Sonora or Nevada?

>>715450538
one guy from siberia has made ~%80 of OG fallout total conversion mods by himself

>>715450538
From what I know Fallout 1 and 2 were extremely popular in slavland. Even eclipsing 3 and NV. My guess is that having 90s computers and no consoles bred them a different kind of gamer.

>>715450231
The Virgin Western Troonout
The Chad Eastern Fallout

>>715447198 (OP)
Imma be real chief. I thought 2 was ok. Bethesda's games are dogshit tho.

>>715450616
Yeah I know, I've been watching that Russian channel that talks about these mods since it seems it's the only Fallout channel which focuses on the mods for the og games

>>715450664
FO1 is a smaller game, but it has the best plot in the franchise by a longshot

>>715447931
>Calls niggas troons
>Spazzes out at mild criticism of a videogame
anon, I got news for you

>>715450538
>>715450653
They've really not had a reason to move on. FO3 was a buggy mess that never really got to the point of being playable on modern hardware. FNV was an even buggier mess that only got fixed when a bunch of insane chronically online redditors got involved in it, and Eastern Europe/Russia by and large despises that shit.

>>715450767
It kind of wins by default because it's the only one with a structured main quest. 2 and NV expect you to play with the factions and fuck off to do side quests And 3 and 4 are purely about exploration. F1 almost feels more like an ImSim game that's top down.

>>715447198 (OP)
The 2D games are actual RPGs where your stats matter
The 3D games are FPS games posing as RPGs. Shitty open world games with quest markers and fast travel for drooling retards who play COD
>>715450231
Also true. Sonora is fallout fully realized without all the budget/time issues that plague 1 and 2.

>>715451640
>actual RPGs where your stats matter
>Sonora is fallout fully realized without all the budget/time issues that plague 1 and 2.
I was about to poke fun at the RPG stats thing until you brought up the budget because it explains everything about why 1 and 2 are fucking wonky with the balancing of the stats. 1 has straight up broken skills, 2 tried somewhat to fix it but not hard enough, First Aid and Doctor both existing is silly and Traps is useless.

Fallout 2 > Fallout 1 > Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 4 = Fallout Tactics (idk which one is worse) > Fallout 3 > Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
with mods being
Sonora > Nevada > 1.5 Resurrection > Olympus 2207, but it's kinda unfair since all of them do a different take on Fallout
> most cohesive and refined attempt to capture the idea of Fallout's take on post-apocalypse
> Fallout 0 in a universe where the series died in 2004, never to return
> Fallout 1 if it was released by an obscure Czech studio and became a cult classic
> a post-apocalyptic CRPG if it followed how Europeans see post-apocalypse instead of Americans
>>715450556
I'd say Nevada first because it's a very peculiar experience (imagine a Fallout game where supermutants don't exist yet, Gecko is just lifeless ruins of an NPP because ghouls haven't migrated there so far and Vegas is straight up Las Vegas) and there's A LOT of things in Nevada to the point devs actually cut some things in newer updates. On the other hand, Sonora is just perfect with what it does, but is considerably leaner around the curves. If you only have time to play exactly one game, do Sonora, but if you like the classics, I'd rather play all four of the mods just for the perspectives they offer.

>>715450653
People upgraded their PCs but didn't really buy consoles. Because of this people are unsurprisingly more into genres that dominated the PC market: RPG, RTS, FPS and so on, and generally more into "mature and gritty" games.
If you'd get a console then it would most likely go NES>Sega Genesis>PS1>PS2>Xbox360>PS4 Not a lot of bing bing wahoo and nobody ever grew up playing JRPGs

What kind of character should I do for Sonora? My last Fallout 2 character was a one hander small guns combat build. Should I stick with that or shake it up?

>>715447198 (OP)
Fallout 1 and 2 are the only games i accept as fallout.

>>715447198 (OP)
Both are totally different games and if you like the one and dislike the other, thats totally fine

>>715453398
But anon we have to prove the superiority of one over the other and how the ones I like is a sign of my 10 INT.

>>715447198 (OP)
You mean Isometric vs FPS, but yeah we all knew you were retarded from the beginning.
Fallout 1 > 2 > Tactics > BoS > NV > homeless people > Fallout 3 > 4 > London

>>715453568
>BoS that high
fucking lol

>>715452612
Both Nevada and Sonora have absolutely no companions, so you gotta work with that. I'd stick with both of them but also throw in big guns or energy weapons or throwing for good measure.

>>715454910
>have absolutely no companions
Aw man really? One of the highlights of F2 is assembing the gang. I guess at least I wont get SMG'd in the back.

>>715452612
I also played a pistolero my first playthrough, would recommend. A lot of the utility skills have way more use in Sonora also. You'll find a lot of injured people to use medicial skills, science gives you a lot of cool flavor text on pre-war stuff, and there's a lot of gambling to be done
>>715454910
Sonora has a few companions
Also keep on mind that the weapons skills were changed so small guns is one handed and big guns in 2 handed

>>715455461
>You'll find a lot of injured people to use medicial skills, science gives you a lot of cool flavor text on pre-war stuff, and there's a lot of gambling to be done
That's cool. Exactly what Fallout would need. I'm guessing traps still sucks though.

>>715454897
Please go on and tell me your opinion of a game you never played.

>>715455391
Yeah, it's a deliberate decision by the devs so that you're "alone on the Wastes" or something. One of the only decisions I don't really respect. There are mods to add another companion, but they're in Russian.
>>715455461
I mean, they added another guy and another guy postgame, in Sonora, but that's not exactly a big one. The others are temporary companions.

>>715455576
No, because I haven't played it. Only one I'm missing.

>>715455697
I prefer flying solo anyways. The only companions I liked were the ones in resurrection
And keeping richard pryor around to see him flail around in Nevada

>>715450538
>russian
the maker and sole lead aint a vatnik you zigger. He is a native siberian. one of many ethnics locked inside that zombie "empire"

>>715455920
If you ever get around to playing it just know that it doesn't take itself seriously. It is more focused on "fun" and shooting.

>>715455576
As someone who's actually finished it (even that secret Vault Dweller fight in the arena), barring a game called Brotherhood of Steel having exactly one Brotherhood of Steel guy who dies horribly, the game is just painfully 5/10. It's like Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance but worse. I'd say it gets beaten by both Fallout 4 and homeless people.

>>715447750
I'm a 2>NV>1 guy myself. I replayed 3 with Tale of Two Wastelands recently and it's okay, but any time it made me have to pay attention to the plot my eyes glazed over, it's really poorly written.

>>715456661
I mentioned this in another thread but I think a problem Fallout 3 has is that the writing doesn't convey well enough when something is a joke and when it's something you're suppose to take seriously. The dumbshit in Fallout 2 (and extension 1 and NV) you can tell isn't meant to be canon. But Fallout 3 has Mothership Zeta. It's a game where you distance yourself as much as possible from NPCs so you can soak up the atmosphere of exploring metro tunnels.

>>715456462
Never cared for Dark Alliance and I liked Fallout so it was just a better game. Tony Jay was also absolutely amazing. Him as the antagonist made the game feel like you were chasing after Lieutenant from Fallout 1.
The only reason I see to play Fallout 4 is for the shooting, but there are much better games for that like Insurgency.

>>715456976
I'm fine with Zeta conceptually; I know many people aren't, but I see it as just an overly long random encounter made into a DLC. The issue with that one is its level design is complete ass.

Here's some trvkes /v/ is too afraid to talk about

>FO2 doesn't have that many pop culture references, more than it should but not nearly enough to ruin immersion
>FO3 is a good game with a great open world to explore with a serviceable story despite some issues with worldbuilding (what do they eat etc)
>FO4 is a good game with a great open world to explore with a terrible main story and good side quests
>the gun mod system in FO4 is a incredible piece of game design, it affects the moment to moment gameplay while providing motivation to explore the world
>while FNV is not overrated and would have been a masterpiece if it ran on a good engine, the DLCs average at mid, with OWB being fucking dogshit for many reasons and HH being on par with the base game
>FO1 has the best opening hours in the RPG genre, hooks you from the start with a original world and premise and makes you want to know more

>>715457037
> Tony Jay was also absolutely amazing. Him as the antagonist made the game feel like you were chasing after Lieutenant from Fallout 1.
> The only reason I see to play Fallout 4 is for the shooting, but there are much better games for that like Insurgency.
Alright, i can see your point now.

>>715457450
Finally an anon that has the correct opinions.

>>715447884
it’s because 2’s endgame areas are lousy compared to the first half of the game, so the longer length hurts 2 more.

FO1>FO4 (modded)>FO:NV>FO2>FO3>FO4 (vanilla)

I don't care about RPGs. Fallout 1 is barely a RPG. It's awesome because it's not a RPG. It's an adventure game.
I couldn't care less about meme playthroughs like 1INT or how you could whore out characters in FO2. I couldn't care less that Jet is a post-war drug or that NV NPCs grow their food. People who use terms like "canon" repulse me.
I care about gameplay, exploration and atmosphere more than writing. I don't care about your take that Fallout should be post-post-apocalyptic and how society reconstructs itself.
Fallout 4 has fantastic level design, exploration freedom and environmental storytelling. Mods fix atmosphere and gameplay into excellence.
I don't care about Fallout. I don't respect Fallout. I care about STALKER, a vastly superior game, the only reason I play Fallout games is to scratch the STALKER itch. I want to kill bandits and steal their loot and scavenge to survive in a gritty miserable apocalyptic scenario.

>>715457397
That's part of how I feel. Old World Blues at least lets you know off the bat that it's the funny DLC compared to the rest but Zeta doesn't stand out enough since the rest of the game has a similar confusing tone. So between the questionable canonicity and the general shitty gameplay it just blows. Special encounters are meant to be a real quick joke that you chuckle at for a second then go on about with the rest of the game.

>>715457920
Fallout 1 is an apex RPG. Are you one of those morons that equate RPG with dialogue choices?

>>715457920
>I don't care about RPGs. Fallout 1 is barely a RPG. It's awesome because it's not a RPG. It's an adventure game.
Zased
>I care about gameplay, exploration and atmosphere more than writing
But FO1's gameplay sucks THOUGH. Combat is just boring DPS races where positioning doesn't matter aside from trying to cause friendly fire

>>715457920
This post makes no sense
>Fallout 1 is barely a RPG. It's awesome because it's not a RPG. It's an adventure game.
>I care about gameplay, exploration and atmosphere more than writing.

>>715457596
The intro is also fucking great. It gets me hyped up.
>https://youtu.be/uklIIIpPBbE?si=jcIW8yf9YvV79D4C
You see it, but do you agree with it?

>>715458683
Lmao, what the fuck is this tone? Seeing Fallout 1/2 footage spliced up with this dude bro rock music is very surreal.

>>715459038
>dude bro rock music
If your argument was that you are retarded then I agree with you.

>>715458102
The combat is just tolerable. But there's more to gameplay than combat. It's "how do I progress through this world?", stuff like having to find and use progression tools like a rope to rappel down a vault dungeon, this kind of immersive interaction lacking in the other games, that makes the world more interesting to me. Problem solving is the essence of adventure games. Otherwise atmosphere carries it hard and the lack of bloat makes it feel so tight I can overlook some flaws. It's better than the sum of its parts. The world manages to feel dark, unknown and dangerous.

>>715458207
For me adventure is exploring the unknown. The world has to feel harsh, mysterious and like everything is an obstacle. For me the story in Fallout is the journey of how my guy goes from A to B and how events unfold, how I ran out of ammo and managed to kill the last guy with a grenade with 1HP left, that's a good story. Not the story of the master and the mutants or the water chip or whatever other faction nonsense, that's just the background noise pretext for my story. My gameplay is the only writing that matters. But it's all you retards ever obsess and jerk off about, muh lore muh canon muh branching dialogues and muh what do they eat boring bullshit and tired youtuber talking points recycled every day for 20 fucking years.

>>715458090
It's what the most vocal members of the Fallout community at large equates with RPG. Again, I don't care about RPGs, so I don't care about how RPG fans choose to define RPG in the first place.
How do you view FO1 as an apex RPG and by what RPG definition? Just curious because even RPG Fallout fans rarely praise it as such.

>>715458683
Yeah, it's a funny juxtaposition of these 80s sci-fi show intros with that bangin' shit.
> You see it, but do you agree with it?
I sorta agree, I can live with that. Brotherhood of Steel had enough interesting things for me to continue playing through it till the end, so maybe there is something to it, I guess.

>>715447198 (OP)
Honestly both of them have their appeals. I really really like the older one's gameplay and the way you explore the world but I also had a ton of fun with the 3D ones, though I still need to try 4 someday.

I'll just say both are worthy of existing to piss off the us vs them faggots.

>>715447485
It's really not that big of a deal. I'm so glad I wasn't born with the mental disability that forces me to hyper focus on stuff like this

>>715460954
I also like that it is straight forward with you that it isn't about civilization or war. It's just trying to grab your attention and make you feel the intensity. Feel the heat.
And then of course the boobs are also an important factor.

>>715460817
>stuff like having to find and use progression tools like a rope to rappel down a vault dungeon
This was rather lacking in the game overall, THOUGH. Generally, the sense of progression through the world felt rather straightforward and uninspired, even when you bar the direct handholding the game offers from location to location. Felt especially lacking due to being from as late as 1997; at this point, there were plenty of other adventure games or point and click titles to take from.

>>715457450
truth'd

I didn't like how lethal the combat in fallout 1 was and how end game ends up making the problem even worse by giving every other super mutant a fucking chain gun. I felt like 2 was much better in that regard.

>>715462694
I'm surprised to hear this. Seems like /v/ tends to dislike F2s combat more. Though yeah in F2 I do recall getting crit-deathed less, doesn't mean it didn't happen though and Enclave soldiers will always rape you. I think its from the lack of burst weapons from the enemies you encounter.

>>715463425
Really? I thought it was agreed that 2 just had better gameplay

The best part of classic fallout is being able to go for the eyes and blind opponents, I wish that was in the 3D games, it made unarmed combat much more fun.

>>715463607
I recall its something along the lines of F2 shoving more enemies in your face in general. This never bothered me too much as I had Sulik to help mop up but I could see it being a problem for solo players.

>>715463670
Something I love about Classic Fallout are the death animations from said eyeball crits. Watching a man lose half his torso is always satisfying. Ragdolling Gamebryo models can never compare.

>>715447198 (OP)
Good: f1, f2, fnv, sonora
Shit: everything else
There are more good 2d fallouts, so 2d.

>>715447198 (OP)
New Vegas is the best because it combines Bethesda open world with Black Isle roleplaying.

Is Olympus good?

>>715465292
My least favorite major TCM, haven't finished it. final release is pretty buggy, too much low stakes combat, and some boring fetch quests
The world is cool though. It isn't set in fallout which makes it unique
You choose a race instead of a gender which has some minor effects which is also cool

>>715465630
>It isn't set in fallout which makes it unique
Curious as to why not. It's not like Fallouts lore hasn't been completely obliterated. I did recall seeing them trying to do a sequel though so maybe IP rights?

>>715464761
Troon Vegays is shit Chadout 3 is far superior to that of Shit Vegas

>>715467182
Did you know that you can like multiple things without having to define yourself by it and without putting yourself in opposition of one thing?

>>715467182
I am sick of seeing these fucking chad basedjak meme images. If I see one more I might write a manifesto about why I had to kill the nearest kindergarden due to little lamplight.

>>715447485
As if you would even recognize that they're references.

>>715470664
I recognize this one pretty easily but the complain always reminds me of Baldur's Gate 1 and how that game is full of random one off meme references that I can tell are references but I have no fucking idea what they're referencing. Never bothered me too much though.