Thread 715481531

>Dune is about knife fights and CQC in the future
>"What if we made PvP about aircombat"

What were they thinking?

>lol it's the future! cool sci-fi tech! xDD
Basically brainlets with zero respect to the source material.

>>715481668
>brainlets
Browns?

In the Dune Universe, Holtzman shields make you perfectly immune to all forms of damage and have no charge that can depleted. Wouldn't make for thrilling gameplay if that were the case in game.

>>715482103
>would make for thrilling gameplay
>that means you must get helicopter combat forever

Guys, we need to block india from the internet

Looking back, DUNC was not as good as Lynch Dune, even with all the studio meddling.
>But the TV series is better!!!
Shut the FRICK up, n'wah.

This game is infinitely inferior to Conan Exiles and yet it killed Conan so now I have no fun base raiding game to play anymore
>inb4 ark
That shit has always sucked, no amount of turrets or base defenses mean anything to prevent being offline'd

>>715482190
I've gone to the DD and collected spice and plastinium and haven't done any Helicopter combat in the entire game.

>>715481531 (OP)
>Ghost in the Shell PS1
>Clone Wars PS2
this happens with seeming regularity, apparently

>>715482221
People who don't like the Denis Villeneuve Dune films have low movie IQ.

>>715482441
Part 1 was good but Part 2 completely removed all agency from Paul so Channi could be a stronk independent Naib who dont need no religion

They butchered the characters

>>715482601
Part 2 is a far better movie, imo. Just fast forward through all Channi scenes so you don't get fatigued.

>>715482601
Forget movie IQ, your post reads like someone who has a below average regular IQ.

>>715482441
Its a good movie (the first one) but it's just not as good.

Same with Blade Runner 2049. There's just pacing or editing problems that don't make the films as good as the originals.

>>715482772
>>715482763
It was an enjoyable watch, just a fucking terrible adaption because Villeneuve couldn't resist making his girl power shit.

>>715482817
the biggest problem with 2049 is the hero gun prop. it's lame and gosling looks lame slinging it.

>>715482817
There is nothing wrong with the pacing. People who complain about that just have low movie IQ. Reminds me of my 7 year old niece. When she's watching a film and there isn't someone dancing, singing, or it isn't an action scene, then she goes "why isn't anything happening?"

>>715482946
>girl powered shit
It was partially funded by certain parties. If you look deeper, they sort of forced his hand into including it.
The usual suspects btw.

>>715483040
I don't feel like looking deeper into it. Was it jews?

>>715483129
Of course.
Also a strange push to normalize Zendaya as attractive, which she clearly isn't. She looks nasty in the movie.

>>715481531 (OP)
Um anon, your weirding modules?

>>715482103
>all forms
Except lasers right? Doesn't that cause a nuclear reaction or something?

>>715482946
>girl power
The original book has an all female group that controls the entire universe and can control anyone at whim with their voice.

>>715482946
>adaption
double digit iq confirmed

>>715483264
Coincidence

>>715483264
Yeah I know you fucking moron, it was cool, and the people who made it for some reason didn't think that was good enough and instead decided to make female Fremen characters girl bosses. It worked in the book because the bene gesserit use their feminine traits to their advantage and acknowledge their weaknesses that they lack but men have. In the movie, it was typical girlboss shit and the bene gesserit were also fucked up with bad writing like the big plot whole of reverend mother's spying on the Fremen for years in the southern hemisphere.

>>715483509
Low movie IQ.

>>715482221
>Filmpeasant seething at seriesgods
Dune cannot be made into a movie

>>715483262
Yes, which is why people don't use lasers unless that absolute mad lads.

>>715483751
You know its funny I read the origanl six books when i was 16 and 17. I even thought when reading the first book
>you couldn't make a movie out of this
Alia was my first literary love. I could have fixed her.

>>715482817
hot take: the original Blade Runner has atrocious pacing, made worse by the fact that the sets all look the same. 2049 is superior from a storyboarding standpoint because new beats in the story come with visually unique settings.

>>715483751
I think Jodorowski could have done it.

i still think his storyboard deserves an animated adaptation.

>>715482221
I couldn't take my eyeballs off Lynch Dune. It's suprisingly good for how much of a mess it is.

>>715483970
>Send one (uno) ((ichi)) drone with a laser
>Shoot once
>Win
That might be more retarded than MUH PERFECT SHIELDS

>>715485362
Well usually you want whatever the dude is standing next to, so you dont want it nuked.
Also I think nuking gets you put on a naughty list. The spacer guild cuts your planet off from space travel. I might be thinking of a different sci-fi series on that one though.

>>715485647
Correct, nuking gets you stranded and the guild will refuse to do business with you after that. Paul succeeded because he literally had control of the Spice and threatened to destroy it.

>>715486095
>>715485647
He also didn't directly nuke them. He just destroyed the small mountains shielding them from the storm. So with that and his spice monopoly, that's why people begrudgingly overlooked it.

>>715485362
both autonomous machines and the use of nuclear detonations in war are haram in Dune. the Landsraad political structure is designed to encourage 95% of the galaxy to turn on any 5% that breaks the rules, and if you break the rules you are also no longer allowed to travel through space via the spacing guild's ships. Any house that tries to pull off intentional suicide nukes gets blacklisted and genocided.

>>715486730
>Bring your guys in a large scale invasion
>Have one of your guys Allah Akbar and blame it on them and just say you were winning
GGEZ

>>715488337
why hasn't any nuclear nation done that in real life?
india could nuke itself and then blame pakistan. But they aren't willing to risk the security of the entire world for some questionable victory and are mostly content with the status quo.

>>715489086
>why hasn't any nuclear nation done that in real life?
It's very difficult to utilise anything above a man-portable TNW without leaving obvious breadcrumbs, and the procurement of those is extremely unpopular partly for exactly that potentiality.

>>715489086
>what is 9/11

>>715490185
Even back then people were calling bullshit but the powers that be had control over media. If it happened today it wouldn’t have worked.

>>715490498
>if it happened today it wouldn't have worked
Man I hope you're right, because they'll try again.

>>715482817
>>715484350
2049 was going great until Deckard gets captured. then it rushes so fast to the end credits it feels like 30-60min was cut because the director/producer/execs realized they were past the 3 hour mark

>>715481531 (OP)
>Can't rapidly thurst or swing a weapon at an enemy because the shield would make it bounce off
>Have to slowly glide the weapon into the enemy's body past the shield so it doesn't registed the movements of a foreign object
Why don't humans in dune just wear armor? Literal medieval chainmail. The fuck are you gonna do to it if you aren't allowed to apply enough force to stab through it or kill the wearer with kinetic impact?

>>715491376
all the cool 60s sci-fi stories had future people be naked or nearly naked at all times.

>>715491869
But why althoughwhatsoeverbeit?

>>715491914
suits are, like, such a drag, man.

dune is actually about big ship battles when shit matters. the sword battles are just little skirmishes.

>>715489086
>why hasn't any nuclear nation done that in real life
Because the only nuclear country to ever be in a real war is Russia in Ukraine and for that strat to work both countries would have to have nukes. If Ukraine has nukes I would 100% believe they would nuke themselves to get NATO to help out

>>715482817
>Same with Blade Runner 2049.
Suck my ass

>>715486730
>the Landsraad political structure is designed to encourage 95% of the galaxy to turn on any 5% that breaks the rules
you only need 10% of a population to start changing a global concensus or start a sucessful revolution/coup. there is no way something like a Landsraad political structure could survive much less form. it's plain stupid

>>715485362
Duncan did that in the book.
>>715482103
Shields attract worms.

>>715492384
that's retarded. Once country A nukes itself and blames country B, neither country has any reason not to escalate to a nuclear exchange.

>>715492775
Obviously it would only ever be used from a losing position anon. That's why I believe if Ukraine had the option they would do it. They are already sending their men in mass to die for nothing anyways

>>715492775
You overestimate the average intelligence of slavs.

Can I play Dune Awakening without watching any of the movies?

I'm open minded and enjoyed New World and Black Desert Online. I'll try MMO's that do something different.

>>715482441
He's a baguette sucking hack who needs to get over his fetish for drab brutalist architecture. It's fucking ugly and makes all of his stupid sci-fi movies look the same.

>>715492946
it's not really an MMO. it's survival crafting using the Conan Exiles engine.

>>715489086
what happens when no one falls for it?

what happens if everyone believes it but still decide to be cynically pragmatic?

>>715492384
Funny how whenever the US skullfucks somebody it stops counting as a real war to some people

>>715492946
Yeah.
But you need to understand that its a survival game. You will suffer and it will be brutal as you learn. Eventually you'll need to team up other people or you're going to hit a roadblock. Maybe with the guys on /vg/. Go as far as you can alone first so you can actually carry your weight.

>>715492879
depopulating new khazaria is entirely intentional

>>715492879
you're saying a country WITH nuclear weapons, LOSING a war, would blow ITSELF up first?
is this the (mental) power of ziggers?

>>715492946
Just read the novels, they're really good

>>715493121
Based and Truthpilled.
I wish it wasn't true. It's the only rational explanation for how both sides are fighting.

>>715493178
Did you know that Dune was rejected by most publishers for being boring and unreadable?

>>715493170
it's the plot of Ace Combat Zero these anons are yanking your chain

>>715493270
how did it become the most influential sci-fi series of all time, then?

>>715493361
Because it's great.
Publishers are retarded. Picture the average publisher agent in your mind. Short hair. Lesbian. Woman. Etc.
Now ask them to read Dune over whatever they like.

Our society is controlled by losers who thrive on slop.

>>715493279
Fuck you

>>715493361
What the other guy said but times it by 20, you cannot underestimate how retarded the investor class that controls media is.

>>715493361
Ignore this faggot >>715493539 he has no idea about publishing. The answer is that it still is boring and unreadable but publishers underestimated just how willing nerds are to read that kind of crap. Well-crafted, decently paced stories hold no interest for them compared to techno-blather and vacuous lore dumps.

>>715494419
Seething.

>>715492038
How did this IP become so popular? It's silly.

>>715495119
people were allowed to genuinely enjoy things back then, none of this social media groupthink induced anxiety over "silly" or "cringe"

>>715495242
But nobody told me Dune is silly and cringe. Everyone tells me Dune is the tits and the shit and I'm a niggerfaggotranny if I say otherwise. It's me who thinks the shields are stupid. It's me who thinks the CQC combat culture is stupid. It's me who thinks fremen women, children, and elderly being OH SO HARDCORE FROM LIVING ON THIS AWFUL PLANET that they can obliterate Sardaukar because "Oh they grew lazy and complacent from being the dominant force for so long" is stupid. It's me who thinks breaking the pace of the narrative to make your reader go to the dictionary at the end of the book because you thought that replacing [thing] with [thing but in a sandnigger language] made your setting rich and deep is stupid. I'm the cringe and silly to everyone, normalfags and this place included. I'm the only person I know who thinks Dune is bad. I couldn't be any further from social media induced peer pressure even no matter how hard I'd try.

>>715481531 (OP)
Dune has always had this problem going way back to that Dune RTS that was entirely about guns and tanks and the David Lynch movie that had magic not-laser guns for no reason. The way shields work in the books is so fucking autistic that it basically precludes anything but knife fights and karate. You could maybe have a Dune fighting game, third person action, or beat-em-up, but your opportunities for making fun gameplay are severely constrained. Like how are you going to differentiate enemies? There's knife guy, knife guy but better, guy who shoots slow ass poison darts...........and that's it. Maybe the weird catmen from books 5-6. A faithful Dune adaptation is uniquely not suited to video games.

>>715490185
You aren't one of those "the towers were destroyed by mini nukes" schizos are you?

>>715483005
Dune 1 did have a serious pacing issue right in the middle. The part in the dust storm where they commandeer the flyer drags on and on and on. It was actually so badly paced relative to the rest of the film I was scratching my head.

>>715496750
Just make a porn game. Dune was the author's barely disguised fetish anyway.

>>715496926
No.
It's obvious they were destroyed or allowed to be destroyed intentionally, along with building 7. Too many coincidences.
But if you're already tossing out the idea because of "mini nukes", a conspiracy theory I've never even heard of, then there is no point in even discussing it.

>>715496175
>I Don't Like Thing
cool, man.

>>715490498
The internet separates people into little information bubbles making them even easier to fool and control.

>>715497437
>it's the Internet and not the users that do this
No, it's people, they do it to themselves and the vast majority of people deserve to be enslaved for their stupidity and the betterment of mankind as a whole.

But does the slow blade penetrate the shield tho?

>>715497319
You're not a particularly clever fella, are you?

>>715497090
Like I said, low movie IQ. You're like a 7 year old kid complaining about nothing happening when there isn't someone dancing, singing, or action.

>>715498227
>just check the glossary at the end bro
>never mind that it's a third of the total books pages
I'm reading a fiction book, not researching the Jews and their lies.

>Don't worry Anon, PvP is totally optional
Fuck outta here

>>715498469
I've never read the books. Just going on the movie merets.

>>715498819
Lol, lmao even
Retarded clown

>>715496750
What about this guy

>>715498964
You're the one who is acting like a child complaining "nothing is happening".

>>715496750
What about this guy too

>>715496750
What about this dude

>>715496750
These guys are pretty cool

>>715496750
There are also entire factions and groups that dont use sheilds, not everyone is an Atreides lineman.

>>715486730
>Haram
So are assassinations but we know of hunter-seeker drones and assassinations.

>you can't marry your mom
Shit Dune game.

But does it have chairdogs?

>>715483509
You didnt read the book

>>715482221
Lynchian Dune had the huge benefit of telling the same story in 2.5 hours that took Villanueva 6 hours.
Very little felt omitted except that the sand people trust Dale Cooper instantly from one scene to the next.

>>715496175
You had to consult the dictionary?
You can't do context clues?
You're right, anon, I think it is you who has the problem here.
Stay mad, dimwit

>>715496750
>Dune has always had this problem going way back to that Dune RTS that was entirely about guns and tanks
Yeah cause the Westwood RTS' were great and were the innovators of the RTS.

>>715491376
monomolecular knives and poison darts that say "lol" to armor of any kind

Huge fan of how the introduction of shields and re adoption of melee as the main way to kill has all the houses putting on airs and fluffing about like it's noble and way of knights from back in the day but thanks to how shields work it's just messy wrestling until your opponent is too tired to stop you from slowly killing them.

>>715482221
DUNC is dogshit
Lynch's Dune is a mess of a movie but its soulful as shit

>>715482225
I hate the Meta in Ark pvp. Stegosaurus and flyers. Why not somehow balance the game to where the T-rex is the shit? Idk, to me it's like you buy a Call of Duty game and the AK47 sucks, the M16 sucks, the TAR21 sucks, the Famas sucks, and the META gun is a water gun. A literal water gun. That's what it feels like when the Stegosaurus is the meta in a game with the T-Rex and the Spinosaurus and what not. None of the cool shit matters at all in PVP. I feel Ark has a lot of potential, but it would require completely rethinking the role of the dinos from the ground up (flyers are only scouts, stegos aren't the be all end all raiding dino, T-Rex is somehow useful, etc). This image is what Ark should actually be like.

>>715500509
Low movie IQ

>>715498997
>>715499043
>>715499128
>>715499170
>>715499230
None of this shit was in the books and half of it doesn't make any sense with shields. Even though the Sardaukar were a major part of the first book, their equipment was not described at all.

>>715496750
Big part of dune was to not focus on the technology because frank herbert wanted to focus on the society and people.

>>715498127
Coffin is silly and cringe.

>>715496750
>>715481531 (OP)
The thing is, while the combat in Dune universe is about knives and shields, the Arrakis itself has unique environment that precludes the use of shields outside of certain safe zones. Harkonnen used artillery, and even though it was for a very specific purpose, they could've used it against Fremen too, they just didn't let Glossu Rabban have it because fuck that guy. Fremen themselves were adept in using projectile weapons, and Atreides actually supplied them with missile launchers. So Dune RTS weren't as canon-breaking as you think.

>>715503593
It wasn't silly during the 2nd episode, and neither was it cringe.

>>715500163
>MUH MONOMOLE
Have you ever tried cutting a sheet of steel with an obsidian knife? Just because it's sharp doesn't mean it doesn't need significant force applied to it in order to penetrate. Especially in the case of darts. I still don't get how come a normal weapon swing is too fast but a PROJECTILE isn't.

>>715499776
>You had to consult the dictionary?
>You can't do context clues?
>You're right, anon, I think it is you who has the problem here.
>Stay mad, dimwit

>>715482103
Except you can't use shields on dune.

Shields do work on Arrakis, they just incite the worms into a blood frenzy, right?

>>715497817
The shield doesn't stop slow moving objects. Only fast things like bullets or thrown weapons.

>>715507502
yes, so within the area protected by the shield wall (where Arrakeen is and where the worms can't reach) they're perfectly safe to use

>>715507502
Exactly. They were still used in the places inaccessible to worms, palace in Arrakeen was protected by a shield.

>>715507665
>>715497817
There are some projectile weapons that can penetrate shields (air guns firing poisoned darts), but they are short ranged and also don't penetrate shields reliably - their muzzle velocity is barely under the shield's limit, so if target runs towards you, then the relative speed will exceed the threshold and projectile will be deflected.

>>715507502
the sandstorms also mess up shields

>>715485362
Every time there's a dune thread there's some retard wheeling out this bullshit like he's cracked the fucking enigma code. I've had like a dozen conversations on this site explaining why that shit is accounted for in lore. It's futile. The heat death of the universe will come around and 85 IQ fuckers will still be saying "what if they shoot the shield with the laser on purpose!" instead of just googling to see whether something so obvious had already been explained half a million times.

>>715507973
I don't recall them messing up shields, but they mess up everything, certain storms have wind speeds so fast they basically act like sandblasting chambers.

>Game is so shit thread turns into talking about the lore/movies
That pretty mcuh sums it up, I no lifed the game for a couple days and got to its version of "end game" but fuck, Funcom is Funcom and their post release has been atrocious. Even today they've fucked their construction competition by putting FOMO crap in it.

I just like the concept of a fat sociopathic glutton hedonist raping an entire planet and its people in as many ways as he could think of.

>>715508020
Yeah, but why didn't they flew eagles to Mount Doom?

>>715482221
>Looking back
code for
>it became popular so now I have to pretend I didn't like it post hoc despite having a great time with it initially just like everyone else

>>715508071
i'm not interested in endgame pvp but played enough to go through the story quests. imagine my surprise when the story isn't even close to finished and just abruptly stops at a random point, bravo funcom. now i get to babysit my base so i don't lose all my shit until they add more if i don't want to start all over then.

>>715481531 (OP)
Same problem in WoW

>>715508126
Eagle posters are trolling 100% of the time. Dune las shield posters are often genuinely convinced they've broken the setting.

>>715508067
its a major part of the climax, they blast open a mountain range to let a giant sandstorm in to hit the city and knock out the shields around the palace and the emperor's ship

>>715492775
The Belka strat. I'm all for it.

>>715508020
Okay, but can you tell us why it purportedly wouldn't work?

>>715508020
>>715485362
That's exactly what Paul did, set up a laser trap to cause a nuclear reaction. And invaders set up laser-shield traps in space around some planet in another book, and whenever a spaceship came close, it caused a nuclear reaction.

>>715508183
Build in the Rift, no storms down there so no power needed

>>715508020
Except its 100% accurate and a massive flaw in the entire setting. Any laser and any shield = nuke. Its LITERALLY that simple and there is no refuting it.

>>715508623
It would work, but it's mostly completely useless for the type of warfare usually waged by Great Houses among each other. It's the same reason why no one is using dirty bombs IRL.

>>715508832
didn't Paul literally just use the family atomics? or was that a different incident i'm forgetting?

>>715508842
aren't unshielded bases vulnerable to other players regardless?

>>715508982
>It would work
I rest my case.

>>715509026
no, he set up a trap against Emperor's troops.

>>715509132
Well duh, the books themselves explicitly say it would work. The question is whether you are prepared to deal with consequences.

>>715496175
you can dislike anything you dislike anon
stop running by others your tastes, stop comparing yourself
retard

>>715508889
no, its not certain what will happen if both collide
the exact quote is
>A lasgun-shield explosion was a dangerous variable, could be more powerful than atomics, could kill only the gunner and his shielded target.

>>715509531
This is gonna blow your mind but cluster explosives IRL have the same issue. This is why you don't just do one but multiple bombs.

>>715509775
The point is not that it's going to work or not. The point is that the typical warfare in Dune up to the first book did not call for such weapons.

>>715509216
Right, he lured Sardaukar into the storm knowing that the lasgun-shield interactions could cause chaos. It wasn’t a clean atomics drop, it was more like using the environment and known physics as a trap. Classic Atreides move, turning a forbidden tech scenario into plausible deniability through indirect means.

>>715510684
This is the point that get lost to a lot of people. Warfare in dune is not all out chaos where everything goes till fremen and paul made it so. That is one of the major themes going all throughout first book.

>>715511187
>Oh, did you just step on my carefully set-up booby trap that caused a nuclear explosion? Too bad!
>No, it doesn't violate the anti-nuclear weapons treaty. It's clear one of YOUR men has tripped over this tripwire that was hooked to the laser gun and a shield. Meaning you have caused the nuclear reaction
And nobody else has done it before. Paul truly was Kwisatz Haderach.

>>715497130
There already is one.

>>715511369
Well yeah, everyone had to play by the rules for their own safety, Paul had found a way to throw the rulebook out the window.