You live in a year where TikTok memes and streamers have more to do with a game's success than gameplay.

>>715510267 (OP)
so stay there, kys

>>715510267 (OP)
it's just marketing, the same as before

>>715510267 (OP)
>game is "DOOD DRUGS"
>sells gangbusters
>forgotten in a puff of smoke less than a month later
not even the first time this happened. drug dealer simulator was the same thing. i am so tired of FOTM content and the hivemind of an algorithm influenced humanity.

>friendslop streamerbait games

>>715510267 (OP)
This is honestly a massive improvement over gaming magazines. What alternate reality do retards live in?

only for pc games, Nintendo games still sell by word of mouth and not OH MY SCIENCE MY FAVORITE STREAMER IS PLAYING THIS AND IT LOOKS SO FUN

>>715510780
it's not an improvement

>>715510780
i found out about all sorts of weird games from gaming magazines that didn't get mainstream attention from the populace. so many DS games that i would not have played had i not flipped through copies of nintendo power and i would not have learned about deadly creatures. sometimes they would only give a couple paragraphs to a game, but they would often do big "round up" style pieces that would be a list of 50 or so games that you may have missed. a little blurb about each game was enough to pique my interest more than a few times and get me to play games that i wouldn't have otherwise because just focusing on what people talk about would only have me playing the most mass appeal games ever. it is also why i like steam sales, the "hidden gem" threads always show me a handful of games i would never have heard of and end up greatly enjoying. i have been playing worlds (2016) and i have been having a blast.

>>715511562
there were so many great games I only discovered because they were on the demo disks that came with game magazines
way better way to discover new games than some boring faggot reading chat donations

So what other ways are there reallly to market a game?
For example I make game, I want people to see it to decide if they want to buy it, what are my options really? Because if I think about it in my head there aren't really much answers
>My Own yt updates
>Yt creators cover it
>Twitch streamers
>Tiktokers
>Post on 4chan? Gonna get pitch forked
>Reddit? If you make the slightest none PC joke, your banned
>Game journos? Who's out there that's not cooked in his head?
>My own blog? No traffic so doesn't solve marketing
>Game 'expo' revealed? Pretty sure these are paid for in some form(but really don't know) also if ur game doesn't tik their boxes you won't get it there probably..

Only answer I reach is have a page on steam and maybe someplace else and grind update posts which is going to take a lot of time investment

>i don't like when games don't appeal to (((me))) specifically
unique take, anon! next you're gonna say you hate trannies

>>715510741
the fact that “friendslop” as a term even exists really says a lot huh

>talented people who actually create things have to grovel at the feet of untalented retards who make nothing
This sincerely angers me. Guys will spend 8 years making their own game from scratch and then act all giddy when some NEET dork streams it to children on Twitch and makes more money doing that than the dev earned. It's disgusting. In my most despondent moments I think the commies might have a point.

>>715512276
are you trying to make money or are you trying to make art and have people play an experience you crafted because you want people to experience something specific?
if the former, don't make your own game.
if the latter, find like minded communities and shill your game to them only after you have a working prototype or even are almost finished. expos are a surprisingly decent way to get noticed, the buy in is usually a surprisingly low amount of money but most devs don't think about that or are so strapped for cash that they can't afford it.
>If you make the slightest none PC joke, your banned
>also if ur game doesn't tik their boxes you won't get it there probably..
what game are you trying to make that you are so afraid of being lambasted for? you aren't making "Kyle's Kryptic Kingdom: a grand wizard adventure!" are you?

>>715512636
>you have to choose between money vs. making something good
DEEPLY unhealthy society.
>PC stuff
People like to hyperbolize this to make themselves feel better I guess, but no, you don't have to make a KKK game to get the freak mob after you. They'll try to destroy your life's work over something as simple as "male/female" options. SEE: Stardew Valley.

>>715512807
>you have to choose between money vs. making something good
that isn't what i said. i said if your motive is purely money, don't make the game. don't waste your time making a suboptimal product and don't throw your slop into the mix, forcing people to wade through even MORE garbage.
if you make a legitimately good piece of art that resonates with people, people will enjoy it. just start with making something good first. after you have made what you've wanted, what you think is good, find places that might enjoy what you like and let them know about it. shill your game in hidden gem threads, shill your game on reddit, send copies to youtubers/streamers (try smaller streamers, they are more likely to play it than larger streamers who have tons of people trying to do the same thing or being outright paid to do it. "games from my inbox" was a great youtube series where superbunnyhop went through his email offers and played games he'd never heard of before and liked). send your game to alphabetagamer on youtube. make a twitter and have decent community engagement. try and get in a next fest and have people play your demo.
>People like to hyperbolize this to make themselves feel better I guess, but no, you don't have to make a KKK game to get the freak mob after you.
i agree that i was hyperbolizing, but the point remains: what do you want to make that you are already so paranoid about it?
>They'll try to destroy your life's work over something as simple as "male/female" options. SEE: Stardew Valley.
now you are hyperbolizing yourself. your example is a massively successful game as having their life's work destroyed? huh? not to mention that progressive politics are fading in popularity. what this sounds like to me is you playing up just how touchy the mob is to justify that what you want to make is actually acceptable, "if only they weren't so touchy". what did you want to make?

I live in a year where I continue to play the shit I want to play and don't care what tiktok and streamers do or even are.

>>715512636
A game that id want to play, small sims like thing with one bot who could do lots of things, the idea is to practice making a bot. I do want the game also sellable and fleshed out obviously not just an experiment tier mechanics, but if only 5 people enjoy it/recipocate even if it's something I wanted to make, it would still be a disappointment.
Don't know any place for communities other than 4chan, reddit, and itch.
And what game? You play with a bot which would be a hot female, no gay shit no trans shit and no degenerate shit, but I do intend to make it as much open for what you want to do as possible, example if you block the door to the house and food in there runs out she dies etc. the player can attack things so.. he can swing and hit the bot, and the bot will respond. Player can push items, so he can also push bot, there is also a pit of fire in game so player can push bot into the pit of fire.
But just the thought of allowing the player to treat the female bot like shit and have mechanics around it, I'm pretty sure reddit communities will see it, boil it down to a single word that ignores all other contex and then ban. Maybe your right and it's not like that, but from the behaviour I've seen this is the conclusion I reach. Why engage with such dishonest place?

Not 'kkk the grand wizard', more like I got 'isekaied into another world and now I must fight off orcs and goblins with the village hoe' not rpgm

>>715510267 (OP)
Is that better then previous years where it was marketing and advertising that decided a games success rather then gameplay?

>>715513789
>describes the game
>it is just a woman torture simulator
>"LOL she's a bot so it isn't actually depraved!"
literally "she's actually a 5000 year old vampire" logic. this shit sounds terrible and you sound retarded, lmao. anyways, make you game and sell it on a porn site, you will find buyers.

>>715513529
Not the one you responded to but
> if your motive is purely money, don't make the game. don't waste your time making a suboptimal product and don't throw your slop into the mix, forcing people to wade through even MORE garbage.
I don't think this is entirely true, my motive can be money, but also not compromise on mechanics, or things 'because other big games did it' have the balls to reach your own decision what is good and stick with it. But I'm also not game/dev experienced so Its just an un-tested value I pulled out of my ass. But I'd like to adhere to, as a gamer I see what missing mechanics in an X type of game are really rubbing me wrong.


Example of 'touchy mob' >>715514114, Misses the point of whats been said which was having as much interactabilty as possible.
Jumps to the conclusion that the game is the 2 examples yet ignoring the"it's not going to be degen shit".
He seen something, jumped to pre-made conclusion, ignores the other said stuff that doesn't fit his 'conclusion'. No thought, no imagination(how what's said can be extrapolated to other systems)
and shit talks. Imagine I had a profile linked to this acc and 1000 people would have seen it. There gonna be some retards on a way higher tier than him
>>715514114
Also this sounds so retarded I would have believed this is bait, but I've also seen r/gamingcirclejerk and apparently there are tens of thousands like you who say stuff like that with 100% beliefe and intent

>>715514845
your motive should not be money. you'd make more money, more reliably, and more immediately by just being a line cook at a restaurant. that is why it should not be your motive, because it is a bad way to go about your end goal. your goal should be making art that you want to make and think is important and making money should just be a means to an end of doing that.
>Misses the point of whats been said which was having as much interactabilty as possible.
no, i didn't miss the point. you could have used a million different examples to demonstrate of the interactivity of the bot/game, but instead you said
>hit it
>push it in a fire pit
>starve it (do bots need food?)
it clearly shows what you are thinking about when you say you want to make a game with a "hot female bot with high interactivity". every example of interactivity you gave is about abusing the "hot female bot". maybe if you framed it differently, that is not the conclusion i would have reached. but you clearly just want a game that let's you beat women and the whole "bot" thing is just a pretense to absolve you of any negative emotions that might arise when confronted with the fact that you want a woman abuse simulator.

>>715510780
paying for it sucked but gaming magazine was definitely better, and had more effort put into it

>>715515528
>gaming magazine was definitely better, and had more effort put into it

>>715510267 (OP)
As opposed to paid reviews by kike journos giving shittendo crap 10/10 every time?

>>715516216
at least it's about video games instead of
>yo chat did you hear about the latest youtube e-celeb drama?

>>715517125
>"latest youtube e-celeb drama"
>it's actually about a total corruption in video gaming industry, kike propaganda ruining good franchises and total incompetence of leftist devs
Yeah, I'd pick actual news over kike bullshit anytime.

>>715515332
Maybe it shows what I have in mind maybe it doesn't.
What it was were 2 examples directly for what was said above "what game are you trying to make that you are so afraid of being lambasted for?"
What did you want me to say? The trees will be green? You can cut down trees or use the axe on anything else in game? Why would I be lambasted for it?

'hot female' is an example that it is not dei black strong afro gay wheelchair with arachnophobia bitch. perhaps that fell through, sure.

Hit it - example that hitting is a mechanic in game, instead of limiting it, leave it unlimited result you can hit bot. (Ohh it's just woman torture simulator)
Pushing is a mechanic, you can even push bot. There for everything is pushable in the game.
These weren't examples out of the void but in context. Relevant to the 'touchy mob'. As to what there will in the game people will get mad about.

So Yes you absolutely missed the point since you invited the question, it was answered directly, you know the information is limited, yet instead of asking a question you jumped to some weird 'meme' accusatory statement. '5000 old' meaning it's loli shit, meaning it pedo shit. Gtfo

You acted as the so called 'touchy mob', instead of honestly answering(maybe your sentiment is an honest representation of how these communities will react)

And now you are doubling down.
>but you clearly just want a game that let's you beat women and the whole "bot" thing is just a pretense to absolve you of any negative emotions that might arise when confronted with the fact that you want a woman abuse simulator
You reached your conclusion based on limited information and now nothing I can say will change it and talking to you will only make it spiral worse.

>>715518369
lol

>>715515528
what does effort matter? and it's not true anyway, the magazine just shows you pictures of a game and is free to lie all they want
a streamer or youtuber playing a game for money means that - at most - all they can do is hype up the game and sweep problems under the rug because you are watching actual gameplay and can draw your own conclusions from it

>>715518369
>describe your game
>say game focuses on a "hot female bot" and the interactivity with the bot
>explanations of interactions are all about how you can torture the fembot
>"NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! IT ISN'T ABOUT TORTURING THE FEMBOT!"
you could have said that there is a high degree of interactivity, given examples that are less extreme and then stated your worry about responses to the systems allowing the player to be depraved if they so choose rather than limiting the players ability to do depraved things (ex: little lamplight in fallout 3 stopping you from murdering the children). but you didn't. an explanation of your game idea was about how you can torture a fembot.

PR is all about framing and if you frame your basic explanation of the game as "you can torture a fembot", people are reasonably going to think that is the focus and throw labels at you. weird shit can absolutely be put in games and be sold and have a fanbase that enjoys it (ex: beyond citadel). you can still make the game and find an audience for it, you just need to know to market it to that audience. which is why i suggested selling it on a site that allows porn. it is an idea that sounds like it would do well with an audience of people who are into virtual torture.

>>715510267 (OP)
btr

>>715510267 (OP)
Thought that was Ulmeyda at first

>>715517360
>sperging about some video game drama, and getting obsessed with jewish biased opinions (as if that doesn't exist outside of this industry), and watching grifter's video about that 24/7
>instead of ignoring all the marketing bullshit, letting all the bullshit review scores pass-by as if it didn't matter (because they don't), and play games that you have interest-in and form your own opinion about the game
I feel sorry for you

>>715510267 (OP)
The fact that Yakuza of all games addresses this is so funny to me.

Yes anon, thats called marketing.
Games can be good and not be successful.
And this was before the streamer shit, or even youtube.
Stop being a nostalfag retard.
Shit was better in some things before, but not this one. This was garbage.

>>715523921
>Shit was better in some things before, but not this one. This was garbage.
disagree. the problem with the old days was the barrier to publishing. before xbox live marketplace and steam opening things up to indie devs, indie games were basically nonexistant. you were at the whims of the major publishers. the magazines were good because they were able to cover most games that came out (whereas major publishers only cover major games they think there is already interest in) and actually had to provide something worth it to the reader because the reader was paying for them. there were dev interviews, spotlight put on AA and A games, demo discs, sometimes had community art sections, reviews that actually put effort into playing the game, etc. the magazine WAS ultimately just marketing, just an ad, but it was a lot higher value than some chick with giant tits and lowcut top badly playing a game while making jokes about foot fetishes OR some obscenely loud, cringey retard who ignores 90% of a game and doesn't understand its mechanics just to rush through it because that is more entertaining for the audience than actually engaging with it.
also, yes, journos were always retarded (pic related). but streamers are worse. defending the current status quo is a horrible thing.

>>715510780
>gachanigger
>awful opinion
every single time

>>715519170
Intentional misrepresentation
Gaslighting
>Hot female bot .. no degen shit
'nah I'll ignore the latter'
High degree of interactivety: " I do intend to make it as much open for what you want to do as possible, example if you block the door to the house and food in there runs out she dies"
An example of interacting with the environment, effecting the bot, cause and effect. Followed by two more extreme examples that won't be liked by different communities if posted there, stated that these will be boiled down to a single word. (Not from my description like happening here, but ex posting a game trailer)
Literally what I was worried about happening here on a tiny micro level.

In any case, the original point what ways are there really to market a game? even if I change up the wording and show less 'extreme' examples (simple ex: bot can forage, prepare mats, cook, store in fridge eat. as a player you can just go and steal the food, which than bot hungry and cooks again, or as player you can forage/prep/cook and now there is less tasks for bot, so it does something else, system will be more dynamic than this )
With the point of the game not being loli shit, degen shit, but having 'open' mechanics.
Mechanics that allow you to do what some would think might be a 'torture simulator' make it seem to me like marketing is limited. Again what is there really other than 4chan and plebbit? On reddit I assume allowing such things will make people gaslight it into being mysogenic and therefore banned and 4chan doesn't take shilling well at all. Not sure what sites allow porn other than dl-site and steam, but thats selling not marketing.

But yeah I like the citadel example will look wth did they do

>>715510780
>publishers are forced to fill the pockets of ejewlebs or the game will fail
>massive improvement

>>715525737
you market on twitter, 4chan, reddit, and to smaller internet personalities. even go into discords to chat about it. once you have a decent product to show off, try and get into steam next fest. there's loads of absolute slop there and if you make something that actually looks half decent then people will try the demo. sounds like an immersive sim you want to make, add that tag and more people who want a game with high interactivity will see it and try it.
>twitter
the face for your project and things that inspire you. try to avoid politics either which way, be vague in any actual beliefs you have, post shit you like, interact with other indie devs and people who are talking about games. get in on current memes and trends to try and hit the algorithm for visibility.
>4chan
post in the amateur game dev general on /vg/, get some people to know about your project, post about it when you see threads on /v/ about "hidden gems" or "upcoming games". don't make threads shilling it, but threads will come along where you can mention it and people won't get uppity. look at peripeteia.
>reddit
depending on what type of game yours is, you can find all sorts of random, smaller subreddits to shill it to. don't do this until you are closer to release or having something to show off. don't shill to a community that is too large, you will be ignored under a mountain of crap AND you risk too much visibility which isn't what you want when you think the content is too racy.
>discord
random streamers discords can give you a place to chat and shill your game. might get banned from some of them for shilling, but who gives a fuck?
>smaller internet personalities
send free steam codes to internet personalities to try the game out. they might do nothing with it, but some of them will be happy to be given "free content". there are some youtube channels that specifically highlight indie games that don't have much visibility otherwise, like the aforementioned "alphabetagamer".

>>715525737
>But yeah I like the citadel example will look wth did they do
game dev had a very clear ecchi guro fetish. actually worked well to the game's favour, where a lot of people just saw "doom/marathon clone", people were able to say "actually the game has some pretty depraved art that sets it apart from most other games". gave some minor infamy and more reach than it would have if they sanitized it.

>>715510267 (OP)