Thread 715529391

Bananza took eight years to make.

Nintendo will NOT be able to produce a follow up in a reasonable amount of time.

>>715529391 (OP)
>I'm a nintendo expert because my uncle works there

>>715529391 (OP)
This shit will be so ass

>>715529391 (OP)
I don't know but it really looks like tendie slop to me, maybe it will be good but it's certainly one of the ugliest game Nintendo put out and the digging everywhere sounds a like a gimmick. I wouldn't be surprised if they shoehorned DK into an otherwise experimental project.

>>715529391 (OP)
Bananza also was finished back in 2021, if was shelved because EPD8 couldn't dumb down the game for Switch 1.

>>715529391 (OP)
Man, even Nintendo fell for long dev time shit.

who the fuck is seanmalstrom?

heavily doubt it
nintendo games are cheap as fuck to make, low resolution cartoony assets, barely any writing or voice acting, simplistic environments
it all seems like very simple code and the only hard working people there are really just level designers

>>715530176
You base that off what exactly? can you compare it to another game

>>715530290
my own eyes? nintendo has a consistent artstyle, they can recycle almost everything
they don't spend that much on voice acting, it's all cheap grunts
the game code? destructive environments may be somewhat difficult but it's been done to death by others already
that only leaves level design as the shit they actually have to work on

>>715530162
A Nintendo fan that fell out of love with gaming a long time ago but sticks around because he dedicated too much of his life to it. Basically, the average /v/ poster.

>>715531150
Then your a retard and have zero understanding of gameplay design, mechanics and how they are made lmao.

>nintendo has a consistent artstyle
So does most companies you retard. Sony, microsoft etc.

> they can recycle almost everything
they don't spend that much on voice acting, it's all cheap grunts
voice acting is cheap regardless lmao and doesnt impact budget really at all. You think ben starr is some multimillion dollar actor?

You know nothing about game design lmao

>>715529391 (OP)
>Bonanza

And I won't read anything else

>>715529391 (OP)
>Shitting on Yoshi's Island

I hate boomers with a passion.

>>715529391 (OP)
>Didn't like Yoshi's Island
Opinion discarded

>>715529391 (OP)
>Sean malstrom
Isn't that the "I play games for CONTENT, not gameplay" faggot?

>>715531638
>So does most companies you retard. Sony, microsoft etc.
what
realistic isn't an artstyle and it ages incredibly rapidly
do you even fucking know what an artstyle is?
point is that nintendo has solidified what their marioverse artstyle is and they're undoubtedly already recycling it

>voice acting is cheap regardless lmao and doesnt impact budget really at all. You think ben starr is some multimillion dollar actor?
and putting shit in textboxes is even cheaper
their stories are the least complex shit on the planet, any tranny could write them

that only leaves doing work on level design

I'd be impressed if any Nintendo game cost as much as 1/3 of a game like Spider Man or The Last of Us. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were made on AA budgets in comparison.

Malstrom's been sperging a lot about Bananza. Which is kind of amazing, considering how much he used to emphasize 'Uh ACTUALLY I only loved Mario because of the WORLD."

why does every game take almost a decade now what FUCK is wrong with modern devs

>>715529391 (OP)
No it didnt retard. The director didnt join Nintendo until 2020

Mario Kart world also took 8 years. It just takes that long to make good games nowadays.

>>715529745
>>715530023
Subhuman samefag sonygro

>>715532414
I think they said BoTW cost $100 million to make, the most Nintendo spent developing a single game. Since it sold over 30+ million, safe to say they made their money back

>>715532772
The dude needs to let go of video games because he's obviously over it. He should just stick to the games he enjoyed in his youth and indies that ape those games.

Why would they? They would rather make something new anyway. The only time they make direct follow-ups like Galaxy 2 or TotK is because they had a ton of ideas left over.

>>715532414
Both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were under B budgets.

>>715529391 (OP)
>8 years to develop
>started development when the original Switch launched
>releasing as a Switch 2 launch title
>still has performance drops despite being on next gen hardware

>>715529391 (OP)
I swear to christ, Nintendo's development teams are skeleton crews. There's no other excuse for this.

But tendies told me nintendo doesn't take 10 years to make a game

>>715530023
It won't be good, it'll be overrated, generic, open world slop. And of course there'll be 17million bananas in a level placed every 5 feet, that's the content.

>>715533635
>>still has performance drops despite being on next gen hardware

lol this isn't next gen. This is a 2 generation old console.

>>715529391 (OP)
>Yoshi's Island
>a clusterfuck
How are these people paid to write this shit?

Whats the point in making a blanket statement about how long a games dev cycle is? Who knows how many people were working on it in various stages of development?
Maybe for 4 years its was just a few guys kicking around ideas in their spare time and experimenting.

>>715533749
There's a reason why there's a lot of excitement about Nintendo expanding their internal staff because their games ARE basically made with skeleton crews -- at least compared to the average AAA game.

>>715529391 (OP)
it's the same for mario kart world
switch 1 game ported to switch 2
brown tendie jeets clap their hands like feral monkeys
>>715533069
subhuman streetshitting pajeetendie

>>715533635
Really less, it just got shelved because they couldn't dumb down the game for Switch 1.

>>715529391 (OP)
>Nintendo games are approaching the same level of developer hell that modern AAA titles have, despite not being anything close to AAA as far as spending, team team size or graphics go
He's kind of right. This, Mario Kart World, Metroid Prime 4 and Zelda ToTK don't bode well for the future of Nintendo development cycles.

>>715534975
kill yourself

>>715534975
>All of these critically acclaimed, high selling titles are an indication that Nintendo will FAIL!

At what point will people start admitting that TOTK was a huge success? It's on the Switch 2 Best Sellers list right now.

>>715529391 (OP)
>Yoshi's island
>clusterfuck
what did he mean by this.
now, the transformations in that game really are mostly pointless, but they don't make a dent in the overall game

>>715535054
No.
>>715535262
MK World and ToTK sold well but were met with mixed reception at best by fans. This doesn't bode well for the longevity of Nintenod's IPs.

another Eric thread

>>715535424
Ah yes .Because Zelda II was such a huge bottleneck for the franchise going forward.

>Yoshi's island
>Bad
I'm tired of boomers seething

>>715532869
Either bloated developer teams suffering from shitty management, small dev teams with bloated ideas biting off more than they can chew, or suits forcing devs to play things too safe, which results an an indecisive creative process where said devs don't want to hold accountability for any fuckups.

>>715535262
I’m glad my friends at Nintendo took 6 years to make dlc that’s making them money since they’re charging $80 for it. I don’t care about playing games that aren’t cheap copy pastes in the near future. What’s important for me is Nintendo making money.

You lost Eric

>>715529391 (OP)
>instead of refining mario odyessy we get WOKEy kong
nintendo are retards

Bump

Wait are people still pretending Switch 2 has no games?

Mario Kart World was stupidly successful, what are they on about?

>>715529391 (OP)
Eight Years a Kong

>>715529391 (OP)
>Bananza took eight years to make
Damn this game is going to be a masterpiece then

>>715539697
MKW was bundled with the Switch and it seems like most of the Switch 2 units were the bundle. What will matter is the attach rate. If its below 85%, then it means Switch has the PS5 curse where nothing fucking sells. Its worse for Nintendo since they aren't a Fortnite machine like PS5 is.

>>715539697
> Wait are people still pretending Switch 2 has no games?

>Mario Kart World was stupidly successful, what are they on about?

That's GAME, singular. Not GAMES, plural. Besides all the brainwashed modern Nintentrannies that bought the 80 dollar intermission track game are already starting to get tired of it.

>>715540924
>Nothing fucking sells

Is that why Bananza and Tony Hawk are topping the sales charts right now?

>>715529391 (OP)
Why do games took so long to make now a days? Don't tell me is because is harder now, back then as primitive as they looked games where state of the art and still you got a trilogy in a single generation.

>>715541237
>Give me an answer to 2+2 = 4 but don't say 4

>>715529391 (OP)
>Revolutionary for its time graphics and gameplay
>Used state of the art (for its time) technology
>Singlehandedly invented an entirely new genre of video game
>Set the standard for 3D character movement years before the industry did
>Devs went in and did all of this without any pre-existing reference point
>Development Time: Three Years

What the hell happened to Nintendo

>>715543682
Tears of the Kingdom has to be one of the more disgraceful devtime:end-product ratios. 6 years for a goddamn glorified expansion pack, and to top it off they decided that it merited a price hike.

>>715546083
I put hundreds of hours into TOTK.

>>715529391 (OP)
Can we report journos sharing their own shitty articles here?

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT NOTICE
The source is Motokura and all he said was
>"I can't give you very precise details, I can tell you that we started developing it after finishing Super Mario Odyssey,".
This is not confirmation of 8 years, this only means it went into development after Odyssey was complete. It also doesn't mean that they entered active development immediately after Odyssey either.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT NOTICE

>>715529391 (OP)
>mario odyssey 2 died for this shit
fuck this gay earth

>>715546209
And there are subhumans with over 10k hours in DOTA
What's your point?

>>715529391 (OP)
Game looks like shit, what are they doing and how the fuck are they that incompetent? I thought it was like 3 years at most and something they were rushing out just to have something close to launch.

>>715533056
World is worst Mario Kart and this bodes extremely poorly for the future.

>>715529391 (OP)
8 years and this is the best animation work they could put out?

>>715539697
World is successful in the same way Horizon was successful, inflated pack-in numbers. It is not a good Mario Kart and Nintendo bitchslapped their community for trying to do what they could to enjoy it.

BABE

NEW NINTENDO FUD THREAD JUST DROPPED

>>715547235
Forget animation, and beanmouth kong, the game just looks like rancid dogwater. It is actively unpleasant to look it and has the visual fidelity of a wii u title. How the hell could this take them 8 years?

>>715547235
I just don't like his tongue being out so often, it's kind of gross. I get trying to make Donkey Kong more expressive but there's such a thing as going too far.

>>715533635
Gens don't mean better performance anymore

>>715533056
i feel it would've had less dev time if they didn't try to make it work with the Switch 1 same goes for bananza

>>715547421
it started as a switch 1 game i'd imagine a lot of the dev time went in to "how the fuck do we make sure nobody's switch fucking explodes during gameplay"

>>715548802
It is highly concerning that this game took them this long without even being designed to make use of more modern hardware. It really does not bode well for the future. Nintendo's games will either continue to look like this or worse or they'll take even longer.

You can't even wait until the game is out before shitting your pants and autistically screeching? Nintendo derangement syndrome should be added to the list of mental illnesses at this point.

>>715529391 (OP)
So it could've been a Wario game with loli anyone?
Ashley or something?

>>715547276
You can't really say that. Horizon was packed in for free, most Sony games are.
When they aren't they end up failing or selling, much, much less

>>715547235
I still don't know why this clip in particular keeps getting posted. There's stuff from the reveal trailer that looks worse

>>715529391 (OP)
BOTW also took about 10 years to make. They put out an expansion in 3 years.

>>715533521
Breath of the Wild cost $200 million to make.

>>715552416
>They put out an expansion in 3 years
?
TotK took 6 years.

>>715552531
The game didn't really start development in earnest until 2019, COVID complicated it, and they sat on it for a year because of Elden Ring

>>715546605
More people need to see this. It's interesting that OP did not link the source

>>715529391 (OP)
Hory heck

>>715532869
Dev hell. Which is pretty funny, considering how shitty tendo games look. There's no fucking way those things take more than a year to make, if you already have the story and game mechanics nailed down, already..

>>715529391 (OP)
I love these threads that tell you how things work behind the scenes. the awful truth always makes tendie manchildren seethe like >>715529726 so hard

>>715546734
based brownoids with good game taste

>>715554791
see >>715546605

>>715532869
It takes like 4-5 years. Nintendo doesn't outright cancel games as much as Sony or Microsoft does. If it doesn't seem viable at the time then it'll get shelved until they can feel comfortable making it. Miyamoto said Pikmin 4 was in development in 2015 and it almost certainly started development on the Wii U and got shelved until it restarted development on the Switch. Metroid Dread was a DS game that got shelved until they brought it back for the Switch. It's not the same as games being in dev hell for 10 years.

>>715529391 (OP)
Yoshi's island was a masterpiece!
Egg this dude.

>liying about the cost of botw because he can't accept that sony made a half a million dollar flop they had to refund everyone
lol lmao

>>715529391 (OP)
This dude is making a shitload of wild assumptions from the simple fact that Bananza started development after Odyssey.

>>715529391 (OP)
WHERE IS THE FUCKING SOURCE?

>>715556647
yoshis island was garbage
the entire yoshi series has been the worst 2d series in nintendos catalogue
id rather play a LBP game than a yoshi game anyday

>>715558817
Why?

>>715558668
The link is right there, just go there and click on the source button.

>>715529391 (OP)
1. Starting development 8 years ago doesn't mean it was actively developed for 8 years
2. Every launch game in history started development on previous hardware. That's how game development works.

>>715533056
These articles just take the "began development in <year>" and assume it had been actively worked on for the entire time.

But Nintendo has a habit of shelving games, sometimes for years, to release them when they think the time is right.

Many of these games were probably finished in like 2020 or something but they found that the performance was unacceptable so they just shelved these games until they had the Switch 2 specs figured out and then simply returned to these games, improved a few things and that was enough. That took them maybe 6-12 months on top.

>>715534619
>pajjetendie
Pejeets are snoys

What time does it go up

I will say that I'll give Yoshi's Island another go one of these days just because I've seen it dickrided hard enough, but when I first played it last year it just didn't do anything for me after giving it a go for a few levels. Wasn't really feeling it. Not sure if I care to 100% it either which it seems the game is designed around doing from what I've gathered. Recently I played Crash 1-3 and I was fine with doing it there but I think just the basic gameplay feel (on YI) didn't appeal to me for some reason.

>>715565951
The reason is that YOU ARE GAY.

>>715566853
Pretty sure that's Super Mario Galaxy.

>Motokura: Well now... In a long-running series, novelty and continuity are both important, but we wanted this title to fully convey the appeal of Donkey Kong as a character. Meanwhile, we thought that by creating something new, leveraging our experience developing 3D Mario games, we'd have the opportunity to create two separate branches – 2D Donkey Kong and 3D Donkey Kong – just as we did with Mario games. So, keeping in mind that this game will come to symbolize 3D Donkey Kong, and with the theme of bringing Donkey Kong's strengths and new actions to the forefront, we thought the concept of “destruction” would be a good fit.

https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-19-donkey-kong-bananza-part-1/?srsltid=AfmBOoohxNZvzFDpoL11V4z9CaQcatirNLPiF7Ugq_GaVGUSoKUTZydz

I hate open world so much

>>715567380
Good thing Bananza isn't open world, it's just got big levels

That's how long it takes to make a masterpiece.

>>715567431
We call that 'open world' anon.

>>715567516
Maybe if you're stupid

>>715532414
According to an investor call near when it came out, they said BotW needed to sell 2 million copies to make it's costs back and was their most expensive game ever at the time.

Nintendo has said that they view most games being financially successful if they can sell 1 million copies, obviously some need more and others less. So it's likely their typical "bigger" release is around 1/4 that of a bigger "AAA" game at most.

>>715529391 (OP)
They wont. Because DK will not sell as good and quick as Mario Odessy.

>>715568074
And that's great. Nintendo knows how to budget.

>>715568074
>Nintendo has said that they view most games being financially successful if they can sell 1 million copies
If only every dev/publisher would be happy with that being the baseline.

>>715529391 (OP)
Posting Sean Malstrom articles on /v/ should be a bannable offense. The OP knows Sean's takes are always incendiary and abysmal so he spams these frequently in order to rile up posters.

Seeing Sean Malstrom use terms like “slop” is honestly kinda sad. His incendiary blog posts used to at least be well worded and somewhat thought out, now they’re indistinguishable from your average /v/ post.