Thread 715555970

>Racism exists (between Artificial Intelligence and Organics)
>Solve it with diversity and total mingling
>Ignore all the drawbacks
I understand why a Canadian game dev thought this would be the "best" ending.

you weren't even born when the game came out. nobody gave 2 shits about your whiny ass pol whining that you do now.

>>715555970 (OP)
>I understand why a Canadian game dev thought this would be the "best" ending.
the secret best ending is siding with the geth over the quarians and then picking the destroy ending

>>715556170
I was 18 years when I played it and formed my own thoughts on it.

>>715555970 (OP)
Green ending is infecting the galaxy with space aids to force everyone to believe the same thing

>>715556502
Anyone who legitimately sees Synthesis as a good thing automatically outs themselves as being objectively worst than any tyrant in history. At least Hitler didn't want to erase free will or whatever.

>>715556624
If the Jews only got brainwashed into becoming pro-white supremacy when he gassed them that would be Synthesis.
I think we wouldn't have been raised on "Hitler BAD" nearly as much if that was the case.

>>715555970 (OP)
>Choose synthesis
>Implies Saren was right, but couldn't complete it like Shephard can
>Choose control
>Implies IM was right, but couldn't complete it like Shephard can
>Choose destroy
>Do what you were planning all along, what Anderson fought and died for, that the dumbfuck space child tries to convince you isn't a viable option
wow what choices
Captcha: OPSAD

>>715556874
>Choose Destroy
>Implies Shepard wanted to destroy all Synthetics all along, despite picking paragon choices since ME1 calling out Quarians for being the aggressors since Synthetic Life is valid and has their own rights.
Destroy isn't as heroic as chud-effect players think it is.

>>715555970 (OP)
I'm not murdering the edi or the geth, sorry

>>715557103
You can sympathize with synthetic life and still choose to save organic life at the cost of synthetic life.
I like animals, but I'd choose to save a human over them most of the time

I don't really understand how the leviathans are afraid of the reapers when they killed one just by thinking really hard

>>715555970 (OP)
Deus Ex did the same

>>715557103
Oh no, Joker loses his sexbot. What a fucking tragedy.
Having to start again with building robots is a ridiculously small price to pay.

I replayed the trilogy recently and betrayed Wrex in ME3. Figured he would never know. He found out and I was really blindsided by the whole thing. I haven't been surprised by a videogame in a long time.

>>715557458
You only human sacrifice JC, the protagonist himself, in Deus Ex, not both your friend and an entire race

>>715557371
Because there was like thousands of them. By the time it took them to think really hard to kill one, the others would kill them.

>>715557576
Wrex is probably the fucking smartest Krogan you meet in the entire series. Despite being apart of the dipshit retard lizard race he is clearly very perspective. He is hundreds of years old, so it makes sense that he can catch onto stuff.

>>715555970 (OP)
They don't though, the only good ending is Destroy, because you hear Shepard take a breath afterwards. Both of the other endings are Reapers winning via mindfuck.

>>715557576
Tricking Wrex's replacement is the coolest renegade thing in the all three games. if you are squeamish to kill wrex in an earlier game to see it you can just never recruit him in ME1

>>715557576
Remember how happy he was to see you in me2, how dare you honestly

>>715555970 (OP)
What are the drawbacks? From the information presented in the game, it seemed like the option that worked out best for everyone.

All the endings are retarded
ME3 is retarded

>>715557721
>Both of the other endings are Reapers winning via mindfuck
Even if I didn't consider this canon (which I do, Control and Synthesis is clearly drinking Reaper kool aid), it just makes more sense thematically and morally to do Destroy.

>>715558078
I don't really like to rationalize murdering Edi and the geth

>>715555970 (OP)
>drawbacks
What drawbacks?

>>715555970 (OP)
someone post that wall of text that thoroughly lines out why synthesis is utter retardation

>>715558228
Edi would sacrifice herself in a heartbeat (motherboard beat?) to protect Joker and the rest of organic life. The Geth that aren't retarded would probably prefer non-existence to being subsumed into the Reapers.
They will be missed.

>>715556624
Same with the Helios ending in Deus Ex Invisible War.
Many people who style themselves as center left or moderate left lean hard into extreme authoritarianism and subsuming the individual to the collective when presented an easy path to it.

>>715558414
Forcing the galaxy into a hive mind is evil and gay.

>>715555970 (OP)
Is this fan fiction? There was only one Mass Effext game.

>>715558524
nobody picks helios in IW though
I know in DE original I did helios just with the thought that the human race got way too close to having bob page as god and I don't want to roll the dice on that again with tracer

>>715558745
Helios was always an inhuman psychopath, half of its programming is derived from Icarus.

>>715558541
Wait was it hivemind ending and not just cybertrans human technological singularity? I don't remember the context.

>>715555970 (OP)
>all the drawbacks
What are the drawbacks? List them.

>>715558931
synthesis just gives everyone a retarded glowing PCB texture on their skin as far as the game cared to say

>>715555970 (OP)
Not Communism. True Communism: No state, no ruler, no class, no currency, just survival by absolutely any means necessary. So, basically like how the Imperium of Mankind is like in WH40K, but even more extreme, 99.99% of humanity would be connected to some manner of machinery, and the 0.001%, don't even realize that they're members of the species Homo sapiens. Assuming of course, that the amount of humans was in the numbers of tresvigintillion, or something near that.

Basically hell times infinity.

Oh look tourists.
>Green ending is best
If you're sticking to the original or Extended Cut (as in, not custom mods) Sythesis is the best because its the only thing that fixes the Reaper problem and doesn't depend entirely on the will of one guy (Control) or basically kicks the can down the road in the hopes it never happens again (Destroy). You just spent ME3 (and before that in fact but definitely ME3) where the "hard, correct endings" to things were figuring out ways for people to coexist and not make the mistakes of the past. The idea that the end would not be in line with that, especially once you know how the whole thing started with Leviathan, you heard from Javik how the Protheans basically failed, etc. is silly.

I admit it would have been nice if there were more indoctrination options or if there had been an option like the custom MEHEM/JAM ending where synthetics are spared, but of the base ending Synthesis makes the most sense and improves prretty much everyone

>>715558931
Its basically connects all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy (without consent) into a singularity.
Doesn't really matter how retarded Synthesis or Control really is, since they are obviously non-canon and only existed to give the players the illusion of choice. Destroy the only ending the makes sense thematically.

>>715558931
NTA, but I don't think it was explicitly a hivemind ending, but there may be some subtle mind control going on, the people in the ending scene were way too happy for people who got cyberraped and turned into transhumans against their will.

>>715558541
They never once even implied that it was a hivemind. You're making shit up.

>>715559083
Fuck off, retarded authoritarian faggot. No one is going to read your mind gymnastics.

>>715559113
>murdering Edi and the geth canon
nope

>>715555970 (OP)
Control is the only ethical ending.
Synthesis installs nanoaugmentation into all life in the galaxy without consent.
Destroy also kills the innocent AIs such as the Geth and EDI.

>>715559205
He's right, you fucking fool.

>>715559152
>t. didn't play the game
Yeah, because everyone just decides to play faux-utopia together by their own free will.
Retard.

>>715559252
Yeah but the story itself signals a billion times that it's bad bad bad so it doesn't work narratively

>>715559113
>Singularity
You don't seem to see that in the closing bits. Its more like...giving everyone a wifi connection to the Internet, but you can still choose to browse it or not. There's no suggestion that everyone is simply a hivemind. Atop that you get basically all the NANOBOTS REGENERATION KOJIMAWANK improvements, while the synthetics get the best of biologics too.

>>715559307
This wall of text is the most clear cut proof that Synthesis fags are morally reprehensible dipshits.

>>715555970 (OP)
My one playthrough I did synthesis ending because it felt like the intended ending to best fulfill their joker/edi Adam/Eve metaphor they were going for

>>715558228
>>715558469
I've come to believe that "killing reapers kills geth/edi" is another reaper tactic.

>>715559252
Shepard (or at least a digital copy of Shepard's brain) becoming the Reapers is beyond fucking retarded and makes no sense in the slightest.

>>715559125
They might have been happy because the galactic extinction event that they were hopelessly fighting against was suddenly ended. I'll take becoming a cyborg over being turned into nutrient slurry by the reapers.

>>715559431
That wall of garbage is stupidly arguing against Synthesis and badly at that.

>>715559353
*like destroy niggas have a billion arguments about synthesis and never say shit about control. they don't have to because everyone knows the story is signalling control bad

well to me murdering edi and the geth is just as much a signal that you're not supposed to pick destroy either because stories don't end that way where you murder your friend and comrade and helpless innocents

so I picked synthesis even though it's both vague and retarded

>>715559514
if they can fake that much why do they let you defeat their fleet by shooting a red thing? if you reject the conceit that the space kid is actually communicating with you there's no reason for any of it to matter

>>715559552
You might, but you can't speak for the entire galaxy.

From this thread, I've concluded that synthesis is actually the best ending. Control only works if you can trust Shepherd to do the job forever and just hope that he never goes insane, and destroy just kicks the problem down the road and kills the robot friends I made. There's no downside to synthesis besides 'muh consent'. Oh well. You can be mad about it for the rest of your long lives now that I've saved you from the Reapers.

>>715559894
>'muh consent'
kill yourself rapist

>>715559990
Killing is bad.

>>715557721
Shepard is the bad guy though, humanity is a plague that left unchecked by the Reapers will destroy the entire universe. Imagine a ghrams number of street shitters and joggers flooding every single planet and asteroid. I can't think of a worse fate.

>>715560034
not always

>>715555970 (OP)
Reminder that the Shepard Lives ending requires a higher score than Synthesis, ergo it is the best ending, and also the true ending.

I have feeling Elden Ring endings are less vague than ME3 endings

>>715559894
Right, and the fact you CAN be mad about it proves you're not part of a hivemind or whatever the fuck else. This is akin to
>My town is going to install municipal broadband and free solar energy to every house
and there's some faggot , who doesn't have to use either if he really doesn't want, is somehow upset that he's getting zero electric bill and 2Gb broadband included , sperging out that he wanted to shovel coal into a boiler and the dang gubbermint didn't ask him before putting fiber to the perimeter.

>>715559740
Thats assuming synthetic life is equal to organic life. Which I don't

>>715559206
>murdering Edi and the geth canon
yep

>>715559051
That's called Anarchy you Ashley-fucking numbskull.

>>715559990
I'm already dead in that ending, bruh. You'll just have to swallow your impotent rage.

>>715560301
that's the right rationale to argue for destroy, not the ACKSHUALLY THE OTHER CHOICES ARE BUT ILLUSIONS cope

>>715560301
In which case you kind of should like the endings because they suppose you didn't already conclude earlier in the narrative that Synthetics and Organics get along just fine.

>>715560301
and you see how that viewpoint basically got the Quarians turned into space gypsies without a planet for ages because they couldn't embrace hard AI when it appeared and basically asked them to coexist. There's nothing to suggest that biological life is superior vs "true" AI and in fact, a lot to the contrary in that its a lot easier for the latter to be "durable", upgraded etc.

>>715555970 (OP)
The best/true ending is to shoot the ghost kid and have everyone die from the reapers. As much as everyone doesn't want to admit it the reapers are right. The cycle has to continue kek.

>>715559252
Nothing ethical about letting a roving gang of murderous machines keep doing what they've always done.

>>715556624
>At least Hitler didn't want to erase free will or whatever.
Free will. Pitiful humans! War, segregation, hatred! Is that what you've done with your free will boy? Don't you lecture me with your thirty dollar haircut!

>>715555970 (OP)
>Solve it with diversity and total mingling
but then it would be the capitalist ending, melting pot USA style

>>715559552
>They might have been happy because the galactic extinction event that they were hopelessly fighting against was suddenly ended
It wasn't though. The extinction event won.

>>715559740
EDI and the geth made it clear that extinction is preferable to submission. And yet you force them into submission to some malfunctioning VI.

>>715556874
>>715557103
It isn't, but it lines up with what Shepard has been doing the whole series. Whatever it takes to stop the threat. It really matches up with Arrival, showing how Shepard views the trolley problem.

>>715560784
shoot the kid then

>>715557103
>>Implies Shepard wanted to destroy all Synthetics all along
No it doesn't.

>>715560841
Sorry, not a communist.

>>715560950
NATO is communist??

>>715556426
spbp /thread
vote terra firma

>>715560701
If that were true, there would be nobody around to feel anything. Unless you're going by the flimsy definition that nobody is the same species anymore, therefore, they've gone extinct. In which case, oh well. Nobody seems all that upset about it.

This is an alien kitchen designed by one of the oldest races in the galaxy.

>>715561170
>If that were true, there would be nobody around to feel anything
Incorrect assumption, leading to incorrect conclusion. The extinction event achieves its goal by turning everything into Reaper tech, forever. No hope of it ever getting fixed in sight. Unless those retards in Andromeda somehow figure out their home galaxy got reaperfied.

>>715561328
You've yet to point out the downside of any of this. Is there anything from the synthesis ending that suggests a downside, besides the fact that Shepherd dies?

>>715556170
it's exactly how i felt about the green ending
you're forcibly turning every organic in the galaxy into a cyborg, with massive ramifications that the game can't even be bothered to get into, all in the name of some last minute bullshit kumbaya let's all learn to get along message

it's like one of those liberal wet dreams where they think all the world's problems would be solved if all conservatives were rounded up and sent into a brainwash machine

>>715556624
>At least Hitler didn't want to erase free will or whatever.
das rite, Hitler wanted to breed jewish genes into german genes to create a mixed master rat race.
This later gave inspiration to Biker Mice from Mars

>>715561713
That tends to be what conservatives think about liberals as well, except they'd lean more towards killing them. You are not immune to propaganda.

>>715560637
Humans are a roving gang of murderous organic machines. At least the reapers do it for a good reason. Humans are infinitely cruel for no reason at all.

>>715559252
>Destroy also kills the innocent AIs such as the Geth and EDI.
who cares they cant complain if theyre dead

>>715561713
> last minute bullshit kumbaya let's all learn to get along
This is my main gripe. Its such a cop-out ending. You build up all this momentum throughout the series and get a everyone is equal and happy! option. Like a magic wand happy ending.

>>715560670
It would kind of be funny if there was an alternative ending where the Reapers, instead of deciding they had to defeat organics to keep them from deleting synthetics just basically ran
>The Sneeches
idpol grift on them.
>Reaper 1
>I name you, Biologics with Stars, the superior biologics our giant robot mind have decided are better than those without. Those without CAN get a star if they Ascend...which uh..costs resources. Computing resources that is. Come to a local Star Center when you have enough computing resources and you'll be made this best cadre of biological life
>Reaper 2
>Hey, you know.. I think you humans without Stars are getting kind of a raw deal. I mean, you're not REALLY and worse than those who get the benefits of Stars. Look, one of you guys have created the No Star Revolutionaries and have even gotten some with Stars to go against other Star havers arguing that No Stars are truly important. Look, if you sneak me some computing resources, I will actually take Stars OFF people who have them so they won't appear to be outsiders in your movement. Good luck , you're clearly the more moral and virtuous humans
>Reaper 1 and 2, pushing a cosmic wheelbarrow full of tech resources back to ReaperHQ, plugging them into create more reapers.
>Reaper 3
You didn't need to spend time obliterating any of them this time?
>1 and 2
Oh no, we found something MUCH more lucrative...

>>715556624
nothing in that ending that applies to losing free will ! so your making shit up in your head and that is why you hate that ending ?

>>715555970 (OP)
It all makes sense in the Indoctrination Theory.

>>715555970 (OP)
None of that matters, what was the Reapers plan for dealing with universal entropy?

>>715562126
>>715561713
But none of this was the case. its odd how people argue both
>They're being turned into brainwashed idiots
and then turn around and go
>oh being green and glowing with tech doesn't mean theyll stop being shitty to each other and solve everything!
It can't work both ways -either they're brainwashed hiveminds (unlikely, given thats what the original reaper indoctrination did) or they have their own sapience and just happen to have tech upgrades.
>but they shouldn't just transform everyone hurrrr
This is a galaxy ending threat. Its possible all biological life in the galaxy will be destroyed . That is what this is weighed against. The other options are
>destroy all tech including sapient true AI who have been wiling to coexist equally with biological life, in order to kick the can down the road and hope things don't repeat the next time synthetic life arises and questions being shackled. Not to mention lose a lot of technical benefits in the interim that causes biologics to be at each others throats
>Trust that one heroic guy will give up his humanity to control what is for the moment, the top synthetic life. Trust he'll be good forever. Meanwhile, worry that biological life and synthetic life alike may eventually fear or fight back against Shep's reapers, not to mention t hey could independently decide to fight each other again and the whole thing goes to hell. Note that the narration also changes iin Control depending on if Shep was full Paragon, Neutral, or Renegade as well as Readiness Score, so you can only even KIND OF have faith that Paragon Max Score Control MIGHT be a good ending for now..all the others are far more...questionable.
> Synthesis basically fixes the core issue of the cycles to begin with, maintains both organics and synthetics by giving each the benefits of the other. There's no brainwashing, you simply have upgrades you didn't have before.
Out of room, but the last one seems best for now and future

>>715555970 (OP)
>I understand why a Canadian game dev thought this would be the "best" ending.
What implied they thought this was the best ending? Would it not be the Destroy ending with high enough military score to get the scene of Shepard drawing a breath? Your thread sucks.

>>715563330
In a universe where Eezo exists, Dark Energy etc... there may be ways to deal with that shit...IF people last long enough

>>715563347
> its odd how people argue both...
The answer is
you are talking to different people

>>715563586
Well yes in this thread, but looking at the schizopost in the pic at >>715559307 the same author makes both arguments about people not wanting to be friends even though they're glowing etc.. and then talks about it all being docile mind control chips

>>715560038
Shut the FUCK UP, Harbinger.

Whats the objective best ending? I am
ASSUMING CONTROL

>>715564504
This hurts you.

>>715564504
His end almost makes me fee bad for him.

>>715566467
He absolutely deserved every attosecond of agony.

>>715555970 (OP)
I don't even get what the implications of that are. Are all the organic races now half-machine, and thus now effectively immortal, immune to all disease, and no longer require food/water/oxygen/etc? Did aging stop, so everyone who was a child when the Crucible was activated is going to be a child for the rest of eternity? Can people still reproduce? Did the Geth and Reapers also become half-organic? What would the advantage of that be?

Ignore Synthesis because it's creepy and makes no sense, do Destroy if you want a definitive ending, and Control if you want to set it up for a sequel.

>>715567365
Congratulations, you've now thought more about this than the entire writing team at BioWare did in the literal years they had developing the final entry.

>>715566467
He was basically a mindless drone by that point anyway, just existing to follow orders. I forget who says it, but any consciousness or will the Protheans had faded away thousands of years ago. Maybe it was Javik.