>Single Player mentality vs Multiplayer mentality
Specially when it comes to RTS

>>715535940 (OP)
this is actually casual vs ranked

>>715536039
Isn't it Ranked vs Casual?

>>715535940 (OP)
Single player and casual would both be on the right. Singleplayer fags quit their games before beating them 80-90% of the time. You can tell by steam statistics on achivements.

Ranked players do nothing but grind they rarely quit because they're "not good enough" but more often because a shift in the gameplay or balance that is unfun.

>>715536039
>when I am frustrated I give up
A casual mp wouldn't say that because he wouldn't even care to begin with. He would just laugh at the situation. Is those who want to be magically good at every game they play the moment they start playing but are not willing to put effort who complain about "noooo why i'm getting rushed by sweats"

>>715536415
>Is those who want to be magically good at every game they play the moment they start playing but are not willing to put effort who complain about "noooo why i'm getting rushed by sweats"

That's a casual. They won't play Ranked because they don't want to improve.

A good game is one i can lose and still have a good time.

Most rts games struggle with keeping the game enjoyable for a player on the loosing side.

>>715536559
I disagree
I have fun even if I lose

>>715536559
Agree with this. Essentially any game that requires lots of time to build up, like League of Legends, RTS, strategy games. Losing feels like a chore because you spent 30 minutes setting up your base and character first.

>>715536552
Casuals play ranked too. They just don't care if they are in the bottom ranks. They go 0/15 or get fucked 5 minutes in and say "gg bro" and then proceed to queue another one. Meanwhile the weak-minded comes to /v/ to complain about how multplayer ruined RTS and gaming in general

>>715535940 (OP)
growth mindset is the biggest lie pushed on the masses in history
everyone has their limits and failure to respect those limits will push you into self-destructive delusions (ie steroids for /fit/ type growth mindset)

>>715536758
>everyone has their limits
the problem is that the majority of people who say this use it as an excuse, and haven’t reached full potential

>>715536758
You can always improve. You may not have the capabilities to be the best at something but that doesn't mean you can't improve the current version of yourself

>>715537016
No. I can bench 400lbs. I was the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, I own three houses, four $100k+ cars, and a yacht. I've climbed Mt. Everest. I cannot go any further. I will not go any further. I will enjoy my early retirement and live a life of luxury until I die at the ripe age of 55.

>>715536657
Honestly thats a problem with the moba genre.
Ideally the 30 minutes of grind should be the fun part. Not the 1-5 minute finale.

>>715536758
DO you really think you just hit a wall and can't go further? The brain is plastic as shit. it can change a LOT, if you prompt it to.

>>715536859
>>715537016
>>715537508
"Growth" mindset? More like "grift" mindset.
>yeah bro you've got a limited time to live so you better put 10,000 hours into stick fightan and you'll be a pro just read your malcolm gladwell and jurgen habermas bro

>>715536859
>>715537016
Perhaps, but the growth mindset is delusional "everyone is always capable of infinitely getting better" psychotic shit and is actively more harmful than people being lazy because they want to convince themselves they've hit a wall.

>>715537824
who are you quoting?
retard

>>715537508
It's not about whether you "can", it's about whether you "should". That's what the growth vs. fixed dichotomy fails to address. It's used by armchair psychologists and Sociology-100 professors to manipulate a gullible audience.

Why I can't just play the way I want? Why some people insist I MUST play MP, I MUST keep losing, I MUST "improve", I MUST study meta strategies, etc, etc. Why?

I just want to have fun.

>>715535940 (OP)
RTS multiplayer is crap because many are infected by "muh fair competition" eSpurt bullshit.
It's the root source of all symmetrical map & unit craps, why we do not get physics or any smart AI.

And the worst are like
>Nooo! you cannot have gameplay not balanced for PvP!
>Fun? Who care about that? I just want to feel smarter than you by following the meta and deny you victory
>non retarded AI that don't need micromanaging? So basically you just want the AI to play for you, bet you even want to play against AI your SP loser

The only way around that is to have TEAM matches, introducing randomness and infinites variables they would not accept from machines.

And I could go on with FPS where matchmaking made players incapable of learning actual teamplay, only looking at their own score.

>>715535940 (OP)
non-meta vs meta

>>715538507
Multiplayer is dependent on there being multiple players. If you aren't doing multiplayer, then you're hurting the multiplayer aspect of a game. It would be like going to a friend's house and instead of battling your Pokemon or fighting each other in Street Fighter 2, you were on your DS playing Picross while he sits in the lobby screen. Yes, thanks to online multiplayer this theoretically can't happen because players should have thousands of others to play against. However, the mindset of you not participating directly affecting their ability to enjoy multiplayer still lingers (since there's a smaller lobby due to you not participating), which is why they get offended.

Consider the "Why It's Rude to Suck at World of Warcraft" video as a prime example of their overall thinking.

>>715536758
You can't know your limits in the first place without a growth mindset and being well into your years. Every time I hear young people talk about their limits, it's always self imposed. They failed one time because they put in minimum effort or were set up to fail and then made failure their whole personality. Or the type of person who uses the people around them as a metric of where they "should be" and have this constant "I'm behind I'm behind" mentality.

>>715535940 (OP)

>>715536758
This. Even applied to mental activities.
That said, it's pointless to give up before you have a proper idea of the actual limit.

>>715537016
>You can always improve
You cannot levitate by the power of your mind, therefore you have limits.

Remember, /v/, if you apply yourself you can learn.

cope vs realism

>>715539005
This is where you're making a mistake in the dichotomy. Yes, they create self-imposed limits when confronted with failure. However, those limits should be broken by outside positive reinforcement. A baby doesn't have the capacity to experience a growth or fixed mindset, so the reason it learns to walk is because the parents support and foster their development to be able to do that. The human spine isn't naturally S-shaped; it forms that way after a human begins to move while upright. A human isn't immediately predisposed to upright walking even though it has significant advantages.

When a person hits a "wall" in real life, a person will have a growth mindset either because they have a predilection for narcissism and self-importance (which is a negative and feeds into delusions), or because they have a network that encourages them to push past the barrier. The reason the network encourages them to do so is because they care for the subject and want to see them improve. The network would also discourage them from continuing if harm would result from pursuing "growth". It's the difference between a guy and his friends working out together at the gym, and a guy and his friends shooting up steroids to get jacked.

The reason growth vs. fixed is a stupid concept is because it tries to isolate growth to the individual (nature) when it's about both the person trying to develop, and the environment they're in (nature and nurture). It would be like going to Haiti and telling an earthquake victim if they keep making mud cakes they'll eventually become a professional chef. Isolating the individual from environmental factors is a grift.

>>715536758
>>715538237
>>715537824
>>715539086
>t. perpetually broke losers

>>715538237
There's nothing more insidious than the comfort of stagnation. I wasted years of my life at a shitty dead-end job because I didn't wanna take a step out of the familiarity of that position. I suspect this is far more common than people want to admit.

>>715539514
imagine writing all of this just to cope and make excuses

>>715538975
But consider this - by claiming that I MUST participate in multiplayer because it depends on having players to play with, you are denying MY right to have fun my own way in favour of YOURS. Why? I have no obligation to be your punching bag.

WoW is not good example to being on since it's MMO aka game with only multiplayer component.

"my potential is predetermined" is 100% correct

>>715539857
it's correct but it doesn't matter. You should live your life as if there could be unlimited growth, otherwise you will always have excuses for your shitty life

>>715539805
I'm glad your parents worked hard to give you a comfortable life and helped you realize your full potential. I don't know why you're on /v/, though.

>>715539810
"Your game, my choice." I prefer playing DoW against a script-fixed Insane AI instead of other players, personally. I'm conveying how the people who get upset at us feel so you can understand their perspective.

>tfw like to lab stuff in training mode but cant arse myself to spend more than 5 games playing online
how to fix this daily routine FG bros?

>>715540070
>t. didn't lose his life savings in the dot com bubble burst, 2008 housing crash, or nft rugpull

>>715539857
Correct, and the perfect example of how knowledge without wisdom can do more harm than good.

>>715535940 (OP)
This is why RTS still don't grow. People don't find joy in learning, just in "winning"

>>715536758
Okay tubbo

>>715540125
my parents grew up in a Communist shithole, and I grew up in a low income household. I now make six figures in a STEM field and also own a business.
But please keep coping and making excuses as to why you're a loser and other people are just lucky

>>715535940 (OP)
>i played sega genesis vs i played PS4

>>715540354
Congratulations. Did your parents encourage you to have a better life than they did?

>>715540437
No. And it doesn't matter. Your question is leading to another excuse

>>715540070
I don't think deceiving yourself is ever advantageous.

You speak as if nobody ever spends their entire life striving for things they do not achieve.

>>715540508
I explicitly stated that it's nature and nurture that foments positive development. I'm not changing the subject, you're willfully ignoring it because you're a narcissistic twat that doesn't want to be wrong because you think that somehow you're less accomplished unless you pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps, instead of realizing how thankful you should be for the people in your life that helped you to become more than you could've been without them.

You should be happy and proud, not feel guilty.

>>715539514
Sorry buddy, there's no such thing as magic soil. You can make the argument for obstacles to development, but that's all irrespective of your actual potential and what you can influence in your own life. This Haitain mud baker example is exactly what I was talking about with this mentality of "being behind", you use others as your metric and aren't exploring your potential for growth at all. Other people having access to shit and you having to work harder for less result doesn't mean you cannot grow or growing isn't worth the effort. You fixate on everything you cannot change and immediately make yourself a loser instead of focusing on what is within your ability to effect.

>>715540669
Yes some people will help you. Some people will also hinder you. You have little control over that unless you actively build positive relationships - but that's on you. Again, it doesn't matter. Stop making excuses.

>>715540302
People do, but there's no sense of growth in laddering, and all your efforts feel meaningless when no matter how much you improve there's still an uncountable number of players better than you.

Some of you dorks talk like 2nd graders saying math is too hard to learn. Yes, there are going to be limitations to what you can achieve. But that doesn't mean you should just tap out. I will never be a world renowned baker or have my own bakery, that doesn't stop me from enjoying and wanting to learn more and striving to make the bread of my dreams.

>>715535940 (OP)
Fixed mindset can apply to literally everything so yes also singleplayerfags.

>>715540726
>>715540895
I'll let you both have the last word because you're admitting I'm correct, but choosing to remain hostile while being called out. Feel free to reply to this post, but we all have agreed that I'm correct. I would encourage you to, instead of continuing to be angry at me for pointing out how you were successful (especially with owning a business, my goodness, look at all the people involved in making that accomplishment happen), you should send a quick text of gratitude to everyone that helped get you to where you are today.

But you won't, because you're narcissistic cunts, and the people in your life wasted their efforts tending to trees that yielded bitter fruits.

>>715536758
>suck at game
>keep playing game
>improve and learn over time
>don't suck at game
I fail to see how this is a lie.
That's not to say people don't have limits, but still.

>>715541243
keep making excuses. I'm sure that will improve your life

>>715535940 (OP)
>Failure is an opportunity to grow
I suppose, but it's still annoying.
>Failure is the limit of my abilities
Expecting to first try everything is naive, but it's not always worth my time to muddle through.
>I can do and learn anything I want
Sure, if I feel like it
>I'm either good at it or I'm not
I'm either good at it or I don't really care to be.

I'm honestly in between these. Confident, and also lazy.

an old friend of mine was like this. I told him I wanted to start playing fighting games which he had been playing since he's a kid. He beat me over and over, until I started putting the time and learning. Eventually, we got to a point where I'd win 280 out of 300 matches. He never tried to improve.

The last time we played, I saw he was getting more and more frustrated and multiple times I told him "you know, we don't have to keep playing" but he said he wanted to keep playing, until he threw a tantrum and basically kicked me out of his house.

>>715541607
Same except it was my older brother kicking me out of his room.

>>715541607
the worst is when you spend hours practicing stick fightan and then your little bro buttonmashes his way to victory

>>715541732
FUCK YOU BRENDAN YOU PIECE OF SHIT FUCK

>>715538975
>If you aren't doing multiplayer, then you're hurting the multiplayer aspect of a game
Good. Modern multiplayer games are cancer with malicious matchmaking systems and microtransactions out the ass. I want them to crash and burn. Get us back to dedicated servers with a server browser and maybe I'll get back into them.

Sweating and getting to a high rank in a multiplayer game is a total waste of time that could've been used to practice something that actually has value to other people.

>>715541825
>buttonmashes his way to victory
that was my friend's playstyle. When I learned how to deal with it, that's when he started getting mad at me. I tried to tell him "if you mash on wake up, you will lose, every single time". He still kept mashing though.

If I'm bad at a game, I give up.
Simple as that.

>>715540990
>failure is the opportumy abilities

>>715536758
self-destructive tendencies are good tho

destroy the weak self and rebuild it stronger

>>715535940 (OP)
How am I supposed to stop giving up when I'm frustrated?

>>715541243
There's absolutely no irony wasted on you calling other people bitter fruits. Own your failures.

>>715540929
This guy gets it. Any time I hear some tankie smugly reminding people that they will never become a billionaire, I couldn't give a fuck because I know that's always the excuse for their own failures that keep them a loser. I will likely never be a billionaire short some life alerting event, but I plan for my future and live a comfortable life, and I attempt to improve my life beyond that. And that's enough for me, my goals from where I stand, not someone else's life.

>>715536758
>the seething replies to this trvkepost
What do you expect, it’s an American website and it’s full of Americans who think in American ways.
>anyone can be anything they want
>just pull yourself up by the bootstraps
>everyone can be a winner, everyone is special
>everything is in your control, just world fallacy
>follow your dreams and be yourself
And that’s why you have retards believing it’s ok to import millions of Indians and Mexicans because if they just try they can assimilate and become just another citizen, and that if they cut their cocks off they’ll become real women because anyone can be anything.

>>715535940 (OP)
Growth mindest is a meme. Every great human was very stubborn about everything, which is why they became specialists. Growth mindset is literally homosexual luciferian mentality.
>just a lick? I'm not gay.
>it's just my asshole.

Meanwhile fixed chads *see* the matrix code. They *see* the rat race and check out.
>wait a fucking minute this is a hamster wheel.
>ohmmmm.... nothing ever happens.... it won't.... ohmmmm

>>715540302
I want the city building of RTS with tower defense gameplay. Only Warcraft 3 custom maps ever managed to scratch my itch of turtling up and trying to survive. They Are Billions is the most similar thing I can think of but it doesn't quite work for me.

>>715543179
Is such a shame taoism is not a thing in asia anymore, in the end the bug obedient mentality won, taoism was basically libertarianism

>>715542316
Neat little trick I've learned, if you're approaching any situation angry, don't engage with your problem until you've recited the whole alphabet to yourself. Doesn't work for things that need a split second decision but you'd be surprised at what a little momentary separation from your problems will do to improve your mentality.

>>715536392
People drop multiplayer games too. That's why so many of them come out. The people who complete singleplayer games are the people who bother to climb in multiplayer games.

>>715536392
Yeah show me your completed multiplayer game. Oh and tell me how many times you threw a match because it didn't go your way, fag. Not to mention multiplayer games are same shit recycled over and over whereas singleplayerGODS explore different mechanics and worlds with each game.

>>715535940 (OP)
>i'm gonna GROOOOOOOOWTH
npc mentality

>>715535940 (OP)
Fixed mindset sums up game journos and who refuse to learn how to play games and expects games to drop down to their level.
Growth mindset is people who actually play videogames

>>715540302
The only one who only about winning are autist who "learn" the META from a wiki.
They are the one arguing against smarter AI and actual strategy, not just minmaxing production.

>>715535940 (OP)
Gigachand mindset is knowing that you lost because the devs are bias such as in Dead by Daylight where the devs are clearly survivor bias and keep giving survivors basekit things while killers keep getting nerfed.

>>715544467
you sit in your room and do nothing but consoom and make excuses. you are the NPC lol

>>715541271
>I fail to see how this is a lie.
The lie is the idea that you will never plateau, that there's always a higher peak you can reach.
You can improve, but everyone has a limit to how much better they can get. It's good to reach those limits, but trying to exceed them will always end badly.

>>715535940 (OP)
TF spending more time practicing rather than jumping to the match haha

>>715538975
>If you aren't doing multiplayer, then you're hurting the multiplayer aspect of a game
good, I fucking hate how the focus on multiplayer has done several damage to the single player content of many games recently. Give me proper single player modes, multiplayer faggot must burn in hell

>>715540167
>cant arse myself to spend more than 5 games playing online
you start by honestly looking inward about why you don't like playing online instead of blowing it off as 'can't be arsed'.

>>715540990
>GROXED MINDSET
>I am inspired up!

>FIWTH MINDSET
>My abilities help me grow!

Holy shit, they're way too powerful. How do we contain them?

>>715535940 (OP)
Normal players vs. Sniper haters in TF2

>>715536758
TRUEST OF TRUTH NUKES
grifters, niggers, americans, boomers, stemcels, startup jeets BTFO
>NOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I LIED IN MY RESUME AND GOT 6 FIGURINO JOB AMERICAN DREAM IS REAAAL
kwab

>>715540302
RTS were never born as multiplayer zoomie. Multiplayer was just a cool addon to extend the value of the product. Campaign and skirmish were the front and centre of the genre.

>>715540990
What game would a Groxedchad play?
>Challenges are unchanging
>My effort determin, redetermined
>Feed, frustrated

>>715550286
>about why you don't like playing online instead of blowing it off as 'can't be arsed'.
But i like playing online i swear, is just that i cant balance time spent watching replays vs spamming games online

>>715537227
So, HotS.

>>715535940 (OP)
>mutliplayer fags be like:
"I have no hobbies or achievements to speak of whatsoever in real life so I'm just going to waste thousands upon thousands of hours obsessing over this one game and making everything about it be my whole personality and reason as to why I'm alive. Yeah, I don't care no one gives a fuck about what I do nor see it as worthwhile in any capacity, but I still hope that somehow I'll be noticed then praised and congratulated for being "good" at something, even though I do nothing of worth altogether."

>singleplayer chads be like:
Hehe... Fun game.... :)
I wind down with this and I'm enjoying myself whenever I want without getting stressed out over meaningless competitive faggotry.

>>715540990
"I give by the success of others"
based FIWTH

>>715555314
>PvP virgin
>no mention of matchmaking ensuring a50-50 win-loss ration
Almost
A bit too verbose as well

>>715538237
This. It's gotten way worse with the grifter grinder mindset in the past decade. Obviously you should try to practice and learn to get better at things you're good at, but trying to get good at things you have no chance of being competent at is pointless.

>>715538975
>being bad makes the nolifers seethe
>due to modern cancer matchmaking, it's more likely every other match that the nolifers will be on my team
>I can ruin the days of these fags for practically no investment
Don't threaten me with a good time, anon.

>>715535940 (OP)
Keep trying something that you can't do for any reason is stupid and waste time for you to look for something better. This is where the wage mentality and the threadmill mentalty comes.
"Yes I'll keep trying till i get gold\diamond\platinum\world champion just another year, just another year...."

>>715536758
most people never get even remotely close to their limits neither physically nor mentally

>>715558164
How do you know you have no chance at being good? Talent is a myth because of how plastic the brain is. If you learn how to learn properly, develop your introspection and the right mindset, you can acquire competence in just about any intellectual skill you desire.

>>715535940 (OP)
i just wish i had more gaymer friends to play with

>>715540990
>ick to what I know
ugh

>>715547757
This. Or even worse, the lie that the plateau is some mythical form of mastery, when for the average person, their peak is barely competence.

>>715555314
too many personal attack for my taste, shit meme

>>715559031
>How do you know you have no chance at being good?
nta but you'll just know

>>715540990
>I can learrd at it or I'm not

>>715555314

>>715555314
>>715565162
these were written by a coping ESL

>>715535940 (OP)
>I have drawn myself as the chad, and you as the basedjack

>>715535940 (OP)
>challenges help me grow
I'd be a giant if that was the case