Thread 715486576

What do you blame for the lack of soul in a lot of modern games?

games made by people who don't like video games for people who don't like video games

>>715486576 (OP)
Casuals, normalfags and shareholders hyper-focusing on GWAFICKS to the point where every game looks like a smudged, greasy photograph that runs at 21fps and no developer has ever heard of gameplay.

>>715486576 (OP)
>poorly made circle
>sovl
fuck off

Shareholders.
Video games used to be about the craft first, profit second. Shareholders allowed the industry to hyper focus on the profits without any of the passion.

>>715486576 (OP)
Unity

Post-release patches via internet download

>>715486576 (OP)
your mother
WOMEN!!!
DA JOOS
BLACKS AND BROWNS
INDIANS
WOKE!!!!
BLACKROCK
"""WESTERNERS"""
THE GAYS

Please define soul. Use only concrete descriptions and elements that have "soul" without giving examples or saying "you can feel the love put in". Exactly define what soul is in a game.

>>715486576 (OP)
More money being involved with games and more investors.
You can feel the passion in older games where the objective for devs was less about money and more about making something.

>>715487307
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

>>715486873
no he has a point. this board has an aversion to polish, and can't decide on a defition of soul or kino or whatever bullshit buzzword we make up here

>>715487554
That cartoon was from the 1950s and still looks fantastic.

>born decades after the golden age of animation
>born after the gold age of film
>born after the golden age of music
>born half way through the golden age of video gaming
feels shit

>>715486576 (OP)
behold

>>715487307
>Empiricize an abstract feeling
Do you understand the difference between connotation and denotation?

>>715486576 (OP)
Projection. The consumer base is soulless and isn’t capable of appreciating good games.

>>715487554
I like the bottom one, it is crisper and the colors are more vivid.

>>715487702
Why? No one has ever had access to media like we do

>>715486576 (OP)
Why put in effort when you can just make dumbshit tranime gacha?

>>715487739
So if you put a third one with slightly more detail would it be soultimate or black soul

trannies and tranny advocates

>>715488016
Would

>>715488016
you need to leave

In the case of indies, much like other artistic medium, we have a glut of devs who are only able to focus on the surface and craft of video games, without making anything that goes too much deeper. They don't conceptualize ideas that speak to anything deeper than what is presented at first blush: they make their pixel platformers because they like Mario, not because there's any care or thought to ensuring the game itself has anything resembling consistency of theme. Their games can be crisp, can run smooth, can have pleasing music or visuals, but if there isn't an underlying core that the developer is trying to convey, the experience will feel hollow and empty.

>>715486576 (OP)
ftfy

>>715488179
no

Universal Design Philosophy e,g quicktime events, open world design, poorly implementing mechanics from other successful games, quick travel, simplifying complex mechanics, lack of options to not overwhelm, the list goes on and on.

Sometime after 2005ish, the game industry believed everybody wanted certain things in their game, not realizing that people who play Risk might not like Monopoly, people who watch David Lynch movies might not like Adam Sandler flicks. They still haven't figured this out because video games are still a young media, and a hyper successful one at that, so they don't think anything is broken. But the people who grew up before this idea was found out had to sift through a lot of slop, but there was some genuinely fantastic games that were unique, or were an extremely polished version of a more basic idea.

>>715487307
When something is made for passion rather than for profit. It's not that complicated of a term to understand.

nintendo adding soul

>>715488151
Don Bluth autism?

>>715486576 (OP)
Lighting being ass seeing as many gasmes are just remasters of PS2 games now.

>>715488246
ftfy

>>715488279
based Anita
turned Elizabeth from a whore to an everyday girl

>>715487875
What does it matter after all search engines have been lobotomized so you can't find them

>>715487739
>obese
>not obese
it was FAT PROPAGANDA
UGLY UGLY FATTY FAT FAT FAT FAT

>>715488741
I was looking for the PlayStation showcase a few years and I got a bunch of reaction videos before seeing the video I actually wanted. This is what happens when you hire jeets.

>>715486576 (OP)
There's only one way to do something right, but there's an infinite amount of ways to do it wrong. That's one single thing, compared to a near limitless amount of something that goes against the grain. As we age, we get bored, our minds are designed to filter out unneeded info, mainly things we have seen over and over again. That's why you forget weeks of your life, what you ate for breakfast, wore yesterday, etc, because you do the same thing, your routine is perfected, it's only events that break the mold that leave a lasting memory on people now. So when you see a perfect circle, you tune it out, you've seen it before, but when someone does it wrong, that's a new experience, and suddenly you now get that long dead bolt of interest resurface. That, is soul.

>>715488960
Amazon is even worse. They show you a bunch of shit unrelated to your search. I can even put a specific product ID and it'll give me irrelevant results.

>>715486576 (OP)
Things became very industrial and less artisanal.
That's basically it. The group of 10 highly skilled young people working side by side in the same room, making the game from start to finish together, was replaced by a mega corporation of 400 people, not counting all the outsourced workers.
If before, as a programmer, you were next to the graphic artist, working literally together, now, as a programmer, you are taking care of some system that you don't even know how it will be used in the final game, while the art is coming from a group in India that made a fake portfolio with 3D models stolen from the Internet because they specialize in scamming Western corporations.

>>715488319
Bullshit, some devs have a lot of passion, but bad taste and zero creativity as well. And we have soulless shit made out of passion.

Also, as it turns out, "soulful but bad" is a possible scenario.

>>715487554
Lol. Why is the rod so small in the new version?

>>715489793
>And we have soulless shit made out of passion.
Like?

>>715490504
Cult of the Lamb comes to mind.

>>715490858
What makes it soulless?

>>715490957
It makes incels cry

There is a literal psyop to say "soul = badly made" because soul is too christian a term.

>>715490957
Artstyle
Safe edgy theme
Haven't played it tho, but I'm sure gameplay lack any spark.

>>715486576 (OP)
>noooo technical proficiency, competency and skill are bad, never grow and develop, always remain at child level at everything you do!
Damn modern vidya is literally the most soulful thing ever because nobody in the industry knows how the fuck to do anything competently

>>715486873
Nah, anything that has a hint of high resolution anything or high polygon count is automatically considered soulless here.

>>715491147
>Haven't played it tho
classic /v/

>>715491270
But am I wrong?

>>715488210
interesting, do you have examples of games that do that well and some that dont?

>>715491554
I don't know, I haven't played it.

>>715488210
This is completely superficial and arbitrary. I could say Mario is absolutely shallow, lacks direction, takes graphical shortcuts and borrows a character from a completely different game for no reason, and any counter to that will boil down to appeal that it's a classic game and shouldn't be doubted. Because everyone's an expert and everyone's bias is the correct point of view when it comes to art. We've been through this so many times with paintings, music and film that this rhethoric has already been distilled down to math.

>>715492259
>I could say Mario is absolutely shallow, lacks direction, takes graphical shortcuts and borrows a character from a completely different game for no reason, and any counter to that will boil down to appeal that it's a classic game and shouldn't be doubted.
And in some cases you'll be wrong. Simple as that.

>>715487589
Provide an example of something /v/ said was soulless but is instead just polished

>>715486576 (OP)
- Videogames were too succesful, bringing in way too much money.
- As a result the regime needed to integrate the vg industry into its propaganda-entertainment apparatus - because you don’t stay long in power if your herd of wage-slaves begin to think by themselves and ask question about fractional banking or inflation.
- Integration seems succesful at first, so you start injecting more and more of your faithful bureaucrats to manage it. Being unimaginative, the bureaucrats try to replicate the type of environment that best suit them : soulless liberal-fascistic corpo managerialism.
- a perfect storm of several factors in the 10s (competency crisis, economy, wokism, decline of the US as a ww cultural leader, etc) suddenly makes that model more and more prone to failure < WE ARE HERE

>>715492559
>le artisan polish is bad!

>>715488982
I like these types of posts
wish /v/ had more of them

>>715492259
Let's assume you are talking about the original Super Mario Bros. If we take it on its own merits and not its historical significance, what are we left with? A game about a man getting from point A to point B before the timer runs out. The direction of the game, the core theme, is movement and using the controls as precisely as possible to facilitate that movement. Everything in the game ties into it: enemies act as barriers that will immediately end your progress, powerups give you the ability to eliminate these barriers either by giving you a mulligan or by letting you destroy them entirely, and even the final boss is defeated with precise timing and movement. Mario's essence, his soul, comes from movement, which has been a consistent (or relatively consistent) theme for his mainline games.

>>715488151

>No parallax with the bookshelves and outdoor scene

FAKE

>>715487841
trolling isnt allowed outside of /b/

>>715486576 (OP)
>What
jews

>>715488151
It’s crazy when you look back at the quality of animation for some of these cartoons from back in the day. Soul is hard to define but this is a great example. Someone put a lot of time and effort into this even though it was just a children’s cartoon because they loved doing it. Everything today is just decided by focus groups and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

>>715494856
>even though it was just a children’s cartoon
thats the thing, it wasn't just for children. Everyone was meant to enjoy cartoons, and then somewhere down the line hollywood decided cartoons are only for kids.

>>715488179
dilation time

>>715486576 (OP)
What about now?

>>715494373
>a platformer emphasizes movement
holy shit stop the fucking presses

>>715487307
>Exactly define what soul is in a game.
Visible indicator of the things you said I'm not allowed to mention

>>715494373
Now let me hear how all other platformers are not about that at all and that's wrong and soulless and shallow because people you don't like made them for the reasons you don't like.

>>715488016
Anita is very sexy in that pic bro

>There must be no rough edges, sand them down

>HR gets a place at the table for all discussions on game direction and design

>There can be no unresolved conflict or underlying grievance between any two characters that extends outside of a single scene

These are the cardinal sins as I see them

There will never be a microcosm that better exemplifies the SOVL - soulless divide than pic related

>>715486576 (OP)
peripeteia vs expedition 33

Or you can not give a fuck about /v/'s arbitrary definition of soul/soulless. Majority of the niggers on this board are too retarded and can't even pin point where, when, and how gaming went to shit so they just slap labels on everything in the hopes that it'll explain it.

>>715487589
soul is literally not hard to understand
just imagine something full of technical limitations but clearly still had a lot of effort put into making it look charming and unique

>>715497087
no one cares furry faggot

>>715497785
It's a /v/ produced parody game of a furry game

You are a newfag

>>715497785
You have to go back

>>715488549
2003 was when it went to shit

>>715488982
screencap'd for posterity

>>715487589
I feel like its a reaction against the graphic chasing realism style in AAA games. Like any kind of technical proficiency is bad.

>>715491418
/thread

Target audience shift

>>715486576 (OP)
companies realizing they can release slop and still make a profit.

consolidation. everything is 'perfected' down to a science, which means we don't need unique solutions to any beauty problems
you don't need mom's homemade meals when the government gives you soilent green for free

Unironically, social media proliferation which has caused almost all corporations to target a sleeker perfected design in order to look good on a phone and this permeates every aspect of creation in every medium now down to the sciences. I believe social media should never have been invented

>>715491418
This but unironically. To perfectly draw a circle freehand is to be like a robot rather than a human, thus lacking soul

>>715499302
>>715498504
>>715491418

>zoomer thinks that hours of practice to achieve something that is difficult for almost everybody is somehow mechanical and not a miracle of human will
You deserve all the slop you get

>>715488151
This was considered low brow entertainment and a waste of time to consume at the time it came out.

>>715494373
Notice how this midwit faggot suddenly stopped posting when called out.

>>715499395
>realismslop = muh mastery
Nothing more boring and soulless than perfectly replicating reality

>>715487307
>without giving examples or saying "you can feel the love put in"
Without love, it (the sovl) cannot be seen.

>>715499116
Yeah, giving unlimited access to internet to people who really don't know how to breath and blink is one of the biggest mistakes of society

>>715499503
Meanwhile everyone else would be impressed at the fact that an individual effort and will to put in the for something that many joke about not being able to do on the first try. From there that individual can then invent and create something that is far from reality since he knows the technical and can expand on it

>>715497785
The sharty is two blocks down, underage faggot.

>>715489964
you really think these animators ever saw a fishing rod irl

>>715499503
How does drawing a perfect circle relate in any way to realism?

>>715487307
Attention to detail in things that don't "really" matter in the grand scheme.

>>715499920
A perfect circle, much like a game that tries to be photorealistic, is impressive from a technical standpoint but it lacks uniqueness and character. The closer games are to reality, the closer they are to all looking the same.