Thread 715555725

I genuinely don't understand why people are upset about game key cards. Yeah you don't have the entire game on a cartridge, but so what? You download games on Steam and don't seem to upset about it. Why's it different on the Switch?

And besides, every game that comes out now has updates after launch, and sometimes DLC. So you still don't truly have the entire game on a cartridge since you'll have to download patches.

I don't get it.

>>715555725 (OP)
I want to own the games, not have to buy them at full price again when the big N decides to take his toys back until I buy the next system
I have NES games older than most of you faggots here that I can pop in and play any time I want, internet or no

>>715556031
Okay but those games didn't have post-launch updates and patches.

>>715556160
That shit pisses me off too. I miss getting complete games at release

>>715555725 (OP)
>I genuinely don't understand why people are upset about game key cards.
They're more or less the worst of both worlds.
Why the fuck should I buy a Key Card instead of a straight up Digital Copy?

There are reasons for why one might prefer a Physical Copy over a Digital Copy.
But are there any reasons to prefer a Key Copy over a Digital Copy?
No matter if you prefer Physical or Digital, what the fuck is the point of Key Copies?

>>715556218
Sometimes you get a totally complete game and they still add more. Like Mario Odyssey.

>>715555725 (OP)
looks ugly as fuck

>>715555725 (OP)
I don't care if the game is like 5 GB. When it's 60+ GB like the next NBA game, fuck off and actually use the physical space. My SD cards will get filled in no time otherwise.

>>715555725 (OP)
You're not going to get proper responses from autists on the Internet who will parrot the same thing how they want to "own the games" despite games since the 7th gen of consoles have gotten patches/updates/DLCs, or that nobody has ever lost the access of their purchased digital games (unless you broke the ToS of the storefront, that's it).

I don't plan on ever getting a key card since I practically buy everything digital, but the majority of consumers are also not going to make the difference between a key card or the PS4/PS5 disc that installs the game data on the internal storage. For them, it's the same difference.

>>715556351
>Why the fuck should I buy a Key Card instead of a straight up Digital Copy?
I wouldn't. I guess some people like boxes, but I buy every game digitally now anyway because it's way more convenient. I just don't see why it makes people so angry.

I dont really get the market for these.
Like the only real use i can see is for rental services to have a physical object they can loan out.
But game rentals havent been a thing for a decade.
Right?

>>715555725 (OP)
I don't think anyone is upset, the games and systems are selling fine. It's just more /v/ shitposting.

Like people complaining about remote shutdown, something the PS5 has done for years.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Yeah you don't have the entire game on a cartridge, but so what?
That's the problem. I bought a physical cart, I expect the game to be on it.

>You download games on Steam and don't seem to upset about it.
Those are explicitly digital games. You can buy digital games for the Switch too, and I do for smaller indie games.

>Why's it different on the Switch?
Because I like owning my games PHYSICAL. A game-key cart is NOT a physical game. It is a piece of plastic that enables a digital game. I refuse to buy game-key carts.

Actually do you need to keep the card in the switch while you game or does the liscense stay active until used in another console.

>>715555725 (OP)
You fucking idiot. You buy a physical release to have the game, the ENTIRE game, on physical media that can be played regardless of internet status. No downloads needed or required. Patches be damned, the game will run and is in a complete state.
You are not getting that with a key card. You are getting absolutely nothing at all except a decryption key. You may as well just purchase digitally at that point.

>>715557028
You have to keep the card in the switch.

>>715557074
you can't resell digital games, with key cards you can

>>715557028
It works exactly the same as regular physical media cards. You have to put the key card in every time you want to play the game, because the key card IS the digital license. Without it, the game doesn't launch.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Yeah you don't have the entire game on a cartridge
More like ANY game, there's no game data at all.
>And besides, every game that comes out now has updates after launch, and sometimes DLC. So you still don't truly have the entire game on a cartridge since you'll have to download patches.
False equivalent, you can still play a game even without any patches 99% of the time, DLC is just extra fluff, the base game will always be there. Also I noticed you failed to mention that Switch 2 requires more expensive micro SD Express cards, and that game file sizes have become retardedly bloated and are only getting worse as time goes on. The entire thing is a fucking mess.
Inti Creates are one of the tiny handful of third parties that are based enough to actually provide a real Switch 2 physical release and I did my part and so should you, go pre-order Majogami.

>>715555725 (OP)
It saves internal storGe space. When games like Split Fiction are over 32GB and I only have 256 to work with, just having the base game without updates/DLC on a card helps me immensely.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Why's it different on the Switch?
Nintendo Switch requires micro express sd cards which are far more expensive than regular sd cards of the same size and they only go up to shit like at most 1TB right now. Combined with modern games being badly optimized and bloated filesizewise this leads to storage issues being a genuine concern so people don't want their physical games to clog up space that could be used for digital games. It's the worst of both worlds.

>>715555725 (OP)
>You download games on Steam and don't seem to upset about it. Why's it different on the Switch?
Because I have full access to and control over all my games on PC to the point I can even go in and modify the game itself. I don't on the Switch, I'm completely at Nintendo's mercy. Digital on PC is just convenience, as it should be. Digital on console is a prison that takes away the only iota of control a consumer had over their games.

>>715555725 (OP)
Because Nintendo went with Microsoft, Snoy, Denuvo, the WEF and the DOGMA corporation to make it so that you need a heckin' Game Key Card to enter Hotel Mario instead of a normal cartridge with all the data on it.

>>715555725 (OP)
Nintendo was the last bastion of physical games

>>715557486
>Also I noticed you failed to mention that Switch 2 requires more expensive micro SD Express cards, and that game file sizes have become retardedly bloated and are only getting worse as time goes on.
You can delete them and redownload them. I've done that countless times on my PS5. Slightly annoying but not really a big deal.

>>715558143
>Digital on console is a prison that takes away the only iota of control a consumer had over their games.
lol
lmao even

>>715557951
I don't like how they use the "we have to raise prices because the cards are expensive" excuse, but also don't make the download versions any cheaper.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Already beaten down with Sony and Microsoft doing the same for years
>What's wrong with the last holdout falling in line
You wouldn't understand, smoothbrained pc "gamer"-kun

I specifically buy physical because I want something permanent that doesn't rely on an internet connection. I want to be able to say I can play a game I buy now in 25 years without having questions about it. Physical is the only way to do this.

Game Key Cards lack this by simply being the equivalent of codes in a box, except in practice they also have the inconvenience of physical (cart swapping etc.).

I see the purpose of them for some people - it's a cheap way to manufacture physical that still allows resale. But I never resell, so that's pointless to me. Considering this I'd find it inoffensive if it was used as a way for smaller games that might not otherwise be able to release physical would use. But that's not the case. Almost every third party game on the system is using these things. In practice this makes a physical collection for the system more impossible than any other platform before it.

>>715556869
>>You download games on Steam and don't seem to upset about it.
>Those are explicitly digital games. You can buy digital games for the Switch too, and I do for smaller indie games.
I guess OP is a faggot who ignores the fact people shat on tose PC fisical releases that only came with an steam code inside the ox...

>>715555725 (OP)
If your game requires patches/dlc to be functional/good/"complete", its trash that was released too early. You shouldn't be buying that shit to begin with. And if pc devs were not fags, i would still buy physical pc games. If im going to go through the trouble of buying a physical switch/playstation game, it better damn well have a fully playable game on it. The keys deserve to fail and all current evidence shows people are not interested in them.

>>715558607
>Already beaten down with Sony and Microsoft doing the same for years
How... when...?

>>715556160
Why does that matter? Are you buying games that need those things to be worth it?

>>715556867
The keys are not selling as well as intended and Nintendo even sent out a survey regarding them. People buying physical copies dont want then. The recent Disgaea is struggling to sell since it was announced as a key.

>>715558954
Every non indy game needing a retardedly big download just to play the thing. It's been around so long I'm sure most don't realize that it's happening every time

>>715555725 (OP)
Nintendo picked a format that costs $16 a cart. They realized third parties weren't going to jump at that, so they created key cards.

They should have said fuck it and gone all digital.

>>715558978
If I only had the base game of Smash Ultimate, I'd still have fun, but I'd be sad I couldn't play as Joker.

>>715559141
>The recent Disgaea is struggling to sell since it was announced as a key.
https://store.nisamerica.com/products/disgaea-7-complete-ewwdo-edition
>STILL at 100% stock

The fact that Nintendo is asking people why they don't like key cards fills me with hopium.

>>715559242
Very few PS and Xbox games require a patch to boot. Day one big patches ARE a thing, and they suck, but that's not the same thing as requiring a download.

>>715559457
God that sucks. Shame since I'm a fucking massive Disgaea fan and usually buy these releases.

>>715559457
Sick fan, I'd buy that for $5 if they sold it on its own.

>>715559457
Third parties need to learn the hard way that consoles are only a road to death for them at this point, for profit and as creators.

>>715559468
Where? How?
I'd love to share my take with them

>>715560090
JP customers onry

>>715558607
>Already beaten down with Sony and Microsoft doing the same for years
The only that is remotely similar is the xbx 360 games for the newer consoles, dont know how it works on fagstation

>>715560296
That sounds about right (-_-)

>buy a physical box
>there is no game inside
>there is only a code to download said game and it is perpetual**
**its not perpetual if you don't follow nintendos guidelines
humiliation ritual and predictive programming

Some time ago the only benefit consoles had was that you could play the games when you wanted. They obviously no longer have that benefit and you can only play the games on the terms you're allowed for as long as the company chooses to support it.
You can still play Mario on the NES if you have the console and game, despite Nintento no longer supporting the NES.
What will happen to the games when they stop supporting the switch and turn off the download servers?

>>715556598
>just don't see why it makes people so angry
because all 3rd party games are keycards so its pretty clear these are the replacement for physical media. I am not as worried or mad as others, I too buy digital games, but I dont like the ability to own hard copies of the game being fazed out

>>715555725 (OP)
They are probably the closest thing to NFT software keys we will ever get. They are better than full digital purchases but worse than full physical releases.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Whataboutism
>Y-yeah sure it's shit, b-but what about [other company]

>>715560854
Even Wii Shop Channel lets you download games that you own

>>715561117
Why would you want to keep and play games whenever you want, regardless of internet connection or subscription status?
nso is way better because subscriptions are the modern thing, and I feel cool and trendy by doing so

>>715561117
>that you own
Not even getting into THAT can of worms a key card doesn't even confirm shit.
You don't "activate" a game on your profile as bought and owned
So if Nintendo decides to close the store down you can't download the game you have the fucking key for.
At least if you had the game on the card there could be a way to activate it.

This switch is entirely because Nintendo has a bee in its bonnet over piracy. Thinks it's the devil and billions are stealing games from them daily.
Literally buck broken over a paperclip

>>715561117
Nintendo will quietly remove your ability to do that the moment they think they can get away with it, mark my words. They want you rebuying these games over and over again, letting you keep access to them directly goes against that.

>>715556353
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>>715555725 (OP)
Cause you're a braindead cult member

>>715555725 (OP)
Why do you assume I'm not pirating games on PC and only buy physical games?

>>715557486
Damn Switch 2 boxer are so ugly. Switch 1 was perfect.

>>715555725 (OP)
>You download games on Steam and don't seem to upset about it
I am though. I would buy every PC on disc if it were available, and not just a steam installer on a disc.

>>715556031
>I want to own the games
No, you don't, steamie

>>715555725 (OP)
>I don't download games on Steam
>console gamers and PC gamers have fundamentally different views towards game ownership, though this is thankfully improving
>more games than you think are 100% on disc/cart
>more games than you think with patches are still playable without them
>DLC is bonus content and not the main event
>even if the game is only partially on disc/cart it's still preferable than preserving none of it

>>715558143
>Keycards are why you can't mod console games
Most tech literate PC vegan.

>>715555725 (OP)
>Pay for physical media that supposedly should last forever
>Once nintendo shuts down the eshop it becomes a expensive paperweight
I really don't understand the issue whatsoever, it really escapes my mind completely...

>>715563026
>Pay for physical media
Keycards are digital media

>>715563026
Brainded tendies like you literally don't even understand the problem cause you fags are so retarded

>>715563226
>Keycards are digital media
It's literally a physical object.

>>715563297
>No refutal
Concession accepted rajeesh

>>715563741
>It's literally a physical object.
Correct, it's a physical object representing a digital game. Do you think a piece of paper containing a key code is a physical game?

>>715562871
Can you not be retarded for 3 seconds.

>>715563889
If that piece of paper can be sold and traded like keycards can, yes

>>715563889
Anon, the point is that no one wants a fucking card that's useless without internet

>>715555725 (OP)
if i wanted a digital copy i would buy a digital copy, i have issues with games not playable without a day 1 patch too.

i buy digital on sale only, the solution wasn't to slowly enshitification physical to the point there was nothing good left.

i'll stop buying entirely and just pirate everything if it gets bad enough.

>>715564029
You first, PC vegan.

>>715563741
>It's literally a physical object.
That does literally nothing without an internet connection.