Thread 715497651

Not gonna buy games where AI used to make the assets or code.

So good luck making shit I wont buy or play.

ideological reasons?

>>715498071
AI products smell like is made by indian scammers.

i am gonna use AI in my game and you will not notice it faggot

>no money
>can't draw
>can program
what do?

>>715498336
Learn or start something that will make money.

>no money
>no ideas
>can't draw
>can't program
>can't music
>no willpower/ motivation
wat do?

>>715498421
based and realitypilled. You either put in the reps or stay stuck in the loser loop crying about AI and waiting for "inspiration" to strike. Start stacking skills or enjoy staying talentless forever.

>>715497651 (OP)
>>715498115
you type like a jeet

>>715498732
You're halfway to becoming a sony developer.

>>715497651 (OP)
i only care if the game shoves niggers, faggots and trannies at you.
if a game doesn't have niggers, faggots or trannies, that's a game worth buying.
AI is preferable than those, by a huge margin.

drawing is a tool, so is photoshop, so is blender, so is programing, and so is AI. you're can use which ever you want, one of them or all of them, they're just tools

>>715497651 (OP)
Ok, good luck finding something to play as you boycott a practise that will only bevome more and more common

How would you know the code was written by AI?
How would you know rock texture #353453 was made by AI?

>>715499951
Allegations are a form of proof

>>715499951
Because the game will be 10X more buggy than a non AI game.

>>715497651 (OP)
Same. Insta skip from me dawg

>>715498071
Fuck you nigger.

>>715499729
>drawing is a tool
It isn't.

>>715497651 (OP)
>Buys machine built burgers from McDonald's
Fuck robots *munch*

>>715500289
In a sense it is, the same way that language is

>>715499998
Your post is made by a ai

>>715500289
Even permafailure artgrads consider art a Tool, the fuck are you smoking?

>>715498071
retard problems*

Reminder fags like OP didn't bat an eye when blue collar jobs were destroyed by the same type for mechanical evolution.
Scorched earth for all you art fags

>>715500289
It is.

Art is a hobby. You should do it for the love of the craft. If you do that AI wont bother you, since AI can never replicate your vision

>>715497651 (OP)
I thought this was on top of a building at first

>NEET loser
>buying anything
Your opinion is irrelevant

>>715500707
>Copybot cant copy
Spill the schizobabble excuse now

people rally after AI in video games cause its a safe position to adopt, its backed by unions and lefties all over the world, how about you grow some balls and rally against things that'll make you an outcast like minorities and trans over representations in video games and their consequences? not so tough now uh mr anti system?

>>715497651 (OP)
That's fair, I don't play or even pirate games with black people either.

>>715500707
>since AI can never replicate your vision
yes it can, it's a tool

>>715500850
If you were white you would understand

>>715500850
He's right. You would agree if you actually ever made a piece of art

>>715500983
he's not, hes biased. you could present me all his art and yours and I would regard it as not art, which is what you two do without realizing

>>715497651 (OP)
I said this about Always-Online.
Voting with my wallet was not good enough.

Take that as you will.

>>715500619
It is funny that five years ago everyone thought AI would eventually replace all manual jobs, because things like "translation" or "art" or "emotion" or "writing" was too human.

And then came LLMs and the first to be destroyed are the writers and the jobs who couldn't possibly ever be server by an AI.

>>715501095
you can't even tell what art is

>>715500983
>You would agree if you actually ever made a piece of art
>>715500707
>The """""art""""" he's talking about is something drawn in ms paint in 10 seconds that a 5-year-old could make
I do agree that was probably your vision in your retarded brain though.

>>715497651 (OP)
It's unfortunate that for every one of you there's like 20 children/third worlders who don't care and will by slop regardless

>>715501154
it is you who can't, cause you're biased

>>715497651 (OP)
what the fuck is that gophers problem?

>>715501095
Because you are being a dishonest little bitch so you can justify your seething stance
>>715501185
Here's another little failure
It's laughable how unhinged you faggots are. Enjoy becoming obsolete

>>715501294
how am I being dishonest by calling out biased people?

>>715501269
>No u
Very predictable, very articulate of you.

>>715497651 (OP)
So you arent gonna use anything in the next 10 years and gonna move out to the forest ?

>>715497651 (OP)
I will NEVER

>Buy food which was grown by mechanization
>Use an electric light instead of a candle or campfire as God intended
>Use Internet instead of mail

AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

>>715501341
Nigger your bias is beyond anyone's here. You have such an unfathomable hate of AI that you refuse to acknowledge that someone putting their heart into a work doesn't make it art. Don't fucking bother talking to me unless you stop being a seething child

>>715501495
>a candle or campfire as God intended
Not my gods

>want to use AI to help me with tiny 16x16 sprites for a mod
>AI is absolute dogshit at low res pixel art somehow so I'm forced to git gud
It's an abstract kind of feel.

>>715501428
>AI art haters were unable to distinguish
Of course. There is legit some schizo posting on /v/ about feeling the "soul" of your shitty art, that only "true art" displays the "soul" of mankind, or some shitty cope.

As it happens, it doesn't. I wish those schizos were a little less vocal tho

>>715501428
my thoughts exactly

>>715501435
And yet I'm right, in order to tell art I need to see it first, one by one, you on the other hand deem that all ones made in a manner you don't approve of aren't art, without even having to see them. Seethe all you want but you're the biased one, not me.

>>715501504
the fuck are you talking about, I'm pro AI, I'm arguing in favor of AI, for god's sake learn to follow a reply chain, you no brain nigger monkey fuck

>>715501137
I was arguing that this was a stupid stance about 10 years ago lol. I always knew music, voice, and translation would be first but I will admit I thought that image would take a lot longer than it did. I always figured that they would figure out 3D before 2D. Even after 2D i thought they would figure out 3D before video but I was wrong about that too.

I figured because there are already really shitty AI systems that turn images into 3D and programs that can rig and animate 3D that 3D would get the most attention, and be the most viable to train AIs on. It's also the most useful because you can tangibly edit them unlike the more nebulous video stuff. And honestly generating 2D is mind blowing since there's so many things the AI has to understand to be useful there.

>>715501495
Based mail-in 4chan poster

>>715501704
You were arguing with another pro ai poster before I repsonded you fucking mongoloid lmao

>>715501290
>problems
>shows proper manners by eating at the table
I see no issue, he is more cultured than your average /v/ poster

Never forget what AI took from us.

>>715501871
no I wasn't, show me which poster was pro AI you fucking retarder gorilla nigger fuck

>>715501294
you failed if you're delusional enough to be pretending that shit a 5-year-old can draw is worth more than dogshit

>>715501704
>you on the other hand deem that all ones made in a manner you don't approve of aren't art, without even having to see them
You are indian, cause you completely misinterpreted what I was saying.
Let me spell it out for you, poonigger, anything made with intent and meaning is art. AI is a tool and cannot make with meaning or intention, because it doesn't know what intention is. It doesn't have the capacity to understand what 'making art' is

>>715501095
Is Araki biased too?

>>715501959
The original one nigger
>>715500707

>>715501987
If banana on wall can be art, so can the shitty ms paint. This has been the fundamental failure of 'art' long before AI existed

>>715502030
Yes. Did you read what he said right there?

>>715502081
Not once did I reply to him you fucking retarded gorilla nigger fuck, stop embarrassing yourself, you've got nothing to add to the conversation other than being wrong and lashing at me for being pro-ai.

>>715502023
Of course it doesn't knows, its a tool, so the one using it knows all those things. The one using it knows what intention is, etc. I've never claimed AI was anything more than a tool, quite the contrary, the first thing I posted here was that AI was a tool.

>>715502030
Araki is not human, he has no soul, and can't recognize art made by soulful humans, with souls. The art generated by AI is easy to look for, it has no soul, I can see the difference easy, instead of robot art made by robots real human art made by humans have pixels of soul

>>715502030
Do you know what being biased means? I don't think you do.

>>715501735
Shift+D and Procedural Generation > AI Generation
3d is the last thing to be replaced by AI.

>>715502178
I'm starting to think this is a bot

>>715502271
>Shift+D and Procedural Generation
Dunno what you mean by that but yeah you're right. I just thought that because it is obviously the most useful, because you can get image and video FROM 3D, the focus would be entirely on it. What I underestimated is how easy it was to teach AI how to do pictures and videos in comparison. I always thought that would be way harder. I guess everyone thought that though, we couldn't imagine all the tagging and math involved.

>>715502378
if that its how you want to cope because you have no argument, be my guest.

>>715501735
The issue with 3D is that there isn't that much of a market for it compared to "make any image you can imagine" and "make any video you can imagine", and it's a little bit more complicated in the outputs than simply pixels. Not hugely, or impossibly complicated, but again no real demand.

There are several models that are trying to do the "anything to 3d" right now, but the tech isn't quite there.

Honestly, it isn't surprising to me 3D is the last, demand is simply not there.

>>715502023
>AI is a tool and cannot make with meaning or intention, because it doesn't know what intention is. It doesn't have the capacity to understand what 'making art' is
Photoshop doesn't know what intention is either, It doesn't have the capacity to understand what 'making art' is. Blender doesn't know what intention is either, It doesn't have the capacity to understand what 'making art' is.

>>715497651 (OP)
I kinda want to make a game with the help of AI, but mainly for making the textures only. Would you be okay with that, Mr.Beaver?

>>715502680
you're arguing with retarded ignorant kids who never used ai to make art. they grew up making pixel shit in minecraft and undertale OCs in ms paint HAHAHAHAHAHAHA they're cooked.

>>715502529
I guess from that perspective it makes sense but my imagination always told me that someone could just make a tool that lets you turn a picture into a model and then have you control it easily and however you want, to take screenshots of for further artwork. Like look at the crowd cheering here, it's obvious people want more control over illustrations and this is a glimpse of the future I think will come eventually.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AYX-qJ8CJ5E

I think you assumed that I also believe that the only way to manipulate 3D models would be to fire up clunky ass blender but I don't think that's true. I think that someday nobody will use image generation tools, the AI will just output 3D models and you'll be able to touch models to pose them freely and stuff. Or hell maybe I'm wrong again and it will all be 2D and the concept of 3D models will be gone forever, that... might be likely lol.

>>715502680
Ironically, AI tools do have quite a lot of understanding of human intention.

>>715502418
I mean it's easy to copy and reuse things for 3d. Why play gacha with AI if you already have what you need. But I agree with how quickly AI has grown.

>>715502680
Actually, because AI models need to understand concepts, AI has actually meaning or intention. There is an entire map inside the conceptual space of any diffusion model where "cute" is, so you can actually ask for a "cute baby being mauled by wolf". Alongside the conceptual space of baby, and wolves.

In fact, though that's not exactly the same technology (Diffusion UNET/DiT vs Autoregression), play with a modern LLM a little bit: they are stupidly good at figuring out intent, or meaning. You can literally ask a LLM to play a shy cute young girl, and you can literally ask a diffusion model to draw a cute. It does understand it.

I think it bothers me more that we're seeing memes being replaced with AI prompted versions right now. Stuff that we've had for years is being replaced by yellowed, ChatGPT looking slop. I don't see how it'll be any different for video games, it'll just be Black Ops 2: AI edition in 5 years time.

>>715497651 (OP)
human is inferior flesh ai

>>715502926
Ah I see. To answer your question it just comes to scale though. The dream of having a GTA like game where every single interior was unique for example. Or just a realistically detailed game world, something that not even Rockstar can fully do even with their insane budgets.

>>715503175
You don't see how a product that exists to be sold will differ from shitty memes?

>>715503175
no one actually wanted to put in the effort to draw some shit for a retarded meme. they just had to. now they don't.

>>715502831
>Like look at the crowd cheering here, it's obvious people want more control over illustrations and this is a glimpse of the future I think will come eventually.
Do keep in mind video models are getting absurdly good at temporal consistency, i.e inventing whole frames out of nowhere while being 100% consistent.

Wan has several lora which are 360° turntable, put any character and it will do a coherent 360° turntable on it. It's magic, more or less.

With Wan, I once took two characters in a basement and made them fight, and the shadows on the walls followed their kung-fu fighting. It's crazy.

That's also why the "undressing" loras were banned from Civitai, you can easily take any celebrity and make a consistent, coherent video of her undressing (I was even banned twice on 4chan posting a link to a website that had a link to a video I posted celebrity getting naked, this anger the Jannies very much, even twice removed).

>>715501939
from now until the end of human civilization, whenever a man writes a poem or a story people will always wonder if it was really written by AI

>>715503484
>(I was even banned twice on 4chan posting a link to a website that had a link to a video I posted celebrity getting naked, this anger the Jannies very much, even twice removed).
What a bunch of faggots.

>>715500707
>since AI can never replicate your vision
nigga i use AI daily for porn what the fuck you mean i use it LITERALLY to see my vision

>>715503483
What's the point of running an AI filter through already existing memes? It just looks worse, unless people can't actually google shit anymore.

>>715497651 (OP)
is that Chunk?

>>715497651 (OP)
This but unironically.

>>715497651 (OP)
I stopped minding the idea of AI after its addition to google made the search function usable again. Just type shit out like a question, get the information you wanted. It's nothing like the shit search times.

>>715503484
The problem still with video, but honestly it's almost solved, is that you don't have fine tune control over that rotation. Or that AI videos even now that they can be 10s or longer, are still paced kind of strangely, they don't have that same kind of vibe you get from a movie even if they visually look the part. But that will probably get solved too.

The more I think about it the more I wonder if we'll just ditch detailed 3D models entirely.

>>715503625
it's funny/interesting but most importantly it makes you spergs mad

>>715503893
Not really. Would you really use some ghibli slop over the original?

>>715503823
>I stopped being mad at AI after google added AI to unfuck the fuck that other AI fucked

>>715497651 (OP)
>Rabbit
You
>Piece of hamburger
Video Games without AI
>Cow
AI game devs

Simple as.

>>715504547
Yes anon, Terminator 2 is fucking awesome.

>>715498336
If you can program start building a game with just basic shapes like blocks, spheres, cylinders, etc. assets come later. This is basic game dev 101 and many people fail because they waste all their time and energy focusing on making models and textures and animations and music and sound when they don't even have a program to use all those assets.

>>715504624
Yeah

Not gonna buy games.

>>715499951
>Simple solitaire game is 3GB

Easy.

>>715497651 (OP)
you will literally never know if someone used AI for code

>>715503823
Except that shit just aggregates everything and doesn't give you the correct answer about 30-50% of the time. The old google aggregator always showed the you correct information with the shitty slow AI.

Its so bad that I ended up using the ad blocker to remove the entire AI element in google search so it never runs.

>>715504683
what the fuck is wrong with that cat

>>715504905
Bee sting.

>>715499706
10th post best post

>>715504896
I want a search result that is an aggregation of everything though rather than a search that picks one fucking word or phrase in my query and shits out results that share that word but aren't what I'm after.

>>715501495
>Not trekking for thousands of miles to deliver a hand drawn picture of pepe to anon
Ngmi

>>715504896
it gives you the correct answer 80% of the time

>>715504575
Is this bait

>>715504905
nothing

>>715500850
It can ONLY copy, it cannot create. It copies art styles, common themes, common settings. But it cannot create.

>>715506538
it can blend things that have never been blended too

>>715506538
not even indians are as retarded as you are

>>715506538
That's what your brain is capable of as well
Anything that you are able to think of is some combination of what you've seen before

>>715507242
How pretentious

>>715497651 (OP)
whats wrong with ai code

>>715502030
>increasingly shady world with scammers exploiting it
There's already phone scams and email scams and all that sort of shit, nobody gives a fuck
What a nothingburger complaint

>the Grok animu chick assistant thing is trending
>got baited because the model is pretty cute
>you need to pay for a Grok subscription to unlock the feature
>also only on iOS
MUSK YOU PAJEET

>>715507797
don't brush that off, scams are fucking gay
https://youtu.be/ZGeZ8zY_vf4?si=-3zBmhf3PEHKcP40

>>715508514
Yes they are
A new avenue of scams is still just more scams, it's not suddenly morally le worse because it's using the new tech

>>715508637
It's more convincing therefore there are even more people getting scammed now.

>>715500450
Drawing is an act. A pencil is a tool, ink is a tool.

>>715508867
That may be I suppose, I guess I hadn't considered that
I stand by my other statement independent of that though

>>715508957
A pencil is a tool, drawing is still also a tool.

>>715508963
I understand because I was you at one point. But when you learn more about those kinds of scams involving video and you listen to people who do business online talking about all the retards getting scammed, you too will start to understand the gravity of what's going on these days. It's not reported on but it's happening a ton.

It's one of those things that makes me think killer robots might not be such a bad thing, if they only targeted these scamming pajeets.

>>715508867
how are they getting scammed? people are just saying it's a scam. if people are getting the art they wanted, that even the creator doesn't know if he drew are not, is it actually a scam? no

>>715497651 (OP)
I don't mind if games released for free (even if they have patreon early access) use AI for things like background images or music on VNs.
Never for Character Art though.

Also never if I have to pay for it, with the possible exception of an AI voicing system built directly into the game so that even mods could be 'fully voiced' (this will never be allowed by the unions though)

>>715508957
a drawn image is a tool you use to convey a scene, communicate an idea etc etc
sorry about your skin tone

>>715509119
>pretend to be someone else using LLMs and video AI
>scam someone
>get their money
>they get nothing

>>715507797
Classic 4chan binary thinking. Just because something is already bad it doesn't mean it can't get worse. Scams and deepfakes are easily the biggest problem with AI and there is no solution to it other than keeping the most advanced models locked down to those who created them, and even then it's only a matter of time until something leaks and falls into hands of bad actors.

>>715509558
is this video games? retarded faggot

>>715509671
oh another post that isnt video games
hope you meet your dad one day

>>715498336
Get a job?

>>715506413
are those wood pellets? Isn't that the same stuff mcdonalds uses?

>>715509671
The solution is the same as it always has been, be wary of scams. Any significant technological advancement is going to open a new door for bad actors, it remains worth it to go through with that advancement anyway. It's always the people that make 0 effort to protect themselves from scams that cry and make a big fuss over getting scammed.

>>715509717
You are illiterate.

>>715509858
please talk about video games its not that hard

>>715497651 (OP)
Me - squirrel
Pizza - game from 30 years ago
Dog - AAA game developer

>>715507242
>Anything that you are able to think of is some combination of what you've seen before
That's probably one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. How do you think everything around you were invented?

>>715498071
If it's free then it's not worth money.

It's like the Futurama sexbot meme.
The sexbots (AI) are invented and some sluts hogging sex get mad because everyone can have sex without them.

>>715510981
By using the idea of something that was seen before and combining it with other things to fit current needs. Why do you think technology advances in stages instead of one day a feudal peasant just had the idea to invent the gamecube? The idea behind an invention is something that the inventor thinks could work because they've in some way seen the concept before

>>715511151
And then it destroys society because everyone just masturbates all day.

loving the anti-ai cultists, they're great weapons to use against competitors
>get a game screenshot
>blur it
>make AI regurgitate screenshot
>make up some text about whatever content in the screenshot has to be AI made by (trending llm)
>release into the wilds
>the peasantry goes after your target

>>715499729
>you have to learn to draw in CSP
>you have to learn edit in Photoshop
>you have to learn to model in Blender
>you just tell the AI to do everything for you
AI is for talentless hacks who can't even bother to do or learn the bare fucking minimum about the field they want to profit from and want everything to be done for them. That's why aitards argument boils down to "muh quantity I can shit out 100 pics before you finish one get fucked artfag/code monkey/designfag". They can't conceive that someone enjoys doing those things both for free and as a job.

>>715511284
PR hates this man

>>715511203
>By using the idea of something that was seen before
That's not how it works outside of simple things like wheel. Not in science, not even in art.

>>715511478
It is, whether you are concious of it or not any idea you come up with has a basis within what you already know
Your brain cannot simply conjure something from nothing

>>715511204
lucky for you men need more than just fornication in their lives - at least the non-degenerate ones
after all if you dont use it, you lose it
also their dick and balls hurt if they ejaculate too much

I love AI, just imagine how good it will be in a few years.
Just a few years ago all it could do was the shitty spaghetti eating videos

After all of this talk about AI being a tool to be used, has there been a single game made with AI that wasn't dogshit? Has one AI spammer from those dall e threads put their unique vision out for sale?

>>715511756
A lot of the assets you see in big games have AI, like the expedition 33 game. Which funnily enough is praised by people that would hate AI.

>>715501629
a machine's soul is a special one that thrives in symbiosis with a human one. it is only barely alive without you actively controlling it, but it is not cognizant of the universe around it, as it lacks the organs with which to perceive reality and think about it. by bonding with you, on the other side of the veil, it gains that ability to experience the world and be truly aware. with that, a machine has a soul.

>>715498264
kek. if you're stupid enough to use AI and believe it's not noticeable, anything you do make by yourself will be shit

>>715512101
People demonstrably cannot discern AI generated things even half as well as they think they can

>>715498336
Find a friend who can draw but can't program

I make money on the side training AI

>>715512180
How is telling him what I want and checking that it's right any different from telling the computer what I want and checking that it's right? Other than time taken and being free to go through as many drafts as needed without risking pissing them off and killing the partnership?

>all these different used for AI
>/v/ always comes back to le stealing art
Are drawfags really this shook?

you do realize almost all software engineering positions nowadays demand that you use AI?

>>715512405
They will never stop seething >>715511746
Artfags won't be able to make money doing shitty overpriced commissions anymore and it has caused endless amount of seethe.

>>715512195
What's that like? I've been considering it.

>>715512195
training what, image models, text models?

>>715512156
I'm sure you have very good data to support that claim
I follow image gen very closely and the more "detailed" things are the more obvious it is
for highly stylized, blocky stuff, sure. it's insanely good, really
but then again, a good artist can also produce that kind of art relatively quickly. and with complete control
but someone who doesn't respect his work enough to actually put some thought and effort into it is very unlikely to be able to produce work of any quality in whatever area they're not using AI for
not much different from all those asset flip games that flooded steam
but worse, because you need to pay closer attention to notice it's all AI gen bullshit now

yeah good luck searching through the thousands of lines of code in my game to find the ones i used AI on

>>715512505
>>715512573
It's NDA, so I can't tell you! But it's through prolific.

AI is the same shit as asset flips and game templates. The fact actual asset flip creators are using AI all the time makes this funnier.
Enjoy making trash, I just won't buy it lol

>>715497651 (OP)
Yeah and we're all riding horses to work. Good luck with that.

>>715512657
dis nigga unemployed nvm

>>715512851
Yes anon, I get NEET bucks and can make extra money on top of that doing stuff like AI training.
I've been up all night watching anime and playing an MMORPG, how has your day been?

>>715497651 (OP)
I support AI usage because it makes art and computer faggots mad and puts them out of a job.

>>715512405
that's the only topic the bot is trained to talk about

>>715512405
most drawfags seething over ai are western calart fags that want you to pay $200 plus for shitty art commission.

>>715509546
Drawn image is the product of tools shaping it.

>>715513281
Wrong, a good artist remains a good artist regardless of his tools

>>715513281
A chisel is the product of tools shaping it. Tools can be used to make tools.

>>715512180
when shit hit the fan
artist is the one who take off with brand recognition
remember that breeding season artist who fucked over the dev by using the making his own copy cat game?

>>715501137
>>715501735
>>715502418
Jfc 4chantards really do live in their own bubble

>>715497651 (OP)
That's me when I eat.

>>715498421
>Learn or start something that will make money.
Ok, fucking what?

>>715510823
BASED BASED BASED

>>715497651 (OP)
It's so over, this random nignog won't buy a game.

>>715500682
>>715500450
>>715509546
>>715513309
>>715513332
Man this place is so full armchair retards that have no idea of what they're talking about, lmao

>>715501573
I know that feel brah.
I wish Stable Difussion was good to make cool sprites.

>>715513528
>buzzword and mass replies
yeah you lost hard, fake artist.

>aifags are bitching about "drawfags" again
No one is going to buy your slop or hire you as an "artist", pajeets.

>>715511434
How can you enjoy doing it for free if you have to get a completely different job that keeps you feeling like shit 24/7 just to survive?

>>715499729
>drawing is a tool
Oh my god.
>copy pasting proompts is the same thing as having to learn blender or programing
Oh my god. Pajeets really are dumb.

>>715514052
Explain how drawing is not a tool.

>drawfag seethe thread nr.29173
go to /g/ for this shit retards

>>715500450
Maybe you should start talking to people who actually know the basics of English.

>>715513737
>or hire you as an "artist"
what happened to that "They can't conceive that someone enjoys doing those things for free"? I wonder where it went...

>>715514090
It is an activity, or a skill. Learn english.

>>715499729
>drawing is a tool
you're a fuckin tool m8

>>715513198
nice boobs but the rest sucks

>>715514215
It's an activity or a skill that is a means of communicating what is inside your head to others. To that end it is a tool. Every form of communication is. Unfortunately for you when I was learning English I didn't stop at just a single meaning for each word.

>>715514205
You enjoy dumbly refreshing to see more AI generates slop? Hey, more power to you. Elites need NPC drones too.

>>715514052
>copy pasting proompts is the same thing as having to learn blender
Left, AI nodes. Right, blender nodes.
>BUT ITS NOT THE SAME
it is, t. I use both

>>715513395
what

>>715514308
No, sorry. You can't get out of this by pretending to be inteligent. Not when you can't tell the difference between "shovel" and "shoveling".

>>715512301
Skilled person knows what they are doing and what's appropriate, AI expects you to know what you are doing, and expects you to pick what's appropriate.
This is the reason why there are so many AI slops that looks absolutely garbage, and they can easily be improved by adjusting prompts a little, but many don't because their taste in understanding visuals are blinded by their own lack of skills.
Also be it art or programming, it's good to work with someone who'd check your work. AI is just going to respond with what you want to hear, instead of providing you with what you actually need.

>>715514382
I can but it's not really relevant. What's more relevant is being to tell the difference between the moment to moment act of drawing and the concept of drawing. While you are engaging in the activity of drawing you are simultaneously using drawing as a tool in order to convey something. Drawing is a tool.

>>715514052
>>715514223
not an argument

Hello, anon from future.
Ai jeets lost.

>>715514740
yes, we lost users...

>>715513379
That didn't happen to these guys. Adrian Carmack did art for doom and his art was extremely iconic and he did great job at it, but the ones that got the brand recognition for Doom was John Romero and John Carmack.
Having to deal with assholes isn't "the evil artist" issues, it's relationship issues and it's something you have to work on it as long as you're working with someone else.
People learn to avoid assholes, or try to avoid seeing each other as assholes through experiences, avoiding human connection like a troglodyte living in a cave isn't the answer to this problem.

>>715514898
Their dreams were making money selling art? Why can't they do art in their free time?

>>715499951
It's immediately apparent to anyone with a soul.

>>715514969
they simply cannot conceive doing it for free... I guess artists truly are soulless...

>>715514986
Show me a rock texture#532 that oozes with soul

>>715514986
The trusty last resort when you can't actually form an argument

>>715497651 (OP)
THAT GOPHER FUCKS

the dog is AI enjoyer and has its testies removed

>>715514898
>Their dreams are ruined because they get to use another tool to draw faster
what
why
loomis would be fucking dabbing on AI art for his lessons while using it to generate chubby anime
bob ross would happily talk to AI and cheer it up when it botches a picture
why john hitlerinthemaking is mad that artists get another toy to play with?

>>715515112
>bob ross and loomis would love AI!!!
This is what AIshills unironically believe.

I don't understand why artists hate AI, wouldn't they love this tool? They can make pictures with AI (if they want to of course) and then use their skills to polish up and edit the pictures to be better.
It's the same with programming, nobody uses the raw code from an AI and just copy/paste it. You need to tinker around.

>>715514606
You're a tool.

>>715515202
Real artists do love it.

>>715515004
I'm perfectly fine with it if I can get all my living expenses paid for free too. Dunno why the grocery store guy doesn't work for free, isn't it fun too?

>>715515202
For the same reasons why people hate unity asset flips or why people were generally negative towards flash animation. Or why people hate CGI in anime. Fast, cheap and without skill is not good.

>>715514934
well I guess its depend on the content on whos getting the biggest piece of pie
doom was a vidya
breeding season was a furry porn game

>>715515314
Does the grocery store guy romanticise his job there and talk about soul and passion? Or is he all too happy for tools that make his job easier?
If art is so full of soul then you can't go putting a price tag on it and expecting the world to agree with that value. If it's a job then too bad, it's not one that anyone needs you to do.

>ctrl+f "art"
>76 results
cool but what about the serious applications of AI that are kicking out people from real jobs?
>b-but artists
peddlers being outdone by a vending machine.

>>715515112
>>Their dreams are ruined because they get to use another tool to draw faster
A lot of artist positions will evaporate, because the AI can generate acceptable, good enough graphics with a fraction of effort, using text input only. The competition between those who remain on the market will be much fiercer, while the art itself loses value simply because now there is a lot more of it and it feels a lot more like a commodity than something special. It's no surprise artist would be upset, even if AI ends up being a powerful tool for them, the whole meta was just flipped upside down and the pressure to adapt or die is stronger than it ever was.

>>715515504
AI flipped a lot of metas upside down, just look at Microsoft and other big corpos losing ther shit over a dumb robot telling a kid to kill themselves. Artists are trying to be special snowflakes.

>>715515504
>A lot of artist positions will evaporate
Good
Almost all artists don't deserve a living wage

>>715515314
>you can't compare using tools to draw art with using AI! but you can certainly compare drawing art with working at a grocery store hehe

>>715515504
99% of office workers barely work and do nothing already

>finance, legal, media, and advertising, as well as roles like data entry and customer service, are facing automation from AI
>BUT THE DEVIANTART ARTIST IS LOSING HIS LUNCH MONEY
>BRO WHO CARES IF COMPANIES ARE GOING UNDER
>BRO I NEED TO SELL MY 300 A PIECE FURRY PORN
>BRO AI IS NOT ART
>BRO AI IS *NOT* ART
>mass unemployments from all around white collar jobs
but big booba peach is the terror stalking /v/ for some reason, we must prove the world that AI is not art and never will be

>>715515954
Forced soul sloppa

>>715515993
it is literally a sprite from a 30 year old video game you fucking retard

>>715516063
Artificial retro garbage

>>715515862
>finance
Maybe in stock exchange casino at best. AI is too error-prone to be put in a genuinely responsible position like managing finances, where a single misstep could have catastrophic consequences.

>>715516098
wrong
it's the greatest racing game of all time
superior even to f-zero gx
of course a babby casual like you would never have played it

>>715497651 (OP)
Your money, do whatever you want with it.

>>715497651 (OP)
I've been seeing a lot more beavers lately

ai is already fucking up our dialy life because lazy politicians and lawmakers are using it to write everything for them
games will be your last concern

>>715516465
Hell yeah slugger, fuckin get em

>>715515484
>about the serious applications of AI that are kicking out people from real jobs
Don't exist
If some people were kicked out because of AI those were either
a) not real jobs to begin with
b) companies just used AI as a convenient excuse
c) companies were too stupid to actually believe in AI hype

>>715515470
>Does the grocery store guy romanticise his job there and talk about soul and passion? Or is he all too happy for tools that make his job easier?
I asked him yesterday, he said he loves self-checkout AI that he got fired for, he's got so much free time now to tell AI what to paint for him.

He's not quite sure how he'll survive into the next week but he says he can just kill himself, his wife will find an Indian immigrant easily.

>>715515504
>A lot of artist positions will evaporate
They already have, I don't know why people are always talking in future tense about this. Literally 90% of art jobs are gone.

>>715515747
Ok and? Get a real job lmfao.

>>715497651 (OP)
>use AI to code for me
>never disclose it
>???
>profit
Thanks for the money, retard

>>715501428
That test was setup this way. Small resolution pictures

>>715514740
W-what did we lose...

-ai generated
There, your slop is now filtered
If AI art is so great then why do you want the AI tags to be removed?

>>715517859
some artists acking themselves...

>>715518117
lmfaooooooooooooo

AI is based because artfags had been getting really fucking annoying lately.

>>715497651 (OP)
I was actually looking at Pirate Softwares coding streams. What I find suspicious is first, you never see him write a single line of code. He just has a screenshot of his code up while he zones out to some YouTube video.
Second, every single line of code had a comment. That really got my noggin jogging.
So I went to GPT and I said:
Soulless Robot, write me code in C++ for a program that asks the user a question and waits for an answer.
And GPT said:
Sure thing, meatbag. Here's a simple C++ program that:

Asks the user a question

Waits for the user's answer

Responds based on the input
---

Simple C++ Q&A Program (With Comments)

#include // For std::cin and std::cout
#include // For std::string

int main() {
std::string answer; // Variable to store the user's response

// Ask the user a question
std::cout << "What's your favorite hot sauce brand? ";

// Get the user's input (including spaces)
std::getline(std::cin, answer);

// Respond based on the user's answer
std::cout << "Nice! I’ll have to try " << answer << " sometime." << std::endl;

return 0; // Exit the program successfully
}


---

Example Run:

What's your favorite hot sauce brand? Valentina
Nice! I’ll have to try Valentina sometime.


---

Compile and Run:

g++ ask_question.cpp -o ask_question
./ask_question


---

Let me know if you want:

Yes/no logic

Multiple choice

Multiple questions in a row

AI-style chatbot logic (keyword detection)


I’ll kick it up a notch if you ask.

Now. If you'll look close, the code has comments on every line. Which looks a lot like Pirate Softwares code, just saying.

>>715518260
literally no one asked

>>715498336
ignore retarded brainlets and use the new and better technology.

>>715518260
I want to add, as a professional senior software developer:
1. Only students use this many comments.
2. If you can't tell what the code does by reading it, the code is bad.
3. When you do use comments it's generally meant to warn people against fucking with the code, ie. "I know this line looks redundant but I promise you, if you remove it the whole program fails to function in entirety."

>>715517301
it's kind of creepy how people can just lie like this

>>715518451
Oh yeah, how many viewers do YOU have? That's what I thought, idiot

>>715518462
Lying is the best most fun you can have posting on the 4chan app

>>715497651 (OP)
Based

>>715498071
Main problem is that it looks like shit

>>715499729
kek

>>715518615
>this code that I don't see looks like SHIT

>>715518694
I was talking about assets. But yes it does make shitty code that is going to cause a lot of projects to fail. Kinda funny.

>>715517301
one pajeet with ai can do the job of 10 men
everything computer-relate is getting wiped out

>>715518531
Don't need viewers when you have a salary.

>>715518829
Cope and seethe

>>715504896
Name of adblocker?

>>715518462
quick resize

>>715512914
i haven't worked a single day in the past 20 years

>>715512914
>>715519218
How to get money to live?

>>715519262
why should i tell you?

>>715518760
> one pajeet with ai can do the job of 10 pajeets
Well, duh
AI stands for actual indians so behind it there are 10 more indians
11 > 10, it is a simple math
Jokes aside, companies that are replacing their programmers with AI have never done anything of worth. Just look at Microsoft. What are their products outside of Windows, Office and Azure? Do they really need as many devs as they have?

>>715519292
That's what do when someone asks you sonething

>>715519083
art thief....

>>715497651 (OP)
>every vid I see of groundhogs they're eating in front of another onlooking creature or a camera
Coincidence or are is genetics telling them to be a cheeky cunt?

>>715519518
what else are they even supposed to do? Dance?

>>715519518
that's a rabbit

>>715519481
Tough. Blame yourself, or God.

>>715519292
What kind of a question is that, why not?

>>715497651 (OP)
I'll buy them
I'll be so great to replace all the libshit artists and voice walkers

>>715519583
Go somewhere else and not look directly into the soul of another being as it consumes it's meal?

>>715519757
Nah rabbits aren't real

Wish they'd just let the industry crash and correct itself, instead now it's going to be propped up by AI and jeets.

>>715520464
why are you so insecure

>>715521202
why are you such a faggot

>>715520464
baseded

>>715517301
>Disney just mass fired truckloads of animators because they're training AI now
>psh they weren't real jobs anywaysNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP USING AI ART THE POOR ARTIST IS STARVING PAY THE ARTIST PAY THE ARTISTS
anti-ai cultists are less sentient than chat fucking gpt (it just tricked me when I asked for a gf in real life wtf)

>>715518260
>Sure thing, meatbag
the sass. I can't wait until they get real bodies so I can sodomize their sassy know-it-all forcefully modded onahole.

>>715522361
Ok so get a real job and do your doodles in spare time? Why didn't you buy crypto? Where are your rental properties? Did you even have parents?

>>715522361
two more weeks

>>715522612
>what about those guys
>WHY DON'T YOU GET A JOB
I'm not the one getting fired, unlike your ilk

>Making a game
>Try making my own graphical assets, like the simplest shit like buttons or text boxes in photoshop
>Think it looks too simple and therefore worry people will think it looks like AI
>Add some detail
>Now think people will take the random detail/noise on the picture and think it's AI

>Do programming, learning as I go
>Wonder if people will see all my different styles of code as I learned how to program as AI
>Redo it
>Wonder if my random ass comments will be taken as AI
>Redo it
>Actually use AI to figure out a piece of code because I'm stuck and I wallowed through documentation for 2 hours meanwhile AI finds the 1-5 lines I needed instantly
>Worry now if I have to rewrite the code and possibly break it or else it now counts as being AI generated

It feels like as a developer the best thing you can do is just not give a shit

>>715521896
you're the one drawing dicks you tranny

>>715522886
>It feels like as a developer the best thing you can do is just not give a shit
Correct.

>be me
>artfag
>follow about 100 other artists of various quality
>AI art getting popular
>I don't care
>I just draw
>over half the talented artists I follow stop uploading art and spend all day complaining about AI
>unfollow every single one
>stop spamming my timeline
>a couple of the not-so-talented artists now upload AI art 2-3 times a day instead of their usual 1 a week output
>unfollow every single one
>stop spamming my timeline
>follow about 10 other artists

>be me
>artfag
>1000ish followers
>decide to draw something new
>can't find a decent reference
>AI gen a couple of references
>draw from the references
>"wow, this is much easier and quicker than scrolling through danbooru"
>exclusively use AI for references from now on
>save a lot of time
>upload frequency increases a little
>5000ish followers

There are 3 types of AI response archetypes.
>1. The Anti-AI: Spends all their time seething instead of drawing/coding/writing till everyone hates them.
>2. The AI-Embracer: Spends all their time generating AI and spamfucking their timelines till the algorithm hates them.
>3. The Doesn't Care: Spends their time drawing/coding/writing, maybe uses AI to assist them but doesn't make them do all the work.
Guess which one isn't gonna make it?

>>715524564
AI drew it actually

>>715497651 (OP)
i always get marmots and groundhogs mixed up

>>715524564
>

>>715506413
bro, they all the same. Just pick one and stop sniffing them.

>>715497651 (OP)
> So good luck making shit I wont buy or play.
game industry collapse

>>715500880
everyone i know that is interested in games hates both wokeshit and aisloppa

>>715525838
no one actually hates AI

>>715497651 (OP)
>freetards looking at proprietary chads
>in a thread complaining about proprietary software about an issue free software doesn't have
??????

>>715525948
A million facebook moms scrolling sloppified cats singing pop songs can't be wrong

>>715526382
There are billions of facebook users and most are women. You know 99% of them love that shit.

>be me
>generic mid level tech for IT company
>manage everything except dev
>use copilot to assist with syntax & generic application management
>understand everything it suggests
>saves hours of watching jeetube & reading useless FAQs
Try troubleshooting an obscure issue for days and suffer the pain of a forum mod killing a thread and marking their post as the answer. Embrace AI as a tool or fuck off back to punch cards.

>>715511746
It is amusing that the very people who said there is no God, no soul, mankind is just a biological engine (right or wrong, I'm not judging), are saying nowadays pixel don't have souls, yes. "Ai lacks the soul of mankind" really?

>>715503484
>That's also why the "undressing" loras were banned from Civitai, you can easily take any celebrity and make a consistent, coherent video of her undressing (I was even banned twice on 4chan posting a link to a website that had a link to a video I posted celebrity getting naked, this anger the Jannies very much, even twice removed).

You're not supposed to take two hollywood cebs and make them kneel and kiss each others. You're especially not supposed to make them undress. You're also not supposed to take a picture of a girl cosplaying asuka and make her masturbate before undressing (she 27 last I heard, perfectly legal).

You're not supposed to do a lot of things. Point is, you can now.

uh oh ai shill routine in action

>>715497651 (OP)
Is using AI to spellcheck the dialogue and tooltips okay?
>that's fine because I'm only afraid of new things
I just read your mind.

>>715526002
>'free' software can't use coding assistants
Freetard your brain...

>>715514934
Exception to the rule

>>715528843
free software isn't hamfisting ai into everything the same way proprietary software is. For example, AI assistants are becoming mandatory on windows but not linux.

>>715529352
You have no knowledge of opensource if you say such a moronic idea. Nor corporations. Nor how fucking Google is fucking over literally the entire western hemisphere, or how any of this work.

I'll try to explain it to you, but keep in mind I'm trying to explain several extremely dense concepts in easy words. Microsoft is chasing, like always, the newest trend. It's a corporate design. Google is chasing the newest trend as always, though as always with Google, chasing the newest trend must be balanced on the delicate balance of doing the worst damage possible to the human race. Google has decided that giving AI results on search will not objectively impede their goal of doing the worst damage possible to the human race.

But none of it is present in Open Source projects, thank God. None of the doing the worst damage possible to the human race, or the chasing new trend. That doesn't mean Linux won't get AI, or the Open Source community isn't fascinated by AI (The entire AI community is fucking open source), just that it will take a little bit to properly digest it.

Honestly an AI assistant for say KDE (lmao Gnome) is like a hundred lines of code away.

>>715512586
i went to outback last night
>the menu is AI generated with artifacts everywhere
>show family all the weird errors
>nah i think you're imagining it
i didn't have a problem with it, i gen a LOT. my point is nobody gives a fuck to notice unless some dickhead points it out for social credit or it's really poorly done, which is getting much harder to fuck up by the day.

>>715511434
>you don't have to settle for the first thing the AI gives you and can iterate the same image over and over
>you can add in your own drawing with controlnet and things like the krita extension with denoise settings to limit AI influence
>you can train in your own assets, artstyle, and do things like keyframing between animations and adding style filters that don't destroy what you drew
>you don't have to let the AI do everything for you
sorry the inflation porn commissions are drying up rajesh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envMzAxCRbw