Remember when people used to think this was the best Ratchet game?

>>715510989 (OP)
2 is the best game
3 is full of lame gimmicks

>>715510989 (OP)
It never happened.
2 has always been the best and always will.

>>715511052
Not OP, but 3 was widely considered the best game for many years while 2 was the flawed game.

Now, we can safely say that they're both shit. Just play the first game and don't touch any of the sequels.

>>715510989 (OP)
Best Ratchet game is 1st one. And its the only good game in the franchise.

I really liked the bestiary in 2

>>715511126
>Not OP, but 3 was widely considered the best game for many years while 2 was the flawed game.
Shut up OP

Ratchet 1
>best story, worst gameplay
Ratchet 2
>worst story, best gameplay
Ratchet 3
>2nd best story, still good gameplay
Deadlocked
>ok story, good but tired gameplay

3 is the peak of the franchise in spite of its flaws and rushed development. It brings the whole cast together, has a great villain (before he was abused in subsequent entries), and has a solid roster of weapons, a really good arena, and good pacing in the campaign.

>>715511042
>>715511052
2 sucks, the gameplay is good but the plot is so fucking bad

>>715511317
Good thing gameplay matters more

>>715511317
What's wrong with the plot? The lighthearted jokey nature of it fits the series well imo

>>715511195
Deadlocked was monumentally hampered by the lack of Clank.

>>715510989 (OP)
It has always been the best Ratchet game
A cabal of YouTube essayists churning out slop for normalfags won't change that fact.
Ratchet 2 will never be superior to 3

>>715511195
Deadlocked had the best gameplay

>>715510989 (OP)
Because it is

I have not played any of these games since release why are you guys suddenly drawing a line in the sand between R&C and GC

Strafing ruined Ratchet and Clank.The original game's combat benefitted from its limited mobility by making you have to consider what the best weapon for the job was. It made each encounter feel almost like a puzzle. In every game after you just spam strafe jump and use whatever. It made combat mindless.

>>715511195
Mostly agreed but I think Deadlocked had a better story than 3. Nefarious carried the game's plot but he didn't have much motivation other than hating quark, and the main plot point was quark's weaksauce redemption arc. Deadlocked had a totally new theme of being in the same predicament the whole game and not a galactic adventure like the first 3. Plus the commentators and behind the scenes pro-wrestling like conflicts were refreshing changes of pace.

>>715510989 (OP)
It still is, but 2 is also acceptable as an answer.
ToD onwards is ass except for crack in time which is just playable

Worth it for her.

>>715510989 (OP)
1 >= 3 > 2 > DL

1 has the most soul, the best story, and the best OST
2 has the most "that parts"
3 has the best controls and arsenal, and the best arena
DL is a worse version of 3

>>715511657
Deadlocked was depressing.

>>715511810
It's hard to be depressed with charge boots + leviathan flail

>>715511419
No stakes, random adventure not even in the same galaxy, Angela is poorly written, and they retconned Quark into the story super late into development and it shows

>>715511810
What are you, a 12 year old girl?
The game just had an honest message about selling your soul for profit and the risk of becoming someone you're not for material gain. It's less happy go lucky than the past games but it's hardly a sad story. It's tragic only for Ace but he was a douchebag the whole game anyway.

>>715511380
Gameplay lacks behind the third game

>>715511695
>Shaped like a sexy human woman
>Ratchet is inexplicably attracted to this
>Tries to hit on her and gets shot down
You bet your ass I spammed the Miniturret Glove on her. Not the shitty v5 verison that shoots rockets. The v4 version that shoots ice rounds with insane DPS.

Once again /v/ using modern day nit picking on an old game that was a gem during its time. Nothing more nothing less.

>>715511708
The only thing that holds back 3 from being definitively the best is lack of alternate paths on many of the planets. 1 and 2 had at least 1 extra tangential exploratory paths in every level, so you feel the absence of them in 3, especially no grind rails.

where can I emulate these games?

>>715511195
3's story sucked, there was no central theme and Nefarious had no real motivation for being evil

>>715512253
get the roms and play them on PCSX2. Run it on OpenGL with basic blending or Vulkan with high blending. Don't play the PS3 versions because they're dogshit ports with broken models, transparency effects, and missing sounds.

>>715512253
ps2.com, friend

>>715512391
>>715512416
thanks, anons, I appreciate it a lot.

I just wish they would let insomniac out of the spider man sweatshop to do the 2 remake they teased in the first one

Or just another game, ps2 had 3, ps3 had 3 so far ps4 and 5 have had but a single ratchet game each

>>715511042
>2 is the best game
>>715511052
>2 has always been the best and always will.
How can a sequel possibly be good? Old game good, new game bad, no?

>>715512281
The cartoon villain's name is Dr. Nefarious and yoi're asking for motivation

>>715512552
Drek and Quark had motivation, Nefarious has no excuse

>>715511160
3 has obani gemini though

>>715512281
It was a character driven story. Not everything needs to be media literacyslop with an obvious central theme. Nefarious doesn't need some complex motivation, we're talking about a literal children's game anon, he was just a funny psycho nerd with a chip on his shoulder.

Isn't the OG trilogy already remaster and on PC?

>>715512635
He's robot Hitler. Shut the fuck up.

>>715512675
never ever

>>715510989 (OP)
It's still baffling to me how that title was approved

>>715512674
Drek had a reason for being evil, he was a greedy fuck. Nefarious is evil just for the sake of being evil. Again, there's no excuse when the first game already introduced a villain with proper motivation

>>715512653
>dat music
hnng

>>715512635
Revenge against captain quark you dummy

there's an entire 5 minigame series (most of which are mandatory) explaining the background between Quark and Nefarious

So you didn't play the game huh?

>>715510989 (OP)
Nobody said that.
2 was always considered the best and it still is.

Arguably, I'd put 3 as the worst of the PS2 titles.

>>715512718
Oh. I swear I played it in PC once. Must have been the emulator thing. I wish that shit worked for the Resistance trilogy.

>>715512754
Quark bullied him in high school and threw him into a giant trash compactor, turning him into a robot. He resents this and wishes to inflict his pain on everyone else.

The multiplayer was actually pretty good tho. Never had ps2 online but with 4 player splitscreen it was still a blast

>>715512772
>Revenge against captain quark you dummy
Doesn't explain why he wanted to turn everyone else into robots

>>715512754
>Again,
>I'm going to repeat myself, again
>That's right
>I'm using circular reasoning
>I'm ignoring everyone
>I'm locked in!
Stop being retarded.

>>715512882
It's his way of coping

>>715512856
It's actually because it was specifically in Biology class where he got bullied, hence why he said he always hated biology and why he wanted to turn everyone into robots.

>>715512281
3 is really funny and hits the nail on the head for most of its jokes and dialogues and scenes. It's really good on that basis alone. Maybe Deadlocked is the better story but it could be argued to lack a similar level of execution.

>>715512890
You haven't made any actual counterpoint so yeah I'm gonna say the same thing

>>715511517
Yes, my favorite weapons in 1 were the setup ones, mines, taunter, the bots protecting you, agents of doom, and so on

>>715512163
You get the memo.

>>715512635
>Qwark's motivation is revenge against Ratchet and Clank
This is good
>Nefarious's motivation is revenge against Qwark
This is bad

Are you a retard or something?

>>715511517
I disagree, not being able to target an enemy in front of you without doing a little circular jog gets really annoying. It's the absence of platforming sections as the series goes on that makes later entries feel braindead

>>715511517
This. 1 was the only game that made you actually use your brain in combat

>>715513110
Even if you dislike the way you handle fighting without strafing you have to admit that strafing turned this into a nobrainer strafe+jump to win

>>715513071
>>715512882

>>715510989 (OP)
You're right, people have since wisened witht he years and realized it was CHADiator all along.

>>715510989 (OP)
>had PS2
>still haven't played this
One day, one day. We didn't have money for buying new games often. UYA was apparently so beloved it was hardly available to rent at Blockbuster. By time I got my first job PS4 was out and I was already invested in other series. Still, I know I'll enjoy catching up when I can.

>>715512745
context made it really seem like it was just about guns and gear
even my mom didn't see anything perverse about it and just thought the (cartoon) violence was a concern

>>715512882
To enslave them. They clearly don't retain their free will when transformed into a robot, as we see with Skidd

>>715513171
KEK
I'm glad to see someone else noticed the similarity

>>715513171
KEK

>>715512745
Likely because "Arse" isnt a swearword in America. As a kid it went completely over my head. The titles that got rejected that I know of were "4play" for the co op game and "clock blockers" for the one with time travel.

>>715513071
I've seen this psychological trap before. Anon says something silly, people call him out, and it makes him dig his heels in. Dude's a slave to his ego.

>>715512240
3 by far had the most cut content because of multiplayer unfortunately

>>715513141
If you consider being able to consistently aim at your target a nobrainer strat then sure, but I don't think the games suffer for it. 2 and 3 compensate by adding more enemies to encounters. I agree it somewhat removes the utility from picking certain weapons for specific encounters, but there's so many weapons in 2 and 3 that cover the same bases that it really becomes about pick what you like rather than pick what you need. You still get motivated to use different guns by the want to upgrade them

>>715513405
In the UK 2 was called "going commando" which is a popular expression that means you aren't wearing underwear

>>715513520
I thought it was locked and loaded in PAL regions

>>715511160
Meds

>>715513483
The issue is how indistinct it gets after that. You still get some utility weapons and some fun things to play with but there's no game design necessity, you can strafe+jump and shoot with almost anything (Bouncer, Rocket Launcher, gatling, shotgun, grenade launcher even the sniper rifle) and it'll play the same and nets you somewhat similar results

Since Ratchet aims automatically while strafing all you have to do is dodge the bullets and to do that you can just keep strafing in one direction and add jumps on top of that. It's just too powerful

>>715513520
It was called going commando in the states. What I don't understand is why 4 was called deadlocked here but gladiator abroad

>>715513548
In europe yeah, in the UK the cover just says ratchet and clank 2, but the official website reffered to it as going commando

Weird how things used to be in the day, now i think the only time titles are different is Japan/rest of the world

>>715513613
My guess is that Deadlocked sounds much more grimdark and edgy which, in 2005/06 when the game came out was extremely in style, back when games like Shadow the hedgehog were also coming out and stores like Hot Topic were at their peak of popularity.
t. 30+ year old amerifat

>>715513595
This is honestly why the ps3 ones felt so good to play. Actually having a proper aiming ability and not having to use the auto aim while moving was great

>>715513805
What? There was never auto aim in these games. Just weapons that aim themselves, like the turrets and Agents of Doom.

Speaking of such weapons, Rift Apart suffered from having too many weapons like that. You didn't have to do anything but deploy 4 weapons that played the game for you and that was it. There was the freezer gun, the sprinkler gun, the zurkon family, and I'm pretty sure there was another. I remember every boss being a cheese fest of deploying a weapon that locks in place, then another weapon with high damage.

I'm shocked at how I didn't hate Rivet, by the way. I was so ready to hate her, but she wasn't want I thought she'd be.

>>715511195
Deadlocked had great gameplay wtf are you talking about ?
Its the only r&c I fully 100%ed (or hell, 200%ed since I finished the game at least 10 times on the same save) except 2

>>715513805
PS3 games play like the PS2 ones with one exception
You have the regular lock on, which is the green circle that shows up with basically every weapon from 2 onwards. It makes you strafe left and right.
And then you have the "real" lock on which you unlock in 2 by buying it from Slim Cognito to upgrade some weapons, and in 3 by upgrading your weapons. It shows the enemy's healthbar and makes you actually CIRCLE around them rather than go left and right

I think the PS3 games all use the basic lock on but I'm not sure

>>715513595
I guess so, but it's not like it's any less fun. Insomniac knew and accounted for it I think decently for the most part. You still have to consider your positioning and manage your ammo. Sometimes you get put in tight corridors where you can't just circlestrafe around. Or sections like that part on Daxx on the island where there's many little biter enemies and then those flying chaingun guys that fuck you up from afar. I think to say it ruined the franchise is a big stretch. It could definitely have been better if there were more combat sections mixed with puzzle platforming. Also having Ratchet be able to jump during the gravity/magnet boot sections was a mistake

>>715514220
>I think to say it ruined the franchise is a big stretch
Yeah that's clearly hyperbole, everyone loves some Ratchet 2-4. I guess anon is overcompensating because 1's style of gameplay is underrated despite being very valid and cool in its own way.

>>715514191
It's still good but it's the same gameplay as 2 and 3, but this time without clank. That's why I said good but tired. I didn't play the PS3 games so idk what they did to change things up afterwards, but it felt like they were running out of ideas by that point. The most novel thing in deadlocked are the robot squad you can command around, but even then I mostly just ignore them except to revive when they occasionally die

>>715514345
Deadlock is a bit different from the rest, but I feel like its more to do with the fast paced action that having challenges instead of the whole adventure aspect
It controls the same, but the way you play and how the game feels in general is different imo.

>>715510989 (OP)
i always want to revisit 1 but i don’t know how anyone can tolerate the “hee hee you said [sex pun]” humor past 13

>>715514706
you must be a real joyless sod

>>715514706
The sex jokes aren't like this and they're hits more often than not

Essential features (from past Ratchet titles) that should be in a new one? Or even just a game in the style. Just for my own notes.

>>715514275
>1's style of gameplay is underrated despite being very valid
What do you mean by valid?

I was saying 1 was the best and that 2 and 3 progressively shittified it for years now. People would dogpile me and call me a retard. Now suddenly I see several threads shitting on 3 for the bad level design, pointless exp systems, and bad writing, just like I was saying. So what gives? Let me guess: someone made a Youtube video

Post some great tracks from the OSTs you fucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlaGd4zYex4

>>715511042
3 has best villain

Why is 2 so forgettable? I've beaten it many times, last time in December and i always forget what happened in it

Starting a fresh Deadlocked save on the highest difficulty is a lot of fun. You're really limited on ammo so you have to make shots count, group enemies together for big hits, make sure you're using efficient weapon mods (like putting the shock mod on the Dual Vipers to 1 hit all the swarmer enemies) all while avoiding damage since you can only take 1 or 2 hits. I think this really fits with the theme of the game too since the audience probably loves seeing you blow up 8 guys at once, I think they should have added a more fleshed out scoring system or something to encourage you to show off for the camera.

When I played through the game on on normal difficulty it felt lame and every mission left me with a "that's it?" feeling since they were so short. But replaying on the highest difficulty and having to be conscious of enemy positions and ammo and stuff while avoiding damage makes it feel much more substantial. Though I still think it's weird that the game is based around arena combat has much shorter arena missions than the ones in 2/3.

>>715515539
The levels are very memorable but the plot isn't amazing, although there's some decent foreshadowing for Qwark being the villain
Qwark really became too much in 3 though

>>715514706
then skip the cutscenes? what an autistic post

>>715515539
Story is literally just chasing some guy but he conveniently escapes at the last minute for the whole game until the end where you fight a giant furby

>>715515415
By "valid" I mean the lack of strafing is a meaningful design choice rather than something that is lacking because of developers being inept. It all builds up to something that is interesting in its own way, that could have been explored more in sequels. You might prefer strafing style Ratchet, or not, but either way they're not competing in the same area.

>>715515569
Gonna be funny to see Ratchet Prime done for a new generation someday (FPS or VR)

>>715515346
characters not talking during gameplay
establishing shots of levels without interrupting gameplay
helipack and rocket pack having different moves
gimmicky/novel weapons like the visibomb gun
standardised damage values across the whole game

basically just copy ratchet 1 and build upon it

>>715515962
>Ratchet Prime

i never knew i wanted this until now

>>715516140
Thanks for tackling both those posts.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from. What would you think about having optional prompts to get the thoughts of characters/analysis on stuff? Purely optional context that anyone can opt into/out of.

>>715516140
>helipack and rocket pack having different moves
This, 1 did it really well

>gimmicky/novel weapons like the visibomb gun
Gimmick weapons were always the best.

>>715516140
>characters not talking during gameplay
>establishing shots of levels without interrupting gameplay
This this this

>>715516356
It wouldn't be as intrusive but that silence and loneliness are important to the atmosphere I think. Pic related

>>715510989 (OP)
Is there a villain that is more forced than Dr Nefarious? I can’t think of anyone who genuinely likes him or find him funny.

>>715516758
Nef was the best character in his original appearance in UYA. The problem is he got milked and flanderized

>>715516702
Very good point. Perhaps, then, it could be an optional element for a replay/NG+ kind of mode. Same with an equivalent text-based thing, I suppose.

>>715515346
Literally just do the things Insomniac refuses to do to evolve the series
RA is a template of how you don't try to evolve from the PS2 games while ACiT is still the only Future game that made an honest attempt at it
>Decide whether you're doing R&C1 style (platformer with 3rd person shooting gameplay) or 2-RA style (3rd person shooter with platforming) and stick to it
>Levels should not be long but still have good pacing. Follow the effective formula of a couple arena rooms that lead into a platforming section and repeat
>Levels should have side paths and secret paths
>Include more environmental hazards that change gameplay mechanics (basic shit like moon gravity or ice level having interactions with fire weapons)
>Actually evolve the spaceship and space combat gameplay
>Have enemy and boss variety. Do not reuse the same handful of enemies and spam the same miniboss all the time like RA did (and ACiT with Vorselon)
>If you force a sidekick character that has his own missions, try making the gameplay actually fun since ACiT Clank levels are the closest thing to that
>Deadlock's weapon mod system and gameplay
>Don't make too many autopilot weps
>Avoid making weps that have the exact same use case. Weps can perform similar roles (Single target, AoE etc) but they should all play and feel different in gameplay
>Avoid making gadgets that only exist for a couple minor interactions like Ratchet 2 & 3 are guilty of. If a gadget does not have multiple uses then don't bother making it
>Mobility gadgets good
>Avoid gimmick side content e.g. R&C3 quark levels. If you are doing these, then make them optional extras for fun
>If you do a HUB-like area then make meaningful side content missions like how ACiT made a (lackluster) attempt with the moons
>If you do wep XP, don't radically change how a weapon works like Meteor Gun or RYNO 3

>>715518075
Also, if you're actually going to make a R&C-like then don't do the thing that other R&C-like indie game did, where it was just a literal ripoff of R&C that didn't evolve anything. That indie game is basically ToD-tier, and if I want to play ToD, I'll just play that.
Insomniac has clearly run out of ideas for what to do for R&C given RA (aka ToD 2), we don't need a ToD 3

If you want your indie game to stand out then either commit to the R&C 1 style and evolve it or do the 2-RA style and evolve that (or an unexpected genre mix that works)
Don't give us the same shit R&C does because R&C is one of the few scrimblo games where Insomniac has done a lot right (despite the staleness we currently have) so it's harder to make an appealing "-like" game for that since most fans are satisfied with R&C given the amount of games we have and how Ratchet never died unlike all the others.
R&C fans aren't begging for a "-like" game to be made, if anything they'd prefer a high quality fangame that shows new ideas, so the only way an R&C-like is going to stand out is if it brings some actual evolution or is some unexpected mix of genres that somehow works really well like how Pizza Tower is Wario Land + Sonic

If you've played the entire series, then there's a mountain of things you can do to easily improve on the formula that would let you easily BTFO Insomniac. My last post doesn't even get into it with how surface level it was, but there's so much more you can do with the gameplay style that I hate how lazy modern Insomniac is so I wouldn't mind an R&C-like so long as it's an actual "-like" game that evolves the gameplay and isn't a ripoff

>>715515346
Literally just give Ratchet a personality again, as well as the crude humor that was stripped clean.
Make him an asshole if you have to.
Don't make him "quippy" though like Marvel garbage.

>>715518075
>>715518436
>>715518585
Thanks for taking the time out of your day. A lot of what you've said definitely brings back memories, like I can understand what you mean.

>>715512754
Are you like 12 years old? Who the fuck about "motivation", did the Marquis de Sade have proper motivation to be evil?

>remindee they were able to release a ratchet and clank game PER YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS
>niw you’re lucky to get one per generation
>this is entirely hampered by insane graphics fidelity needs that only end up taking away from visual clarity

This shit needs to CHANGE.

The Ratchet and Clank series, especially the PS2 games, has to be the biggest case of "retards argue over which 10/10 game is slightly better than the other 10/10 game" in gaming

>>715515569
Playing a fresh file on exterminator is the only actual friction you will ever get playing ratchet, it's not the hardest thing in the world but for a ratchet game it keeps you on your toes
There hasn't been anything remotely as hard since then which is a shame
and god damn I love ratchet's armor in deadlocked, I squealed when it came back in rift apart it's fucking sexy

>>715518075
>R&C3 quark levels
Those are good fun.

>>715511042
fpbp

For me, it's A Crack in Time.

>>715511317
Who the FUCK cares about story in these games

>>715510989 (OP)
Tools of destruction has the only serious villain

>>715525552
I still go back to the teaser trailer now and then. It really inspired younger me who owes his Jak 4 concepts to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jO5t-yqZ30

>>715511195
1 absolutely does not have the worst gameplay retard.

It just plays more like an action game and is more up-close and challenging. 1 also has by far the best level design (part of gameplay)

>>715525552
How many times have they reused the "Ratchet has a chance to see the lombaxes but chooses not to so he can stay with his friends" plot?

It's at least 3 times now.

>>715510989 (OP)
I still think it's near the top, and I don't care that a bunch of pseuds watched a youtube analysis talking about how unfinished it is that they parrot.

>>715525776
If 1 doesn't have the worst gameplay then which one is it? Because generally that's the one that people have a hard time going back to after all the QOL of 2 and beyond
>inb4 shitty spinoffs like that clank PSP game

It's so good and yet so sauceless... how is it possible...

>>715529104
Too many autopilot weapons. Rivet surprises you by not being a mary sue replacement of Ratchet.

>>715510989 (OP)
How do they emulate now? Are they still a bitch?

1 is the best overall
2 is incredibly fun but has some really unbalanced choices, especially during the late game, and some bugs like the zodiac not working most of the times
3 has the best humor in the series imho, and Nefarious is one of if not my most favorite antagonist ever

>>715512882
He was bullied in biology class, Qwarks bullying instilled in him a subconcious hatred for organic life that he wants to purge and control so he doesn't have to feel like a bullied victim

>>715511042
FPBP
>>715511052
SPBP

>>715529104
>completely sterile writing
>a fucking iframe dodge in a Ratchet game
Nah, it sucked.