Thread 715553050

If you didn't like Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom, what can Nintendo do to convince you to stay on board with the new formula?

Make Link's green hat and vest the default.

Remove climbing. Remove static abilities that you get from the beginning. Add unique gear again. Remove the open world for a more curated experience. Add dungeons, like real ones like we used to have. Put Link in green again for fuck's sake, Make quests reward you with shit you actually care about. Remove stamina. Add heart pieces back. Give me only 1 horse and her name is Epona.

>>715553050 (OP)
Just make good dungeons again. The way they are now feel so hollow and unexciting compared to what they used to be like. I miss dungeon items and seeing unique monsters in said dungeons too. It was so fucking lazy for shrine enemies and zonai constructs to be the fill in enemies in the major "dungeons" in both games.

>>715553050 (OP)
Why did she eat that poor frog?

>>715553241
Lead art director for the series said they don't like Link's hat anymore, he's not getting it back.

>>715553050 (OP)
>what can Nintendo do to convince you to stay on board with the new formula?
Moar Zelda ass, naked shoulders, and exposed belly.

>>715553418
>Give me OoT again

>>715553694
Yes.

Create a civilization where you have to either follow the law or break the law to get where you're going. Make an economy where you can buy and sell goods with different prices based on supply and demand. Make the underrworld a labyrinth instead of another open world.

>>715553050 (OP)
The people who bitch about Wilds Zelda just want a Link-themed Soulslike. Which they'll get with the exclusive Elden Ring Tarnished ed. on Switch 2. They will still complain, because they don't actually like games and either want a brutal Skinner box button masher or a moviegame. The number of people with positive experiences with pre-Wilds Zelda is fucking tiny and pushing 40 at this point. It's just not a demo worth dedicating the biggest 1P franchise to. Nintedo will just ignore them.

>>715553606
This. If you're going to give me shit gameplay then I want more T&A

>>715553808
>The number of people with positive experiences with pre-Wilds Zelda is fucking tiny

Are you actually retarded?

>>715553050 (OP)
add actual dungeons (like tp) but make it less linear (unlike tp)

>>715553808
>just want a Link-themed Soulslike
Yes? Zelda makes more sense leaning Souls than it does fucking Farcry.

>>715553050 (OP)
>to stay on board with the new formula
nothing lol, it's so god damned bad.

>>715554018
He is a very obvious troll, and you fell for him by replying. The stupid person here is you.

>>715553554
Sauce or youre a liar

>>715554063
anon is on to something

>>715553050 (OP)
They have to make it canon.
That is the only solution.

>>715553554
>no more Middle-Earth or Neverland aesthetics
>Ghibli aesthetic that barely tries to be fantasy anymore until that fuck Aonuma drops dead

>>715553418
I don't mind not green link, otherwise I agree with you.
They should also get rid of the Hylia godess plot. The original trio was more interesting despite not really doing anything.

>>715553050 (OP)
Nintendo doesn't even have to do THAT much crazy shit to win most classic fans over.
>leave the open-air gameplay for the open world, keep the dungeons linear
>flesh out the dungeons a bit more, replace the shrines with mini dungeons, scale-down on the empty open world; less is more
>better soundtrack that's more majestic and melodic in its score, less 'atmospheric' tracks
>hire better voice actors, BoTW and ToTK english VAs fucking sucked and ruined literally every fucking cutscene
>darker tone and atmosphere, NPCs that aren't oblivious the dangers around them
>remove durability and infinite eating, it kills the difficulty of the game and trivializes everything into a busywork simulator
>drammatically increase the enemy variety. I'm not asking for an Elden Ring-sized bestiary, but TotK's enemy roster was still terrible after the 6-year wait
>start giving a fuck about the story and lore in their games. They kind of have to, now that they're entering the movie & TV industries either way.
>implement difficulty settings from the get go. And no, it can't be something as lazy as increasing the damage output from enemies, or turning them into HP sponges. They'll need faster dodges and attack patterns too.

Basically, Nintendo will have to drop the Ubislop copy-paste format to win people over. That means putting more effort into the dungeons, story and towns. EoW was already a step in the right direction, despite its shortcomings. It's just a matter of whether or not they're willing to put actual effort into the next game, and not exploit a shitty gimmick that nobody asked for as a mask for lazy game development.

>>715553808
Soulslikes often lack the puzzles, the item-based progression gimmicks and the towns full of NPCs giving out side-quests, so no.

>Zelda isn't a mixed version of Western and some old Japanese thematic settings
>Modern Zelda is sugoi nippon ichi shinto religion sci Fi technology with sprinkles of adventure

>>715553050 (OP)
>what can Nintendo do to convince you to stay on board
Do to Aonuma and Fujibayashi what they did to Gunpei Yokoi.

>>715554247
NTA but https://zeldauniverse.net/2017/03/20/breath-of-the-wilds-art-director-satoru-takizawa-links-hat-is-no-longer-cool/

>>715557484
I'm fine with them ditching the hat as long as his future getups are still green.

>>715553050 (OP)
I liked the games.

I think 90% of the complaints would go away if there was a hookshot somewhere.

Make Link's green hat and vest the default.

>>715557484
Fuck that is depressing

On one hand I want a Hyrule you can interact with NPCs however you want. On the other hand Nintendo lately has been restrictive with how you play games lately.

>>715554447
Wind waker, Skyward sword

>>715553694
>Give me the most praised game of all time again

>>715554447
If you only care about Link X Zelda just play Zelda II you horny bafoon.

>>715553694
>>715562432
Aonuma has spent his entire career since 2003 making it extraordinarily clear that he is incapable of making the OOT formula work.
You do not want more Aonuma-OOT, that's what spawned shit like Skyward Sword. If you want more OOT, ask for new higher-ups.

>>715557484
how did zelda, of all franchises, become staffed with devs who hate everything about it?

Condense all the content into a much smaller layered city and some surrounding areas.

In other words, do a MM with it.

>>715563028
Nepo babies who got bullied in school during the 80s or 90s are doing this to every popular franchise in the world out of spite, JJ Abrams with Star Wars is the most famous example, or Zeb Wells with Spiderman, Japan has a near identical problem with people weaseling in and burning it all down.

>>715553050 (OP)
not using the same map for a third time
more permanent progression, (i.e. give me some cool shit in the mid and late game)
better dungeons,
immediately fire everyone responsible for the storytelling in those games and get anyone with an IQ over 90 that actually cares about telling a cohesive, engaging story.
nerf vertical mobility, not necessarily remove climbing, but it destroys the potential for more involved level design.
nerf healing consumables, being able to much your entire inventory while paused is absolutely ridiculous and not fun,
either reduce capacity or don't make it a free action to heal in combat, maybe both

as it is, the souls games are more zelda than botw & totk

>>715553418
>green
green doesn't matter, what actually matters is Link being left handed

>>715563678
I don't think these people realize once you kill your franchise beyond repair, even if it has shills or people with sunk-cost fallacy logic its never going to reach comparable heights again. Like its just relatively simple logic that alienating customers and word of mouth will work against you.

>>715562980
from his post-botw-release interviews its also extraodinarily clear that he really doesn't get what people liked about oot and it's formula
he literally says so himself

Post Ganon

>>715553050 (OP)
the new formula is too dull, i played Red Dead Redemption 6 years before BotW came out, i already wandered around grassy fields and collecting rare items and such, nowadays every game is trying to copy it, the best solution is to reinvent the format again or go back to the OoT format, open world stuff has been tried to death and worn thin

Also doesn't help that Botw and TotK have extremely dull stories with very little going on to make it interesting, OoT may have had a "save the princess from the great evil" as well but it handled it in proper doses and didn't shove it down your throat that Zelda is the main character and let you adventure off to do other sidequests, Sign Cuck and collecting Koroks aren't real sidequests, they're tasks with no depth

>>715564002
Oh they know. they know very well what they're doing, they're killing off all legacy content to introduce their new replacements later on.

>>715553050 (OP)
get someone who actually gives two shits about continuity, worldbuilding and characters to write

fire whoever was in charge of making the elemental temples in totk

get rid of most of the meaningless busywork. garbage like korok seeds, disposable weapons, addison etc should all be gone. every landmark should have curated, individually structured activities and reward, not the same shit copypasted hundreds of times, and before you say nuzelda wasn’t the first to do copypasted bullshit, it was certainly the most unbearable and egregious one

if they’re going to give us shrines, for god’s sake don’t leave a third of them empty just because they’re in a cave or some shit

>>715564190
What the fuck is that?
HOLY SHIT IS THAT THE ORICALCHUM EYE?

>>715553050 (OP)
They can make the 4 main dungeons twice as long, fill them with enemies not seen anywhere else, introduce a central mechanic that Link gets access to ever since you visit that dungeon and onwards that can manipulate the environment, like the Divine Beast Map mechanics (but then there are random Divine Beasty secrets out in the world you get access to) and lastly, write a story that doesn't suck and provide voice direction that's worth a damn.

TotK was almost there for me, but it focuses on the wrong stuff with the additional shrines and commoditization of caves, sign dudes, koroks and sky islands. I basically just want BotW but where there can be dungeons found inside the world, like you find them in A Link to the Past, and they're long, seamlessly interwoven with the world itself, some are optional, and the main story isn't toddler garbage writing.

OoT, Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening and Wind Waker all had evocative scriptwriting. Clearly the writers they've used since the DS games and Skyward Sword are complete idiots. That has to change, because they have enough cutscenes and dialogue throughout BotW, but the writing just fucking sucks with how plain and basic it is.

>>715553050 (OP)
l enjoyed Echoes of Wisdom more than both of those. I may enjoy the monster catching aspect if applied to a 3D BotW style world. Alternatively, do for dungeons, what BotW did for the open world.

>>715565534
Exactly. Dungeons feel so small in these games because they don't play to the same scale of the moveset as elsewhere.
In Old Zeldas you couldn't move around that easily outside of dungeons so dungeons conversely felt really huge and mazelike. In BotW the world itself feels gigantic, but dungeons feel like they're as big in size as old-3D dungeons.

Dungeons should feel like you're in some huge area with far to the ceiling and far to get down below, and you can glide from one end to the other, but there's a set of contraptions in the way you have to clear, by going all across it, and solving riddles and defeating enemy groups. Then there should be a mini-boss you can get to by clearing a first set of riddles, and then a second compartment opens that can lead to the boss or something.

I just miss the aspect of dungeons being like little unfolding narratives. That's lost as Shrines are over in a heartbeat and Divine Beasts/Temples are just dealt with too quickly. There's no reason they can't focus on dungeon design in this format, and make really clever use of the "go at it from any angle" idea. It's basically just Great Plateau on repeat but with a bit more confined spaces.

>>715562980
>You do not want more Aonuma-OOT, that's what spawned shit like Skyward Sword.
And I don't want more Aonuma-ubislop, that's what spawned a literal DLC expansion that took like 6 fucking years to come out

I'll fucking gamble getting another shitty game like SS over BOTW 3

>>715565918
>Dungeons should feel like you're in some huge area with far to the ceiling and far to get down below, and you can glide from one end to the other, but there's a set of contraptions in the way you have to clear

ToTK's Fire Temple almost nailed this vibe, too bad the minecart gimmick is mediocre and you can bypass over half of the dungeon with ultrahand and ascend hacks.

>How do we make Zelda not shit

Give it back to him.

>>715566217
He's the Mario guy now.

>>715566217
He doesn't want to do it though, he left the Zelda team for a reason.

>>715553050 (OP)
My brain can't get over weapon durability, where you have to constantly pull greatswords and spears out of your rectal pocket-dimension to kill bullet-sponge enemies when you get to harder areas. It's like they took the Bethesda Fallout 3 playbook and didn't think it was retarded.

>>715553050 (OP)
>stay on board with the new formula
lol Nothing. I hate the new formula. BotW was enough to keep me off of the series for good. I'm a pretty huge Zelda autist that's got every gold launch edition for the main series, too. I even bought the Zelda edition OLED Switch, but not TotK.

>>715566217
>>715566867
Considering Miyamoto reacted to Link's Awakening by saying "Don't ever write shit like this again" I can imagine why he quit.

>>715568210
>Don't ever write shit like this again
That's just his default reaction to any Mario/Zelda plot he wasn't involved with.

>>715569928
>That's just his default reaction to any plot
FITY

Honestly why should they, there is like 20 people that don't like the new formula.

>>715571375
Because Nintendo hates you.
No, not people like you.
(You) specifically.
Source: I checked.

>>715571470
>Source
>It came to me in a dream