Honestly the Hero’s shade actually being Link from Ocarina of Time, passing down his skills to his descendant, is one of the coolest things Nintendo has done.

>>715543795 (OP)
Too bad it's fan fiction.

>>715543795 (OP)
Source?

>>715543795 (OP)
>one of the coolest things Nintendo has done
As is the case for most of Twilight Princess. It captures the essence of cool better than any other Zelda game.

>add random shit to the game
>idiot "game theorists" make up asinine bullshit stories how it's all connected and the game is a 3deep5u 11/10 masterpiece

>>715544007
what was cool about 75% of the game being shit

Post yfw OoT Link is confirmed to be a Stalfos as the Hero's Spirit. FADO WAS RIGHT IT ALL RETURNS TO STALFOS! I'M STALING OUT BROS
>inb4 bubble posting

>>715543889
already confirmed shade is the hero of time in the hyrule historia (the ONLY official resource for canon lore)

cope, seethe, mald, and apologize

>>715544052
filtered

>>715543795 (OP)
I love that the manga was basically a bunch of wish fulfillment for the game, letting the Hero's Shade take a swing at Ganon was rad as fuck.

>>715544179
Is TP Link the only one who's explicitly related to another Link?

>>715544007
GOAT IN!
GOAT IN!
GOAT IN!

>>715544179
>Zelda games are self contained stories besides direct sequels with no connections between Links
>except for TP! Bro, did you play OoT? Uh yah, lol, of course you did! Honestly, I don't know what happened with Wind Waker LOL.. just a phase. You like my game now that I referenced OoT, right? :)

>>715544975
Pretty much. And it’ll remain one of those anomalies confined to games earlier in the franchise, considering Fujibayashi’s new lore from Skyward Sword was effectively an in-universe excuse to be lazy and never have to experiment with world, characters, and story.

>>715544151
>>715544179
Doesn't seem very heroic to want to brag to the world about how amazing you are. OoT's Link didn't seem like that sort of person.

>>715545856
There's bragging, then there's going through life as a nobody because circumstances erased your world-saving hardships, losing every meaningful connection you had in the process. A man is allowed some bitterness.

>>715545856
Hey man who cares about tonal consistency when you can have callbacks? This. Is. The. Same. Link. From. Ocarina!!

>>715543795 (OP)
Don't worry, anons here will still think it's cringe

>>715546258
Because it is. Zelda ended with Majora's Mask.

>>715543795 (OP)
>passing down his skills
You mean the ones shamelessly lifted from Wind Waker?

>>715544824
>posts one of the few good sections
it's like the dog in full metal alchemist, there's nothing else worth talking about

>>715545549
>all self-contained

This has never been the case. Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to 1. Both WW and TP are direct sequels to OoT, each one being a continuation of the split timeline, and MM is painfully obviously a sequel to the Hero of Time's story.. Link Between Worlds is a direct sequel to LttP, and so is Link's Awakening. BotW is the continuation of the story set up in SS, and TotK is obviously the sequel to BotW. There are more games that are sequels than are not.

>>715546139
>going through life as a nobody
Link still had Epona, Zelda, KG, etc. Even after being expelled from Kokiri he didn't mope around as a fucking child he just got down to business. Does that really sound like a guy who would lament his lost adventures, or who would continue to press onward (like in Majora's ending where he got a proper sendoff from his fairy partner deapite undergoing similar conditions). Sick of the depressed readings of a chad hero.

>>715546258
It's summertime on /v/. Most anons have never played a Zelda game, and if they have it's BotW or TotK. They parrot opinions they hear here and treat them as fact.

>>715547434
>BotW or TotK
I think they are both good games but is it weird that in my mind I don't conciser them "zelda games"?

>>715547089
I didn't say "all", you did.
>timeline shit
I do not give a fuck. Zelda and Zelda 2 are the same Link, i.e., direct sequels. Same for OoT and MM. I honestly can't remember the connection between LA, LttP, and Oracles, but I assumed handheld Links were always the same. Don't care about anything post TP.

>>715545856
>>715546141
hey, samefag, replying to yourself doesn't automatically strengthen your nonsensical argument

facts dont care about your feelings

>>715543795 (OP)
Actually the coolest thing that Nintendo ever did is when King said "Enough, I wonder what's for DINNER!" in regards to the worries and strifes in his journey to Gamelon.

>>715547926
Holy fuck bro, go back to your reddit maga echo chamber

>>715544151
Not this post again...

>>715548406
lol

>>715547157
Majora's Mask has an overarching theme of grief, getting over things doesn't mean you don't feel them. Besides, a lifetime of being just some guy when in reality you saved the whole kingdom would wear on anyone.

>>715543795 (OP)
He was cool in the manga

>>715548810
>Besides, a lifetime of being just some guy when in reality you saved the whole kingdom would wear on anyone.
Different anon, but I can agree with you that in reality, it's one of those things that would wear a man down. However at the same time, surely you see how such a thing could also take away from what people consider a "deserved" happy ending for the character. A man who dreams of past glories instead of appreciating the peace he's attained is just another soldier instead of the noble hero that Link is portrayed as. It's a clash of ideals.
I do like his portrayal for the most part, but I do understand why it rubs some the wrong way.

>>715548810
This is true and you have a cooler head then I do when discussing this stuff. I don't think Link would ever be "that guy" when he proved himself so many times at a young age. He was destined for greatness, or at least, widespread recognition for his heroism even if it wasn't for his most trying adventures. I'll just say I like Zelda's take on Skull Knight and leave it at that. TP did have some awesome skeletons.

>>715548454
You know it to be true

>>715546753
I love Twilight Princess and I enjoyed both versions of the Full Metal Alchemist anime for their faults. And yes, I thought Frank Archer was cool, we have a more faithful version of Full Metal Alchemist anyway so I can enjoy the less faithful version without getting mad.

>>715544151
>>715544179
It really baffles me why people on /v/ get their panties in a twist of the thought that Zelda games can be sequels to each other when it's the point of the game, it's telling the various stories of different heroes throughout time, all chosen by the goddesses or often related to one another, to fight against evil and destruction. The Zelda timeline is a giant mess right now with all the time travel alternate timeline stuff but it's literally called "THE LEGEND of Zelda" not "The Legend of Zelda". It's all the same story, the same legend. Like I don't understand why people get so offended over this, I assume it's because they don't like a certain game in the franchise or multiple games in the franchise and want to write them off as not impacting their favorite Zelda game, and fair enough, I'm not a huge fan of most Zelda games honestly. But at some point the denial is ridiculous.

>>715549978
>I don't understand why
Because you're normal anon. Only butthurt faggots get bent out of shape over it.

>>715549215
He married the cutie Malon and after saving Termina and having at least one kid.

>>715549215
> is just another soldier instead of the noble hero that Link is portrayed as
He comes back from the dead to train TP Link into finishing off Ganondorf for good and is even more badass in the manga.

>>715549215
>>715549505
Regret is something you just learn to deal with, it doesn't really go away. Realistically, he has a lot of things to regret, or at least lament. The one that the Hero's Shade actually states is that he couldn't pass his skills on, which is an extremely normal thing for a man to regret at the end of his life, so it may be one of those things that one regret digs up another.

Blog Post:
I have had the misfortune of burying most of my male family members, and every single one I actually spent time with had things they just unloaded on me because I would listen. My grandfather talked a lot about not having sons, despite loving my mom and her sisters, and he hated that he wouldn't see what kind of men my cousins and I would become. My dad basically regretted most of his adult life, and deliriously told me about the woman he wishes he'd married instead of my mom. It doesn't matter what you have, there's going to be something that tears at you in the end.

>>715544151
What's picrel?
>>715543795 (OP)
Is this MM? What's happening in that scene? Link vs link?

>>715543795 (OP)
OoT Link and Zelda being the bespoke Hero of Time and Princess of Legend that Ganondorf and King Daphnes wishes to recreate in Link and Tetra is more cool than this.

At what point did OoT Link end up becoming a large-armored "warrior" anyway? Feels unreminiscent.

>>715543795 (OP)
>>715544007
Agreed. Another thing that left an impression back in the day was the hidden village. Oh and the sacred grove's haunting version of the kokiri tune.

The ocarina of time references gave a sense of history, and were perfect for the somber atmosphere with a hint of nostalgia.

>>715550791
I'm a bit of a history buff, and I have an fanfic-tier theory about it. In the middle ages,and even into the modern era, figures of antiquity were seen through a modern lens, and their artistic depictions reflected that. Pictured are Julius Caeser, Hector of Troy, and Alexander the Great wearing then-modern armor. Instead of viewing Hyrule as the most stagnant culture in fiction, I choose to see the depictions as stories being told, which would explain why the progenitor civilization is wearing the exact same shit as people generations later.

I'll always be annoyed they stopped making link left handed, that's like making duke nukem dye his hair black

>>715550565
Hyrule Encyclopedia
https://archive.org/details/TheLegendOfZeldaEncyclopedia/page/n95/mode/2up

>>715551449
This is actually a really cool theory to explain that really goofy fact.

>>715543795 (OP)
Nah, it always came off as forced shonen fanservice to me, and ruined any potential going for third Hero of Time game, or the mystery surrounding his fate after MM.
Also the Shade is kind of an arrogant asshole and it pretty much goes against how Link acted in OoT and MM and the lessons he learned in those games.

As another anon said, it's written like bad fanfiction from a person who doesn't actually understand Zelda.

>>715544007
Nah, everything wolf related was shit and everything else was a shittier version of OoT

>>715549000
>trips
>that ganon face
alright, ima read the manga

>>715553742
>filtered by wolf kino
many such cases

>>715551884
Interesting, thanks. So that's link from another universe?

>>715547157
All facsimiles and illusions, especially with time travel, he was living in a time where everything is manufactured by messing with time. He has memories with them that they don't have as stated in Majora's Mask. Someone like u you could never understand and are content to deal with a fabrication of life that is not truly real.
Like a jigsaw piece forced into a different puzzle but it fits so it belongs there

>>715554694
It's a different Link who dabbled in different alternate timelines. Basically some Dr. Strange levels of timeline fuckery.

>>715554093
okami is such a shit game, did anyone ever make a mod that cuts out all the puzzle explanation cutscenes and tutorials and like 90% of the other cutscenes/dialogue so it plays more like a videogame and less like a very, very, very, very slow, boring and tedious movie?

>>715555859
How does travel work in Zelda? Master blade or triforce?

>>715549000
The blessed manga grannies added so much great material

2gether 5ever

I would be okay with the Hero's Shade if he wasn't some cocky asshole who talked, acted and looked like some pompous aristocratic royal knight. OoT Link always gave off the vibes of a humble kid who didn't really care about that crap. I would think he'd cared more about the personal bonds and friendships he lost to time manipulation, than he would about remembered in throughout history as some legendary hero to the masses. Kind of goes against everything he learned and experienced after MM too.

>>715554093
Dude stfu

>>715556814
>stfu
Use your words.

>>715545856
That motive exists only in the Historia, in the game he simply laments not having had someone to pass his skills to until he found someone of his bloodline in Link. Which raises the question if he had heirs, why did he not teach them? Was Link a deadbeat dad?

>>715543795 (OP)
Yep, and it's completely canon. Ignore the seethers.

>>715558493
Could be that his kids simply weren't hero material. We can say he loved them, but if they couldn't succeed his ways, then his techniques would just die out no matter how he felt or what he did. I think Orca in Wind Waker mentions something similar, how the island's swordsmanship is dying out because there's no one worthy around to keep it alive anymore.

>>715558493
Was probably just content with his kids being farmers/ranchers, not thinking his descendants would ever have to live in a world with Ganondorf.

>>715558493
The look of the shade alone implies that he MIA'd in combat and was left to rot and decay in the woods.

>>715547089
BotW isn't connected to TotK. It's no more connected to SS than it is to any other

>>715545549
>what happened to Wind Waker
You don’t even need to read any supplementary material to figure out that the two sequels are the result of a timeline split. A big element of WW’s lore in game is the legend of a hero who traveled time, and is said to have gone back, then Ganondorf returns again from being sealed away and the hero does not reappear. He was removed to the Majora’s Mask timeline. Twilight Princess tells the story of Ganondorf being arrested as a man, which would only happen as a result of child Link warning the royal family about what happened in after he goes back to the past, at the end of OoT. Sure it takes some thought, but it’s easy to comprehend once you recognize what each game is referencing in the other.

>>715559803
>which would only happen as a result of child Link warning the royal family about what happened
nigga the plot of oot is that zelda warns everyone about ganon and nobody listens, why the fuck would they listen to some random kid wearing rags
doesn't it make more sense to say the plot split is the king listens to zelda

>>715558754
>>715558937
I see a lot of other people are subscribing to the idea that he married a farm girl, presumably Malon. It makes a lot of sense, TP link being a farm boy, having a horse named Epona. However
>>715558969
I also agree with this. Hero’s Shade/Spirit appears full-grown, is wearing a new set of armor Link didn’t have as a child, and that armor looks overgrown with forest growth, is missing an eye, and has many skills he must have continued to gain over time. I think “died in battle” or “died lost in the forest on some adventure” is strongly implied here, more than that he settled down after his adventures and had a peaceful farm life.

>>715558493
There are a lot of subtle lore implications throughout TP which insinuate that a series of catastrophic events occurred some time between the events MM and TP, that the Hero of Time somehow became aware of cyclical Demise cycle, went to borderline-insane lengths to give the next hero-in-line a small jumpstart, and somehow died in combat while doing so.

>>715560503
>I see a lot of other people are subscribing to the idea that he married a farm girl, presumably Malon. It makes a lot of sense, TP link being a farm boy, having a horse named Epona.
The hyrule theme at night is reminiscent of Malon's singing, but more mournful. A mother looking after son/grandson whatever. A lullaby.

No, it doesn't prove theories, it's just a nice connection if you want to make one.

>>715545549
>Zelda games are self contained stories besides direct sequels with no connections between Links
Whoever came up with this retarded take has clearly never ever played a Zelda outside of BotW.

>>715560520
That’s an interesting interpretation, what makes you think he was actually aware of the cyclical nature of the struggle in life, rather than just passing his skills to a worthy descendant?

>>715561641
Because he read the non-canon manga.

>>715560880
Love that kind of stuff.

>>715544179
Ill cope and seeth and mald but i would never apologize

>>715561778
Based

>>715560147
The hero’s very continued existence in the past is enough to split the timeline. Link’s journey into Termina didn’t happen in the adult timeline OoT happens in, because he was sealed away in the sacred realm. Link telling Zelda not to open the Sacred Realm is a guess, we don’t hear what words are said when Link returns to the courtyard, but it’s the logical conclusion of what Zelda tells him before sending him back, that it was a mistake. TP calls Ganondorf “blind” to his plan being exposed, so at some point he was revealed for the traitor he was and brought to be executed, something that isn’t in the adult timeline. If you think it’s implausible the words of Link were enough, then weigh the fact that Ganondorf looks older in that cutscene than he does in OoT. It may have taken time to out-scheme Ganondorf and subdue him.

>>715559803
OoT had a good ending for adult Link's world (for basically everyone except Link himself) but child Link's world had a complete non-ending in comparison. Zelda got ran out of town as a child but after Link beats Ganon in another timeline she's back in the castle again? They did the smart thing for MM and disregarded it entirely, then did the unsmart thing and tried to build on said non-ending with TP, which was compounded by TP itself trying really really hard to be OoT again. Trying to make OoT Link out to be the hero's shade in TP just invites unnecessary speculation about the former, which is how you get bizarre cope like >>715560520 for example and Malon shippers who really need to shut up.

>>715543889
Well it's at least Canon he's a Hero that predates Link in TP, and as far as we know the Hero of Time is the only hero that does that.

Plus, you play OOT/MM songs to summon him, which seems to be a pretty big himt.

>>715544007
What evolutionary advantage does this goat have from having its horns conjoin at the end like that?

>>715562502
Yeah man, everyone’s just stupid except you, the guy who doesn’t get how the ending works
> Zelda got ran out of town as a child but after Link beats Ganon in another timeline she's back in the castle again?
Because she’s not back in the castle “again”, Link has been sent back to the time before they unsealed the sacred realm. Zelda can’t give him a normal childhood like she wanted if it’s in the time where Ganondorf is has already gotten what he wanted.
>They did the smart thing for MM and disregarded it entirely,
They told an unrelated side story you mean.
>then did the unsmart thing and tried to build on said non-ending with TP, which was compounded by TP itself trying really really hard to be OoT again.
They told a direct follow-up later you mean. Nothing was compounded, they simply extrapolated based on the plot points they had already set up.

>>715562780
>Plus, you play OOT/MM songs to summon him, which seems to be a pretty big himt.
The Triforce of Courage, tunic, Zora armor, iron boots, the Hero's Bow, fuck just about everything you get in this game was literally from that Link and the game makes it a point to point it out.

>>715562860
Forget evolutionary fitness, I don’t think that’s even biologically possible as a mutation. It’s not how horns work.

>>715562860
It just looks cool

>>715563390
Was Din, Farore or Nayru behind this choice then.

>>715560880
>reminiscent
It’s literally the sound from OoT’s soundfont used for Malon singing Epona’s Song

>>715563104
And the fucking fact that The Hero's Shade literally has the Master Sword's scabbard on his back. And it has already been discussed in a 4chan Zelda thread.
Literal 1+1=2 but people insists that it's 49

>>715563080
>Because she’s not back in the castle “again”, Link has been sent back to the time before they unsealed the sacred realm.
That was after Zelda got chased off by Ganondorf, but in the ending after Navi leaves Link he meets Zelda again in the castle. There's no indication that he was somehow sent back to a time before Zelda fled the castle, so how does this not a non-ending work?

>>715563774
ZeLinkers don’t like the implications of The Hero’s Shade for multiple reasons and try to shout down what any fan paying attention pretty much pieced together in 06/07.

>>715563879
>There's no indication that he was somehow sent back to a time before Zelda fled the castle
Other than the fact that she’s literally standing in the exact same spot where Link first meets her? The fuck kind of argument is this? There’s no evidence Link is in the time before Zelda fled the castle, except for the fact that Zelda is right there, in the castle?

>>715563774
Plus, he's left-handed. Has there ever been a left-handed character other than Link in the entire Zelda series?

>>715564179
Link's Uncle but then that just goes further to support the idea it's inherited

>>715544179
>>715544975
>>715545778
Maybe I'm just wrong, but I never saw OOT Link (Hero's Shade) as being a direct genetic ancestor of TP Link, but more of a reincarnation of the same spirit of courage. Kind of like Aang's relationship with past Avatars in ATLA; they're all unrelated individuals connected by the Avatar Spirit in a sort of reincarnation cycle and the past Avatars spiritually counsel the present Avatar because they all do have their own distinct souls/existence. That's how I see OOT Link and TP Link; OOT Link appears as the Hero's Shade to counsel his successor, not due to blood relation, but a spiritual connection in their roles/destinies.

>>715561641
>talking about the forcefully accepting "role of the hero" as if it's some inescapable fate
>planned future encounters with the next hero-in-line through the carved Sheikah stones
>Temple of Time moved to the Lost Woods, away from castle town and guarded by a skull kid who knew the Hero of Time's songs
>Temple of Time actually transports TP Link back into the past, and features murals depicting a young Link conversing with both zoras, rito and ooccoo
>all of the implications behind Snowpeak being some sort of secret militia or military group, and the resistance group possibly being the descendants descendants of that militia
>lots of random abandoned caves dotted throughout Hyrule that also likely functioned as hideaways for said secret group

There's plenty more to mention, but basically the Hero of Time was doing serious preparation work before someone or something suddenly killed him off. Guy definitely just wasn't sticking around to teach TP Link some random sword skills and fuck off for good.

>>715543795 (OP)
Meanwhile Wind Waker link got fucking robbed of the distinction of not having any of the heroes bloodline in his veins thanks to the power of Timeline bypassing reincarnation bullshit

Skyward Sword was a mistake.

>>715564113
Oh, when I was typing that post I didn't realize that was what you were actually going with. Yes, changing the rules of time travel in the same game right at the end makes it (and TP's allusions by extension) make perfect sense. It would technically mean that time's Ganondorf wasn't actually guilty of any on-screen crimes but we won't worry about that.

>>715563645
probably Farore since her domain is living creatures

>>715564823
If anything that makes WW Link's feats insanely impressive.
Personally I never liked the royal knight bloodline shit to begin with, and who knows if it's still canon at this point.

>>715545549
>WW fan seething out of nowhere

>>715565385
Please understand, we got half a game and an 8 hour sidequest featuring tingle.

>>715565380
>Personally I never liked the royal knight bloodline shit to begin with
I don't understand why it would even be a thing when the games themselves give no impression that it matters at all, Wind Waker itself being a prime example. People who are obsessed with bloodlines should consider getting into Castlevania instead.

>>715564715
>talking about the forcefully accepting "role of the hero" as if it's some inescapable fate
I mean that’s something, but could be divine knowledge gained in the afterlife rather than a mystery he unraveled in life, because
>planned future encounters with the next hero-in-line through the carved Sheikah stones
I imagine the Sheikah carved the stones, I always, I suppose, thought the shade was simply using them as conduits. Planning this may not be necessary, just the regrets and unfinished business of a powerful spirit
>Temple of Time moved to the Lost Woods, away from castle town and guarded by a skull kid who knew the Hero of Time's songs
Skull kid knew the songs because he was a friend of Link, didn’t he? I have no idea how Link himself could have physically transported the temple of time there if we assume it’s the original temple that moved, not the forest and the castle.
>Temple of Time actually transports TP Link back into the past, and features murals depicting a young Link conversing with both zoras, rito and ooccoo
Rito were confirmed as a feature the remaster team added without much thought to lore. I don’t remember them or Link in the original murals
>all of the implications behind Snowpeak being some sort of secret militia or military group, and the resistance group possibly being the descendants descendants of that militia
I don’t remember that last part at all. Snowpeak’s definitely a military base, but what's the connection to the resistance?

Here’s my interpretation: MM link lived a life that was pretty metaphysically normal, if a bit adventurous, had some kids, gained more skills, but died with regrets. Then after death, he came back to help the next hero in the cycle.

>>715547672
>I honestly can't remember the connection between LA, LttP, and Oracles
Link saves Zelda and Hyrule (LttP), then he gets summoned by the Triforce and magically sent to Labrynna and Holodrum (Ages and Seasons), then he sets sail to take a break and ends up on Koholint Island (LA). This order is known because the true ending of the Oracles games shows Link sailing away on a boat identical to the one from the start of Link's Awakening.

>>715565228
>Yes, changing the rules of time travel in the same game right at the end makes it (and TP's allusions by extension) make perfect sense.
That’s what happens on screen. Previously, Link would use the Ocarina to teleport back to the Temple of Time in the same time period he’s in, and then pull or put back the sword to switch between past and future. But Zelda uses the Ocarina to directly send Link back to the past.

>>715556310
malanya is masculine though

>>715560520
>there's a lot of subtle lore implications to a Zelda game's eventd that wasn't even conceived when TP was released, much less written
Come on bro. Jesus Christ

>>715565769
Thanks

>>715566048
See, playing the game you'd think it was the Master Sword that was what allowed Link to travel back and forth through time but I guess Zelda can do that as well, somehow. And she can choose a specific point in time to send Link to as well, so she must be even more powerful.

>>715566050
She can lead me deep into her forest any day.

>>715566050
Kino

>>715566552
It would have made more sense if she got to touch the Triforce and make a wish for Link to go back to that moment.

Mine was adding trains. Driving that choo choo around made me feel like I was 8 again and treating games as a toy rather than something I need to follow.

>>715568016
Adding trains to what?