Why did cyberpunk get praised as a masterpiece after the 2.0 update?

Sure they (mostly) fixed loads of bugs, but that doesn't change the fact that the open world is completely lifeless, absolutely nothing happens other than repeated scripted events. The NPCs basically have no AI, It's objectively far less interactive/"living" than decade+ old GTA games.

ok.

>>715538920 (OP)
None of those things matter remotely. But yeah, 2.0 made many changes for the worse, like how weapons rarely get dropped by dead enemies so there's no loot to sell.

you played it on a shit pc thats why

>>715538920 (OP)
It's a good game.

>>715538920 (OP)
I thought the open world parts were fun enough, but the main story was bad. The only way it works is if everyone involved is retarded.

>>715539797
Nothing he said has to do with performance you shit for brains.

>>715539338
>weapons rarely get dropped by dead enemies so there's no loot to sell.
money is non-issue in the game because missions pay out tons, plus all the loose cash and money shards you find all the time.

and you still get plenty of weapons of enemies, you just dont get so many that youre overencumbered after a couple fights anymore. and even then, because money is so plentiful, its a better idea to just turn everything into crafting components for making something better than any trash mob will drop. and if you hate crafting, you can just sell the weightless components.

jeet + poolacks shill it for free, the game is shit

>>715538920 (OP)
What open world game has as much life as you think cyberpunk should have?

>>715538920 (OP)
>that doesn't change the fact that the open world is completely lifeless, absolutely nothing happens other than repeated scripted events.
SAAR YOU NEED TO SIMUYLATE REAL LIFE IN GAYMING. SAAR MY LIFFE IS SHIT I NEED GAMES TO BE 1:1 SIMULATIONS OF LIFE SO I CAN FORGET MY SHITTY LIFE

because it was good even at release as anyone with a good PC (whites, asians) and not playing on cucksole (browns) could've told you.
You got tricked by /v/browns, which makes you even lower I.Q.
Sorry!

>>715540025
isn't it funny how these jeets hold 2077 to a standard they don't even hold GTA to? I always see the 'muh enter da buildings' cope, but then you can enter more buildings in Night City than GTA 5.

>>715540061
>>715540142
dont you have a toilet to clean?

>>715538920 (OP)
biggest astro turf was dlc
you would think they would fill out smaller area with content but not really, you get a few missions here and there but is mostly just
>see that smoke trail get that fortnite lootbox teehee
or
>carjack few cars and slowly drive them back to Night City while enemies spawn occasionally
the only interesting parts were in the main quest, you get one mission where you can use the holographic mask and that's it

>>715539338
>none of those things matter

They do to anyone above single digit IQ who look beyond the most basic surface level. The world having zero sandboxy AI interactions, and seeing the same few scripted events over and over is very immersion breaking in a game that's supposed to be an immersive "living, breathing" world in the devs own words.

It should've at least been on par with GTA 5, but even GTA 3 has AI driven interactions not present here.

>>715540061
>anyone with a good PC
when cp77 came out i had a 1070ti and could barely run the game above 30fps on all low settings. still saw very few bugs. occasionally a quest update would hang but you could just quicksave, then load it to fix it.

consoles are just shit.

>>715540195
Sorry Pedro, but I am Caucasian. I clean my bathroom once a week.
Do you even have a bathroom? Or are you about to be deported?

The anime and the expansion resulted in an unwarranted youtube grifting campaign. Yes, it's still the same garbage it was at release

>>715540320
You know what, fair enough. I stand corrected. PC players of all kinds were able to play the game. I experienced about 5 bugs at launch, only one of which that required a reload.
That is about 20% as much as I had with Skyrim at launch, but nobody really cried about that game being a broken piece of shit and still does today. Weird.

>>715538920 (OP)
My game got significantly worse after 2.0. I had no problems at launch, but after 2.0 I started getting graphical bugs, animation bugs, pop-in, quests not being possible to complete. Even after uninstall and reinstalling

>>715540358
I didn't mean your toilet, are all poolacks this braindead?

>>715540572
>pop-in
turn off hdd mode. or alternatively, if you have it installed on a hard drive, buy an ssd. the game streams perfectly even on dogshit ssds.

>>715540225
nigga what? they added an entire zone and totally fleshed outpacifica which was the most underdeveloped area in the game.

>>715539898
> the open world is completely lifeless, absolutely nothing happens other than repeated scripted events. The NPCs basically have no AI

you get all this playing on a shit cpu and shit gpu
it scales back the gameplay and graphics

>>715540464
the game was never garbage. you just got filtered by kino.

>>715540237
its an rpg, not a sandbox action adventure game. the sandbox is the only thing gta has going for it. you're taking two games from different genres and holding them to the same standards.

>>715538920 (OP)
You need to be more patient. The engoodening is still ongoing. Tomorrow's patch will fix literally every single thing.

>>715538920 (OP)
it only got praised by those shitty nepotism "gamer" activate websites. it's a faggoty piece of shit

>>715539923
This shit surprised me lmao. I played the 1.0 version where it was hard to get money, but only a few missions in the 2.0 version gave me enough to fully kit myself out with decent cyberware.

>>715538920 (OP)
Gamers are generally retarded, it's why they praise games like Ghost of Tsushima and at the same time shit in Assassin’s Creed games while both are basically the same

>>715540938
cant fix the ttrpg lore

>>715540835
yes all that "gameplay" throughout the main jobs and side jobs convinced me

>>715541120
ghosts of tsushima 2 is about to be as gay as ass creed too

>>715540763
oh excuse me
ehem...
YO DID DOG TOWN IS MORE LIKE DOG BREATH TOWN, NOWWHATISMSAYIN BRUTHA
DEM EAST COAST SLAVS COULDN'T GIVE SHITS ABOUT DEM CONTENT IN DAT AREA
CHASIN' BLING AND JACKIN CARS AIN'T SHIT SON
THE ONLY GUD PARTS WERE THE MAGICAL JORDANS THAT MADE YOU LOOK LIKE HOLOGRAPHIC TUPAC

>>715540635
kek ESL retard
you're being mocked
moron

>>715541370
dumb nigger.
phantom liberty is a solid 20 hours of extra content on par with the fidelity and quality of the base games main quest. yeah it was a good expansion. suck ya motha

>>715541471
YOU'Z A BITCH
I'LL CAP YOUR ASS IN THE ALLEYWAY
BLOWING POLE NIGGAS FOR FREE, JUST AIN'T RIGHT FOR A BRUDDA ACT DIS WAY

>>715538920 (OP)
Played on launch. Was avg shooter with a nice looking world. That said, I did finish it and all of the sidequests so.. not a horrible time waster

>I NEED GOLF, FLYING AND NPC SAYING DUMB SHIT OTHERWISE IT'S LIFELESS

Go play gta then

it's definitely not a masterpiece, but it's a pretty damn good game that does some things incredibly well, mostly relating to presentation. Quite possibly the most aesthetically impressive videogame universe to date. It's all incredibly well.conceived at all levels of analysis. Unfortunately the actual narrative plot is kind of meh and the game allows for pretty limited interaction and exploration with this incredible world, but it has it's high points.

>>715538920 (OP)
People saw the fully modeled genital customization and thought Cyberpunk 2077 would be a sex simulator.

>>715539935
There's plenty of videos out there comparing the AI driven interactions of GTA titles to cyberpunk.

>NPCs can get into fights
>NPCs stealing other NPCs vehicles
>NPCs can be antagonized, some will throw fists if annoyed enough
>gangs roaming & fighting
>cops getting involed in all of the above
>ambulances turning up at injury scenes
>fire engines turning up
>etc

None of this happens outside of a few scripted events in cyberpunk, and modders have only been able to improve it a bit.

>start game as male v
>Hate the voice, can't get immersed, quit the game
>Return years later as fem v
>Get immersed instantly
I think the male voice is sooooo bad it's like barely acting, no wonder I hated it at first

I don’t know if it was shills, zoomers or browns but the prevailing opinion of the internet totally flipped when they made the anime

>lifeless open world
What dos that mean? What's an example of one done right? I've asked you this dozens of times and you can never answer!

>>715543858
horrible take. It's the opposite. The guy is overacting like crazy where FemV sounds way more natural.

>>715543734
Yea i guess. Even watch dogs 2 has most of that and even more in some cases.

I like playing cyberpunk to walk around and look at the unbelievable scenery and detail on everything. Gta ist even close to how cool cyberpunks city is.

>>715544367
Mount and Blade series I guess

>>715540832
He means there are no events happening, no random scenarios like Fallout 3 does for example. The open world is there to just be there.

>>715544367
the funny thing is there's tonw of ways of going about it. I'd say both New Vegas and Yakuza 0 have vivid worlds where you feel like you are truly a part of it, and the 2 game are very very different.

>>715544419
To me he just mumbles and has 0 emotion, but I think you should reread what I wrote, I too hate the male voice

>>715538920 (OP)
Shills and bottomfeeder standards. GTA is a nigger/thirdworlder franchise tho.

>>715538920 (OP)
I tried it once after 2.0(never before) and I did find the city very soulless, couldn't really get into the game. I will probably try it again eventually since people seem to think it's a good story.

>>715538920 (OP)
Because it was always a decent game the internet hive mind decided to hate because it ran like garbage on consoles and almost nobody could play it on PC at release.

>>715540908
That would be fair a point if the devs didn't boldly claim the game to be the most believable game world ever made with fully routined NPCs with day & night schedules.

We can find evidence of how they were indeed attempting this, but at some point gave up and resorted to mostly using the lifeless NPCs we have now, who don't do anything but walk & repeat pretty idle animations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPqdGzqMFA

>>715543858
Disagree, I think Male V sounds kinda tryhard but he’s honestly pretty good when dealing with the more emotional moments. When vik tells him how long he has left he sounds very raw.
Him and Johnny both sound that way in the beginning and they open up as the game goes on, especially in the DLC.

>>715540938
I give them props for updating the game 5 years later to improve it, but I doubt it's going to touch on the GTA style NPC interaction the OP is talking about.

At least some modders are improving this stuff, like there's one that adds in roaming gangs members who organically get into turf wars or shootouts with cops

I have they implement the mods that let you sit & lean anywere like NPCs can, such simple immersion improvements

Posting Becca in the local CP thread!

>>715544426
I agree the world of night city looks amazing, but for me personally the lack of non-player interactions quickly makes it feel like an uncanny stage play or the truman show. It's such a shame because if it just had those basic GTA style interactions it would help the "living world" immersion so much, I'd maybe go as far as actually saying it would actually be a masterpiece.

>>715538920 (OP)
i just started it for the first time last weekend after getting it on the summer sale. i like it so far. it's pretty, decent gameplay, nice story. i doubt i'll playthrough more than once but it's definitely been worth the $28 i paid for it almost purely for roaming the city and enjoying the aesthetics.

t. boomer

2.3 expectations?

People think that full car customization/garages are coming. Nice I guess, but wouldn't get me to do another playthrough. I'd rather they implemented their own versions of some mods like Night City Alive and sit anywhere.

>>715538920 (OP)
unironically the edgerunners anime gaslit everyone into saying the game is the best thing ever made, nothing was fixed, all the shit they promised prior to release didnt happen, its still a broken piece of shit, the skill tree is still dogshit, the game still need 10 million fucking mods for it to be anywhere near to what was promised CDPR is a fucking joke saved by a japanese anime studio the game was fucking dead without edgerunners never fucking forget that shit

>>715550179
they did fix a load of bugs to be fair, but in terms of mechanics/systems yeah its still a shadow of what they boasted about prior to release. Pretty world, no substance.

>>715538920 (OP)
Beats me, haven't played it.

>>715546640
Why is it always Becca posting and never Lucy posting!

>>715540464
THA' LULLY MUST STAY, LAWL!!!!!!

Because normalfags are retarded.

>>715541947
>Unfortunately the actual narrative plot is kind of meh and the game allows for pretty limited interaction and exploration with this incredible world, but it has it's high points
I definitely felt that the main quest was on a bit of a bell curve, where the beginning and end were pretty shit, but the middle bits where Johnny was coming to grips with his own mortality were rewarding.
I think what hurts the game most are the interactions with the main cast of side characters (basically the romance ones). Only Judy and Panam get anything approaching an interaction with the main story, and I even found myself weakening on Panam during the endings/the voicemails that play at the credits. Johnny ended up being my favorite character, despite his awful initial appearance and Keanu's bottom-tier voice acting; Johnny shitting on V during the Devil ending and calling out what a coward he was was probably my favorite bit of dialogue in the game.

>>715538920 (OP)
since its good and it aint the games fault your shit taste got filtered hard

>>715547314
>i paid for it almost purely for roaming the city and enjoying the aesthetics
Same, I had a lot of fun just driving from one gig to the other in first-person and exploring the city. I dunno what it was but the Badlands were especially fun to roam around in, despite them being obstinately empty desert.
It must be because I'm actually from the American SW so it was like going back home.

>>715540835
It's fucking true. The game was great right from launch and I'm not going to pretend otherwise to give comfort to conslow players. It was actually better at launch because the clothing stats forced actual decisions onto the player and speccing outside of guns meant you had to actually play as such.

>>715552816
>normalfag slop is for people with taste!
Kek.

>>715538920 (OP)
People are so down bad for good games that they'll gaslight themselves into believing any post launch support is enough to make a game good
See No Man's Sky

>>715538920 (OP)
>The NPCs basically have no AI, It's objectively far less interactive/"living" than decade+ old GTA games.
A bunch of the NPCs, i.e the important ones like Panam, were actually given full daily routines
Those routines can even change to include the player if you're romancing the character, you can invite them to your apartment and do stuff with them there
But it is a weird contrast where the important people have routines and do things each day and the unimportant people just stand there in place forever
However, I will say that routines aren't always a good thing. Bethesda games can glitch out bad when trying to simulate routines

I've been playing it for the first time after they dumped it onto PS+ and it's not good.

>>715538920 (OP)
Because you're a retard who still thinks it was ever supposed to be a fuck around in the open world game like GTA.
Its scifi Witcher. You go do quests in the open world.

>>715553115
The normalfag slop is GTA
normalfags love nigger simulator

Cyberpunk is better than that trash.

Even after 2.0 it's just impossible to get immersed. Every time I got close something would pull me out.
>Leave my car on the sidewalk
>go inside for a mission
>exit building
>NPC standing in the exact same spot as my car, clipping into it
>instantly dies when I move the car
If that were an isolated incident I could laugh it off, but it was constant little flaws like that betraying the utter lack of polish and attention to detail.

>>715553595
yes someone posted a video above which looked into the cut NPC routines. Some are still in the game like you mention, but its not many. It seems they set it do it for all NPCs originally as they boasted about it in a video, but gave up at some point and just added all these cardboard cutout NPCs instead.

I think in a game like this it's perfectly fine for the NPCs to not have TES/KCD2 style routines, but to make up for it they need GTA style reactivity so it feels alive. Cyperpunk has neither.

>>715554115
Normalfags love bethesda slop, open world trash and looter shooter crap. So cyberspunk.
Also you literally posted the fact that millions of normalfags consumed product.

Favorite build/playstyle? I always enjoyed throwing knives tech weapons. I wish tech weapons worked in sandy though they take forever to charge.

>>715554669
adrenaline tank with an lmg. berserk is optional but makes an already nearly invincible build even more invincible.

>>715552135
Be the change you want to see, choom

>>715552816
>it sold so it good
lmao

>2.3 is adding self-driving to player cars

Not as comfy as jumping in an actual taxi with a driver, but still a neat little addition

>>715538920 (OP)
>Why did cyberpunk get praised as a masterpiece after the 2.0 update?
Starfield came out slightly before that and the direct comparison made Cyberpunk look like the best game ever.

>>715544367
It means that you wouldn't miss a single thing if it was a linear game that just teleported you from location to location. It would probably be better.
An example of it being done right are games like Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim where the stuff that happens along the way is way more interesting that the main story quests.

I hope 2.3 adds followers, let me call someone up to hang out, like the "date night" thing but instead they just hang out with you while driving around the city n shit

>>715554378
When I got out of the car the very first time, when I started this game about a week ago, I was parked I guess slightly to close, so I clipped into a wall and died.

>>715538920 (OP)
Only faggot normals who didn't play the game and just watched the shitflix show think that.

CDPR will never attain the the reputation they had prior to this game coming out. So even if you want to ehill and claim 2077's been good day one, whatever. The fact they took a nose dive in reputation says otherwise.

>>715559042
they already made it back and then some, dumb nigger.

>>715559042
>this is what a deluded /v/tard actually thinks
lol

>>715538920 (OP)
I couldn't tell you. I tried it again a couple weeks ago and the game is still shit.

I can only surmise that zoomers are just desperate for a landmark game since everything produced for their generation has been absolute trash.

>>715559208
>>715559308
You literally can't even talk about the developer of the game without people bringing up the shit show that was it's launch. TW4 is already under a lot of scrutiny because they keep fucking with the lore and character designs. They're surrounded by controversy, which prior to 2020 they weren't. Cope.

the story is way too fucking short

>>715558187
Yes.
Cyberpunk is a masterpiece compared to Starfield. Not just graphically or seamless open world wise or storywise, it's simply better in every single regard. Bethesda is slop

Gunplay feels like shit

>Archangel
>Sovereign
>Headhunter
>gorilla arms
>Apogee Sandevistan

WHERE'S THE UPDATE YOU FUCKS
Hopefully it includes a skip tutorial option.

>>715561514
It has that. Unless you mean the prologue?

People are expecting far too much from the update.

>>715560460
>no monowire or mantis ending rewards
C'mon, son.

I asked in the other thread but I want to ask it again here
should I grab a copy of cyberpunk2077 when I go pick up my dkb?

>>715561879
It's their fault for hyping it up and delaying it. And yeah, I meant skipping to the end of the lockdown.

>>715561942
I like beating meat with my electric fists

>Half of the game is spent driving
>The driving sucks
Why do game developers do this

>>715562771
Rattler drives pretty good

No arm cyberware ever.
Literally the only part of your character that's seen during 99.9% of the gameplay has no customization aside from nail polish.
It's all fucking car shit.

>>715562771
>Half of the game is spent driving
>The driving sucks
>wastes devtime on adding more cars instead of more popular requests

>>715538920 (OP)
I'd say caring about that crap is retarded, but then I remember a good chunk of marketing focused on the 'nightcity is so lifelike' nonsense. Like the Keanu meme, he literally talked about how immersive the city is just before the breathtaking thing.
Meanwhile the game can't tell you aren't driving on the sidewalk and will launch passerby's directly into your way because it also can't tell the dumb NPC which way to leap.

Would love a sex scene with Denny

>>715544582
Open world games have nothing to do in them anyway, it just stretch the playtime by artificially placing markers from one place to another. The only feature of open world is being able to pick which quest to start or to continue.

CDPR's marketing team must've been Stalin'd out of existance after the release. Same people who were lying through their teeth about NC being some rockstar type reactive setting and half a million other things started getting praise solely because of the anime.

>>715538920 (OP)
my number one issue is how flat everything feels, there's all these tall multi-storied complexes and you aren't allowed to go inside them, and the ones you can it's always just the base floor and a dedicated upper floor that only exists to serve as a set-piece for a quest and you forget about it forever
It feels so shit and lame, let me enter and explore and kill in the giga-malls I see everywhere

>>715561957
Yeah, especially if you never played it or only touched it around launch. The 2.0 update basically turned it into the game they advertised back in 2018, and with Phantom Liberty it’s finally worth the price. Just make sure your rig (or deck) can handle it, because it still runs like shit on potatoes. You'll get your edgerunner fix and probably spend more time dicking around in Night City than actually doing story missions.

>>715538920 (OP)
Complaining the open world is lifeless is like complaining the world in Deus Ex Human Revolution is lifeless. It's simply a backdrop. The actual missions are 10/10 tier

>>715539897
I think it's you who's retarded

>>715538920 (OP)
I played the Witcher 3 for the first time since 2015 to see what the new stuff is like. It's got hilarious bugs now including enemies that run away from you instead of toward you.
CDPR is pretty much gone now, more interested in Rebel Wolves.

The gunplay feels nice as a full BODY SHOTGUN build
I feel genuine catharsis when I blast someone on their ass with a fully charged tech shotgun shell and walk up closer so I can get a better shot and blow their head off

>>715539935
watch dogs 2. Hell even Witcha! felt more lively when you would walk around a village. The npcs all have these weird walking animations like robots and nothing is going on. The 48 minute demo at least had NPCs on scooters or carrying boxes around. Nuffin happens in Night City

>>715540763
played the original on PS4 and PC for at least 1000 hours. Dogtown is somewhat dogshit. The main missions are just yapping for 20 minutes, Dogtown is dense but NPCs still kinda just walk around like robots. The only good thing about the DLC are the gigs which are awesome. Rest is trash!!!

>>715543734
agreed, I wish I saw maxtac or traumateam in the wild occasionally, would not only make the game world feel more alive but gives me a better opportunity to get phat loot since both of them probably carry some heavy equipment

>>715554378
>NPC slightly touches my car
>they bend backwards and die

>>715539338
It literally has less customization and i less and rpg than gta San Andreas, not to mention the cops still spawned behind you and they didn’t even care enough to program them to chase after you in cars

>>715543734
dude even if gangsters start shooting at you in front of cops, they wil do absolutely nothing. Even during scripted chases or gunfights in the world, it looks like the game is barely holding it together. The game is just janky
>>715566468
well you can see trauma team here and there but they just stand around like rest of the NPCs. They must be putting glue into the water supply in NC

>>715538920 (OP)
Part of the marketing programming - when they get the discord folks to parrot this same thing game suddenly becomes a success.
When they 'fixed it' was they finally made the game shippable 1-2 years out of the gate.
Truth bends.
It's the most vapid gameplay experiences I've seen - first part is not bad but it's like any other Ubisoft game - first part is always great until you realize that's all.
Plus the voice actor and actress are both so fucking annoying I would rather listen to a robot voice than them.

>>715565979
2.0 just makes the gameplay better, it doesn't make the static city lifelike as advertised, nor does it add in "in-depth RPG features"

>get max street cred
>have done shitloads of suicide jobs and survived
>armed up to the gills in elite cyberware and legendary weapons
>still get treated like a low-ranking literal who gonk
This pisses me off so much

>>715540835
>>715553069
People who didnt play the game at launch lmao.
It was a buggy nightmare with a million gameplay/scene issues. The only good ending is locked behind being nice to a faggot in your head that is easily misseable if you say one wrong thing during his little gay grave finding.
The entire game outside of the story played like crackdown go kill the nearby goons missions. Its a game that loses novelty quick.. thankfully the movement glitch made the game half decent to travel around because vehicles are absolute fucking dogshit.

>>715544367
Unironically Bethesda games and nothing can touch radiant AI and how interactive it can become. Some could say A-Life in stalker but A-Life is literally radiant AI on another engine.

>>715538920 (OP)
>>mfw 1000 food and junk items you will never use that aren't even fully modeled
>>not being able to tell what color your weapon mods are ahead of time

>>715552816
Won't beat Skyrim because there's no post-game, not enough depth for mods and not enough freedom for RPing.

>>715567563
Weird decision to have weapon/mod skins and not being able to change them.
>pink AR with yellow sight
Fuck that.